Show off your hardware wallet

[NeuroticFish]

Back to topic guys!

2 days ago my new Trezor Safe 3 arrived to replace my Ledger Nano S and my Ledger Nano X.

My congratulation on this matter, but, ^{just of curiosity}, why Safe 3 instead of their next generation Safe 5. Booth are safe and user friendly however  Safe 5 has advanced touch screen display which makes interactions ^{with wallet} a bit easier for user. I assume that the price was the difference maker for you, ^{nevertheless,  what really tipped you over?.}

I've also bought a Trezor Safe 3 during this winter's Black Friday. I've just set it up properly these days. It was a long due purchase after no longer trusting my Ledger.

For me the price was more important than "advanced touch", especially as I do prefer actual buttons.
I didn't find anything really important (for me) Safe 5 would come with.


PS. Is there any Android wallet in 2025 that supports Trezor Safe 3 and offers coin control?

[Real-Duke]

Although I'm very curious, what's your personal review on the Ledger Nano S?

The first time with a hardware Wallet I was very happy with the -old- Ledger Nano S but with every firmware update the empty space for apps became less and less again.
So I decided to look for the Nano X and was happy again until the reviews about the new "Ledger features" appear somedays...

But now, after moving all my coins to my new Safe 3 I can sleep well again

I assume that the price was the difference maker for you

100% correct Sir!

I've also bought a Trezor Safe 3 during this winter's Black Friday.

Same thoughts here in the last month and so I bought my trezor for 55 bucks around black friday.

[Wind_FURY]

Although I'm very curious, what's your personal review on the Ledger Nano S?

The first time with a hardware Wallet I was very happy with the -old- Ledger Nano S but with every firmware update the empty space for apps became less and less again.

So I decided to look for the Nano X and was happy again until the reviews about the new "Ledger features" appear somedays...

But now, after moving all my coins to my new Safe 3 I can sleep well again

But have you felt that your coins were "always not safe" when they were stored in your Ledger wallets? I have seen many people store their whole portfolios that are worth millions in a Ledger without feeling "not safe" and they have never had a single satoshi stolen from their Ledgers.

Would you say that those posts about the Ledger as "not safe" are partly FUD from Open Source Software advocates?

[Pmalek]

Would you say that those posts about the Ledger as "not safe" are partly FUD from Open Source Software advocates?

Ledger has always gotten a lot of hate on this forum, even before the Ledger Recover debacle. They are guilty of a lot, and their actions have affected the privacy of their customers. But none of their past actions have affected the security of their users and their money as much as Ledger Recover has. They should never have created it, but if they wanted to go down that road, it should have been an optional feature. You might think, but it is an optional feature, no one is making you use it! True, but the code for its activation is in all their new firmware updates (except Ledger Nano S apparently). It shouldn't be in the universal firmware at all. They could have developed a standalone firmware that holds the Ledger Recover code and allowed their customers to choose which one they want to use. However, that choice isn't given to you. It's decisions like those that raise doubts and make people question what the hell are these people doing?   

[Lucius]

But have you felt that your coins were "always not safe" when they were stored in your Ledger wallets? I have seen many people store their whole portfolios that are worth millions in a Ledger without feeling "not safe" and they have never had a single satoshi stolen from their Ledgers.

Would you say that those posts about the Ledger as "not safe" are partly FUD from Open Source Software advocates?

If we are honest, I would dare to say that about 90% of those who own cryptocurrencies are not at all aware of the risks arising from the use of L-HW - because if you have a device that allows your private keys to be shared with third parties, then it is an alarm bell, not a sign to bury your head in the sand and pretend everything is fine.

I would disagree that this is FUD, these are facts supported by evidence that is indisputable. You say that no one lost anything, but the possibility of sharing seeds remotely is a good basis for something like that to happen in the future. The only logical thing is to prevent such a development of events, and that is only possible if you have an offline/cold wallet.

[Real-Duke]

@Wind_FURY

There is nothing more I can say that @Pmalek and @Lucius haven't said before
Maybe nothing happens within the next years with all the Ledger Wallets but to be honest I feel much better since I left their none public system!

Btw we should stay ontopic here guys, always remember this

so...

Back to topic guys!

[Wind_FURY]

But have you felt that your coins were "always not safe" when they were stored in your Ledger wallets? I have seen many people store their whole portfolios that are worth millions in a Ledger without feeling "not safe" and they have never had a single satoshi stolen from their Ledgers.

Would you say that those posts about the Ledger as "not safe" are partly FUD from Open Source Software advocates?

If we are honest, I would dare to say that about 90% of those who own cryptocurrencies are not at all aware of the risks arising from the use of L-HW - because if you have a device that allows your private keys to be shared with third parties, then it is an alarm bell, not a sign to bury your head in the sand and pretend everything is fine.

I would disagree that this is FUD, these are facts supported by evidence that is indisputable. You say that no one lost anything, but the possibility of sharing seeds remotely is a good basis for something like that to happen in the future. The only logical thing is to prevent such a development of events, and that is only possible if you have an offline/cold wallet.

I then believe that this might be one of those "Black Swans" that's starting, and slowly, it's going to catch ALL of us with a very BIG surprise if Ledger hardware wallers start getting exploited.

The probabilities on which cryptocurrencies' price might be the most "damaged" might depend on what sort of users actually like storing their coins in a Ledger? I believe most Bitcoiners use a Trezor and the less popular, but fully Open Source, hardware wallets.

[Pmalek]

I believe most Bitcoiners use a Trezor and the less popular, but fully Open Source, hardware wallets.

I have a different opinion. I believe that Trezor is closing the gap between themselves and Ledger but Ledger remains the top hardware wallet seller overall. They invest more in marketing and promotion, and people love to buy what's in front of their faces. They like hearing big words, such as "ultimate security", "protection", "safety of funds", and that makes them not question the company and their devices.

We are still a minority. When I say we I mean people like the Bitcointalk community that discusses topics like Ledger Recover and understands the potential threats such a feature represents. The average user just wants a quick fix. They will buy a device they see and go about their day.

[Wind_FURY]

I believe most Bitcoiners use a Trezor and the less popular, but fully Open Source, hardware wallets.

I have a different opinion. I believe that Trezor is closing the gap between themselves and Ledger but Ledger remains the top hardware wallet seller overall. They invest more in marketing and promotion, and people love to buy what's in front of their faces. They like hearing big words, such as "ultimate security", "protection", "safety of funds", and that makes them not question the company and their devices.

What does that mean? That a higher percentage of Bitcoiners use the Ledger as their main cold-storage device? I believe not, and not with how more educated Bitcoiners are, and how they are more attuned with the Open Source Software community in general.

We are still a minority. When I say we I mean people like the Bitcointalk community that discusses topics like Ledger Recover and understands the potential threats such a feature represents. The average user just wants a quick fix. They will buy a device they see and go about their day.

I believe many shitcoin users, like Solana shitcoin traders, use Ledger simply because of the lack of understanding of the risks. Although it's also possible that the risks might be inflated.

[Pmalek]

What does that mean? That a higher percentage of Bitcoiners use the Ledger as their main cold-storage device? I believe not, and not with how more educated Bitcoiners are, and how they are more attuned with the Open Source Software community in general.

Both Ledger and Trezor support multiple currencies, their wallets aren't exclusive for bitcoin only. When you take into account the entire crypto community, I believe Ledger still holds the number #1 spot. Their sales records confirm that. They have sold more units than any other manufacturer. But like I said, I don't think the difference is as big as it was in the past and before the data leak and Ledger Recover fiasco.

Perhaps those who only use bitcoin aren't that big fans of Ledger like you said, but we can't neglect the users of all other crypto assets.

[m2017]

Both Ledger and Trezor support multiple currencies, their wallets aren't exclusive for bitcoin only.

Trezor has a wallet designed only for storing bitcoin. And also, a separate firmware, allowing to "turn" a multi-currency wallet into a BTC-only wallet.

When you take into account the entire crypto community, I believe Ledger still holds the number #1 spot.

Most likely, yes. Thanks to their marketing department. #1 spot, but not in terms of trust, that's for sure.

Their sales records confirm that.

They make these reports themselves. And this could be a marketing ploy, exaggerating sales and presenting their products as the best-selling, which would push this brand to #1 spot.

These guys have been caught lying more than once.

They have sold more units than any other manufacturer.

Now if there were independent sources confirming this, that would be a different matter.

[Wind_FURY]

What does that mean? That a higher percentage of Bitcoiners use the Ledger as their main cold-storage device? I believe not, and not with how more educated Bitcoiners are, and how they are more attuned with the Open Source Software community in general.

Both Ledger and Trezor support multiple currencies, their wallets aren't exclusive for bitcoin only. When you take into account the entire crypto community, I believe Ledger still holds the number #1 spot. Their sales records confirm that. They have sold more units than any other manufacturer. But like I said, I don't think the difference is as big as it was in the past and before the data leak and Ledger Recover fiasco.

Perhaps those who only use bitcoin aren't that big fans of Ledger like you said, but we can't neglect the users of all other crypto assets.

I'm not debating the fact that the Ledger is the most preferable choice for ordinary cryptocurrency users in general. I merely said that because Bitcoin users, specifically, have more knowledge and understanding about crypto networks and Open Source Software, plus Bitcoiners live more for the ethos of Open Source, THEN it's probably more likely that many of them will avoid the Ledger with its closed-source firmware and use the Trezor or the lesser known KeyStone wallet, no?

[Pmalek]

Trezor has a wallet designed only for storing bitcoin. And also, a separate firmware, allowing to "turn" a multi-currency wallet into a BTC-only wallet.

I know that. I am using it myself. A small correction, though. Trezor doesn't have a bitcoin-only hardware wallet. More precisely, they wrongly advertise it as such. It's got a bitcoin-only firmware. Each user can choose between this or the universal multi-coin firmware and they can install them on all Trezor devices. The BTC-only model just looks differently from the other ones. It's got the orange Bitcoin back cover. But it can support multiple coins if you want it to even if it's marketed as BTC-only.

They make these reports themselves. And this could be a marketing ploy, exaggerating sales and presenting their products as the best-selling, which would push this brand to #1 spot.

Everyone makes sales reports themselves. It's not like other manufacturers entrust this to 3rd-party companies.

I'm not debating the fact that the Ledger is the most preferable choice for ordinary cryptocurrency users in general. I merely said that because Bitcoin users, specifically, have more knowledge and understanding about crypto networks and Open Source Software, plus Bitcoiners live more for the ethos of Open Source, THEN it's probably more likely that many of them will avoid the Ledger with its closed-source firmware and use the Trezor or the lesser known KeyStone wallet, no?

It's certainly a possibility, yes.

I think we have stirred so far away into off-topic waters that we are losing sight of the shore. We should return to the original idea of this thread. Does anyone have any new photos and feedback to share about the hardware wallets they use?

[libert19]

I have ledger nano S with it's display completely dusted, I won it in MyEtherWallet's writing contest in probably 2017 (you can see MEW logo on it's keyring or whatever it's called). It was done so bought tangem, and now with recent happening, it has lost my trust and now I'll be moving to trezor 3, should be arriving in next few days.

[Pmalek]

I have ledger nano S with it's display completely dusted, I won it in MyEtherWallet's writing contest in probably 2017 (you can see MEW logo on it's keyring or whatever it's called).

Replacing the screen of the Ledger Nano S is a relatively easy thing to do. You can find several videos on it on YouTube, and there is even a thread on Bitcointalk about it. Maus0728 did it back in 2022 > Ledger Nano S Oled Screen Replacement <
The replacement screen is cheap and can be purchased online from China. I would no longer recommend using Ledger HWs with everything that has been going on, so you should think hard if and how (if at all) to use that device in the future.

I will add the Ledger and Tangem to the list and you can make a new post when you buy your Trezor and upload a few pictures of it.

[libert19]

I have ledger nano S with it's display completely dusted, I won it in MyEtherWallet's writing contest in probably 2017 (you can see MEW logo on it's keyring or whatever it's called).

Replacing the screen of the Ledger Nano S is a relatively easy thing to do. You can find several videos on it on YouTube, and there is even a thread on Bitcointalk about it. Maus0728 did it back in 2022 > Ledger Nano S Oled Screen Replacement <
The replacement screen is cheap and can be purchased online from China. I would no longer recommend using Ledger HWs with everything that has been going on, so you should think hard if and how (if at all) to use that device in the future.

I am aware of that, I thought to replace it at first but Indian government has banned aliexpress, so can't buy dirt cheap from there. I could buy from Symetronix, but including shipping total was about $20, figured might as well get tangem which was selling for about $60, and yeah ledger fiasco played it's part as well in this decision.

I will add the Ledger and Tangem to the list and you can make a new post when you buy your Trezor and upload a few pictures of it.

Alright.

[Pmalek]

I am aware of that, I thought to replace it at first but Indian government has banned aliexpress, so can't buy dirt cheap from there. I could buy from Symetronix, but including shipping total was about $20

I am sure you can find many people on Bitcointalk who have old but functional Nano S hardware wallets lying around that they have abandoned and are no longer using. Some of them are maybe from India, perhaps even close to you. They could be interested in giving away the screens of their devices or the entire thing if you covered shipping or whatever deal you make with them. It doesn't hurt to ask. You can protect your privacy by doing all this from an alt account to not connect your identity to your Bitcointalk account. This is, of course, if you still have intentions to use your Ledger and don't mind doing the work in replacing the screen yourself.

[satscraper]

I am sure you can find many people on Bitcointalk who have old but functional Nano S hardware wallets lying around that they have abandoned and are no longer using.

One of those people is me and I have replaced the broken display on my ledger nano s, now it is in working condition and  being abandoned lays down in the draw-box but unfortunately my place of residence too far from India, which prevents me from sending him my device. Besides, it would be too costly for him to cover such sending. Better to buy new wallet. Ledger reputation is not worth er.. to work for its broken device.

Any way, libert19 may find my old post on how to replace display to be helpful for him.

[libert19]

I have ledger nano S with it's display completely dusted, I won it in MyEtherWallet's writing contest in probably 2017 (you can see MEW logo on it's keyring or whatever it's called). It was done so bought tangem, and now with recent happening, it has lost my trust and now I'll be moving to trezor 3, should be arriving in next few days.

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Received Trezor Safe 3 few days ago, set it up today.

This is first time me using Trezor, and I would rate it better than Ledger nano S (hereon referred as ledger) and Tangem both.

I find button placement in front convenient compared to ledger's side buttons and bit bigger screen is also pleasing to use, letters also felt crisp compared to ledger.

I felt relieved that I could set it up using Trezor Suite Web, I had to borrow laptop from friend to set up ledger back in the day, because ledger live app wouldn't support installing firmware from mobile.

[Wind_FURY]

I am sure you can find many people on Bitcointalk who have old but functional Nano S hardware wallets lying around that they have abandoned and are no longer using.

One of those people is me and I have replaced the broken display on my ledger nano s, now it is in working condition and  being abandoned lays down in the draw-box but unfortunately my place of residence too far from India, which prevents me from sending him my device. Besides, it would be too costly for him to cover such sending. Better to buy new wallet. Ledger reputation is not worth er.. to work for its broken device.

Any way, libert19 may find my old post on how to replace display to be helpful for him.

OP, sorry for being off-topic, but I'm merely curious.

satscraper, where did you buy the new display to replace the old one? Can the same fix also be done on an old Trezor One too? I believe this Trezor I have is already eight years old.