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[Catenaccio]

I would imagine that some investors who have been in the market for less than 4 years can be considered new investors. It takes a long time to accumulate Bitcoin in particular. If you reach the excess savings level in the middle of 1 cycle, you can sell if you want. But you have not reached your savings target and you have made some money and you want to sell and take a profit, this is never a sign of an investor but a sign of a trader. It is not right to sell your holdings until the time limit or until you reach the excess savings.

It's not important to argue or debate about term definitions of new and experienced investors. Definitions are definitions in theory, in dictionary and on paper, but they don't decide your investment results. In fact, what you actually did in the market, with your portfolio, do decide your investment results.

If you, assumed by defintion, as a new investor with less than 4 years of experience in Bitcoin market, but you practice well - just by luck or by your good undersanding - you get profit from your investment.

Another investor with more years of experience than you, but still did not manage his actions and psychological control, will do bad decisions even in a market bull run, then might end with loss or less profit than what you got.

Psychology of market cycles.
Bitcoin market cycles.

[DubemIfedigbo001]

Long term is 10-12 years maybe a bit long. If an investor wants to withdraw profits and increase the amount of real assets within four years (one cycle), then it can be realistic for him . Instead of withdrawing his entire investment. If his profit amount in one cycle is more than he thought during the period of regular DCA method. For some reason, the possibility that the price of Bitcoin may fall should be considered in the investment thinking and you may be better off removing funds equal to the profit from the capital after a cycle.
Continuous DCA strategy and accumulation will continue and there is a strong desire to increase your assets from profits. I think selling Bitcoin before the completion of a four-year cycle is a trading mentality, so the long term should be 4-10 years.

I would imagine that some investors who have been in the market for less than 4 years can be considered new investors. It takes a long time to accumulate Bitcoin in particular. If you reach the excess savings level in the middle of 1 cycle, you can sell if you want. But you have not reached your savings target and you have made some money and you want to sell and take a profit, this is never a sign of an investor but a sign of a trader. It is not right to sell your holdings until the time limit or until you reach the excess savings.

When in overaccumulation phase of your investment, without the termination of your holding period. It is not the wisest of all decisions to sell off. There is still such a thing as resetting your target and going back into accumulation again and getting yet a bigger quantity before the termination of your holding period. The more quantities you get, the more profits you would likely enjoy. Again, your investment may not even be in good profits at the time of your reaching over accumulation, hence the more need to hold longer so that you can give your investment more time to appreciate before you start taking profits.

Remember bitcoin is more profitable on a long-term drive, so in over accumulation stage, you can decide to stop DCAing consistently and only target dips to increase your portfolio or even set a higher target and get back into the accumulation stage until you exhaust your holding period. Selling when is not of your own choosing because you reached your target too soon is not a wise investment decision.

[noormcs5]

Investors should be focused on adding more Bitcoin to their portfolio and not removing from it since the more the quantity, the more your profitability potential.. instead of selling some BTC, which might lead to selling too much BTC too soon, it's better to keep accumulating. I've learned that in BTC accumulation, it's more profitable to be a farmer, cultivate by continuous purchases, add to your portfolio and wait for the termination of your holding period to decide how to take profits, rather than being a hunter and always target short-term profits to satisfy your greed.

When we know that the bitcoin supply is fixed, and at some point, there will be a time when owning even a 0.1 BTC would not be so easy. So I think we should keep on accumulating as much bitcoin as we can without thinking about these bitcoin 4-year cycles or the bitcoin bear market / Bull market. When you buy a bitcoin and move it to your wallet, you're owning something precious, which is going to be scarce. With this mindset  you will never be tempted to sell and with every purchase, it gives you a lot of satisfaction.

[Churchillvv]

This method will increase your financial resilience and security. Bitcoin continuous accumulation and compounded buying tend to decrease UP price, the longer you keep depositing. A reminder for you to understand the positive signs of Bitcoin future while it is in the market and apply the dollar cost averaging (DCA) method.

The question now is, when should we sell it..? Of course everyone has what is called a need at any time.

Talking about selling is more of a trading and can lead people to wrong direction, the longer you keep accumulating the more profit you get , so selling shouldn’t be your major concern

Yeah everyone has a need at every given time that is why it’s alway advisable to have a reserve fund or emergency fund , it helps you sort out urgent needs with that selling your Bitcoin won’t be necessary and can be kept for a longer time with a good profit overly .

Anyone planning on selling bitcoin assets is absolutely a trader and not an investor, An investor should be more concerned about building a portfolio and continue accumulating consistently to achieve a desired set goal, it isn’t a good idea to sell before prior to over accumulation which is considerably 10yrs it is more sensible to accumulate within this period of time and hodl.
And it is totally wrong for a newbie or a low coiner to be interested in making profit that would definitely cause distractions from accumulating bitcoin, having interest in making profits this are characteristic of a trader and not an investor, Bitcoin is quite the most reliable and secured means of investing that is why it is mandatory to invest in Bitcoin and accumulate consistently for a long term goal.

You sound like there is no way to be successful in life financially if not bitcoin however bitcoin is one of the best assets to preserve value if not the best to even appreciate in value however, it's only good we preserve our assets in bitcoin, if we lack motivation to do such then the shifts of institutions and governments wanting to hold a crazy amount of bitcoin should be our motivation to accumulate more now that we are still able to do so and hold it.

Additionally, taking profit mindset or selling shouldn't be much of our concerns aylt this point because I believe/presume that almost everyone here have reach a stage of over accumulation which will lead one to think of sustainable withdrawal practices but hence we should engage more on means of increasing the stash we have.

[michellee]

The question now is, when should we sell it..? Of course everyone has what is called a need at any time.

Talking about selling is more of a trading and can lead people to wrong direction, the longer you keep accumulating the more profit you get , so selling shouldn’t be your major concern

Yeah everyone has a need at every given time that is why it’s alway advisable to have a reserve fund or emergency fund , it helps you sort out urgent needs with that selling your Bitcoin won’t be necessary and can be kept for a longer time with a good profit overly .

Anyone planning on selling bitcoin assets is absolutely a trader and not an investor, An investor should be more concerned about building a portfolio and continue accumulating consistently to achieve a desired set goal, it isn’t a good idea to sell before prior to over accumulation which is considerably 10yrs it is more sensible to accumulate within this period of time and hodl.
And it is totally wrong for a newbie or a low coiner to be interested in making profit that would definitely cause distractions from accumulating bitcoin, having interest in making profits this are characteristic of a trader and not an investor, Bitcoin is quite the most reliable and secured means of investing that is why it is mandatory to invest in Bitcoin and accumulate consistently for a long term goal.

When we will sell Bitcoin will depend on each person because they should have a plan about the time to sell and take profit. Yes, an investor just concern how to build his portfolio and maybe he want to give his Bitcoin as his legacy to his children and his descendants. So we will have a different time to sell Bitcoin and still hodl if that time is not come.

They can enjoy the profit from Bitcoin after they invested for some years, let say 10-15 years or even 20 years later. At that time, they should have many Bitcoin if not 1 full of Bitcoin. So when Bitcoin price reach the very highest price, they can sell some portion and still hodl the rest of Bitcoin amount and accumulate for more.

Selling your Bitcoin is easy but the difficult thing is keep buying Bitcoin using DCA. Someone can lose his focus when he tempting to see his profit and want to take it. But if he realize that he can take the profit in the future especially if he can reach 1 Bitcoin. That will be a very big profit for him. So right now, he just focus on accumulating more Bitcoin before the time is end.

[Barikui1]

Long term is 10-12 years maybe a bit long. If an investor wants to withdraw profits and increase the amount of real assets within four years (one cycle), then it can be realistic for him . Instead of withdrawing his entire investment. If his profit amount in one cycle is more than he thought during the period of regular DCA method. For some reason, the possibility that the price of Bitcoin may fall should be considered in the investment thinking and you may be better off removing funds equal to the profit from the capital after a cycle.
Continuous DCA strategy and accumulation will continue and there is a strong desire to increase your assets from profits. I think selling Bitcoin before the completion of a four-year cycle is a trading mentality, so the long term should be 4-10 years.

I would imagine that some investors who have been in the market for less than 4 years can be considered new investors. It takes a long time to accumulate Bitcoin in particular. If you reach the excess savings level in the middle of 1 cycle, you can sell if you want. But you have not reached your savings target and you have made some money and you want to sell and take a profit, this is never a sign of an investor but a sign of a trader. It is not right to sell your holdings until the time limit or until you reach the excess savings.

Over accumulation or excess savings as you called it is not an issue, what's the issue is selling some part of your Bitcoin holdings when still in your accumulation stage, but if you have past that stage, you might decide to start taking profit from your holdings, and I believe that it's definitely going to take more than 10 years of consistent investment in Bitcoin to achieve such fit, what's not easy about it is staying discipline and focus in investing consistently for such a longer duration of time like 10 years or more, but what am trying to say is that wether you have gotten to that level of over accumulation or not, as long as you are still in your accumulation stage, selling or taking profit is never an option, it's something we should avoid doing by all means.

I know that we all look, but we see differently, so many people sees 4-8 years as long term, but in my own perspective, anything below 10 years interval is short term thinking, and the best way to milk the best possible dividend from your holdings is to hold for at least three circles or more, because that when you can get the best possible result from your holdings.

[CageMabok]

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I would imagine that some investors who have been in the market for less than 4 years can be considered new investors. It takes a long time to accumulate Bitcoin in particular. If you reach the excess savings level in the middle of 1 cycle, you can sell if you want. But you have not reached your savings target and you have made some money and you want to sell and take a profit, this is never a sign of an investor but a sign of a trader. It is not right to sell your holdings until the time limit or until you reach the excess savings.

Why do you make such claims about what other people do in their way of investing? Whereas everyone has their own way and thoughts on what they want to do in order to achieve more profit after using a certain amount of capital in the past. And I also want to ask you how much Bitcoin savings someone can consider as excess savings as you mean so that everyone can know that you have a certain amount of Bitcoin to judge it as an amount that is already more in savings.

Because if you just say it like this, I think some people will also be quite confused to understand it, even though there are also new people who when buying Bitcoin can immediately be in large quantities because the person has a lot of money to use to buy Bitcoin. Is that person also not considered as someone who has enough savings for Bitcoin just because the person is still fairly new to having Bitcoin? This is clearly strange if you have such an assumption because in terms of buying Bitcoin, everyone always depends on the level of financial ability they have.

[Showlove01]

This method will increase your financial resilience and security. Bitcoin continuous accumulation and compounded buying tend to decrease UP price, the longer you keep depositing. A reminder for you to understand the positive signs of Bitcoin future while it is in the market and apply the dollar cost averaging (DCA) method.

The question now is, when should we sell it..? Of course everyone has what is called a need at any time.

Talking about selling is more of a trading and can lead people to wrong direction, the longer you keep accumulating the more profit you get , so selling shouldn’t be your major concern

Yeah everyone has a need at every given time that is why it’s alway advisable to have a reserve fund or emergency fund , it helps you sort out urgent needs with that selling your Bitcoin won’t be necessary and can be kept for a longer time with a good profit overly .

Anyone planning on selling bitcoin assets is absolutely a trader and not an investor, An investor should be more concerned about building a portfolio and continue accumulating consistently to achieve a desired set goal, it isn’t a good idea to sell before prior to over accumulation which is considerably 10yrs it is more sensible to accumulate within this period of time and hodl.
And it is totally wrong for a newbie or a low coiner to be interested in making profit that would definitely cause distractions from accumulating bitcoin, having interest in making profits this are characteristic of a trader and not an investor, Bitcoin is quite the most reliable and secured means of investing that is why it is mandatory to invest in Bitcoin and accumulate consistently for a long term goal.

Be specifying what you are saying, is not only traders that sells there Bitcoin investors do sell when they have gotten to overaccumulation stage but they sell in a very small fraction or quantity while trader's sells when they have not gotten to overaccumulation stage. Another difference between them both is that, traders sells due to fear or due to little profit they have gotten but investors doesn't sell because of fear or little profit but they sell because they have gotten to a stage where they are somehow satisfied with what they have and so even if they sell, it won't look like they touched there holding and as they are selling some piece, they are also replacing ( accumulating back) because they believe in Bitcoin.

[Gost ms]

Be specifying what you are saying, is not only traders that sells there Bitcoin investors do sell when they have gotten to overaccumulation stage but they sell in a very small fraction or quantity while trader's sells when they have not gotten to overaccumulation stage. Another difference between them both is that, traders sells due to fear or due to little profit they have gotten but investors doesn't sell because of fear or little profit but they sell because they have gotten to a stage where they are somehow satisfied with what they have and so even if they sell, it won't look like they touched there holding and as they are selling some piece, they are also replacing ( accumulating back) because they believe in Bitcoin.

Although buying or selling is everyone's own choice. But what I want to say is that selling holdings before the expiration of the term will not be the right approach. An investor has the goal of investing for the future. Again, many people invest in Bitcoin with the goal of buying a car or a house. For example, someone invests some amount of money in Bitcoin to buy a house 10 years from now, many people invest in this way.

Yes, in many cases, you can enjoy profit by selling holdings before the expiration of the term. For example, if a person does not have people to take care of him or does not have money to treat him, he can sell his holdings if he wants.

[Bd officer]

When we know that the bitcoin supply is fixed, and at some point, there will be a time when owning even a 0.1 BTC would not be so easy.

You are right, I believe Bitcoin will cost $1 million at some point in the future. When the price of 1 bitcoin reaches 1 million dollars, the price of 0.1 BTC will be $100k dollars, which will be very difficult for many to buy at once, currently 0.1 BTC price is 10k plus, it is not possible for many people to buy at once right now. Now the price of Bitcoin in the past was low, so focusing on past prices will only have to be regretted, so always focus on the future and continue investing faithfully. Now the best way to invest is to deposit bitcoins in DCA method. However, to invest in Bitcoin, you need to plan for the long term, the longer you hold Bitcoin, the more profit you can make.

[SuperBitMan]

This method will increase your financial resilience and security. Bitcoin continuous accumulation and compounded buying tend to decrease UP price, the longer you keep depositing. A reminder for you to understand the positive signs of Bitcoin future while it is in the market and apply the dollar cost averaging (DCA) method.

The question now is, when should we sell it..? Of course everyone has what is called a need at any time.

Talking about selling is more of a trading and can lead people to wrong direction, the longer you keep accumulating the more profit you get , so selling shouldn’t be your major concern

Yeah everyone has a need at every given time that is why it’s alway advisable to have a reserve fund or emergency fund , it helps you sort out urgent needs with that selling your Bitcoin won’t be necessary and can be kept for a longer time with a good profit overly .

Anyone planning on selling bitcoin assets is absolutely a trader and not an investor, An investor should be more concerned about building a portfolio and continue accumulating consistently to achieve a desired set goal, it isn’t a good idea to sell before prior to over accumulation which is considerably 10yrs it is more sensible to accumulate within this period of time and hodl.
And it is totally wrong for a newbie or a low coiner to be interested in making profit that would definitely cause distractions from accumulating bitcoin, having interest in making profits this are characteristic of a trader and not an investor, Bitcoin is quite the most reliable and secured means of investing that is why it is mandatory to invest in Bitcoin and accumulate consistently for a long term goal.

Be specifying what you are saying, is not only traders that sells there Bitcoin investors do sell when they have gotten to overaccumulation stage but they sell in a very small fraction or quantity while trader's sells when they have not gotten to overaccumulation stage. Another difference between them both is that, traders sells due to fear or due to little profit they have gotten but investors doesn't sell because of fear or little profit but they sell because they have gotten to a stage where they are somehow satisfied with what they have and so even if they sell, it won't look like they touched there holding and as they are selling some piece, they are also replacing ( accumulating back) because they believe in Bitcoin.

The difference between traders and investors are

1. Time Horizon:
A trader holds Bitcoin for short term only, they invest when the price of Bitcoin is low and when is high they sell immediately and make there profit, But an investor holds bitcoin for a very long time, an investor keeps accumulating and holding Bitcoin till they over accumulate and then they start selling base on there selling strategy adopted.

2. Risk:
Traders are high risk takes because trading is very risky, sometimes they predict about Bitcoin price and get it wrongly and that is how there money is being used some traders quit because of this But those that invest for long term has less risk the volatile nature of Bitcoin really don't affect them.

[Emjay24]

This method will increase your financial resilience and security. Bitcoin continuous accumulation and compounded buying tend to decrease UP price, the longer you keep depositing. A reminder for you to understand the positive signs of Bitcoin future while it is in the market and apply the dollar cost averaging (DCA) method.

The question now is, when should we sell it..? Of course everyone has what is called a need at any time.

Talking about selling is more of a trading and can lead people to wrong direction, the longer you keep accumulating the more profit you get , so selling shouldn’t be your major concern

Yeah everyone has a need at every given time that is why it’s alway advisable to have a reserve fund or emergency fund , it helps you sort out urgent needs with that selling your Bitcoin won’t be necessary and can be kept for a longer time with a good profit overly .

Anyone planning on selling bitcoin assets is absolutely a trader and not an investor, An investor should be more concerned about building a portfolio and continue accumulating consistently to achieve a desired set goal, it isn’t a good idea to sell before prior to over accumulation which is considerably 10yrs it is more sensible to accumulate within this period of time and hodl.
And it is totally wrong for a newbie or a low coiner to be interested in making profit that would definitely cause distractions from accumulating bitcoin, having interest in making profits this are characteristic of a trader and not an investor, Bitcoin is quite the most reliable and secured means of investing that is why it is mandatory to invest in Bitcoin and accumulate consistently for a long term goal.

Over accumulation stage of bitcoin investment is not measured in length of time, rather, it is measured in the quantity by which your stash is bigger than your accumulation target. In the start of your accumulating bitcoin, you should have a target quantity of bitcoin which you are cut out to accumulate. When you accumulate past that initial target within your holding period, you are said to be in your over accumulation stage, the length of years you are set to hold is your holding period, 10 years is a good time frame, but you an exceed it if you are still very much younger.

if you set out to accumulate like 10BTC for example, and within your holding period, you successfully acquire 12.5BTC, then you are above your initial target by 2.5BTC and as such you are in your over accumulation stage.

[Proty]

This method will increase your financial resilience and security. Bitcoin continuous accumulation and compounded buying tend to decrease UP price, the longer you keep depositing. A reminder for you to understand the positive signs of Bitcoin future while it is in the market and apply the dollar cost averaging (DCA) method.

The question now is, when should we sell it..? Of course everyone has what is called a need at any time.

Talking about selling is more of a trading and can lead people to wrong direction, the longer you keep accumulating the more profit you get , so selling shouldn’t be your major concern

Yeah everyone has a need at every given time that is why it’s alway advisable to have a reserve fund or emergency fund , it helps you sort out urgent needs with that selling your Bitcoin won’t be necessary and can be kept for a longer time with a good profit overly .

Anyone planning on selling bitcoin assets is absolutely a trader and not an investor, An investor should be more concerned about building a portfolio and continue accumulating consistently to achieve a desired set goal, it isn’t a good idea to sell before prior to over accumulation which is considerably 10yrs it is more sensible to accumulate within this period of time and hodl.
And it is totally wrong for a newbie or a low coiner to be interested in making profit that would definitely cause distractions from accumulating bitcoin, having interest in making profits this are characteristic of a trader and not an investor, Bitcoin is quite the most reliable and secured means of investing that is why it is mandatory to invest in Bitcoin and accumulate consistently for a long term goal.

I believe it is quite wrong to generalized that anyone who is planning to sell bitcoin is a traders reason being that there are investors who has being holding bitcoin for more than years and has accumulated a good enough that is to say they have accumulated a reasonable amount of bitcoin in their portfolio.so if such investors should decide to be taking profits from their bitcoin investment I see nothing wrong with it.
  It is those investors that are barley new into bitcoin and begin to option for sale whenever there holding is in profit should be term traders because there motive is to make quick profit and as such they are gambling with bitcoin instead of investing for a long term and hold until they have a good amount of bitcoin in their portfolio.

[JayJuanGee]

Long term is 10-12 years maybe a bit long. If an investor wants to withdraw profits and increase the amount of real assets within four years (one cycle), then it can be realistic for him . Instead of withdrawing his entire investment. If his profit amount in one cycle is more than he thought during the period of regular DCA method. For some reason, the possibility that the price of Bitcoin may fall should be considered in the investment thinking and you may be better off removing funds equal to the profit from the capital after a cycle.
Continuous DCA strategy and accumulation will continue and there is a strong desire to increase your assets from profits. I think selling Bitcoin before the completion of a four-year cycle is a trading mentality, so the long term should be 4-10 years.

I would imagine that some investors who have been in the market for less than 4 years can be considered new investors. It takes a long time to accumulate Bitcoin in particular. If you reach the excess savings level in the middle of 1 cycle, you can sell if you want. But you have not reached your savings target and you have made some money and you want to sell and take a profit, this is never a sign of an investor but a sign of a trader. It is not right to sell your holdings until the time limit or until you reach the excess savings.

There seems to be a bit of a time factor in investing too... even though sure we can imagine cases in which someone might have had accumulated a sufficient amount (and even more than enough) bitcoin in less than 4 years... yet many folks are not able to frontload and/or able to lump sum invest into bitcoin so much, so it does not seem very practical to be talking about the exceptional situations rather than the more common situation that is may well take 1-2 cycles or more for most normal people to even be able to invest a whole years of expenses (or their income which is a higher amount) into bitcoin.. .and then if during that one or two cycles, then there has also been time that passes, opportunities for BTC prices to appreciate and even the value of the investment to compound, which then tends to give more options to the person investing in regards to how to manage his bitcoin investment, and whether it is mostly holding onto the bitcoin, then that would seem to be investing, but if the person is mostly cashing out, then that seems like trading rather than investing.

[Jostern]

Long term is 10-12 years maybe a bit long. If an investor wants to withdraw profits and increase the amount of real assets within four years (one cycle), then it can be realistic for him . Instead of withdrawing his entire investment. If his profit amount in one cycle is more than he thought during the period of regular DCA method. For some reason, the possibility that the price of Bitcoin may fall should be considered in the investment thinking and you may be better off removing funds equal to the profit from the capital after a cycle.
Continuous DCA strategy and accumulation will continue and there is a strong desire to increase your assets from profits. I think selling Bitcoin before the completion of a four-year cycle is a trading mentality, so the long term should be 4-10 years.

I would imagine that some investors who have been in the market for less than 4 years can be considered new investors. It takes a long time to accumulate Bitcoin in particular. If you reach the excess savings level in the middle of 1 cycle, you can sell if you want. But you have not reached your savings target and you have made some money and you want to sell and take a profit, this is never a sign of an investor but a sign of a trader. It is not right to sell your holdings until the time limit or until you reach the excess savings.

There seems to be a bit of a time factor in investing too... even though sure we can imagine cases in which someone might have had accumulated a sufficient amount (and even more than enough) bitcoin in less than 4 years... yet many folks are not able to frontload and/or able to lump sum invest into bitcoin so much, so it does not seem very practical to be talking about the exceptional situations rather than the more common situation that is may well take 1-2 cycles or more for most normal people to even be able to invest a whole years of expenses (or their income which is a higher amount) into bitcoin.. .and then if during that one or two cycles, then there has also been time that passes, opportunities for BTC prices to appreciate and even the value of the investment to compound, which then tends to give more options to the person investing in regards to how to manage his bitcoin investment, and whether it is mostly holding onto the bitcoin, then that would seem to be investing, but if the person is mostly cashing out, then that seems like trading rather than investing.

I like how you specified and laid out emphasis on how important time is when making investments, I’ve come across situations where some investors have been able to accumulate a large quantity of Bitcoin because they were more aggressive in accumulating and building there portfolio even before completing a full circle, but it is never a good idea to be thinking about trading in that situation, in some cases most people even find it very difficult to accumulate sometimes because of their income and lack of capital management, but it’ is necessary to grab every opportunity to continue accumulating even when there seems to be a downturn in the market it also provides opportunities to increase our accumulation and build portfolio confidently whichever way it goes that someone successfully build a portfolio before the estimated period it is just better to continue accumulating and holding onto your Bitcoin. People who are mostly interested in cashing out Bitcoin when there is profit are traders and not an investor.

[Salahmu]

I would imagine that some investors who have been in the market for less than 4 years can be considered new investors. It takes a long time to accumulate Bitcoin in particular. If you reach the excess savings level in the middle of 1 cycle, you can sell if you want. But you have not reached your savings target and you have made some money and you want to sell and take a profit, this is never a sign of an investor but a sign of a trader. It is not right to sell your holdings until the time limit or until you reach the excess savings.

Ten years is too big to call someone a new investor because for me I don't think that's how such should be addressed, a new investor is someone who just came into Bitcoin investment within months or highest one year but anything more than two is no longer new because you have learned all the things you Never knew before and that makes you now different from someone who doesn't understand Bitcoin investment yet, actually there are people who only spent four years in investing on Bitcoin but if you see their portfolio they are like people who has been investing for ten years and you cannot see them as new investor.

[JayJuanGee]

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There seems to be a bit of a time factor in investing too... even though sure we can imagine cases in which someone might have had accumulated a sufficient amount (and even more than enough) bitcoin in less than 4 years... yet many folks are not able to frontload and/or able to lump sum invest into bitcoin so much, so it does not seem very practical to be talking about the exceptional situations rather than the more common situation that is may well take 1-2 cycles or more for most normal people to even be able to invest a whole years of expenses (or their income which is a higher amount) into bitcoin.. .and then if during that one or two cycles, then there has also been time that passes, opportunities for BTC prices to appreciate and even the value of the investment to compound, which then tends to give more options to the person investing in regards to how to manage his bitcoin investment, and whether it is mostly holding onto the bitcoin, then that would seem to be investing, but if the person is mostly cashing out, then that seems like trading rather than investing.

I like how you specified and laid out emphasis on how important time is when making investments, I’ve come across situations where some investors have been able to accumulate a large quantity of Bitcoin because they were more aggressive in accumulating and building there portfolio even before completing a full circle, but it is never a good idea to be thinking about trading in that situation, in some cases most people even find it very difficult to accumulate sometimes because of their income and lack of capital management, but it’ is necessary to grab every opportunity to continue accumulating even when there seems to be a downturn in the market it also provides opportunities to increase our accumulation and build portfolio confidently whichever way it goes that someone successfully build a portfolio before the estimated period it is just better to continue accumulating and holding onto your Bitcoin. People who are mostly interested in cashing out Bitcoin when there is profit are traders and not an investor.

It is difficult to quantify how much is enough, and so frequently I talk about investing a whole year's of a person's income into bitcoin as a likely good measure of potentially starting to get to a point of investing enough, yet at the same time, if a guy invests a year of his income into bitcoin and bitcoin prices 10x, then that person has 10x the size of his income invested into bitcoin, yet at the same time, bitcoin tends to be quite volatile so we may well be measuring the value of the bitcoin holdings from the 200-WMA rather than from the spot price, so I have frequently suggested that a person who can measure the value of his bitcoin  from the 200-WMA and he has 10 years of his target income for the value of his bitcoin using the 200-WMA, then he is at the beginning stages of having had accumulated enough and/or more than enough, and I still have troubles imagining how guys might get to that level of overaccumulation within less than a whole 4 year cycle... so frequently there is both a need for a passage of time and also for significant amount of either ongoing investment or perhaps some various lump sum investments along the way.

I would imagine that some investors who have been in the market for less than 4 years can be considered new investors. It takes a long time to accumulate Bitcoin in particular. If you reach the excess savings level in the middle of 1 cycle, you can sell if you want. But you have not reached your savings target and you have made some money and you want to sell and take a profit, this is never a sign of an investor but a sign of a trader. It is not right to sell your holdings until the time limit or until you reach the excess savings.

Ten years is too big to call someone a new investor because for me I don't think that's how such should be addressed, a new investor is someone who just came into Bitcoin investment within months or highest one year but anything more than two is no longer new because you have learned all the things you Never knew before and that makes you now different from someone who doesn't understand Bitcoin investment yet, actually there are people who only spent four years in investing on Bitcoin but if you see their portfolio they are like people who has been investing for ten years and you cannot see them as new investor.

You are correct that there are stages of bitcoin investing, yet there are a lot of folks who are still in their early BTC accumulation times even after 4 years of investing into bitcoin, and surely some of them might not have had treated bitcoin seriously in the beginning and may well had gotten distracted into trading and/or shitcoins, so surely they may take a bit of time to really get into focusing on accumulating bitcoin, and so surely getting through a whole cycle might allow them to graduate from newbie status.. perhaps? perhaps?  their ability to graduate beyond newbie status likely has to do with how well they have learned, built up their bitcoin stash and also more importantly build up the strength of their cashflow management skills and back up funds.  And, yeah there are some folks who come to bitcoin and they already have strong cashflow management skills, yet they still have to adapt their cashflow management skills to bitcoin, and yeah, some  folks are faster learners than others and some folks come to bitcoin with more experience than others.

[Furious 7]

Long term is 10-12 years maybe a bit long. If an investor wants to withdraw profits and increase the amount of real assets within four years (one cycle), then it can be realistic for him. Instead of withdrawing his entire investment. If his profit amount in one cycle is more than he thought during the period of regular DCA method. For some reason, the possibility that the price of Bitcoin may fall should be considered in the investment thinking and you may be better off removing funds equal to the profit from the capital after a cycle.
Continuous DCA strategy and accumulation will continue and there is a strong desire to increase your assets from profits. I think selling Bitcoin before the completion of a four-year cycle is a trading mentality, so the long term should be 4-10 years.

The perspective depends on yourself in this case especially for bitcoin because in the end what we call long-term may not be for others and vice versa.

Regardless of whether the duration of time is considered long-term in the end as long as it is more than 1 or 2 halving rounds I think it is considered long-term so there is no need to question whether it is too long or not because it all depends on each perception.
I personally will still make this a long term but as for the investment time made it depends on my own perspective as long as I am still able to withstand then it doesn't matter if it is done for 5 years, 10 years or even more because after all when in bitcoin when the duration gets longer then the effectiveness and risk will be narrowed down so it is quite normal and very worth it to do when in bitcoin for the long term.
As long as we are able to withstand why not.

[Tonimez]

Long term is 10-12 years maybe a bit long. If an investor wants to withdraw profits and increase the amount of real assets within four years (one cycle), then it can be realistic for him. Instead of withdrawing his entire investment. If his profit amount in one cycle is more than he thought during the period of regular DCA method. For some reason, the possibility that the price of Bitcoin may fall should be considered in the investment thinking and you may be better off removing funds equal to the profit from the capital after a cycle.
Continuous DCA strategy and accumulation will continue and there is a strong desire to increase your assets from profits. I think selling Bitcoin before the completion of a four-year cycle is a trading mentality, so the long term should be 4-10 years.

The perspective depends on yourself in this case especially for bitcoin because in the end what we call long-term may not be for others and vice versa.

Regardless of whether the duration of time is considered long-term in the end as long as it is more than 1 or 2 halving rounds I think it is considered long-term so there is no need to question whether it is too long or not because it all depends on each perception.
I personally will still make this a long term but as for the investment time made it depends on my own perspective as long as I am still able to withstand then it doesn't matter if it is done for 5 years, 10 years or even more because after all when in bitcoin when the duration gets longer then the effectiveness and risk will be narrowed down so it is quite normal and very worth it to do when in bitcoin for the long term.
As long as we are able to withstand why not.

A more general bitcoin long term investment ranges from 4 to ten years of holding even though also, the longer you hold, the better chances of making something more encouraging.

As long as we are able to withstand why not.

It is very possible to Hodl for As long as you are active which presents bitcoin as a retirement plan order than just an active turnover business. Being active here means before retirement, when you could have a basic income to plan with. To an extent, Long term investment starts and ends in the mind: Your ability to resist push or pull due to market volatility. You could buy as little as you can hold off your discretionary income instead of accumulating Aggressively possibly by lump-sum or DCA beyond your capacity. The moment we avoid investing beyond our strength, then anyone could buy, buy and buy without getting tired of buying.

[Silikiem]

I don't think that it's normal for a Bitcoin investor to be emotional about his or her holdings, unless you are investing with an amount you can't do away with, but if you are investing with an amount you can afford to lose, bro nothing is making you emotional about your holdings

All investors are human, not robots or bots so human all have emotions and everyone is affected by human emotions. Difference is between people who can be more or less disciplined than others and have better or worse risk and capital management.

Those things are either well controlled or bad controlled that will decide those people reactions on a same market. You can have positive or negative emotion and feelings about the market but if you manage risk and capital well enough, and if you are disciplined enough, you will not either do FOMO purchase or panic sale. Because almost everything you do with your investment portfolio and decisions of purchases and sales are done very disciplined and less likely emotional affected.

I think that what barikui1 is trying to say is that it's not about not being a robot, it's more of investing with an amount you can afford to lose, even in trading, their is a popular saying, which says; trade with an amount you can afford to lose, because once you trade or invest with an amount you can afford to lose, you wouldn't be bothered that much if the investment or trade is not going your way, and your emotions will surely be in a good state, so I share the same sentiment with him, if you invest with an amount you can afford to lose, you certainly wouldn't be emotional about your holdings even if it's not going as planned, it's only when you invest a very huge amount of money you can't afford to lose that you will be panicking anytime their is a serious dip in the market.

Why will an investor whose initial strategy is based on the long term goal of accumulation and holding will start panicking whenever the investment or trade is not going his or her way. It is only when someone with the mindset of cashing out  at every up turn or downturn in the market for a quick profit will panic and anyone with such mindset is only but a trader. But if you’re an investor with a long term goal of accumulating and holding you wouldn’t be panicking or getting so emotional whenever the market or trade is not going your way because obviously in bitcoin investment you’re not expecting the trade to always go your way at every cycle, you must understand the volatility of bitcoin and if you understand that you will always be focused on accumulating continuously and hold no matter the market situation, weather is favoring you or not, you won’t be feeling disappointed or start crying that you’re running loss. In the case of an investing with an amount you can afford to lose, bitcoin investment still made it possible with the DCA method of accumulation, this is where the DCA method comes to play, you can chose the amount you want to be investing with either on weekly basis or monthly basis, so you won’t over do yourself and start panicking whenever it’s not going your way, your focus is on your continuous accumulation using your already existing DCA method.