Comparison of gambling and betting on resistance to outcome manipulation

[Onyeeze]

Despite that, we have so many laws that are yet to be made that will make sports games fairer and less manipulated, is still a clear fact that sports is one of the most corrupt and manipulated games among others, this is because sports games have vulnerable chances of interference not just from one actor but multiple interferences which makes the games far from being perfect, that is the reason some of the games within sport games like football and others have organizers that set rules to at least checkmates the excesses of each actor in the game.

Theirs something I want to understand concerning gambling, the thing I understand of gambling is that, neither sporty bet or not in gambling what will happen will surely happen...I to ask this question, is a sporty bet the largest firm in the gambling, because theirs nothing we will discuss or analysis concerning gambling that we will not make mentioned of sporty bet, whereas we have other firms that is involve in gambling. But people doesn't make mention of them, in gambling, I want people ro understand that gambling is a game of understanding and if you don't understand it very well you will you say the particular gambling site is not fair with you.thats the ethics I find in the gambling.

[Beparanf]

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Theirs something I want to understand concerning gambling, the thing I understand of gambling is that, neither sporty bet or not in gambling what will happen will surely happen...I to ask this question, is a sporty bet the largest firm in the gambling, because theirs nothing we will discuss or analysis concerning gambling that we will not make mentioned of sporty bet, whereas we have other firms that is involve in gambling.

What “sporty bet” you are referring to? It seems you are not familiar on sports betting with this kind of question.

I will assume sports betting on your statement, it’s not a firm rather just a form of gambling that involves sports which most casino offer nowadays. The OP title is just confusing since he categorized casino games as gambling gambling while betting is not gambling which in reality both gambling.

Both sports betting and casino games are same being offered by casino at the same time.

[Lida93]

Well, op you could be right in your hypothesis about sports betting been susceptible to high frequency of influence and
manipulation of outcomes mainly with the use of techs like the VAR in deciding certain situations in a game it even becomes more easier for those behind those VARS to make see whatever they choose to make viewers to see.

I agree. This is why I don't bet on small leagues (if available) because I don't have any source that will tell me what the outcome of the game will be.

Sports games manipulation was  earlier confined to be a thing that is known with small and unpopular leagues but recently we are now having those topples of manipulations and influence in certain games even in major leagues in Europe and this  like I had said above is done through the use of VAR or the central referee through a controversial design of event on the field of play. And these are professionally done in ways we can't easily discern.

[swogerino]

I believe most people here who are of age 35 or more remember very well the 2002 World Cup in Korea S. and Japan where the referee one from Chili or Ecuador don't remember now clearly favored the Korean team to pass through the quarter final or 1/16 whichever the phase was. The referee was sentenced by FIFA with eternal ban as he clearly accepted that he got a huge pay in order to influence that event which I still remember even 20 years or more later. Next we have had scandal of football in Italy Serie A in 2006 in the so called "Calciopoli" where the leading teams of Serie A was influencing the outcome of many games through the referees, one sentence that I remember from the spying by the government there was the president of a big team that said in a phone conversation to one referee, "so how did you like the Rolex I sent you as a gift" and that was the culmination of match fixing for me.

[serjent05]

If we talk about the possibility of external influence on events in order to manipulate the result (meaning, for example, interference in the gambling process, interference in a sports competition, for example, through match-fixing), which is more vulnerable in this regard: gambling or betting on events (not only on sports)?

Gradually, I came to the conclusion that sports betting is more vulnerable to manipulation of the results of events and the subsequent use of insider information. Betting on events in general strongly depends on the scale of an event. The larger the event, the more difficult it is to influence its outcome to your advantage (a recent example of such a large-scale bet is a bet on the outcome of the US presidential election).

In turn, gambling is the least susceptible to manipulation of the results, since the more random the process, the less manageable it is. In other words, the high proportion of random outcomes in gambling protects them from manipulation of the results to a greater extent than the high predictability of sports betting protects them from contractual outcomes of competitions. This leads to the paradoxical conclusion that the less influence luck or bad luck has on the outcome of an event, the more likely it is that you will simply be deceived. Do you agree or disagree with such ideas regarding gambling and betting?

Isn't sports betting another type of gambling? Are you saying those that depend on RNG are least susceptible to manipulation?  I do not think so since this kind of gambling are computer generated, or affected by the code embedded to it, I believe they are both co-equal in terms of possibly being manipulated.

Just think, the random based results can be manipulated in just a bunch of code that will affect the outcome of the game, same way sports betting result can be manipulated by insiders of the sports where the game can be rigged to end in what they desired result of the end game.

Every gambling games can have ways to be manipulated so I believe there is nothing like being some games to be more susceptible to manipulation since manipulation is dependent on the host of the game.

[Orpichukwu]

As some people say there is no place for politics in sport, but we all realize that there is politics and corruption and deliberate abuse in sport. It is difficult to answer the question of whether gambling or betting on events (not just sports) is more vulnerable, as we cannot reliably know what happens to the gambling payout distribution algorithm and whether it can be influenced. Personally, I admit that it could be vulnerable too.

There are already arguments online pointing at how corrupt the sport especially football and boxing, can be, but there is no solid proof to back those claims up.

From now on, it is obvious that some match results appear to be manipulated. I can also agree with others that there is some level of manipulation in sport where the upper hands can easily manipulate the outcome of a game up to a certain level, which they could either influence it through the officials or those who will be in action that day to make the game work.

[Judith87403]

Despite that, we have so many laws that are yet to be made that will make sports games fairer and less manipulated, is still a clear fact that sports is one of the most corrupt and manipulated games among others, this is because sports games have vulnerable chances of interference not just from one actor but multiple interferences which makes the games far from being perfect, that is the reason some of the games within sport games like football and others have organizers that set rules to at least checkmates the excesses of each actor in the game.

You're right more especially in football game you know sometime before an event will even start they know what will be the outcome of the event I mean scores, is already been fixed by the organizers this is why sometimes let's say they have already fixed the outcome of  a particular event even before the kick off time.  let's say the event just started you know when they discover that the strength of both teams are not equal maybe the strength of team A is bigger than the strength of team B mean while they have fixed the game to end with a score of draw at this point what they do is that, they will be looking for any slightest mistake from the stronger team so as  to book them for a red card just to balance the strength they will just look for a way to manipulate it just to make sure that it works according to their prediction. I think they always work with the referees.

[Saint-loup]

I'm not sure about that to be honest, because when there is an upset, surprising statistics during a sport event for example an outsider, it's more likely that something shaddy as happened behind the curtains. But when surprising statistics happen at gambling games, we can't easily know if it's because of bad luck, for a long losing streak for example, or because of game is rigged.

[Aanuoluwatofunmi]

gambling is the least susceptible to manipulation of the results, since the more random the process, the less manageable it is. In other words, the high proportion of random outcomes in gambling protects them from manipulation of the results to a greater extent than the high predictability of sports betting protects them from contractual outcomes of competitions.

I agrees with you, if gambling or sport betting had been seen being manipulated, then many would have lost interest form doing it, because they know that is will always be for the interest or benefits of some set of people.

We are expected to see gambling beyond the way others are tsking it, this have to do with having the consideration on it large networks, numerous involvements and activities related to gambling in which ma people across the world are doing and lots of more other benefits gambling is sourcing out to the people, which does not warrant for having the thought of getting it manipulated upon a particular game.

[mak013]

It is not paradox, it is logically true. You can`t influence the result in random games, so you have no reason even to try it. The same time, if the result can be predicted(without guarantee of course, just increase chances of winning) - you can manipulate it. If you don`t know the possible result, you don`t know what side you ought to move.

I agree. I have lost count of the number of interference and manipulations in sports betting - in football, basketball and some of the others. I can't even make any comparison with this in betting on casino games. Unless those who are now trying to use bots to manipulate the outcome of their games, which is still difficult and close to impossible, you can hardly find any issues like that compared to sportsbetting. In casino games, winning or losing is random unless the casino just had badly programmed games that are not provably fair.

If casino cheats with random games, i think it would be one more kind of manipulation. In such situation we have no chance to avoid it. But we still in the game, both "fair" casino games and "manipulated" sport betting and even getting profit from it. It means, that even in manipulated gambling we can win, but it would be better to calculate such risk during the research before betting.

[viljy]

Gradually, I came to the conclusion that sports betting is more vulnerable to manipulation of the results of events and the subsequent use of insider information. Betting on events in general strongly depends on the scale of an event. The larger the event, the more difficult it is to influence its outcome to your advantage (a recent example of such a large-scale bet is a bet on the outcome of the US presidential election).

Gambling games(3rd party games) usually has a close source which means a shady game providers can easily manipulate the outcome without anyone notice the scam while on sports betting everyone is watching the same game which is very hard to manipulate the result even match fixing.

Match fixing is only possible on lower league while it’s hard to do on popular league since there’s a committee monitoring the game.

Assuming we are just comparing what’s the easiest to manipulate I think casino games is much as easier than sports betting due to the close source nature of 3rd party games.

I initially assumed that we were comparing legal activities, not shady game providers, with clandestine bookmakers, as it would be pointless. The activities of gambling providers are licensed, i.e. controlled to some extent. Of course, you may suspect that there are risks of corruption there. Well, I might suspect the same thing about controlling the major leagues. If this is not an argument enough, then let's remember that there are provably fair gambling games. And, of course, there is an offline casino, to which the hypothetical unreliability of game providers simply has nothing to do. If we compare an offline casino and a football match, which is easier: intentionally miss a goal, or intentionally not score a goal, or make the roulette ball stop at a certain number? The answer is obvious.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Good point, OP. You are correct; the less luck influences the results, the more likely there will always be interested parties. Sports games, and therefore their results, can be manipulated. We see this in the stories of fixed matches, and we should not always trust the honest "kitchen" of the teams' lives. One game in which the leading team gives up the game to another weak team, showing the appearance of a random loss, will create manipulation and, therefore, unexpected results for those who place a bet. But no one should know about this, only a few, those who are interested in such an outcome. All this is difficult to achieve in gambling, where it is difficult to develop any strategy, and only random results represent the game's results.

[Oluwa-btc]

Sports betting are physically active games, it is easier to manipulate from this end to the other without getting noticed. Options on betting platforms are getting more crazier with betting if random fan interrupting a game or a certain player getting red card in a match and then doing it himself just to establish the win on his bet. There has been many calls about players changing the outcomes on purpose just so they can make million profit from their bet, while others are caught i am sure there are those who are best at it and yet undiscovered.

Election bets can also be tampered, whereas in casino an insider might have the ability to track signals and deploy when is convenient to stake, but the average number of times outcomes are tampered are those from sports betting.

I've got several remarks about this issue and it's been confirmed that the bettings are been crazily manipulated.Ordinarily,these games are supposed to be a bit predictable and untampered for an uninterrupted gaming experience.I Keep asking myself why the operators or manipulators decides to depict wrong and unexpected results.
The thoughts of getting the games manipulated influences the winning chances and revolts the strategies applied.

[viljy]

If we talk about the possibility of external influence on events in order to manipulate the result (meaning, for example, interference in the gambling process, interference in a sports competition, for example, through match-fixing), which is more vulnerable in this regard: gambling or betting on events (not only on sports)?

Gradually, I came to the conclusion that sports betting is more vulnerable to manipulation of the results of events and the subsequent use of insider information. Betting on events in general strongly depends on the scale of an event. The larger the event, the more difficult it is to influence its outcome to your advantage (a recent example of such a large-scale bet is a bet on the outcome of the US presidential election).

In turn, gambling is the least susceptible to manipulation of the results, since the more random the process, the less manageable it is. In other words, the high proportion of random outcomes in gambling protects them from manipulation of the results to a greater extent than the high predictability of sports betting protects them from contractual outcomes of competitions. This leads to the paradoxical conclusion that the less influence luck or bad luck has on the outcome of an event, the more likely it is that you will simply be deceived. Do you agree or disagree with such ideas regarding gambling and betting?

Isn't sports betting another type of gambling? Are you saying those that depend on RNG are least susceptible to manipulation?  I do not think so since this kind of gambling are computer generated, or affected by the code embedded to it, I believe they are both co-equal in terms of possibly being manipulated.

Just think, the random based results can be manipulated in just a bunch of code that will affect the outcome of the game, same way sports betting result can be manipulated by insiders of the sports where the game can be rigged to end in what they desired result of the end game.

Every gambling games can have ways to be manipulated so I believe there is nothing like being some games to be more susceptible to manipulation since manipulation is dependent on the host of the game.

Gambling and sports betting existed long before the advent of online casinos. Accordingly, as an example, there is no RNG in real roulette, the code of which can be changed. Just like now, a hundred years ago it was much easier to arrange, for example, contractual fist fights than to make the roulette ball stop at zero or throw five sixes on the dice. In an "idealized system" we compare, for example, an honest casino and an honest bookmaker for the stability of their functioning to external interference. If we additionally take into account in the "idealized system" such an unpredictable element as fraud (cheating with RNG) in gambling, we will not be able to detect any patterns at all.

[mammusu]

As some people say there is no place for politics in sport, but we all realize that there is politics and corruption and deliberate abuse in sport. It is difficult to answer the question of whether gambling or betting on events (not just sports) is more vulnerable, as we cannot reliably know what happens to the gambling payout distribution algorithm and whether it can be influenced. Personally, I admit that it could be vulnerable too.

There are already arguments online pointing at how corrupt the sport especially football and boxing, can be, but there is no solid proof to back those claims up.

From now on, it is obvious that some match results appear to be manipulated. I can also agree with others that there is some level of manipulation in sport where the upper hands can easily manipulate the outcome of a game up to a certain level, which they could either influence it through the officials or those who will be in action that day to make the game work.

We know that in this era of fraud and manipulation in sports has actually become an open secret, even in football there is often controversy over the referee's leadership which is actually unreasonable especially if it is clear that they are trying to win a team, even sometimes players can also be involved in manipulation such as deliberately scoring own goals, getting cards and so on, along with the development of gambling today, I don't see any sport that is not separated from the bookies and we can even see how nowadays casinos or gambling platforms are the main sponsors of the sport, so I think for now we can't deny that in sports, the influence of politics, gambling and corruption has been very integrated and it really has an impact on integrity and sportsmanship so far.

[coin-investor]

Gradually, I came to the conclusion that sports betting is more vulnerable to manipulation of the results of events and the subsequent use of insider information. Betting on events in general strongly depends on the scale of an event. The larger the event, the more difficult it is to influence its outcome to your advantage (a recent example of such a large-scale bet is a bet on the outcome of the US presidential election).

Both can be manipulated; even events can be manipulated. It depends on who is going to manipulate and what kind of events,
We have seen how sports betting can be manipulated and subjected to game fixing.
Where there is money and betting involved, there is a possibility of manipulation; small leagues and small events can easily be manipulated because they are out of the radar of the organizations that oversee the outcomes and the actions of all the teams and participants involved.

[Rustam Meraj]

I think it is true that betting on sports is more likely to be manipulated than gambling. Big sports events can be fixed or influenced by people with inside information. But gambling which is mostly based on chance is little bit harder to manipulate. It is difficult to control outcome of game of chance. It is interesting that when luck plays smaller role cheating is more likely to happen. This shows that we need rules and supervision to prevent cheating in sports betting.

[SmartGold01]

Despite that, we have so many laws that are yet to be made that will make sports games fairer and less manipulated, is still a clear fact that sports is one of the most corrupt and manipulated games among others, this is because sports games have vulnerable chances of interference not just from one actor but multiple interferences which makes the games far from being perfect, that is the reason some of the games within sport games like football and others have organizers that set rules to at least checkmates the excesses of each actor in the game.

Theirs something I want to understand concerning gambling, the thing I understand of gambling is that, neither sporty bet or not in gambling what will happen will surely happen...I to ask this question, is a sporty bet the largest firm in the gambling, because theirs nothing we will discuss or analysis concerning gambling that we will not make mentioned of sporty bet, whereas we have other firms that is involve in gambling. But people doesn't make mention of them, in gambling, I want people ro understand that gambling is a game of understanding and if you don't understand it very well you will you say the particular gambling site is not fair with you.thats the ethics I find in the gambling.

You are getting things mixed up here, like he said he wasn't directly calling or referring to a particular gambling site rather than making a generalization comments on sports games and casino games.
And of course I understand what he is saying about how sports games are mostly manipulated than other games especially football and basketball are the most common games they usually compromised their overall outcome. Then when you referred to casino we can assume the outcome depends on site how fair enough they could be on their games to determine your results.

[Cryptoprincess101]

Gradually, I came to the conclusion that sports betting is more vulnerable to manipulation of the results of events and the subsequent use of insider information. Betting on events in general strongly depends on the scale of an event.

It depends on the type of sporting events that will determine if it can be subject to manipulation by the officiating body or anyone who takes part in it. For a sporting event like football, how can you tell that the outcome is manipulated when you are basically watching everything live as the events are progressing and due to the fact that football has faced criticisms of manipulations in the past made the football body to introduce the goal line technology and the VAR. All these features were put in place in order to present fairness and unbiased judgements which can lead to manipulation. I do not argue that there is no manipulation in sporting events but it is minimal and doesn't occur often because if anyone is caught in manipulating the outcome of a sporting event, they already know how severe the consequences is.

[Yucky]

I think it is true that betting on sports is more likely to be manipulated than gambling. Big sports events can be fixed or influenced by people with inside information. But gambling which is mostly based on chance is little bit harder to manipulate. It is difficult to control outcome of game of chance. It is interesting that when luck plays smaller role cheating is more likely to happen. This shows that we need rules and supervision to prevent cheating in sports betting.

Of course sport betting has chances to be manipulated  for instance when a team buys the referee to their side he would just be looking for reasons to foul the opponent and give the team that bought him you know more free kicks, and penalties just like that. 

Even with the VAR referee might still stay ignorant to the team that paid him, so this is one instance to manipulate football sport game. But since it's a live match with certain circumstances beyond human control like a player fainting on the field, a match can be suspended by these and planned manipulations can be distorted. But yes sport betting is prone to manipulation compared to gambling and casino games based on luck.