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February 24, 2025, 07:53:57 PM
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Some people saying
Trump will choose russia china iran as new Alliance
UK and canada will need to choose with who they are because china russia usa iran and many others will go war against Europe If canada choose USA or eu If UK choose Europe or USA.
So If UK will not join eu then Europe will fight alone against russia china iran and all others.

USA and france might have direct fight together but EU is done allready russia and iran made that decisions.
Now the question is: will uk will go together with eu i don't think so and canada might join USA.
Otherwise iran and russia will bomb UK and canada too If they protect Europe.
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February 24, 2025, 11:37:17 PM
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I do not expect Russia to abandon its Chinese ally or form a partnership with the United States against Europe. America cannot live without allies and cannot be hostile to Europe as some may imagine.

It is a war of interests to achieve gains, and President Trump was able to impose some plans in exchange for benefits. The Ukrainian scene is inseparable from the scene in the Middle East. Many believe that a deal was made that led to the abandonment of the Assad regime in Syria to achieve Israel's security after cutting off supply channels from Iran, in exchange for ending the Ukrainian war according to the interests of the two major parties to the conflict, America and Russia. As for the Middle East and Europe, they are areas and tools of war that are waging proxy wars, nothing more.

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February 25, 2025, 12:57:18 AM
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Some people saying
Trump will choose russia china iran as new Alliance
UK and canada will need to choose with who they are because china russia usa iran and many others will go war against Europe If canada choose USA or eu If UK choose Europe or USA.
So If UK will not join eu then Europe will fight alone against russia china iran and all others.

USA and france might have direct fight together but EU is done allready russia and iran made that decisions.
Now the question is: will uk will go together with eu i don't think so and canada might join USA.
Otherwise iran and russia will bomb UK and canada too If they protect Europe.

USA are not getting involved.
UK are not getting involved

yes ukraine has recruited EU and even south korean soldiers
yes russia have recruited northern korean support and china

iran is a different war matter, more related to the isreal/hamas/gaza stuff


seems OP is in a dream scenario of thinking everyone wants to cause more war. when reality is everyone wants a peace deal, just the terms need a few tweaks

deal trump foresees happening for ukraine
trump creates a new buffer state between ukraine and russia, of soon ex-ukraine land. whereby us and ukraine share in the mineral riches as a 50-50 split but where the land is not part of any future ukraine+eu membership deal.

russia will cease fire in exchange for some USA-russia sanction reductions. but only if ukraine doesnt allow EU(+nato) to have land borders that touch russia's western edge (hense the trump/blackrock/ukraine deal to make a new buffer state and rebuild and do mineral mining)


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February 25, 2025, 05:11:19 PM
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The US won't formally join Russia until the sanctions are lifted. Watch for that, and then re-look at what is going on. Until then, everything is as it has been.

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February 25, 2025, 05:26:58 PM
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Some people saying
Trump will choose russia china iran as new Alliance
UK and canada will need to choose with who they are because china russia usa iran and many others will go war against Europe If canada choose USA or eu If UK choose Europe or USA.
So If UK will not join eu then Europe will fight alone against russia china iran and all others.
Donald Trump is highly unpredictable. I will not be surprised if he joins forces with China and Russia. This is because the way he is handling the negotiations for the end of the Russian and Ukraine war is highly unacceptable. How will negotiations go on without important parties? Ukraine and the EU should be on the table because they are key players in the war.

Donald wants to make America great. Hence, he is seeking partners/nations that will give him the best deals because he needs so much resources to achieve his aim.

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February 25, 2025, 08:17:28 PM
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The so called west has barred us from cheaper trade and energy which is fucking crazy to think about.

What interests are EU countries serving by not buying creap Iranian and Russian oil? No one is benefiting in this situation. Mutual trade needs to open again. I wish both trump and Europe would trade with Iran. And hopefully Europe too will open up its trade with china more rather than increase the already high tariffs.

Consider the so many scams we've seen here. Now it's out for everyone when the president promotes it... Hopefully media will keep exposing this attempts. Presidents that do shit like this deserve to be exposed.


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February 25, 2025, 09:25:51 PM
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There are no permanent friend or enemy in politics. For Biden Administration, slow funding Ukraine war was a profitable venture as well the trade strategy they had with Europe and others. Trump found the terms not as beneficial probably because he was not getting any and the US as nation was getting less. He might have thought he'd get a better value deal with Russia rather than Europe.
As for the world allies, Europe was more dependent than allied to USA. Trump has always asked them to increase their defense budget but they have till date refused to. They do make long term plans but the execution is slow.
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There are no permanent friend or enemy in politics. For Biden Administration, slow funding Ukraine war was a profitable venture as well the trade strategy they had with Europe and others.

biden syphoned off treasury money to ukraine, where ukraine offer blackrock "reconstruction" deal so eventually ukraine will pay blackrock more then biden paid ukraine. but the treasury wont get any of that back.. its fun too look at bidens advisory/treasury team whom are blackrock ex-employees some of who then returned to some roles when biden/harris lost election

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euro done a loan deal with ukraine. so EU printed money. gave it to ukraine. ukraine then used it to finance war via nato. so EU received that money back via nato to get troops and military equipment supplied by EU. and ontop of that, Ukraine still owes EU the loan debt.. so double profit

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People who say crazy stuff like that don't understand geopolitics or how the world works. We simply have nothing in common with the US regime to want to join it. For example we fight ISIS while US supports ISIS.



This is all about the short lived empire that is falling and they are trying to prevent that. There are two important facts here:
1) US regime is up to its neck in debt and the US economy has been a debt based economy for so long that it is on the brink of collapse.
2) On the other side of the world there is China with a real economy (producing real goods instead of being based on debt like US economy) that is growing and they are pushing to replace the dollar (aka replace fiat that is backed by debt with fiat backed by real economy).

To address these, the US regime needs to first cut costs so that they can focus on China.
Regarding Russia in North Asia it means shutting down money sucking blackholes like Ukraine. But at the same time the don't want to end the war with Russia. At the end of the day the regime is still the enemy of the world including Russia. So they put pressure on Europeans to carry the weight US was carrying instead so that US regime can cut its costs.
This is also why Trump is demanding $500 billion from Ukraine practically as ransom money!
So they talk with Russians while ridiculing Europeans and forcing them to fall in line and obey Washington's demands.

It's a similar situation with Iran in West Asia.
The US regime knows that if they continue like before in West Asia, they'll have to spend $20 trillion like the $12 trillion they wasted in past decade or two and then sink deeper in debt and have their economy weaken even more since Iran will continue the War of Attrition in response and definitely up the game.
This is why Trump ordered his dog Netanyahu to accept defeat in Gaza and ceasefire for now, this is also why he has been cutting the funding to dozens of terrorist groups over the past couple of weeks ($60 billion according to the terrorist outlets who were angry for losing their revenue!).



On the other side, they know this very well. China is trying to replace US as the hegemony and nobody wants that either. The Chinese have also been acting like a weasel and they have to be forced to change their doctrine. Therefore the negotiations with the enemy.

For example Russia sees that due to sanctions their reliance of China has grown. But it is just trade that can be cut at any time if the Chinese chose to cut it. There is no "investment". This is why in the talks with the US regime we see talks of US "investment" in Russia.
At the same time it is not going to be Russia+US on the same side fighting China. That would be stupid. Russians are just trying to diversify. This is why after their talks with the US regime, they went to China and Iran to negotiate with their allies...

Both Iran and Russia are trying to manage US regime's pariah nature to decrease their own costs knowing the regime wanting to focus on China while trying to put pressure on the Chinese to make more and better concessions...



As for Europe, it is still a weakening "group" that is and has to be US regime's proxy (like others including Canada, Australia, South Korea, Japan, ...). This is why Trump ridicules them so much. Like the recent thing with France's Macron who he didn't even receive at the White House as he went there with his head down to receive the orders. Or when they sat Serbia's president on a tiny armchair in front of Trump's big ass desk like kid at school being reprimanded by the principal!
We can see that weakness and "proxy nature" in the regime changes from Canada where Trudeau went away just with one Trump's tweet to Germany's recent election where US regime clearly and openly intervenes.

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Last Monday leaders of the so-called Nordic-Baltic Eight -- Estonia, Finland, Iceland, Latvia, Lithuania, Norway, Sweden and Denmark
also Canada plus European Union President Ursula von der Leyen and European Council President Antonio Costa were in Kiev for a "support Ukraine" summit.

Britain, imposed new sanctions aimed at 107 businesses and individuals, biggest package since the early days of the conflict
Canada "stands with Ukraine -- now and always." said Trudeau. Sents a new multi billion dollar aid package.
Turkey, a NATO member has a long history of conficts with Russia, (Most recent Armenia - Azerbaijan) is Black Sea "key" holder, wants to be in EU
US sidelined as a NATO member and has bigger issues in Middle East
 
European Union leaders will meet for an extraordinary summit on March 6 (same old ‘Ordo ab Chao‘)

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Remember one thing. Trump is not joining with Russia until, maybe, if you see the sanctions being lifted. When that happens, then look into it further.

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What is even the essence of the waring structures all over the world in the first place?
Has the first world war and second world wars not been set upon enough disasters we should be careful about not to happen again and then decline from every aspect to experience it again?

The only global crisis to be expected should be economy crisis by which countries seemed highily potential should strive on making best economy records instead of these disastrous geopolitical grieves that it potentials is nothing but setting the world back from advancements of economical and technology growths with the lost of lives and properties. All waste of resources as I may say.

After the wars what next? A dialogue to enjoy the world in a limited time and blows the whistle for further rounds? Huh? What a crazy world like the scripted movies.
Come on... It feels irritated and stupid to see those highily educated people in the governments intentionally keeping the world in a tension of critical threats with their diabolic and barbaric warfares.
As for me, I am literally not in for anyone. To hell.











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February 26, 2025, 09:17:57 AM
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IMO Trump is trying to prevent a catastrophic civil war in russia now.
If that happens there are many things which will not be calculated in the equation and many things may go to very bad scenario.
Also in such scenario is almost clear that China may try to take Syberia, which for their army will be quite easy and such move will make them very much independent from anyone else.
There is also something worth to mention that in an event of catastrophic civil war in russia many might and will flee the country. By many I mean millions and that will put the social systems of the whole west at big risk.

Anyway even if the war stops tomorrow, russia should be prepared for very hard years to come, because mainly of the lack of workforce (~1 million left in the beginning of the SMO, almost so are 200 or 300), and of course there are about 600k soldiers that will return from the SMO and most of them will not be able to find a job fast enough.

So, yes, right now the both winners here are EU with its money policy towards Ukraine and also the frozen russian assets that I doubt russia will ever receive again. And China, right now and in the next years russia will be very, very dependant of them. That's where Trump is trying to find its place and have some more possitive gains too.

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February 26, 2025, 01:34:55 PM
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^^^ This EU policy, if implemented, will cause Russia to ICBM/Oreshnik all of Europe. Is Europe ready for that?

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