[Table] Withdrawal Fees and Withdrawal Amounts on Crypto Casinos

[Pmalek]

Update:

- I have removed Maverick Games and PlayBitcoinGames from the table as these two casinos have gone offline.
- There were server issues with the images not loading properly in the OP but thanks to the work of LoyceV and bitmover everything is ok now. All images have been changed, but it will make updating the topic more difficult. I can't do it myself and have to nudge LoyceV to make the changes on his end. I don't want to make him angry.

As always, if you notice any mistakes, feel free to write what needs to be corrected.

[LoyceV]

it will make updating the topic more difficult. I can't do it myself

I can give you FTP or SSH access if you want, or you can upload the txt-file anywhere for me to download.

and have to nudge LoyceV to make the changes on his end. I don't want to make him angry.

It's pointless to get angry from online posts And I offered, so I won't ignore you any time soon over this If it bothers me, I'll build a post-scraper that gets this data from a post of your choosing, so you can edit that one (but it's a bit more work to do).

I don't want any type of access to anything else you are doing and running for your own good. If you can compartmentalize it somehow for me to only have access to the options to work with the images, it would be great.

That's going to be more difficult than a regular user account.

[Pmalek]

I can give you FTP or SSH access if you want...

This doesn't sound bad. I don't want any type of access to anything else you are doing and running for your own good. If you can compartmentalize it somehow for me to only have access to the options to work with the images, it would be great. I could then edit the numbers myself and add data for new casinos if and when I add them to the table.

[Moreno233]

Update:

- I have removed Maverick Games and PlayBitcoinGames from the table as these two casinos have gone offline.
- There were server issues with the images not loading properly in the OP but thanks to the work of LoyceV and bitmover everything is ok now. All images have been changed, but it will make updating the topic more difficult. I can't do it myself and have to nudge LoyceV to make the changes on his end. I don't want to make him angry.

As always, if you notice any mistakes, feel free to write what needs to be corrected.

Is there a a condition a casino must meet to be added in your list or it is based on your experience or recommendation of someone you know. I'm asking because there are many casinos who are not in that list, although most of them are relatively new to the forum but some have been actively running campaigns and promotions and have gather considerable users from this forum? Furthermore, do you remove casinos that have ben confirm to have integrity issues like we see some casinos that ran into issues that hindered smooth withdrawals that have lead to serious of scam accusation threads? Please pardon me if this question have already been asked and answered because I was unable to read through the entire thread.

[bitmover]

Update:

- I have removed Maverick Games and PlayBitcoinGames from the table as these two casinos have gone offline.
- There were server issues with the images not loading properly in the OP but thanks to the work of LoyceV and bitmover everything is ok now. All images have been changed, but it will make updating the topic more difficult. I can't do it myself and have to nudge LoyceV to make the changes on his end. I don't want to make him angry.

As always, if you notice any mistakes, feel free to write what needs to be corrected.

Is there a a condition a casino must meet to be added in your list or it is based on your experience or recommendation of someone you know. I'm asking because there are many casinos who are not in that list, although most of them are relatively new to the forum but some have been actively running campaigns and promotions and have gather considerable users from this forum? Furthermore, do you remove casinos that have ben confirm to have integrity issues like we see some casinos that ran into issues that hindered smooth withdrawals that have lead to serious of scam accusation threads? Please pardon me if this question have already been asked and answered because I was unable to read through the entire thread.

I think it is important that the casino is well established , online for a few months/years, so we know it is not a scam.

As this table is read by a lot of people, it servers a recommendation for many people to find safe casinos.

[Pmalek]

Is there a a condition a casino must meet to be added in your list or it is based on your experience or recommendation of someone you know. I'm asking because there are many casinos who are not in that list, although most of them are relatively new to the forum but some have been actively running campaigns and promotions and have gather considerable users from this forum?

bitmover already covered the basics. I don't add new casinos. They must have been around for some time (6 months at least) and have a clean history of not scamming players. Controversies can always happen, and there will always be people who are not satisfied with decisions certain casinos make. If I see a right-out scam from a casino, I will remove it from my table.

Furthermore, do you remove casinos that have ben confirm to have integrity issues like we see some casinos that ran into issues that hindered smooth withdrawals that have lead to serious of scam accusation threads?

Yes, I have removed some of them in the past. For instance, AceDBets, Bit-exo, BUFF.bet, Betnomi and many others were once on the list but have since been removed due to various reasons like scams and unfair practices.

[Haunebu]

Just wanted to pop in here and mention that Fairlay team have decided to move to a new site called Bitcoin-betting.com which is a fully decentralized site with similar services basically.

Fairlay site is still operational, but it will be shut down most probably once all their players shift to the new site which is why I advise updating the same in the table. Guess fees will decrease drastically for all crypto on their site after this change.

[Pmalek]

Just wanted to pop in here and mention that Fairlay team have decided to move to a new site called Bitcoin-betting.com which is a fully decentralized site with similar services basically.

Fairlay site is still operational, but it will be shut down most probably once all their players shift to the new site which is why I advise updating the same in the table. Guess fees will decrease drastically for all crypto on their site after this change.

Can you share a link to an official source where they have announced moving to the new site and shutting down Fairlay? I checked their Facebook and X feeds, but they haven't been active there a long time. There has been zero activity on their Facebook page since 2019 and no activity on X since 2023.

I have lost access to my Fairlay account a long time ago (they probably deleted it due to inactivity since I can't even reset the password through email).

[panjul07]

I cant really remember if chips.gg was on the list or not, or it was but you have removed it maybe for a reason.
Are you going to add them on the list? If so, their minimum withdrawal in btc is 0.001btc while withdrawal fee is 0.0001btc.
A small suggestion, maybe you can add a changelog on the OP for any update you make starting from this year.
Just like the one we can see in the signature campaign list so we all can remember which sites are added/removed.

[Haunebu]

Can you share a link to an official source where they have announced moving to the new site and shutting down Fairlay? I checked their Facebook and X feeds, but they haven't been active there a long time. There has been zero activity on their Facebook page since 2019 and no activity on X since 2023.

Here you go.

https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=5517758.msg64728680#msg64728680

They launched this new site recently though it seems like it's in its alpha stage currently and their Fairlay player base is slowly transitioning over based on what I observed. They sent me a DM through which I joined the new site.

I haven't really used it much yet, but I already like it a lot more than the old one thanks to the clean new UI and lower overall fees.

[Pmalek]

I cant really remember if chips.gg was on the list or not, or it was but you have removed it maybe for a reason.
Are you going to add them on the list?

Chips.gg was on the list before but I removed them in December 2023 after news and screenshots got leaked that the owner is asking his staff to withhold withdrawals from winning players in a hope that they will gamble some or all of it away while their accounts get "investigated."

Here is the post I made at that time:

Update:

I have removed Chips.gg from the table. The casino operates without a casino license, and I have seen information that points towards Chips.gg locking player accounts to prevent winning players from cashing out. Read the scam accusation below for more information. The evidence isn't public but can be found on 3rd-party sites for those who know where to look. Don't say anything more on that subject please!

How I got scammed by chips.gg with insane proof from their employee

However, a mediator couldn't prove their guilt and nothing else happened after that. I was also made aware of their alleged wrongdoings by a trusted member of this forum via PM, which gives credence to the story. Still, it seems that nothing has been proved. I am not sure, but I might consider re-adding them to the table.

A small suggestion, maybe you can add a changelog on the OP for any update you make starting from this year.

That's a good suggestion. Thank you!

Here you go.
https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=5517758.msg64728680#msg64728680

Thank you. That confirms that they are connected to the site you mentioned but the post doesn't say that Fairlay will shut down. Is their confirmation that Fairlay will shut down in the near future? Looking at their trust ratings, I wonder if I should have them in the table at all. Regardless, the new casino will have to remain operational for a few months before I add it on my list.

[NotATether]

I cant really remember if chips.gg was on the list or not, or it was but you have removed it maybe for a reason.
Are you going to add them on the list?

Chips.gg was on the list before but I removed them in December 2023 after news and screenshots got leaked that the owner is asking his staff to withhold withdrawals from winning players in a hope that they will gamble some or all of it away while their accounts get "investigated."

Here is the post I made at that time:

Update:

I have removed Chips.gg from the table. The casino operates without a casino license, and I have seen information that points towards Chips.gg locking player accounts to prevent winning players from cashing out. Read the scam accusation below for more information. The evidence isn't public but can be found on 3rd-party sites for those who know where to look. Don't say anything more on that subject please!

How I got scammed by chips.gg with insane proof from their employee

However, a mediator couldn't prove their guilt and nothing else happened after that. I was also made aware of their alleged wrongdoings by a trusted member of this forum via PM, which gives credence to the story. Still, it seems that nothing has been proved. I am not sure, but I might consider re-adding them to the table.

Yikes. That's very shitty if it's true.

But anyway, what I wanted to ask you is that why don't you try to get this table on other websites like BTCGOSU and, I dunno, maybe Ratings Place or some other sites that rate casinos and compare them. I'm not very familiar with that scene. Because they could really make good use of this data, doing things like sorting by withdrawal fee instead of alphabetically for example.

[Haunebu]

That confirms that they are connected to the site you mentioned but the post doesn't say that Fairlay will shut down. Is their confirmation that Fairlay will shut down in the near future? Looking at their trust ratings, I wonder if I should have them in the table at all. Regardless, the new casino will have to remain operational for a few months before I add it on my list.

I spoke to their team and they did mention that they are completely shifting from Fairlay to the new site which is why I shared the information. Their negative trust feedback is due to their own missteps in a particular case though they didn't scam anyone.

Hope you do add their new site to your list later on since I might be using it frequently in the future.

[Pmalek]

But anyway, what I wanted to ask you is that why don't you try to get this table on other websites like BTCGOSU and, I dunno, maybe Ratings Place or some other sites that rate casinos and compare them.

Anyone who wants to use the table with its data or improve it further is free to do so. I have never considered asking other services or affiliate companies to make use of this source. I don't rate casinos and give them points. This is just an overview of how much it will cost you to withdraw from popular crypto casinos, which coins are supported, and how much money you will need to have in your account to make a withdrawal. 

Because they could really make good use of this data, doing things like sorting by withdrawal fee instead of alphabetically for example.

That could be an interesting way to sort casinos, you are right.

[panjul07]

Maybe you can add these 3 casinos, they are more than 6 months olds since they came to this forum. 2 of them are already more than 1 year old:
1. Metawin
ANN thread: https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=5483159.0
BTC min withdrawal: 0.00010117btc
withdrawal fee: 0.00001518btc
supported altcoins: ETH, SOL, USDT, TRX, XRP, BNB, USDC, LTC, DAI, DOGE, MATIC, BCH, EOS, RLB, SHFL, etc.
source: https://talkimg.com/image/WddNH

2. Rainbet
ANN thread: https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=5479271.0
BTC min withdrawal: $15
withdrawal fee: Dynamic with 2 options (standard and priority).
supported altcoins: ETH, USDT, TRX, LTC, SOL, DAI, USDC, etc.
source: https://talkimg.com/image/Wduog

3. Playgram
ANN thread: https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=5495983.0
BTC min withdrawal: 0.0002btc
withdrawal fee: unfortunately cant find the information
supported altcoins: ADA, BCH, BNB (BNB), BNB-BSC (BNB), BTC, DOGE, ETH, LTC, TON, TRX, USDC, USDT (ERC 20 or TRC 20 (Tron)), XRP.
source: https://talkimg.com/image/WdwxI

As far as I can see, there is no signficant complaint or scam allegations against them (unless I missed it).
Once again, I have no idea if above 3 casinos were on the list before, just suggested them because I dont see them on the updated list.

[Pmalek]

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Thanks for the suggestions. I am aware of all three and I don't think either one was ever part of this collection. I will check them out and make sure the withdrawal numbers and supported coins data are correct when I do. From the top of my head I can't remember that I saw legitimate scam accusations and cases of wrongdoings against them.

[Moreno233]

Is there a a condition a casino must meet to be added in your list or it is based on your experience or recommendation of someone you know. I'm asking because there are many casinos who are not in that list, although most of them are relatively new to the forum but some have been actively running campaigns and promotions and have gather considerable users from this forum?

bitmover already covered the basics. I don't add new casinos. They must have been around for some time (6 months at least) and have a clean history of not scamming players. Controversies can always happen, and there will always be people who are not satisfied with decisions certain casinos make. If I see a right-out scam from a casino, I will remove it from my table.

Thanks for that explanation and that you @bitmover for that helpful response. So, I want to believe that all the casinos listed are running smoothly and without any confirmed sharp practices. I'm actually surprised seeing some of them because they have not been too active in this forum, maybe they have gained their loyal supporters and might not consider it necessary maintaining their presence here.

In addition, I was also expecting to see some casinos there but your benchmark of 6 months presence in the forum actually solved my curiosity because most of them are relatively new to the forum even though they have spent quite some time here. Example of such casino is Playgram casino, I have used them a couple of times and their service is excellent. There are others but I mentioned the one I have used.

[bitmover]

In addition, I was also expecting to see some casinos there but your benchmark of 6 months presence in the forum actually solved my curiosity because most of them are relatively new to the forum even though they have spent quite some time here. Example of such casino is Playgram casino, I have used them a couple of times and their service is excellent. There are others but I mentioned the one I have used.

There were in the past some mixers which even made signature campaigns in the forum and a few months later they just made an exit scam.

In my opinion, 6 months is still a very early stage of a project. Although Playgram looks a very legit company and I am not talking about it specifically...

[notblox1]

Anyone who wants to use the table with its data or improve it further is free to do so. I have never considered asking other services or affiliate companies to make use of this source. I don't rate casinos and give them points. This is just an overview of how much it will cost you to withdraw from popular crypto casinos, which coins are supported, and how much money you will need to have in your account to make a withdrawal. 

It would be good if you could backup this data on your website or github, for people who are not yet joined to bitcointalk.
Rating casinos is not easy task and I would not do it without a team of people who would all do reviews and found middle rating for each casino.
Only thing I can recommend is what casinos to avoid based on my personal experiences with them, and I think that is fair.

[Pmalek]

So, I want to believe that all the casinos listed are running smoothly and without any confirmed sharp practices. I'm actually surprised seeing some of them because they have not been too active in this forum, maybe they have gained their loyal supporters and might not consider it necessary maintaining their presence here.

A lot can change as time passes. Don't forget, I created this thread back in 2021. Some casinos that were more active back then might not be as active today for various reasons. Still, that doesn't mean that I should remove them only because there are now more attractive gambling sites.

It would be good if you could backup this data on your website or github, for people who are not yet joined to bitcointalk.

I don't have a website and I have no coding skills so I don't have a GitHub account either.