[Boxing] Beterbiev vs. Bivol - Undisputed Light Heavyweight Championship

[hilariousetc]

Anyhow, I'm not going to pretend I'm good at round scoring, so will withhold from judging if the decision was fair or not, but I thought Bivol did enough to have his hand raised.

Same. I thought Bivol did enough but it was close. I definitely wouldn't have given it to Beterbiev though. Personally, I think these sorts of fights should be given as a draw. I think they'll likely rematch but they'll probably cancel each other out again.

Wardley pretty much punched a hole in Clarke's head. Vicious punch. Looks like a broken jaw for Clarke.




Whittaker disappointed. I wonder if he did actually get injured or just took the opportunity to quit or maybe try get a disqualification given he was losing the fight? The rest of the fights all went the way I thought they would.

[Polkeins]

And Beterbiev won the fight, in a split decision, unifying all the belts at Light Heavyweight, scores were 116-112 (Pawel Kardyni), 115-113 (Glenn Feldman) and 114-114 (Manuel Oliver Palomo).

But for me it could have gone either way, I do not see Beterbiev getting Bivol in trouble. So this fight ends in a controversial win by Beterbiev.

Not sure how you guys see this fight, it could also be a draw, in my opinion. Although I have Bivol winning here, and I have heard in some boxing forum that Bivol was robbed here.

I agree with you that Beterbiev's victory was not visible, rather a draw or Bivol's victory by rounds 7-5.
The fight was very competitive and although Biterbiev threw more punches, Bivol's punches were more accurate, but due to the fact that Biterbiev's punches are very strong it looked like Bivol was flying to the ropes, but in fact Biterbiev was hitting the block and didn't do much damage.
I think that if Bivol would have taken the end of rounds more confidently, there would have been no doubt in his victory, but unfortunately for him very often in the end of rounds Bitterbiev looked better.
The judge who gave the score 116-112 for Beterbiev should be checked separately looks like he had any interest in Bitterbiev's victory or just not professional.

I do agree with that score though, it looks like Beterbiev for him is the runaway winning when it was really a very close fight for us. I think Bivol lost due to his non active specially in the championship rounds. He is supposedly to be the busier fighter, but it seems that he can't get his shots and can't pull the trigger like he did against Canelo, his average punch is way below what he did in his previous fight.

And since the end is controversial, it is rightful that a rematch was to be made by Turki here. Fans are screaming for that, the end is not settled as we could be split as who win here and then that absurd score of one of the judges. It could be a draw for all we know if the judges score it right.

They will have a rematch cause it is in their contracts and Bivol said he's ready for a rematch, so it's up to Beterbiev, but considering how old Beterbiev is and how he fought, I think he'll be able to perform at the highest level for at least a year or two.
Now I wonder if Canelo will be interested in fighting Bivol or not after his loss to Beterbiev.
Whether Beterbiev is now ready to fight Benavides is also an interesting question and I think Beterbiev can beat him now.

[LogitechMouse]

They will have a rematch cause it is in their contracts and Bivol said he's ready for a rematch, so it's up to Beterbiev, but considering how old Beterbiev is and how he fought, I think he'll be able to perform at the highest level for at least a year or two.
Now I wonder if Canelo will be interested in fighting Bivol or not after his loss to Beterbiev.
Whether Beterbiev is now ready to fight Benavides is also an interesting question and I think Beterbiev can beat him now.

Beterbiev "MUST" accept it or else, it might affect his reputation and might be labeled as "COWARD" if he will not.
I know he made history as the first fighter to unify those 4 belts at his own division, but not considering a rematch against his so-called "Rival" is not an option knowing they're fighters. Also, fans wanted it as well.

Many though that Bivol was robbed including those analysts which I find funny, but TBH there's some truth in it. In fact, I would call the fight a split draw instead of a majority decision. I'm not good at scoring, but I'm just basing it on what I watched so... yeah, but I expect a trilogy between these 2 fighters. Now the 100% KO ratio rate has been broken, and like what others said, the one who scored the bout 116-112 must be banned from judging because that's just way to disrespectful for the fighter. As for Canelo fighting Bivol again, he will still have no match for him that's for sure. Bivol just toyed with him when they fought for the first time, and there will be no difference if they will face the second time. Losing against one of the best in Light Heavyweight doesn't mean they're weaker already.

As for Beterbiev's next move, fighting Benavides might be an option, but I still believe that no one in their division can beat Beterbiev except for Bivol himself.

[Polkeins]

They will have a rematch cause it is in their contracts and Bivol said he's ready for a rematch, so it's up to Beterbiev, but considering how old Beterbiev is and how he fought, I think he'll be able to perform at the highest level for at least a year or two.
Now I wonder if Canelo will be interested in fighting Bivol or not after his loss to Beterbiev.
Whether Beterbiev is now ready to fight Benavides is also an interesting question and I think Beterbiev can beat him now.

Beterbiev "MUST" accept it or else, it might affect his reputation and might be labeled as "COWARD" if he will not.
I know he made history as the first fighter to unify those 4 belts at his own division, but not considering a rematch against his so-called "Rival" is not an option knowing they're fighters. Also, fans wanted it as well.

Many though that Bivol was robbed including those analysts which I find funny, but TBH there's some truth in it. In fact, I would call the fight a split draw instead of a majority decision. I'm not good at scoring, but I'm just basing it on what I watched so... yeah, but I expect a trilogy between these 2 fighters. Now the 100% KO ratio rate has been broken, and like what others said, the one who scored the bout 116-112 must be banned from judging because that's just way to disrespectful for the fighter. As for Canelo fighting Bivol again, he will still have no match for him that's for sure. Bivol just toyed with him when they fought for the first time, and there will be no difference if they will face the second time. Losing against one of the best in Light Heavyweight doesn't mean they're weaker already.

As for Beterbiev's next move, fighting Benavides might be an option, but I still believe that no one in their division can beat Beterbiev except for Bivol himself.

I agree with you that Bivol and Beterbiev are the strongest welterweights in the world right now and although Benavides also has great stats at 29-0, Bivol and Beterbiev could very well beat him.
Bivol's team has appealed the suspension of the referee who scored it 116-112 for Beterbiev.
I think that Beterbiev is definitely ready for a rematch, because now Beterbiev has confidence that he can beat Bivol, but with Benavides I think it's a question of the fee, which should be more than the 10-20 million that Beterbiev got for the first match.

[stadus]

Bivol's team has appealed the suspension of the referee who scored it 116-112 for Beterbiev.

Seriously, did I miss something? Since when does the referee score in boxing? Hopefully, this is just a typo, because otherwise, I’ll blame myself for not keeping up with the new rules. Anyway, a rematch is definitely necessary, especially since fans are split on what they saw. If Beterbiev wins the rematch, he needs to make it convincing so there’s no need for a trilogy.

[Polkeins]

Bivol's team has appealed the suspension of the referee who scored it 116-112 for Beterbiev.

Seriously, did I miss something? Since when does the referee score in boxing? Hopefully, this is just a typo, because otherwise, I’ll blame myself for not keeping up with the new rules. Anyway, a rematch is definitely necessary, especially since fans are split on what they saw. If Beterbiev wins the rematch, he needs to make it convincing so there’s no need for a trilogy.

The result of the match can not be denied, it seems that there was no such case in history, but the point is that Bivol's team wants the referee who put 116-112 in favor of Beterbiev to be held accountable.
https://www.boxingnews24.com/2024/10/dmitry-bivols-team-to-file-protest-over-defeat/
“'We're going to file a protest on Monday. I think the judge has to at least have some kind of responsibility for what he did,” said Bivol's manager, Vadim Kornilov, to BoxNation. The reason Bivol lost wasn't because of the judge, who had it 8-4 for Beterbiev.”

I think also they did it for the future rematch if this is can be done so that in case of a rematch there will be no more such biased decisions of the judges as in the last fight.

[l99l]

The referees' votes were extraordinary. This match could have been a draw at best.
I think Beterbiev won one or two rounds in total. Beterbiev did not give the audience the feeling of winning the match throughout the fight.
Although the match was good in terms of viewing pleasure, in my opinion it was not a fair vote.

[Dave1]

The referees' votes were extraordinary. This match could have been a draw at best.
I think Beterbiev won one or two rounds in total. Beterbiev did not give the audience the feeling of winning the match throughout the fight.
Although the match was good in terms of viewing pleasure, in my opinion it was not a fair vote.

He admitted it already that he is not satisfied with his performance,

“Did you feel like you were slowing him with your power as the fight went on?” he was asked in the ring afterwards.

“No,” said Beterbiev, now 21-0 (20). “Because I was not delivering one punch.”

“When the final bell rang, did you think you did enough to win the fight?”

“Yes, but for me it’s uncomfortable because usually I’m not waiting for the (final) bell. But today I’m even lucky too.”

“Your corner, before the 10th round, said to you, ‘You need to knock him out.’ Were you surprised to hear that?”

“They always say that,” said Beterbiev, laughing.

“Did that make you any more aggressive going into those final two rounds?”

“More focused, not aggressive.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/artur-beterbiev-didnt-like-fight-still-beats-brilliant-dmitry-bivol--186444

And if he is not, then we hope that Bob Arum will want a rematch with Bivol. Eddie Hearn is fuming about the result and for some boxing analyst, I see them saying that it could have been a very close fight and a draw might be the best. But there was one judges who favors and give Beterbiev a 4 point win, which is really not the majority of us see in this fight.

[Kemarit]

Bivol's team has appealed the suspension of the referee who scored it 116-112 for Beterbiev.

Seriously, did I miss something? Since when does the referee score in boxing? Hopefully, this is just a typo, because otherwise, I’ll blame myself for not keeping up with the new rules.

LOL, it's just probably a typo, referee doesn't score the fight, we have 3 judges who look to score the fight and hopefully it's not a biased scoring. But one judge here score the bout in favor of Beterbiev by a lopsided 4 points.

Anyway, a rematch is definitely necessary, especially since fans are split on what they saw. If Beterbiev wins the rematch, he needs to make it convincing so there’s no need for a trilogy.

Exactly, we can compare this to the first GGG vs Canelo fight, it's somewhat controversial as we have thought that GGG did enough to win the fight, but it did end up in a draw. But here Beterbiev won but still very controversial that we are all divided or somewhat large portion of us see that Bivol should have won the fight or at least the fight should be a draw. So there should be a rematch to settle the controversy. If Beterbiev won convincingly then it's 2-0 and a trilogy is not needed. But if Bivol makes the score 1-1, then we should be expected a final fight between this two.

[bbc.reporter]

This fight exposes Beterbiev; he isnot really that invincible against a tough fighter like Bivol who knows how to counter and how to pace himselves and with good technical skills he had a hardtime knocking out Bivol. I am also one agreeing that the fight should have gone through Bivol's way but its better for the fight to be a draw.

The rematch will be another exciting event to watch, There will be a lot of adjustment between the two camps, I consider this a fight of the year candidate as both fighters od not have a clear advantage during the fight.

You have made a headshaking argument without considering that Bivol is also a champion in light heavyweight division and also who defeated Canelo. Did you expect that Beterbiev can give Bivol a knockout easily? Did you also see the odds on the sportsbooks? Beterbiev was the underdog for this fight. Much of the boxing analysts thought Bivol would have the victory hehehehe. However, it was Beterbiev who exposed Bivol with his pressure and his powerful punches to the body of Bivol. No one has done this to him before. I reckon Canelo tried a similar tactic on Bivol but he was not successful. It was Beterbiev who has done a similar tactic and he was successful.

[FinneysTrueVision]

Seriously, did I miss something? Since when does the referee score in boxing? Hopefully, this is just a typo, because otherwise, I’ll blame myself for not keeping up with the new rules. Anyway, a rematch is definitely necessary, especially since fans are split on what they saw. If Beterbiev wins the rematch, he needs to make it convincing so there’s no need for a trilogy.

Referees scoring a fight used to be common but not so much anymore. In the UK, referees are the only ones who score a fight if it is a non-title fight. The fights in Saudi Arabia were sanctioned by the BBofC but they did not use the British rules and instead they had three judges scoring fights.

Now that Beterbiev has had 12 full rounds to study Bivol, he will not be off to such a slow start in the rematch. Bivol does not have as much room for improvement and so I feel that Beterbiev will win more convincingly if there’s a second fight.

[TopTort777]

What I like about their fight, that after results were announced, nobody start throwing poop and dirty talks. Nobody said that opponent cheated, judges stole victory, got robbed and so on. Both had great respect towards each other. I think that both will be ready for a rematch and both find each others opponent as an interesting challenge that they would repeat. I think I would be right to say that everyone wants a rematch now

[Questat]

What I like about their fight, that after results were announced, nobody start throwing poop and dirty talks. Nobody said that opponent cheated, judges stole victory, got robbed and so on. Both had great respect towards each other. I think that both will be ready for a rematch and both find each others opponent as an interesting challenge that they would repeat. I think I would be right to say that everyone wants a rematch now

If there was any fighter who had reason to complain, it would’ve been Bivol, but he didn’t. He just showed how professional he is as a boxer and respected Beterbiev, accepting the defeat with grace, even though the fans were divided. I’m not sure about the latest developments or if a rematch is in the works, but if it happens, I’m sure fans would love to see it again. There was never a dull moment in their fight- they don’t talk much, but it’s like fireworks when they step into the ring. Fans were definitely satisfied seeing all the rounds of that bout.

[Polkeins]

Bivol's team has appealed the suspension of the referee who scored it 116-112 for Beterbiev.

Seriously, did I miss something? Since when does the referee score in boxing? Hopefully, this is just a typo, because otherwise, I’ll blame myself for not keeping up with the new rules.

LOL, it's just probably a typo, referee doesn't score the fight, we have 3 judges who look to score the fight and hopefully it's not a biased scoring. But one judge here score the bout in favor of Beterbiev by a lopsided 4 points.

Anyway, a rematch is definitely necessary, especially since fans are split on what they saw. If Beterbiev wins the rematch, he needs to make it convincing so there’s no need for a trilogy.

Exactly, we can compare this to the first GGG vs Canelo fight, it's somewhat controversial as we have thought that GGG did enough to win the fight, but it did end up in a draw. But here Beterbiev won but still very controversial that we are all divided or somewhat large portion of us see that Bivol should have won the fight or at least the fight should be a draw. So there should be a rematch to settle the controversy. If Beterbiev won convincingly then it's 2-0 and a trilogy is not needed. But if Bivol makes the score 1-1, then we should be expected a final fight between this two.

It's very good that you remembered the Canelo and GGG fight, because it seems that just after their first fight then suspended the judge who awarded the victory by a large margin to Canelo, I think her name was Adelaide Byrd. So here the situation is similar and apparently Bivol's team wants to do the same with this referee, so that at least he will be suspended from serious matches, if the result can not be changed.

[pawel7777]

Here are the statistics of the total punches thrown and landed for each of them. These seem to be the most quoted ones, so hopefully the most accurate, but I've seen some post-fight video analysis quoting significantly different figures, so who knows.

Either way, it looks like Artur managed to convince judges with the volume alone rather than accuracy. I believe good defence should have been counted in Bivol's favour but it doesn't look like that was the case in this fight.

[bbc.reporter]

Either way, it looks like Artur managed to convince judges with the volume alone rather than accuracy. I believe good defence should have been counted in Bivol's favour but it doesn't look like that was the case in this fight.

This is the argument that I have created in this thread before the fight! However, if you were watching the fight, it very much appeared that Beterbiev had more stronger punches thrown on Bivol. Also, it was the forceful pressure that Beterbiev has created. This has forced Bivol to walk backward and cornered by Beterbiev on the rope. Bivol has also appeared to not be very comfortable against Beterbiev.

This is a very good performance for Beterbiev and a not very good performance for Bivol if we consider that Beterbiev is 39 years old already and he had a knee surgery before this fight.

[Yaunfitda]

What I like about their fight, that after results were announced, nobody start throwing poop and dirty talks. Nobody said that opponent cheated, judges stole victory, got robbed and so on. Both had great respect towards each other. I think that both will be ready for a rematch and both find each others opponent as an interesting challenge that they would repeat. I think I would be right to say that everyone wants a rematch now

Yes, what Beterbiev says that he is not satisfied with his performance, and Bivol says he accept what the decision of the judges. So there is respect in both of them and maybe since both are Russians, that could be the very reason why there is no finger pointing or accusations after that fight. For sure, both could be ready for a rematch and it HE Turki could have been working with that already. This is still very controversial ending, it can go either way as we have said. That's why it's really good to have a rematch next year, and hopefully both are willing to make another round of their fight. And we might see new strategies like Bivol should be really let his hands go or Beterbiev going in for a knockout win.

[Kemarit]

Bivol's team has appealed the suspension of the referee who scored it 116-112 for Beterbiev.

Seriously, did I miss something? Since when does the referee score in boxing? Hopefully, this is just a typo, because otherwise, I’ll blame myself for not keeping up with the new rules.

LOL, it's just probably a typo, referee doesn't score the fight, we have 3 judges who look to score the fight and hopefully it's not a biased scoring. But one judge here score the bout in favor of Beterbiev by a lopsided 4 points.

Anyway, a rematch is definitely necessary, especially since fans are split on what they saw. If Beterbiev wins the rematch, he needs to make it convincing so there’s no need for a trilogy.

Exactly, we can compare this to the first GGG vs Canelo fight, it's somewhat controversial as we have thought that GGG did enough to win the fight, but it did end up in a draw. But here Beterbiev won but still very controversial that we are all divided or somewhat large portion of us see that Bivol should have won the fight or at least the fight should be a draw. So there should be a rematch to settle the controversy. If Beterbiev won convincingly then it's 2-0 and a trilogy is not needed. But if Bivol makes the score 1-1, then we should be expected a final fight between this two.

It's very good that you remembered the Canelo and GGG fight, because it seems that just after their first fight then suspended the judge who awarded the victory by a large margin to Canelo, I think her name was Adelaide Byrd. So here the situation is similar and apparently Bivol's team wants to do the same with this referee, so that at least he will be suspended from serious matches, if the result can not be changed.

Yes, no one could forget about the scoring on the fight GGG vs Canelo fight, and as I have said, GGG could have been rewarded by the win, but the judges really screw him up and had the fight on a draw.

So in this case, it should be at least a draw for me, but there is one judges who awarded Beterbiev with a 4 point swing. And someone already posted the numbers in this fight and as we can see numbers don't lie as Bivol is ahead. Hopefully that referee that has given the fight ot Beterbiev should be investigated and then suspended from judging big fights again in the future.

[freedomgo]

Yes, no one could forget about the scoring on the fight GGG vs Canelo fight, and as I have said, GGG could have been rewarded by the win, but the judges really screw him up and had the fight on a draw.

So in this case, it should be at least a draw for me, but there is one judges who awarded Beterbiev with a 4 point swing. And someone already posted the numbers in this fight and as we can see numbers don't lie as Bivol is ahead. Hopefully that referee that has given the fight ot Beterbiev should be investigated and then suspended from judging big fights again in the future.

Bivol's camp is free to complain if they feel cheated, but the easiest way to settle this is with a rematch. I’m sure the promoter would love to do it again since the hype is still alive after that controversial decision by the judges. These fighters are warriors, they don’t want it settled on paper but in the ring. So, let’s get that rematch soon, maybe early next year, and see who really wins. Maybe with a new set of judges to make it fairer.

[coin-investor]

Yes, no one could forget about the scoring on the fight GGG vs Canelo fight, and as I have said, GGG could have been rewarded by the win, but the judges really screw him up and had the fight on a draw.

So in this case, it should be at least a draw for me, but there is one judges who awarded Beterbiev with a 4 point swing. And someone already posted the numbers in this fight and as we can see numbers don't lie as Bivol is ahead. Hopefully that referee that has given the fight ot Beterbiev should be investigated and then suspended from judging big fights again in the future.

Bivol's camp is free to complain if they feel cheated, but the easiest way to settle this is with a rematch. I’m sure the promoter would love to do it again since the hype is still alive after that controversial decision by the judges. These fighters are warriors, they don’t want it settled on paper but in the ring. So, let’s get that rematch soon, maybe early next year, and see who really wins. Maybe with a new set of judges to make it fairer.

Bivol has taken the result like a true gentleman; he even congratulated Beterbiev and offered no excuse for his performance. Its the people that have watched the match that are not comfortable with the match; even his Highness Turki was not convinced with the results and he had Bivol leading by two rtounds after the fight.
Its good and we welcome a rematch, The match is not only entertaining but a real treat the boxing community. We all know the boxing community loves to see hard contested match, hopefully we'll read the announcement of the rematch it seems both boxers are ok with the rematch.
I have this feeling that we will have a trilogy because both fighters are capable of winning against each other.