INDIAN ECON, POLITICS, SOCIETY + BTC PRICE

[JSRAW]

^^ bhai sach bolun toh Singapore se comparison sahi nahi hoga because chota si country hai woh, easy to dictate and monitor. Wahan environment bodies waat laga deti hai logo ki agar khuda theek se manage nahi kiya toh, plus hefty fines. Yahan log aag laga denge har jagah agar aisa koi rule aa gaya toh.

I mean government has to be strict, otherwise people will never improve.

Strict rule banenge kaise? We all witnessed what happened in Delhi ncr when much needed farm law were introduced, thode si bheed ne bhoot bana diya tha so called strong full majority government ka. To wipe up dehati mindset need proper belt treatment but million dollar question is who is going to bell a cat? Need suicidal political outfit for major reforms.

Na yaar, being someone's bitch is worse. We do have plenty of serious problems but i am sure we'll get there, slowly but we will find solution.

[Bitcoin Smith]

I would never want to see the British rule in India or a continuation of the same. Yes dirt is there everywhere in this world, but we have to make sure our choices are proper and we are doing our part in keeping it clean. How others will make things cleaner is their choice but if someone starts going good others will try to become like them too.

These things we have to follow in daily lives and then the environment will become better, no point getting angry on others, spend your energy on more fruitful work.

Strict rules is not always the solution, it should come from our side and it may take a few generations to see any noticeable change but I don't see any sign that we are moving towards it. For example in Japan school kids got a certain session that they need to clean their classroom and it's their regular routine irrespective of how elite the school is but imagine such practice in India?

Elite parents want their kids to be pampered all the time so even raising voice is private school is prohibited because that might risk of losing potential fee. So school is the place we need to start so at least in future kids will know the importance of keeping their place clean and if everyone keeps their place clean then public place will also be that way.

[libert19]

I would never want to see the British rule in India or a continuation of the same. Yes dirt is there everywhere in this world, but we have to make sure our choices are proper and we are doing our part in keeping it clean. How others will make things cleaner is their choice but if someone starts going good others will try to become like them too.

These things we have to follow in daily lives and then the environment will become better, no point getting angry on others, spend your energy on more fruitful work.

Strict rules is not always the solution, it should come from our side and it may take a few generations to see any noticeable change but I don't see any sign that we are moving towards it. For example in Japan school kids got a certain session that they need to clean their classroom and it's their regular routine irrespective of how elite the school is but imagine such practice in India?

Actually, in both primary and secondary schools we had to clean school compound and classrooms.  But, tell you what we would clean there, and throw the trash collected outside     — I mean precisely this is the problem, keep the place clean but not care about rest. People keep their houses clean, roads are littered.

[Bitcoin Smith]

Actually, in both primary and secondary schools we had to clean school compound and classrooms.  But, tell you what we would clean there, and throw the trash collected outside     — I mean precisely this is the problem, keep the place clean but not care about rest. People keep their houses clean, roads are littered.

The core of the problem is individualism (Not sure it's an actual term) but what is mine like inside my home is matter but outside like a public park or a public transport is not mine so I don't have the responsibility to keep it clean. And even if we are not cleaning it we should not litter and make it dirty I mean Indian railway is spending around 2.5Cr per year to clean Gutka color spit on the platform and inside the coaches too. And we are too deep in this mess and it will take lot of education, awareness and everything to retrieve them back to humans.

[JSRAW]

I would never want to see the British rule in India or a continuation of the same. Yes dirt is there everywhere in this world, but we have to make sure our choices are proper and we are doing our part in keeping it clean. How others will make things cleaner is their choice but if someone starts going good others will try to become like them too.

These things we have to follow in daily lives and then the environment will become better, no point getting angry on others, spend your energy on more fruitful work.

Strict rules is not always the solution, it should come from our side and it may take a few generations to see any noticeable change but I don't see any sign that we are moving towards it. For example in Japan school kids got a certain session that they need to clean their classroom and it's their regular routine irrespective of how elite the school is but imagine such practice in India?

Actually, in both primary and secondary schools we had to clean school compound and classrooms.  But, tell you what we would clean there, and throw the trash collected outside     — I mean precisely this is the problem, keep the place clean but not care about rest. People keep their houses clean, roads are littered.

Bhai show off kar raha hai ki posh school se padai kari hai? 😂 Ameer log haha

Mere Sarvodaya bal vidyalaya ka alag hi hisab tha. In my time, every Sarvodaya bal vidyalaya in North ( mainly in Delhi and Haryana) had one 6'5 tall PT teacher nicknamed Panwadi because he chewed pan all the time. His only job was to beat us with stick ( proper police wala danda) during prayers and later instruct us to clean play ground, while he spit the paan.

[libert19]

^ Na bhai, main rural india se hun, primary gov school thi aur secondary semi-gov.

[JSRAW]

^^ arey baketi kar rahe they hum, tum kahe narvasa rahe ho bey,  Ab yeh chaupal ki baithak toh hai nahi jo explanation ka demand karenge aapse, bas hum toh isliye gariya rahe they ki hasi majak chalta rahe.  

Meanwhile pados mein hindi-chini bhai bhai ho raha hai. Chini are going back and talking about panchsheel (Nehru -Zhou Enlai agreement) again. Overall, okay with it but hope we didn't (unlikely)forget 62.

[libert19]

Kya hai yr, clarification de diya. Aur wese aaj evening india-pak partition ka stuff dekh raha, I had no idea that included plenty horrors and one that touched me was sikhs killing their women so they weren't abducted and raped by mobs — https://youtu.be/2WQtUYv1_-s

[LucyFurr]

Since you all talking about schools and stuff let me also bring something about education in general at present. It used to be backbone of our developing countries and that is why now we evolved into a much postion in all the sectors as individuals and Indians holds very important position in every part of the world. But the things are bit saturated there's private school at every corner and everyone wants to become a graduate even when we are aware of the unemployment in our country. And schools and college is the hit trending business to become right now in my opinion.

[TheUltraElite]

Private schools have dominated over the government schools with poor infrastructure, crumbling down buildings and lack of manpower. The education system here has a lot of flaws but I dont see any immediate solution to it but gradual changes at different levels are needed, besides corruption is severe in education sector and lot of hurdles are put up just because of corrupt officials.

While education is an important factor, many states  have improved it in a manner that a young workforce is generated at a regular rate, like Tamil Nadu to work in manufacturing plants.

[pawanjain]

Talking about private schools I just came across a news article few days back and it was about the rising school fees in India.
I was astonished to read that a school in Bengaluru charged 1 lakh per year for a child studying class 1.
This is really surprising because few years back when I was in my college I was just paying around 70k INR for the whole year.
It is also a well reputed college in my city/state.

[LucyFurr]

Talking about private schools I just came across a news article few days back and it was about the rising school fees in India.
I was astonished to read that a school in Bengaluru charged 1 lakh per year for a child studying class 1.
This is really surprising because few years back when I was in my college I was just paying around 70k INR for the whole year.
It is also a well reputed college in my city/state.

1Lakh is pretty low, IMO I remember schools had fees like 1.5 lakh for kindergarten itself. Extracurricular activities are mandatory, but the fees are separate, though.

Private schools have dominated over the government schools with poor infrastructure, crumbling down buildings and lack of manpower. The education system here has a lot of flaws but I dont see any immediate solution to it but gradual changes at different levels are needed, besides corruption is severe in education sector and lot of hurdles are put up just because of corrupt officials.

While education is an important factor, many states  have improved it in a manner that a young workforce is generated at a regular rate, like Tamil Nadu to work in manufacturing plants.

There is an immediate fix that will make this change possible but government should take a brave call and not to think about vote back games. All government employees kids must study in a public school and that's it we will know the real quality education.

[JSRAW]

Talking about private schools I just came across a news article few days back and it was about the rising school fees in India.
I was astonished to read that a school in Bengaluru charged 1 lakh per year for a child studying class 1.
This is really surprising because few years back when I was in my college I was just paying around 70k INR for the whole year.
It is also a well reputed college in my city/state.

1Lakh is pretty low, IMO I remember schools had fees like 1.5 lakh for kindergarten itself. Extracurricular activities are mandatory, but the fees are separate, though.

Private schools have dominated over the government schools with poor infrastructure, crumbling down buildings and lack of manpower. The education system here has a lot of flaws but I dont see any immediate solution to it but gradual changes at different levels are needed, besides corruption is severe in education sector and lot of hurdles are put up just because of corrupt officials.

While education is an important factor, many states  have improved it in a manner that a young workforce is generated at a regular rate, like Tamil Nadu to work in manufacturing plants.

There is an immediate fix that will make this change possible but government should take a brave call and not to think about vote back games. All government employees kids must study in a public school and that's it we will know the real quality education.

Yeah, now 1 lakh seems like a norm in any decent school, no matter who you are, you are going to break your bank for kids and don't think it's going to ease in near future because school lobby seems to be quite strong with the support of politicians, in some cases they run it.

There are some proposals of putting up cap on fees in Delhi but don't know what's the progress.

[Bitcoin Smith]

There are some proposals of putting up cap on fees in Delhi but don't know what's the progress.

If I am not wrong there is maximum cap fee on tuition in school and college is here but they simply bypass with misc fee and others and keep the tuition as per the guidelines so the rule should be capped on total fee that includes everything a kid pay not just the tuition. And for an average middle class their kid fee will be around 20-30% of their salary for a month and that is why now we are not interested in multiple kids just stuck with one.

[JSRAW]

There are some proposals of putting up cap on fees in Delhi but don't know what's the progress.

If I am not wrong there is maximum cap fee on tuition in school and college is here but they simply bypass with misc fee and others and keep the tuition as per the guidelines so the rule should be capped on total fee that includes everything a kid pay not just the tuition. And for an average middle class their kid fee will be around 20-30% of their salary for a month and that is why now we are not interested in multiple kids just stuck with one.

In Delhi, new government did pass a bill to regulate school fees and other useless stuff, don't know if it's implemented or they are using usual loopholes to bypass law. Maybe give tax benefit? This might lesson the burden for salaried class.

Regarding one/multiple kids, I look at it from different perspective. fertility rate is falling in India for every section but at the same time one specific group still up in fertility rate and if we continue to follow this trajectory then big demography change is coming in next 20-30 years. Without sounding alarmist, one should remember what happens when some group reach 30-35% of total population or become majority.

[Bitcoin Smith]

fertility rate is falling in India for every section but at the same time one specific group still up in fertility rate and if we continue to follow this trajectory then big demography change is coming in next 20-30 years. Without sounding alarmist, one should remember what happens when some group reach 30-35% of total population or become majority.

I looked up the reports of fertility rate decline categorized by religion and all are declining compared to past, so I am not sure you are implying the religion or caste here.

But this is a bit stretch and even if it's real it can't be planned and it must be due to the natural diet practices followed by them and vegans tends to lose it more than the others while we still have government propagating religious views and it could influence some to change from what they are supposed to do.

[JSRAW]

fertility rate is falling in India for every section but at the same time one specific group still up in fertility rate and if we continue to follow this trajectory then big demography change is coming in next 20-30 years. Without sounding alarmist, one should remember what happens when some group reach 30-35% of total population or become majority.

I looked up the reports of fertility rate decline categorized by religion and all are declining compared to past, so I am not sure you are implying the religion or caste here.

You missed the point, i said it's declining for everyone but x group is still higher from all other groups. See this study : https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/09/21/religious-composition-of-india/

But this is a bit stretch and even if it's real it can't be planned and it must be due to the natural diet practices followed by them and vegans tends to lose it more than the others while we still have government propagating religious views and it could influence some to change from what they are supposed to do.

This argument reminds me commentary of some pakistani cricketers, indians players don't eat meat that's why they are not strong lol.

Diet etc is important but not the only factor. Education plays the biggest role. One example is this, you said it yourself "And for an average middle class their kid fee will be around 20-30% of their salary for a month and that is why now we are not interested in multiple kids just stuck with one."

Then there is another problem from illegal migration from Bangladeshi and Rohingya, it will certainly add upto the problem. Why do you think PM had to announce demography mission from the red fort ( focus was not fertility but the migration).

[Bitcoin Smith]

You missed the point, i said it's declining for everyone but x group is still higher from all other groups. See this study : https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/09/21/religious-composition-of-india/

But muslims are down from 4.4 to 2.1 while others are down from 3.0 to 1.9 means Muslims are decline faster means opposite of what you are predicting, isn't it?

This argument reminds me commentary of some pakistani cricketers, indians players don't eat meat that's why they are not strong lol.

Diet etc is important but not the only factor. Education plays the biggest role. One example is this, you said it yourself "And for an average middle class their kid fee will be around 20-30% of their salary for a month and that is why now we are not interested in multiple kids just stuck with one."

Even the comment looks like a mockewry, it's not completely false? Back in the day cricket belongs to certain group of players when we had to wait for one man to do every time but now we got more players and struggling to fit in XI.

Diet changes, artificial fertilizers and substandard foods allowed by our government made India is a breeding ground of chronic illness and made health care spending as one of the primary spending in ever family that everyone has to pay for it.

Then there is another problem from illegal migration from Bangladeshi and Rohingya, it will certainly add upto the problem. Why do you think PM had to announce demography mission from the red fort ( focus was not fertility but the migration).

Isn't it better if we build a wall?

[pawanjain]

You missed the point, i said it's declining for everyone but x group is still higher from all other groups. See this study : https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/09/21/religious-composition-of-india/

But muslims are down from 4.4 to 2.1 while others are down from 3.0 to 1.9 means Muslims are decline faster means opposite of what you are predicting, isn't it?

The fertility rate is definitely falling for everyone in India but I guess the birth rate is still increasing for the above group of people.
This means that the number of muslim population in India will increase in the future when compare to others.
It is a concerning fact because as JSRAW mentioned "one should remember what happens when some group reach 30-35% of total population or become majority."

[Bitcoin Smith]

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It is a concerning fact because as JSRAW mentioned "one should remember what happens when some group reach 30-35% of total population or become majority."

I don't know what is the concerning factor in it, maybe I am not seeing the bigger picture here or my knowledge about politics is much limited. To me there's always two group of people, there is rich and there is poor and all these religions, caste and others are quite obsolete when we become rich.