Comparison of gambling and betting on resistance to outcome manipulation

[Odusko]

I think it is true that betting on sports is more likely to be manipulated than gambling. Big sports events can be fixed or influenced by people with inside information. But gambling which is mostly based on chance is little bit harder to manipulate. It is difficult to control outcome of game of chance. It is interesting that when luck plays smaller role cheating is more likely to happen. This shows that we need rules and supervision to prevent cheating in sports betting.

Yes that is the fact although we can't say that other in-house games are not manipulated that is a lie, the truth is that football as an example of the most manipulative game is listed on the sports section so yes sports games still represent the highest manipulated games around, although we are now seeing some alertness when some games are held, still at that we can't say that the entire time of playing is without one form of manipulation or the other, it's either the referee awards a wrong penalty or cancel a goal unjustly, so this happens all the time in sports games.

[Stablexcoin]

As some people say there is no place for politics in sport, but we all realize that there is politics and corruption and deliberate abuse in sport. It is difficult to answer the question of whether gambling or betting on events (not just sports) is more vulnerable, as we cannot reliably know what happens to the gambling payout distribution algorithm and whether it can be influenced. Personally, I admit that it could be vulnerable too.

There are already arguments online pointing at how corrupt the sport especially football and boxing, can be, but there is no solid proof to back those claims up.

From now on, it is obvious that some match results appear to be manipulated. I can also agree with others that there is some level of manipulation in sport where the upper hands can easily manipulate the outcome of a game up to a certain level, which they could either influence it through the officials or those who will be in action that day to make the game work.

Yeah, i think i said something similar to this in another thread. There is still some little manipulations going on in sports game these days and its difficult to spot out or come out to say we are certain it happened. The only thing we can do is to say we observe something fishy in the game. And the reason why things are like this is because those involved in the manipulation are men in the high seats. Men with strong influence who can manipulate games to keep getting wealthy.

Of course sport betting has chances to be manipulated  for instance when a team buys the referee to their side he would just be looking for reasons to foul the opponent and give the team that bought him you know more free kicks, and penalties just like that. 

Even with the VAR referee might still stay ignorant to the team that paid him, so this is one instance to manipulate football sport game. But since it's a live match with certain circumstances beyond human control like a player fainting on the field, a match can be suspended by these and planned manipulations can be distorted. But yes sport betting is prone to manipulation compared to gambling and casino games based on luck.

Not all football team go as far as looking for favor from the referees. In most cases the referee are passionate about a particular club. So, anytime they get to be officiating a match that the club is playing they get to favor the club literally. Dont you think even the referees has their favorite club? I know they are also a fan.

[Callido]

Gradually, I came to the conclusion that sports betting is more vulnerable to manipulation of the results of events and the subsequent use of insider information. Betting on events in general strongly depends on the scale of an event.

It depends on the type of sporting events that will determine if it can be subject to manipulation by the officiating body or anyone who takes part in it. For a sporting event like football, how can you tell that the outcome is manipulated when you are basically watching everything live as the events are progressing and due to the fact that football has faced criticisms of manipulations in the past made the football body to introduce the goal line technology and the VAR. All these features were put in place in order to present fairness and unbiased judgements which can lead to manipulation. I do not argue that there is no manipulation in sporting events but it is minimal and doesn't occur often because if anyone is caught in manipulating the outcome of a sporting event, they already know how severe the consequences is.

I think all sports games can be easily manipulated as long as there is someone who is in charge of making decisions on foul. Also players actions cannot be controlled. If a player was bribed to carry out any inner actions then it cannot be controlled by the referees. Unless the act was later spotted out by the officials after the game. Of course there will be penalty for his actions. At least that is why i like the fact that those who have the intention of manipulating sports games one way or another are doing it very careful or not doing at all because of the penalty that is involved. The players might just end his career if caught in one day.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

In sports betting or betting on some other events apart from match, we know that there are still some games that can not be rigged, like the US election. Nothing like inside information in so many of those events that are being bet on.  For sports betting, it knows that only the low league that can be manipulated but top leagues like premiere can not be possible to manipulate scores. In gambling too (casino games) you can not tell when the casino is manipulating scores and when they are not and the reason is because the house have high chance of the player.

[mak013]

In sports betting or betting on some other events apart from match, we know that there are still some games that can not be rigged, like the US election. Nothing like inside information in so many of those events that are being bet on.  For sports betting, it knows that only the low league that can be manipulated but top leagues like premiere can not be possible to manipulate scores. In gambling too (casino games) you can not tell when the casino is manipulating scores and when they are not and the reason is because the house have high chance of the player.

Lol.
If you read about previous US elections, you can learn a lot of interesting things. Honestly, I think this applies to all countries (or at least most of them). Politicians always lie.
About the top leagues - even VAR does not give you 100% fair play. Every season we see the referee panel decide that the referee made a mistake after VAR. The only thing we can`t say if it was just mistake or paid manipulation. Of course chance of such situation much lower than in low leagues, but it is.

[mirakal]

Despite that, we have so many laws that are yet to be made that will make sports games fairer and less manipulated, is still a clear fact that sports is one of the most corrupt and manipulated games among others, this is because sports games have vulnerable chances of interference not just from one actor but multiple interferences which makes the games far from being perfect, that is the reason some of the games within sport games like football and others have organizers that set rules to at least checkmates the excesses of each actor in the game.

I hope it was implemented so well because it was already rampant and most of us know already. But I don't see the authority trying to take strong actions that make the results fairer and more trustworthy, as you have said. 

If you are a rich person, winning is not luck for you but some kind of manipulation. Well, poor people don't have money to give the inside, which makes them still reliant on luck. 

Certainly, we don't want to have this kind of environment, but unfortunately, money is more powerful today than conscience. 

[Apocollapse]

In turn, gambling is the least susceptible to manipulation of the results, since the more random the process, the less manageable it is. In other words, the high proportion of random outcomes in gambling protects them from manipulation of the results to a greater extent than the high predictability of sports betting protects them from contractual outcomes of competitions. This leads to the paradoxical conclusion that the less influence luck or bad luck has on the outcome of an event, the more likely it is that you will simply be deceived. Do you agree or disagree with such ideas regarding gambling and betting?

How you can be so sure they use random algorithm in gambling? you can't just believe they use SHA256, RNG etc and verified by gambling association, if you can't verify every of your bets, there's no guarantee they use random algorithm.

What if they have personal setting like this user win 20 times and lose 30 times, this user win 10 times and lose 40 times with 1 scatter etc.

Manipulation is easier in gambling, because they only need to do by themselves.

While manipulation in betting, they need to bribe anyone, like association, referee, coach, players etc.

[viljy]

In turn, gambling is the least susceptible to manipulation of the results, since the more random the process, the less manageable it is. In other words, the high proportion of random outcomes in gambling protects them from manipulation of the results to a greater extent than the high predictability of sports betting protects them from contractual outcomes of competitions. This leads to the paradoxical conclusion that the less influence luck or bad luck has on the outcome of an event, the more likely it is that you will simply be deceived. Do you agree or disagree with such ideas regarding gambling and betting?

How you can be so sure they use random algorithm in gambling? you can't just believe they use SHA256, RNG etc and verified by gambling association, if you can't verify every of your bets, there's no guarantee they use random algorithm.

What if they have personal setting like this user win 20 times and lose 30 times, this user win 10 times and lose 40 times with 1 scatter etc.

I have already answered similar arguments here https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=5526596.msg64962361#msg64962361
and here https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=5526596.msg64962750#msg64962750

Manipulation is easier in gambling, because they only need to do by themselves.

While manipulation in betting, they need to bribe anyone, like association, referee, coach, players etc.

From my point of view, on the contrary, it is technically easier to negotiate. Another issue is that it's easier to hide fraud if you act alone, as in the example you described. Otherwise, the circle of insiders is wider and the risk of information leakage is higher. However, do not forget that these individuals are highly motivated to keep their fraudulent activities secret.