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Of course Ross Ulbricht was one of the biggest holders of Bitcoin before it was immorally and brazenly stolen by the USA government, which is one reason I'm posting this here. Donald Trump promised to free Ross Ulbricht on day one of his presidency. Most libertarians believe that ALL drugs of every kind should all be legal, so are particularly offended by the attempt to make an "example" of someone who would ordinarily be expected to be punished for a few years.

Source: https://reason.com/2025/01/14/reminder-donald-trump-promised-to-free-ross-ulbricht-on-day-one/

Not only should all illegal drugs be made legal, but legal drugs should also be made available without a prescription. Telling someone they have a right to decide what drugs people can take while others don't is unequal rights.... a ruling class of doctors who rules on what drugs a person of the peasant class can take is unequal rights.

There was a time prior to the immoral drug war when ANYONE could have a child go to the pharmacy and buy heroin for them. And when this were the case, there were not rampant drug overdose deaths despite profound amounts of freedom and liberty in medicine. There are people alive today who often would bring a gun to school with them too, back when a time where school shootings never happened. Today's politicians cause problems, they certainly don't solve them. They certainly don't consider for even a moment to measure whether their "solution" is reducing the problems its alleged to, its a pure assumption of hubris on their part. Today's societal problems are YOUR personal responsibility to solve with YOUR two hands. You cannot vote away your problems to a politician, it makes things worse.

Despite speaking out of the evils of immoral asset seizures by Donald Trump, he will allow the USA to keep 100% of the stolen proceeds for the USA's treasury despite the promised pardon.

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January 17, 2025, 01:18:02 PM
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These social issues have all blown up because the mainstream media is fanning the flames of hate to divide us, and also to make sure that we don't pay attention to all of the lobbying that they and their friends do in Congress to make them richer.

Obviously, abuse of drugs and weapons is very bad. But politicians won't to do anything about it, because if they solve it they fear of losing their platform and being voted out.

Not trying to make this about Trump specifically, but remember that border bill that he killed a few years ago? Same pattern.

And then you have places like California which the Democrat leadership there literally leave helpless so they can keep running on these issues again and again.

We need to stop watching these kinds of content that is only created to piss off people.

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January 17, 2025, 06:43:03 PM
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President Trump will be really busy on Day 1, will he remember the promise he made on this issue? Will Ross Ulbricht be able to create a decent life after spending so many years in a Federal Cage? Hoping for the best for Ross and his family.
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January 17, 2025, 07:37:26 PM
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Legalizing every drug, whether good or evil is clearly an anarchist thing, and shouldn't be encouraged or imposed on societies where law and order are valued. It's like encouraging people to do whatever they like whether good or bad. But if you insist, what you ask for (which feels like anarchy) will be given you and those who share thesame mindsets, but those who disagree will be protected from the outcome.

However , it's moral to permit the consumption of natural alternatives (whether plants, animals etc ) from which the drugs are derived or synthesized from. By the way, the natural alternatives were created for different purposes (known and unknown) hence  have right to exist for their purposes. The artificial ones are reproduced from them and we can't be certain about their safety despite claims they are safe.

Humans ought to be careful with things that are strange to nature, which are considered artificial. They could have unknown bad consequences the natural world is not equipped to handle. Let's consider a very common example of the kind of damage artificial things can do to nature if not controlled or prohibited, if you go to certain third world countries where anarchist-kind of mindsets reign supreme, you would see what they have done to their environments with artificial materials, like plastic bottles,. It's shocking sometimes. It's for this reason they shouldn't be allowed to use such artificial things atall or without guidance. I personally wouldn't even permit their use because they are hard to decay, and in most cases harmful to nature. Couple with the fact that most humans are unfortunately dumb, or are not "intelligent" enough to know how to properly dispose of the artificial materials, assuming that is even possible in today's world. I think the fair option would be recycling if they can't be gotten rid of safely.
Same is applicable to drugs. I typically ascribe the word "drug" to synthetic medicines. The natural & edible ones could be called natural medicine or just herbs, depending on what they are used for. They are good and compatibile with nature. It's immoral or evil to prevent people from consuming what is good for consumption, but thesame cannot be said of artificial drugs, even though many are legalized and can be found in drug stores. You could even see their side effects warning written on their labels. Besides, it quite risky to consume them continously like we consume foods, herbs or natural medicines. I think we could categorize all the artificial drugs under their pros and cons. The legalized ones, commonly used to treat diseases seem to have more pros than cons. But I prefer things without cons, which would mean good things like natural medicines


In regards to whether it's right to be told how to consume legal drugs. Well, certain people are qualified for that. They have the right, or it's right for qualified people to prescribe drugs to the unqualified. It'll be wrong not to do so, unless the consumers are qualified to take the right amount without abusing them


Concerning shooting & no rampant overdose in the past, people back then weren't easily exposed to what people today are exposed to.. Today you could easily find anarchist games that seem to encourage and reward people to shoot random characters on the street. And many kids play the games.. They  eventually get used to them and probably wouldn't be able to control the urge to kill people in real life. Same as drug usage. In those days, people were likely more preoccupied with things that made them have better self control, preventing them from overdosing on drugs.  
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January 17, 2025, 10:25:59 PM
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Of course Ross Ulbricht was one of the biggest holders of Bitcoin before it was immorally and brazenly stolen by the USA government, which is one reason I'm posting this here. Donald Trump promised to free Ross Ulbricht on day one of his presidency. Most libertarians believe that ALL drugs of every kind should all be legal, so are particularly offended by the attempt to make an "example" of someone who would ordinarily be expected to be punished for a few years.

Source: https://reason.com/2025/01/14/reminder-donald-trump-promised-to-free-ross-ulbricht-on-day-one/

Not only should all illegal drugs be made legal, but legal drugs should also be made available without a prescription. Telling someone they have a right to decide what drugs people can take while others don't is unequal rights.... a ruling class of doctors who rules on what drugs a person of the peasant class can take is unequal rights.

There was a time prior to the immoral drug war when ANYONE could have a child go to the pharmacy and buy heroin for them. And when this were the case, there were not rampant drug overdose deaths despite profound amounts of freedom and liberty in medicine. There are people alive today who often would bring a gun to school with them too, back when a time where school shootings never happened. Today's politicians cause problems, they certainly don't solve them. They certainly don't consider for even a moment to measure whether their "solution" is reducing the problems its alleged to, its a pure assumption of hubris on their part. Today's societal problems are YOUR personal responsibility to solve with YOUR two hands. You cannot vote away your problems to a politician, it makes things worse.

Despite speaking out of the evils of immoral asset seizures by Donald Trump, he will allow the USA to keep 100% of the stolen proceeds for the USA's treasury despite the promised pardon.
Trump wants the death penalty for drug dealers, so it's kinda weird to expect him to go pro libertarian on that issue now when he already got the votes.

He didn't care about Ross Ulbricht, and most likely is looking for a loophole not to free him. Something that would seem like he tried, but something prevented it.
Same goes with his bitcoin agenda, he just doesn't care anything else then if it makes him more fiat money. When it stops doing that, bitcoin will pay. And the whole reserve idea will most likely be a farce. He just played that card, so he would get the crypto holder's votes. Mark my words.

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January 18, 2025, 01:25:22 PM
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Legalizing every drug, whether good or evil is clearly an anarchist thing, and shouldn't be encouraged or imposed on societies where law and order are valued. It's like encouraging people to do whatever they like whether good or bad. But if you insist, what you ask for (which feels like anarchy) will be given you and those who share thesame mindsets, but those who disagree will be protected from the outcome.

However , it's moral to permit the consumption of natural alternatives (whether plants, animals etc ) from which the drugs are derived or synthesized from. By the way, the natural alternatives were created for different purposes (known and unknown) hence  have right to exist for their purposes. The artificial ones are reproduced from them and we can't be certain about their safety despite claims they are safe.

Humans ought to be careful with things that are strange to nature, which are considered artificial. They could have unknown bad consequences the natural world is not equipped to handle. Let's consider a very common example of the kind of damage artificial things can do to nature if not controlled or prohibited, if you go to certain third world countries where anarchist-kind of mindsets reign supreme, you would see what they have done to their environments with artificial materials, like plastic bottles,. It's shocking sometimes. It's for this reason they shouldn't be allowed to use such artificial things atall or without guidance. I personally wouldn't even permit their use because they are hard to decay, and in most cases harmful to nature. Couple with the fact that most humans are unfortunately dumb, or are not "intelligent" enough to know how to properly dispose of the artificial materials, assuming that is even possible in today's world. I think the fair option would be recycling if they can't be gotten rid of safely.
Same is applicable to drugs. I typically ascribe the word "drug" to synthetic medicines. The natural & edible ones could be called natural medicine or just herbs, depending on what they are used for. They are good and compatibile with nature. It's immoral or evil to prevent people from consuming what is good for consumption, but thesame cannot be said of artificial drugs, even though many are legalized and can be found in drug stores. You could even see their side effects warning written on their labels. Besides, it quite risky to consume them continously like we consume foods, herbs or natural medicines. I think we could categorize all the artificial drugs under their pros and cons. The legalized ones, commonly used to treat diseases seem to have more pros than cons. But I prefer things without cons, which would mean good things like natural medicines


In regards to whether it's right to be told how to consume legal drugs. Well, certain people are qualified for that. They have the right, or it's right for qualified people to prescribe drugs to the unqualified. It'll be wrong not to do so, unless the consumers are qualified to take the right amount without abusing them


Concerning shooting & no rampant overdose in the past, people back then weren't easily exposed to what people today are exposed to.. Today you could easily find anarchist games that seem to encourage and reward people to shoot random characters on the street. And many kids play the games.. They  eventually get used to them and probably wouldn't be able to control the urge to kill people in real life. Same as drug usage. In those days, people were likely more preoccupied with things that made them have better self control, preventing them from overdosing on drugs.  
There are at least three problems with police state drugs laws:
1. They encourage the chaos and violence that you associate with anarchy but is actually a government construct.
2. They require rights violations as a two-class society of the ruling class and the servant class.
3. Taking away people's property without their permission is stealing, which is not law and order.

There are two fundamentally different sets of laws, the set of laws that people actually believe in and do, and the set of laws people resent and disobey. When a third of the population fundamentally disagrees and disobeys the drug laws, you end up with lots of violence in drug wars. Countries learned early on that alcohol prohibition is more harmful than helpful because it leads to gang violence, and legalized it as a result, but they hypocritically maintain prohibition for all other drugs despite alcohol being the obviously leading cause of drug deaths by a wide margin.

Regarding prescriptions, if a doctor is more qualified than someone else to use a prescription, then libertarian laws still allow people to use their adult mind to make the adult decision to go see a doctor. As an adult, they are to make adult decisions. The government treating everyone as children who cannot make their own decisions is not only authoritarian, it denies intelligent adults who know better than doctors to make superior decisions. For example, during the Covid hysterics, it was prudent to take Ivermectin to help cure the Coronavirus. However, doctors didn't to that. The government is incompetent. Their choice of law demanding when drugs are prescribed and when they are not is also incompetent. I am a competent person and cannot have my right to select the correct drugs be trampled by incompetent government bureaucrats who cannot respect human rights. A society of personal responsibility is a healthy, secure, society. A society relying on the government as their parents to make the adult decisions for them leads to a weak society, as well proven by not just authoritarian states like North Korea but certainly by nanny states like the UK and California where mental illness is rampant as people cannot cope with life because they rely only the government which merely helps big pharma sell them pills. Individuals care about them selves more than the government cares about them, so they can make better decisions about what pills go in their body than the government if not on average then certainly by many, and it isn't fair to damage the health of the intelligent minority by denying them medication because other people are stupid and irresponsible.  I strongly resent that because other people are too stupid to make good medical decisions, I have to also be arbitrarily subject to their stupid decisions by law.

Anarchist societies are nowhere to be found anywhere on Earth, and are not promoted by any video game I'm aware of. GTA is a game where there are lots of police trying to enforce the laws. Anarchist societies are also not human nature and are likely to never happen. The same drug laws most countries started with are not anarchist, but socially liberal or libertarian.

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DJT: I just called the mother of Ross William Ulbright to let her know that in honor of her and the Libertarian Movement, which supported me so strongly, it was my pleasure to have just signed a full and unconditional pardon of her son, Ross. The scum that worked to convict him were some of the same lunatics who were involved in the modern day weaponization of government against me. He was given two life sentences, plus 40 years. Ridiculous!

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DJT: I just called the mother of Ross William Ulbright to let her know that in honor of her and the Libertarian Movement, which supported me so strongly, it was my pleasure to have just signed a full and unconditional pardon of her son, Ross. The scum that worked to convict him were some of the same lunatics who were involved in the modern day weaponization of government against me. He was given two life sentences, plus 40 years. Ridiculous!

^ Right.

Convict the jokers who are breaking the law, rather than a person using his freedom to make private transactions. Ross was only convicted in the first place because he didn't know that becoming an attorney client he was simply giving his freedom over to the courts. Show us somebody who Ross hurt... a bleeding cut... or some property damage Ross did.

If you want to say that Ross's actions harmed a lot of people, then convict all the bosses and companies in the whole country. Why? Because they paid their employees, and some of those employees did criminal acts, and they were at fault for paying them the money that the employees used to do the criminal acts.

The whole Ross thing was a sham against crypto from the start. Ross only got in between the jaws of a vice somehow.

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January 23, 2025, 12:39:32 PM
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Congratulations to Ross Ulbricht for being pardoned on Day 2 of Trump's presidency. The delay to day 2 is a reflection that our rights and liberties take a back seat to other values of Trump, but its an easily forgivable minor offense to have completed a day 1 promise on day 2.

It appears Ross Ulbricht's mother talked to many thousands upon thousands of people, and has a key role in helping secure his release. What an outstanding mother!

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January 23, 2025, 04:44:18 PM
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Well we finally got there & it must be such a huge relief for Ross & his family. The most important thing is his freedom but I see Kraken already raised over $100,000 in Bitcoin for him. I think he will get millions in donations which will be a huge help for him to start a new life, over 10 years after he was sentenced. It must be hard to have been incarcerated for so long but now he can really make a fresh start & I wish him the very best of luck.
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