Buy the DIP, and HODL!

[Loyang]

With bitcoin, you have one of the best, if not the best, of assets available to you, and you want to fuck around trying to trade it rather than accumulate it?

You also want to suggest that there is some prudence in trading when more likely ar0und 95% or more of traders are either losing money orfailing to outperform simply buying and accumulating bitcoin, especially if we are talking a couple of cycles or more.

How many traders could have had beat a bitcoin accumulation strategy if the timeline is longer than 8 years?

You act as if it is possible to get better at your trading, and sure that is probably true that folks can spend time trading and they can get better, yet it is still likely not very common for anyone to actually be able to beat bitcoin in a timeline that is more than 8 years, so we should not be acting as if trading bitcoin is either normal or something that should be attempted - except maybe with less than 10% of the size of the bitcoin holdings for those folks who are so degenerate that they cannot resist trading (gambling) with their bitcoin, so if they could at least limit their exposure to trading to less than 10% the size of their bitcoin holdings, then at least they would limit their losses, yet part of the problem with trading/gambling is that there difficulties in controlling the devolution and temptations to add more and more and more until they end up losing all of their money when they otherwise could have had a good investment into bitcoin..

By the way CryptoPanda, this is not even a trading thread, even though there is "buy the dip" in the title.

You have been registered on the forum since November 2012.  Holy shit.  You still are fucking around with trading or believing in trading likely shows that you have not learned any lessons in the past 13-ish years... You could be rich as fuck right now even if you had ONLY invested a relative small amount into bitcoin over the past 13 years and if you had not fucked around with trading.. yet I bet your own holdings are not even close to being competitive with a basic buy and hold strategy.. Yet, what?  you think that the future for trading in bitcoin is going to be better than its past?  I will grant you that it is likely that bitcoin is not going to appreciate as much as it had been in the last 13 years, so the price dynamics in bitcoin are likely going to be less steep to the upside as they had been in the past 13 years.

People should really know better than to keep fucking around with trading bitcoin. Trading Bitcoin is like gambling with your money and that's total bullshit, and people should always stay the hell away from it. Some traders will always want to think that they are different simply because of a few wins but yet their story always end up like the others. Really let's traders stop with the pretense, Trading is mentally exhausting, stressful but yet can never still be better than holding. Holding Bitcoin always beats trading anyday and anytime.

That is it, I will not even lie... People that use to trade Bitcoin they’re just gambling and calling it a skill.. When they first start winning, they feel they are smart, then one wrong prediction, they will wipe off everything and that is normally how the story ends..  This do happen many times…

I know a lot of us here us to see screenshots of trading out there, and how it looks good, but the stress behind it is crazy…. They will be always watching charts, always guessing and all of that… it is just too draining…

It is true that trading is very risky. But yes, trading is not for everyone, you can also make money by trading, but many people cannot profit from trading due to the lack of proper knowledge and patience of a person. It takes a lot of time to learn trading and it requires a lot of money to trade and trading becomes very stressful for a person. But yes, a person who can learn 80% of trading and if he can control his greed and can trade within a rule, then he can profit from trading. But among those who trade, almost all people start trading without learning trading well and they trade without following the rules, due to which they lose their money. Every thing has a rule and needs education, if a person does every method within the rules, then he may profit.

But yes, compared to trading, the risk in investing is much less and investing is much better than trading and the human pressure is much less. Investing is much better than trading in all aspects. For example, it takes a long time to learn trading and during that time an investor can reach many of his portfolio goals. If a person continues to buy consistently, he may be able to profit more from a successful trade when he reaches his portfolio goals and when his investment period is over. Therefore, a person should never step into trading and should always focus on investing, it will be much better for them.

[Abelly]

With bitcoin, you have one of the best, if not the best, of assets available to you, and you want to fuck around trying to trade it rather than accumulate it?

You also want to suggest that there is some prudence in trading when more likely ar0und 95% or more of traders are either losing money orfailing to outperform simply buying and accumulating bitcoin, especially if we are talking a couple of cycles or more.

How many traders could have had beat a bitcoin accumulation strategy if the timeline is longer than 8 years?

You act as if it is possible to get better at your trading, and sure that is probably true that folks can spend time trading and they can get better, yet it is still likely not very common for anyone to actually be able to beat bitcoin in a timeline that is more than 8 years, so we should not be acting as if trading bitcoin is either normal or something that should be attempted - except maybe with less than 10% of the size of the bitcoin holdings for those folks who are so degenerate that they cannot resist trading (gambling) with their bitcoin, so if they could at least limit their exposure to trading to less than 10% the size of their bitcoin holdings, then at least they would limit their losses, yet part of the problem with trading/gambling is that there difficulties in controlling the devolution and temptations to add more and more and more until they end up losing all of their money when they otherwise could have had a good investment into bitcoin..

By the way CryptoPanda, this is not even a trading thread, even though there is "buy the dip" in the title.

You have been registered on the forum since November 2012.  Holy shit.  You still are fucking around with trading or believing in trading likely shows that you have not learned any lessons in the past 13-ish years... You could be rich as fuck right now even if you had ONLY invested a relative small amount into bitcoin over the past 13 years and if you had not fucked around with trading.. yet I bet your own holdings are not even close to being competitive with a basic buy and hold strategy.. Yet, what?  you think that the future for trading in bitcoin is going to be better than its past?  I will grant you that it is likely that bitcoin is not going to appreciate as much as it had been in the last 13 years, so the price dynamics in bitcoin are likely going to be less steep to the upside as they had been in the past 13 years.

People should really know better than to keep fucking around with trading bitcoin. Trading Bitcoin is like gambling with your money and that's total bullshit, and people should always stay the hell away from it. Some traders will always want to think that they are different simply because of a few wins but yet their story always end up like the others. Really let's traders stop with the pretense, Trading is mentally exhausting, stressful but yet can never still be better than holding. Holding Bitcoin always beats trading anyday and anytime.

I so much believe that those investors that is still having the mindset of trading are the gamblers when it comes to Bitcoin investments and which it very difficult for them to remove their mind from gambling because the eager of quick money has been their mindset all this while and i don't know why they are still gambling even when they know the risks associated with Bitcoin trading, i will advise any newbies to avoid trading and focus on buying and hold with your discretionary income.

Yeah, some new investors fall into gambling habits when they try to trade Bitcoin without knowledge or discipline.
But it’s also important to note that trading itself isn’t gambling by nature; it’s the trader’s mindset that makes the difference. A professional trader follows clear strategies, risk management, and patience and it's very different from someone chasing quick profits.
For most beginners, however, long-term investing and DCA remain the safest way to grow with Bitcoin. Once you’ve built enough understanding and emotional control.

A trader Always has the right thinking plan, management and patience are important, they do not chase profits, they consider the momentum first, and on the other hand, beginners want to make more money in shortcuts, this is the biggest problem, this is why long-term investment in trading is the most for new users, and Dca is more secure, the impact of market fluctuations is reduced and the mental stress is less, only then should you think about trading, before that, seeing Bitcoin as a long-term asset and being patient is the best way.

[Jaksonhard]

The safest method to make money for beginners in this digital space is through Bitcoin investment, am not saying that it's risk free, what am trying to say is that the risk attached to investing in Bitcoin is nothing when compared to trading that even professionals still lose money, since no one can consistently predict the next move of Bitcoin price, unlike investment where you just have to buy and accumulate, and if you are informed enough to put down emergency and reserve funds in place to safeguard your Bitcoin investment, the probability of your investment being a success is very high if you can hold for 10 years or more, not trading that you can make like $50k in a week or monthly and use a single trade or day to lose everything if proper risk management strategy is not utilized.
 

This is a suggested approach to investing for someone who is new to digital asset investment. Investing in Bitcoin is generally considered a lower-risk option than actively trading, which is often difficult even for those with substantial experience. Trading involves making predictions about Bitcoin prices over short timeframes, which is impossible to do consistently with any level of accuracy. A single poor trade (without implementing the risk management strategies which were discussed earlier) could potentially erase many months of profit accumulation, or even years of profits, that an investor has made. Investing in Bitcoin over the long term is much easier and less stressful. The strategy of purchasing and storing Bitcoin includes the maintenance of a cash reserve and an emergency fund, therefore minimizing emotional decisions and unnecessary risk. The potential for long-term success is considerably increased if an investor has the ability to hold their Bitcoin for 10 years or more, rather than relying upon short-term trading strategies for profit.

[KeenanEl19]

Well, anyone can do what they like with their income, but trading is highly risky and should be avoided. Investing in Bitcoin is more better and peaceful compared to trading since Bitcoin investment gives you enough time to focus on other of your activities or business perfectly well without pressure of reading charts always, eyes glued to the screen monitoring market movement and so on

Of course, we are free to do whatever we want with our own money, including trading or investing in BTC for the long term. Trading is indeed much riskier than investing because investing is easier to do—we just buy BTC and hold it for the long term. Trading, on the other hand, requires constant monitoring of the market, which can be exhausting and sometimes interfere with our real-world activities. So, yes, it's true that for convenience, investing in BTC for the long term is the most comfortable option.

Lately, I’ve been hearing a lot about people losing money through trading, but I’ve never heard of anyone losing money through long-term BTC investment. Have you ever heard of someone losing money through long-term BTC investment? This certainly indicates that long-term BTC investment is the best option compared to trading. But of course, everyone has their own rights to choose whatever they want.

It is a well known fact that investing in Bitcoin is safer than trading. So instead of dreaming of getting rich overnight through trading, it is better to start investing in Bitcoin with small amounts and build your investment capacity. People learn best through experience, but when you learn trading, you have to lose, but when you learn investing in Bitcoin, there is no chance of losing, especially if you invest for the long term. Since everyone has a different risk taking capacity, start small, learn, build your confidence, and then gradually increase your investment if you want.

Yes, that's true. Comparing trading and investing in Bitcoin, Bitcoin is certainly safer. I have a friend who works in a modern department store, and he has a habit of trading, and it's good that he wants to deepen his knowledge. However, he was quite bold in doing so. Despite his minimal market knowledge, he frequently lost large sums of money overnight. It's no wonder he started the conversation complaining.

I suggested he try investing in Bitcoin using the same strategy as me, making a purchase every week. Perhaps he thought trading had the potential to generate faster profits, so he chose trading.

[letteredhub]

Yeah, some new investors fall into gambling habits when they try to trade Bitcoin without knowledge or discipline.
But it’s also important to note that trading itself isn’t gambling by nature; it’s the trader’s mindset that makes the difference. A professional trader follows clear strategies, risk management, and patience and it's very different from someone chasing quick profits.
For most beginners, however, long-term investing and DCA remain the safest way to grow with Bitcoin. Once you’ve built enough understanding and emotional control.

Gambling and trading may not be in same class but they're both geared at making quick profit, profit in a short time. Professional traders or whatever you call them, everyone trading is after a short term profit because unlike long term investment in bitcoin, trading promises quick profit which can lead to chasing of  profit or losses just as gamblers do.  To make a guarantee profit with bitcoin is to invest for the long term 6-10 years thereabouts and you must be consistent and aggressive with your DCA strategy in accumulating a good stash of bitcoin in portfolio..

[Tamaperdana]

A trader Always has the right thinking plan, management and patience are important, they do not chase profits, they consider the momentum first, and on the other hand, beginners want to make more money in shortcuts, this is the biggest problem, this is why long-term investment in trading is the most for new users, and Dca is more secure, the impact of market fluctuations is reduced and the mental stress is less, only then should you think about trading, before that, seeing Bitcoin as a long-term asset and being patient is the best way.

I feel like you're saying that trading is okay as long as you can control your emotions and manage risk well, but I don't think that's really the case. Because believe me, trading is not something that can be done easily. Because basically, the risks are very high. Because I also tried trading for a while, and even though I learned a lot, I still couldn't do anything. That's why I've come to the conclusion that investing in Bitcoin is far better and safer. Because I've experienced it myself, trading is not an easy thing to do. So rather than letting ourselves and our money fall into a high-risk abyss, it's better to just invest in Bitcoin. Because when you invest in Bitcoin, it certainly won't interfere with your work in the real world. Therefore, I believe we should not make the wrong move, because if we make even one wrong move, believe me, it will shatter your mentality.

[Hardyrobust]

A trader Always has the right thinking plan, management and patience are important, they do not chase profits, they consider the momentum first, and on the other hand, beginners want to make more money in shortcuts, this is the biggest problem, this is why long-term investment in trading is the most for new users, and Dca is more secure, the impact of market fluctuations is reduced and the mental stress is less, only then should you think about trading, before that, seeing Bitcoin as a long-term asset and being patient is the best way.

I feel like you're saying that trading is okay as long as you can control your emotions and manage risk well, but I don't think that's really the case. Because believe me, trading is not something that can be done easily. Because basically, the risks are very high. Because I also tried trading for a while, and even though I learned a lot, I still couldn't do anything. That's why I've come to the conclusion that investing in Bitcoin is far better and safer. Because I've experienced it myself, trading is not an easy thing to do. So rather than letting ourselves and our money fall into a high-risk abyss, it's better to just invest in Bitcoin. Because when you invest in Bitcoin, it certainly won't interfere with your work in the real world. Therefore, I believe we should not make the wrong move, because if we make even one wrong move, believe me, it will shatter your mentality.

The mindset behind trading is very wrong , thinking of making quick profit without paying attention to what bitcoin is and what it offers in the long run. There are many technicalities involved in trading there by making trading to be very difficult and considering the nature of bitcoin trading is very risky.Therefore considering long term investment will be more profitable than trading bitcoin.
The best way to avoid emotional stress that comes with trading is to use a little percentage of discretionary income for trading the rest can go into investing in bitcoin. This is for those that can't control themselves over trading.

[Merit.s]

The mindset behind trading is very wrong , thinking of making quick profit without paying attention to what bitcoin is and what it offers in the long run. There are many technicalities involved in trading there by making trading to be very difficult and considering the nature of bitcoin trading is very risky.Therefore considering long term investment will be more profitable than trading bitcoin.
The best way to avoid emotional stress that comes with trading is to use a little percentage of discretionary income for trading the rest can go into investing in bitcoin. This is for those that can't control themselves over trading.

When you're trading, it means that you are gambling because bitcoin price movement is unpredictable. Majority of people jump into trading and believe it's a get rich quick scheme but it's the opposite. A trader will run at loss in the long run while a long-term investor will increase his bitcoin portfolio overtime and generate more profits due to the compounding value of his bitcoin stash.

New investors should start their bitcoin journey by investing in a long-term and build their bitcoin portfolio with DCA for 4-10 years and above consistently and persistently. Traders are short sighted people.

[liasbaa]

With bitcoin, you have one of the best, if not the best, of assets available to you, and you want to fuck around trying to trade it rather than accumulate it?

You also want to suggest that there is some prudence in trading when more likely ar0und 95% or more of traders are either losing money orfailing to outperform simply buying and accumulating bitcoin, especially if we are talking a couple of cycles or more.

How many traders could have had beat a bitcoin accumulation strategy if the timeline is longer than 8 years?

You act as if it is possible to get better at your trading, and sure that is probably true that folks can spend time trading and they can get better, yet it is still likely not very common for anyone to actually be able to beat bitcoin in a timeline that is more than 8 years, so we should not be acting as if trading bitcoin is either normal or something that should be attempted - except maybe with less than 10% of the size of the bitcoin holdings for those folks who are so degenerate that they cannot resist trading (gambling) with their bitcoin, so if they could at least limit their exposure to trading to less than 10% the size of their bitcoin holdings, then at least they would limit their losses, yet part of the problem with trading/gambling is that there difficulties in controlling the devolution and temptations to add more and more and more until they end up losing all of their money when they otherwise could have had a good investment into bitcoin..

By the way CryptoPanda, this is not even a trading thread, even though there is "buy the dip" in the title.

You have been registered on the forum since November 2012.  Holy shit.  You still are fucking around with trading or believing in trading likely shows that you have not learned any lessons in the past 13-ish years... You could be rich as fuck right now even if you had ONLY invested a relative small amount into bitcoin over the past 13 years and if you had not fucked around with trading.. yet I bet your own holdings are not even close to being competitive with a basic buy and hold strategy.. Yet, what?  you think that the future for trading in bitcoin is going to be better than its past?  I will grant you that it is likely that bitcoin is not going to appreciate as much as it had been in the last 13 years, so the price dynamics in bitcoin are likely going to be less steep to the upside as they had been in the past 13 years.

People should really know better than to keep fucking around with trading bitcoin. Trading Bitcoin is like gambling with your money and that's total bullshit, and people should always stay the hell away from it. Some traders will always want to think that they are different simply because of a few wins but yet their story always end up like the others. Really let's traders stop with the pretense, Trading is mentally exhausting, stressful but yet can never still be better than holding. Holding Bitcoin always beats trading anyday and anytime.

I so much believe that those investors that is still having the mindset of trading are the gamblers when it comes to Bitcoin investments and which it very difficult for them to remove their mind from gambling because the eager of quick money has been their mindset all this while and i don't know why they are still gambling even when they know the risks associated with Bitcoin trading, i will advise any newbies to avoid trading and focus on buying and hold with your discretionary income.

Yeah, some new investors fall into gambling habits when they try to trade Bitcoin without knowledge or discipline.
But it’s also important to note that trading itself isn’t gambling by nature; it’s the trader’s mindset that makes the difference. A professional trader follows clear strategies, risk management, and patience and it's very different from someone chasing quick profits.
For most beginners, however, long-term investing and DCA remain the safest way to grow with Bitcoin. Once you’ve built enough understanding and emotional control.

A trader Always has the right thinking plan, management and patience are important, they do not chase profits, they consider the momentum first, and on the other hand, beginners want to make more money in shortcuts, this is the biggest problem, this is why long-term investment in trading is the most for new users, and Dca is more secure, the impact of market fluctuations is reduced and the mental stress is less, only then should you think about trading, before that, seeing Bitcoin as a long-term asset and being patient is the best way.

Your idea is wrong. The main objective of a trader is to make more money in a short period of time. In most cases, they become greedy and lose control over themselves due to lack of experience. Due to this impatient mindset of new investors, they cannot survive in the market. In my opinion, those who are new to trading enter by imitating other successful traders but they forget that they need to understand the mood of the market and spend a lot of time acquiring knowledge for success. In trading you have to analysis the market regularly as a result attention is disturbed in performing professional duties and the source of income is negatively affected.

I am not saying that trading is not good for you. Short-term trading is always risky for any trader, experienced or inexperienced. Prepare yourself for long term investment and deposit Bitcoin through DCA strategy through discretionary income. Continuous DCA method of Bitcoin accumulation will teach you to practice patience in investing and make you focus on investing because this method will not stress you financially.

[Cgrexp]

This is a suggested approach to investing for someone who is new to digital asset investment. Investing in Bitcoin is generally considered a lower-risk option than actively trading, which is often difficult even for those with substantial experience. Trading involves making predictions about Bitcoin prices over short timeframes, which is impossible to do consistently with any level of accuracy. A single poor trade (without implementing the risk management strategies which were discussed earlier) could potentially erase many months of profit accumulation, or even years of profits, that an investor has made. Investing in Bitcoin over the long term is much easier and less stressful. The strategy of purchasing and storing Bitcoin includes the maintenance of a cash reserve and an emergency fund, therefore minimizing emotional decisions and unnecessary risk. The potential for long-term success is considerably increased if an investor has the ability to hold their Bitcoin for 10 years or more, rather than relying upon short-term trading strategies for profit.

Holding Bitcoin for four to ten years or more without selling or trading is important in investing. Some people sell for profit, while others buy for a few days and sell when they are profitable. A good habit for new investors is to continue buying every week regardless of the price, practice strong cash flow management, and reassess after investing consistently for a full cycle or longer. Buying consistently and setting a comfortable amount, such as $10-$100 on a weekly basis, helps establish a regular investment habit.

[Joy- maker]

It is true that trading is very risky. But yes, trading is not for everyone, you can also make money by trading, but many people cannot profit from trading due to the lack of proper knowledge and patience of a person. It takes a lot of time to learn trading and it requires a lot of money to trade and trading becomes very stressful for a person. But yes, a person who can learn 80% of trading and if he can control his greed and can trade within a rule, then he can profit from trading. But among those who trade, almost all people start trading without learning trading well and they trade without following the rules, due to which they lose their money. Every thing has a rule and needs education, if a person does every method within the rules, then he may profit.

But yes, compared to trading, the risk in investing is much less and investing is much better than trading and the human pressure is much less. Investing is much better than trading in all aspects. For example, it takes a long time to learn trading and during that time an investor can reach many of his portfolio goals. If a person continues to buy consistently, he may be able to profit more from a successful trade when he reaches his portfolio goals and when his investment period is over. Therefore, a person should never step into trading and should always focus on investing, it will be much better for them.

The last time I checked this thread is were we discuss about Bitcoin investment, Bitcoin accumulating strategy and anything related to bitcoin and not trading. So I don't know when this thread became a place to discuss about trading. But if you want to discuss about trading I believe there is a board for that and not here, so as for now you are the wrong place discussion about trading, that is very risky.
The only thing that impress me here is your second paragraph, at least the things you said over there make sense, because investing in bitcoin is less risky and more profitable compared to trading and that's the fact.

[Jostern]

Yeah, some new investors fall into gambling habits when they try to trade Bitcoin without knowledge or discipline.
But it’s also important to note that trading itself isn’t gambling by nature; it’s the trader’s mindset that makes the difference. A professional trader follows clear strategies, risk management, and patience and it's very different from someone chasing quick profits.
For most beginners, however, long-term investing and DCA remain the safest way to grow with Bitcoin. Once you’ve built enough understanding and emotional control.

Gambling and trading may not be in same class but they're both geared at making quick profit, profit in a short time. Professional traders or whatever you call them, everyone trading is after a short term profit because unlike long term investment in bitcoin, trading promises quick profit which can lead to chasing of  profit or losses just as gamblers do.  To make a guarantee profit with bitcoin is to invest for the long term 6-10 years thereabouts and you must be consistent and aggressive with your DCA strategy in accumulating a good stash of bitcoin in portfolio..

I think gambling is just the same thing as trading and gambling with Bitcoin, because in a situation like this you will have every tendency to lose opportunity and miss out on opportunities of buying and holding bitcoin for a long term period, most individuals feels that they are professionals trader whatever this people call themselves but that doesn’t change the fact that they are messing up while buying and trading bitcoin for quick profit instead of holding bitcoin for quite a very long time.

Well I think you should understand that profits isn’t guaranteed while investing in bitcoin which is why we should be more focused on investing in bitcoin on a regular basis, there is every opportunity that we might not even have enough profits if we invest for one circle, and most investors would have to plan for two circles then they can stand more opportunities of having profits, and some investors still hold bitcoin more than 10 years, and some as well have Bitcoin as a viable reserve.

[Sobz]

Yeah, some new investors fall into gambling habits when they try to trade Bitcoin without knowledge or discipline.
But it’s also important to note that trading itself isn’t gambling by nature; it’s the trader’s mindset that makes the difference. A professional trader follows clear strategies, risk management, and patience and it's very different from someone chasing quick profits.
For most beginners, however, long-term investing and DCA remain the safest way to grow with Bitcoin. Once you’ve built enough understanding and emotional control.

The problem with beginner investor they are more interested in making profits from Bitcoin,  they find learning uninteresting and boring that is why they invest in Bitcoin by predicting when to make profit from Bitcoin.  Since they dont have understanding of bitcoin they just buy bitcoin and using the gambling strategy of prediction of collecting profit in a specific time. Learning and understanding bitcoin investment it is clear that bitcoin cant be predicted and if you are buying just know it is a long-term investment and anything that is different from longterm just know it will be a difficult investment and end up to be a failed investment.

[Showlove01]

Yeah, some new investors fall into gambling habits when they try to trade Bitcoin without knowledge or discipline.
But it’s also important to note that trading itself isn’t gambling by nature; it’s the trader’s mindset that makes the difference. A professional trader follows clear strategies, risk management, and patience and it's very different from someone chasing quick profits.
For most beginners, however, long-term investing and DCA remain the safest way to grow with Bitcoin. Once you’ve built enough understanding and emotional control.

The problem with beginner investor they are more interested in making profits from Bitcoin,  they find learning uninteresting and boring that is why they invest in Bitcoin by predicting when to make profit from Bitcoin.  Since they dont have understanding of bitcoin they just buy bitcoin and using the gambling strategy of prediction of collecting profit in a specific time. Learning and understanding bitcoin investment it is clear that bitcoin cant be predicted and if you are buying just know it is a long-term investment and anything that is different from longterm just know it will be a difficult investment and end up to be a failed investment.

Any beginner that is more interested in how to make profit is not an investor rather a trader or someone who has oterior motive but still call herself or himself an investor. A beginner who actually is interested and genuinely want to invest in Bitcoin, will always invest without any motive other than to invest and hold for the long term because only then will they stand a chance to get something meaningful and reasonable because Bitcoin is not a get rich quick scheme and so any beginner having this motive you said will be messed up.

[Bigjoe33]

I am not saying that trading is not good for you.

No matter how we paint it or sugar cote it, trading is not good as it involves high level of risk and is not stable at all. Even though some traders might speak of there short time gains from trading, but bitcoin investment will always remain the best as it offers better financial profit if we are able to hold for long term like 4-10 years and above

[Brizi5000]

There is no need to try to talk nice about trading. It is a dumb thing to do - except maybe someone trying to learn trading and/or unable to control their inclinations to degenerately gamble, then maybe they could at least limit the size of their trading to be no more than 10% the size of their bitcoin investment.. without cheating.. Without taking more out of bitcoin to trade, so if they start out with 10% into trading, then every time they get paid and they allocate funds into bitcoin investment, they can take 10% of that to put into their trading funds.

Yeah, they are quite likely to lose money on their trading funds, especially after a couple of cycles, yet if they are able to control themselves they can measure and find out if they are even able to keep up their trading for 8 years.. and you never know... Maybe they might have figured out some system to not lose money relative to their investment holdings.

I agree with you that trading is really a dumb thing to do as far as bitcoin investment is concerned, anyone trading his bitcoin for quick profit is losing a lot, because in the future they will be the one regretting and saying had i know. look at examples of those who invested in bitcoin some years back, lets say 7 or 6 years ago and were able to hold it till this present time, and those who bought same years but couldn't hold themselves and they sell immediately for quick profit, you will see that those who were able to accumulate consistently and hold till now are probably having the last laugh, while those who couldn't remain consistent in accumulating and hold but decided to sell for quick profit are regretting their actions now.
And for all i know the only system they will want to figure out in order not to lose money is waiting for the dip to occur before they can buy bitcoin so that they will now sell immediately when they notice a quick rise in price which is also the dumbest thing to do  because they will be waiting for the dip which might not even occur and they will miss out on several opportunities to add enough bitcoin stash to their portfolio, and some will even end up spending the money on something else  because the dip have refused to come after waiting for so long which can cause them to abandon bitcoin investment totally.

[Rockson1]

The safest method to make money for beginners in this digital space is through Bitcoin investment, am not saying that it's risk free, what am trying to say is that the risk attached to investing in Bitcoin is nothing when compared to trading that even professionals still lose money, since no one can consistently predict the next move of Bitcoin price, unlike investment where you just have to buy and accumulate, and if you are informed enough to put down emergency and reserve funds in place to safeguard your Bitcoin investment, the probability of your investment being a success is very high if you can hold for 10 years or more, not trading that you can make like $50k in a week or monthly and use a single trade or day to lose everything if proper risk management strategy is not utilized.

You are very correct and that is if they can be patient enough to wait for the investment to ripe, the problem many newbies or beginners as you call them encounters is, many of them are not ready to follow things gradually, they are too inquisitive to make quick money, that is why they easily get into traps like trading, one will say I dislike trading yes, I do not like it and I will never advice anyone that I know to go into it because it will look like am deceving the person which in real sense is true, I have heard that trading is people's business but don't we think those fronting those skill and saying some bullshit about signals might have other things that brings money to their table and may be decide to front trading for reason best known to them.
Anyone comparing Bitcoin investment for a long-term to trading, is doing that at his detriment, when we talk about digital asset or digital currency space, Bitcoin is the father, the mother and even the children, so no shit or aspect in this space will be compared with Bitcoin investment.

Bitcoin investment is all about planing, we start by investing with our disreationary income with basic knowledge present, we can build our emergency funds together with our Bitcoin acumulation, it is just about planing nothing more, with discipline and good money and risk management we can achieve Bitcoin investment goals for long-term without stress.

[Greyhats]

The safest method to make money for beginners in this digital space is through Bitcoin investment, am not saying that it's risk free, what am trying to say is that the risk attached to investing in Bitcoin is nothing when compared to trading that even professionals still lose money, since no one can consistently predict the next move of Bitcoin price, unlike investment where you just have to buy and accumulate, and if you are informed enough to put down emergency and reserve funds in place to safeguard your Bitcoin investment, the probability of your investment being a success is very high if you can hold for 10 years or more, not trading that you can make like $50k in a week or monthly and use a single trade or day to lose everything if proper risk management strategy is not utilized.

You are very correct and that is if they can be patient enough to wait for the investment to ripe, the problem many newbies or beginners as you call them encounters is, many of them are not ready to follow things gradually, they are too inquisitive to make quick money, that is why they easily get into traps like trading, one will say I dislike trading yes, I do not like it and I will never advice anyone that I know to go into it because it will look like am deceving the person which in real sense is true, I have heard that trading is people's business but don't we think those fronting those skill and saying some bullshit about signals might have other things that brings money to their table and may be decide to front trading for reason best known to them.
Anyone comparing Bitcoin investment for a long-term to trading, is doing that at his detriment, when we talk about digital asset or digital currency space, Bitcoin is the father, the mother and even the children, so no shit or aspect in this space will be compared with Bitcoin investment.

Bitcoin investment is all about planing, we start by investing with our disreationary income with basic knowledge present, we can build our emergency funds together with our Bitcoin acumulation, it is just about planing nothing more, with discipline and good money and risk management we can achieve Bitcoin investment goals for long-term without stress.

It’s that last bit that’s important, as you dca through multiple cycles there is point you reach where it’s almost stress free. Oh still you get greedy when going up, you always want more but then when down your not really bothered by it because your still up

[Obulis]

You can invest your money wherever you want. It is completely up to you. But if you can invest in Bitcoin, it can be the best investment of your life.

Long-term investment is able to bring profits in the long term. The biggest challenge of an investor is to survive in the market.

There is no certainty about this because we must remember that bitcoin is risky and whether or not the results are the best or not, we ourselves determine whether we are willing to be at risk and ready for all forms of consequences or not.
Being in bitcoin is indeed very profitable but not all who are in bitcoin will end well so this needs to be a consideration for those who want to be in bitcoin in order to prepare mentally in advance before really jumping in because not a few of those who are fomo but have a bad mentality actually have to end up with destruction in the end.

In addition, long-term investment does not make sure that we will profit especially when talking about the risks that are owned in bitcoin. We must remember that being in the long term in bitcoin is actually only to minimize risk not as a benchmark in profit even though the hope remains to profit but in bitcoin nothing can really be ascertained considering this is a risky asset.

Well red4slash you can not get carried away with the fact that Bitcoin is not a guaranteed investment. So far, Bitcoin investment has proven itself to profited at least more than 85% of long-term hodlers and has failed over 90% of traders if not more. In as much as it's not a guaranteed venturing, the already existing fact of percentage profit for long-term hodling is the key point and the encouragement to still carry on with the already working long-term approach.

[Grace333]

A trader Always has the right thinking plan, management and patience are important, they do not chase profits, they consider the momentum first, and on the other hand, beginners want to make more money in shortcuts, this is the biggest problem, this is why long-term investment in trading is the most for new users, and Dca is more secure, the impact of market fluctuations is reduced and the mental stress is less, only then should you think about trading, before that, seeing Bitcoin as a long-term asset and being patient is the best way.

I feel like you're saying that trading is okay as long as you can control your emotions and manage risk well, but I don't think that's really the case. Because believe me, trading is not something that can be done easily. Because basically, the risks are very high. Because I also tried trading for a while, and even though I learned a lot, I still couldn't do anything. That's why I've come to the conclusion that investing in Bitcoin is far better and safer. Because I've experienced it myself, trading is not an easy thing to do. So rather than letting ourselves and our money fall into a high-risk abyss, it's better to just invest in Bitcoin. Because when you invest in Bitcoin, it certainly won't interfere with your work in the real world. Therefore, I believe we should not make the wrong move, because if we make even one wrong move, believe me, it will shatter your mentality.

I get you, trading can sound simple on the surface, but once you are inside it, you just realize how brutal it is.  The risk is not just about money, it is mental. You can study, practice, learn strategies, and still end up on the wrong side of the market. One wrong move and you have mess with your confidence and mindset.

That is why I agree that trading is not for everyone. Even with discipline and risk management, it is still very demanding and time consuming. I will just advise anyone to stay away if possible, because sometimes it even affects your real life work if you are not careful.