Criminals getting more smarter and more brutal UK crimimals shoot police cars

[Fullbear2222]

Specially some dealers of not legal subtances when police start chase them often now they got guns and they shoot police car the tires first then they can drive away.
Because after police need to proof first and later on very difficult to proof so much so crimimals now shoot first drive away taking the lawyer and using law better ways only time they can be 100% guilty If police catch them right to way but now the criminals shoot with guns right to way police tires of cars so police can't chase them.
And off course it happens a lot in UK specially now when times are harder for everybody crimimals getting more active too and they got guns

Interesting thing about UK is that there is so many CCTV cameras yet countries where is less or don't have any CCTV CAMERAS have less crimes, can you imagine life in UK If there would't be any cameras ? There will be chaos!

[Hispo]

Specially some dealers of not legal subtances when police start chase them often now they got guns and they shoot police car the tires first then they can drive away.
Because after police need to proof first and later on very difficult to proof so much so crimimals now shoot first drive away taking the lawyer and using law better ways only time they can be 100% guilty If police catch them right to way but now the criminals shoot with guns right to way police tires of cars so police can't chase them.
And off course it happens a lot in UK specially now when times are harder for everybody crimimals getting more active too and they got guns

Interesting thing about UK is that there is so many CCTV cameras yet countries where is less or don't have any CCTV CAMERAS have less crimes, can you imagine life in UK If there would't be any cameras ? There will be chaos!

I know that several users here in the forum, specially in the political section of the forum have tagged your posts and activity as something to be ignore due to the lack of accuracy and quality.
But I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt on this occasion...
Would you care to provide some news, sources or proved statistics on the increased use of weapons against the police in the United Kingdom? Or would you show us some statistics on how some countries with less security cameras have less criminality than the United Kingdom.

As far as it concerns me, you can say whatever you want about whatever you find on the internet or in your own country, but I won't even consider it to be true if you don't back it with something.

Are you from the United Kingdom, by the way? I would be completely different if you claim yourself to be the source of all this information.

[Cryptohygenic]

Would you like to compare the crime commitments in the UK to some countries? Maybe because the media does bring the real informations to your table.
The civil security coordinations in the UK is absolutely admirable when you compare the security problems with ones happening in African or even in most Islamic regions.
It really look lawless as criminals are not afraid to show their arms, reveling their identity with no fear of getting arrested and no security agencies goes after them like it is a norms.
Police and military are being attacked by the road sides and even in the camps and yet governments has no structure to capture the culprits.
You live in your house armed robbers would come steal and also rape you,when you call on the security agencies they would ignore you.
I just laughed when you say criminals shoots the tire of the police vehicles to scale their ways. Here and some other places criminals opens direct shooting to kill the police and not the car tires. So, enjoy your peace there. The entire world is just pourous and insecurities is something getting adaptive while most problem seems to be the governments and the economy.

[Mrbuck]

Specially some dealers of not legal subtances when police start chase them often now they got guns and they shoot police car the tires first then they can drive away.
Because after police need to proof first and later on very difficult to proof so much so crimimals now shoot first drive away taking the lawyer and using law better ways only time they can be 100% guilty If police catch them right to way but now the criminals shoot with guns right to way police tires of cars so police can't chase them.
And off course it happens a lot in UK specially now when times are harder for everybody crimimals getting more active too and they got guns

Interesting thing about UK is that there is so many CCTV cameras yet countries where is less or don't have any CCTV CAMERAS have less crimes, can you imagine life in UK If there would't be any cameras ? There will be chaos!

Wow smart

[Mrbuck]

Would you like to compare the crime commitments in the UK to some countries? Maybe because the media does bring the real informations to your table.
The civil security coordinations in the UK is absolutely admirable when you compare the security problems with ones happening in African or even in most Islamic regions.
It really look lawless as criminals are not afraid to show their arms, reveling their identity with no fear of getting arrested and no security agencies goes after them like it is a norms.
Police and military are being attacked by the road sides and even in the camps and yet governments has no structure to capture the culprits.
You live in your house armed robbers would come steal and also rape you,when you call on the security agencies they would ignore you.
I just laughed when you say criminals shoots the tire of the police vehicles to scale their ways. Here and some other places criminals opens direct shooting to kill the police and not the car tires. So, enjoy your peace there. The entire world is just pourous and insecurities is something getting adaptive while most problem seems to be the governments and the economy.

You can't compare deveoped nations with non -developed.
Level of sercurity people are use to with developed Nations like UK and EU is high.

[o48o]

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Interesting thing about UK is that there is so many CCTV cameras yet countries where is less or don't have any CCTV CAMERAS have less crimes.

Are you implying that amount of cameras would correlate with crime rates and not just countries? Because i haven't seen such study, and that sounds made up.
If some countries have less need for cameras, that's because there was less need for them in the first place, and it sounds like you are confusing cause and effect.
Also shooting tires isn't "smart". It's something from 8 year old kid's comic books.

[franky1]

the amount of camera's are not fairly distributed across the country nor even fairly distributed per city block/street

so although in the 'square mile' of london, the camera to distance ratio is tightly packed, overlaying each other to leave no blindspots. the UK then also has huge green space farmland across county borders and backstreets unchecked for dozens of miles with no camera's at all

many drug dealers dont congregate in severe monitoring zones of the london square mile
instead drug distributors(car drivers) do the "county lines" model. of moving between stash houses in different counties/small towns. where by it requires a different police jurisdiction to follow them from one location to the other, which is a practice that served drug dealers well by crossing police jurisdictions to escape arrest
as it takes time for different forces to then gather evidence to then locate stash houses and pursue arrest warrants. due to chain of evidence ambiguities and jurisdictional bureaucracy.

the UK is a nation where guns are not a birth right and so historically criminals used knives and police only needed stab vests
yes police are now fire-arms trained which has caused a minority of criminals to up their strategy to match, so they found ways to import their own firearm weapons
(in rare exceptional cases (of organised crime))

yes its escalating, but its still at a point of not being the norm.. fire arms is the exceptional rare case of criminal behaviour in the UK.. not the normal well practiced behaviour... its the minority of crime not the majority... though yes its escalating

..
the UK is not in some american scenario where every criminal has a gun regularly performing police driveby shootups

stats
of approx 6.6million offences in the UK only approx 6400 involved fire-arms in 2022
in 2002 only approx 2200 offences involved fire arms

so although media will say firearms offences have escalated by 3x in 20 years.. its still only an escalation of 0.03% to 0.1% of all offences
unlike america which is more like 17% of offences involve firearms

[Reatim]

Specially some dealers of not legal subtances when police start chase them often now they got guns and they shoot police car the tires first then they can drive away.

how is this being smart? this is just stupid because most of the time they just worsen their sentences or crimes by adding more to their charges and they usually just get caught anyway since they can't really run for long

Because after police need to proof first and later on very difficult to proof so much so crimimals now shoot first drive away taking the lawyer and using law better ways only time they can be 100% guilty If police catch them right to way but now the criminals shoot with guns right to way police tires of cars so police can't chase them.

there is always other police to catch them and respond to the scene

Interesting thing about UK is that there is so many CCTV cameras yet countries where is less or don't have any CCTV CAMERAS have less crimes, can you imagine life in UK If there would't be any cameras ? There will be chaos!

maybe other countries really just have efficient police and good employment rate and low poverty rate which is why there is less crimes

[Fullbear2222]

Specially some dealers of not legal subtances when police start chase them often now they got guns and they shoot police car the tires first then they can drive away.

how is this being smart? this is just stupid because most of the time they just worsen their sentences or crimes by adding more to their charges and they usually just get caught anyway since they can't really run for long

Because after police need to proof first and later on very difficult to proof so much so crimimals now shoot first drive away taking the lawyer and using law better ways only time they can be 100% guilty If police catch them right to way but now the criminals shoot with guns right to way police tires of cars so police can't chase them.

there is always other police to catch them and respond to the scene

Interesting thing about UK is that there is so many CCTV cameras yet countries where is less or don't have any CCTV CAMERAS have less crimes, can you imagine life in UK If there would't be any cameras ? There will be chaos!

maybe other countries really just have efficient police and good employment rate and low poverty rate which is why there is less crimes

They don't shoot police officers off course then they get hard prison time.
They shoot car tires to make police not Chase them just off course they don't shoot officers that's not smart

[Fullbear2222]

the amount of camera's are not fairly distributed across the country nor even fairly distributed per city block/street

so although in the 'square mile' of london, the camera to distance ratio is tightly packed, overlaying each other to leave no blindspots. the UK then also has huge green space farmland across county borders and backstreets unchecked for dozens of miles with no camera's at all

many drug dealers dont congregate in severe monitoring zones of the london square mile
instead drug distributors(car drivers) do the "county lines" model. of moving between stash houses in different counties/small towns. where by it requires a different police jurisdiction to follow them from one location to the other, which is a practice that served drug dealers well by crossing police jurisdictions to escape arrest
as it takes time for different forces to then gather evidence to then locate stash houses and pursue arrest warrants. due to chain of evidence ambiguities and jurisdictional bureaucracy.

the UK is a nation where guns are not a birth right and so historically criminals used knives and police only needed stab vests
yes police are now fire-arms trained which has caused a minority of criminals to up their strategy to match, so they found ways to import their own firearm weapons
(in rare exceptional cases (of organised crime))

yes its escalating, but its still at a point of not being the norm.. fire arms is the exceptional rare case of criminal behaviour in the UK.. not the normal well practiced behaviour... its the minority of crime not the majority... though yes its escalating

..
the UK is not in some american scenario where every criminal has a gun regularly performing police driveby shootups

stats
of approx 6.6million offences in the UK only approx 6400 involved fire-arms in 2022
in 2002 only approx 2200 offences involved fire arms

so although media will say firearms offences have escalated by 3x in 20 years.. its still only an escalation of 0.03% to 0.1% of all offences
unlike america which is more like 17% of offences involve firearms

UK is more likely the one big system where all runs by system the ones who knows about system they can use that for their benefits, then those who don't know about system even If they are right by truth or moral or legal terms they might be wrong because all what matters is system how things are run in UK.

But wait....what you mean different juridication ? Are the no FBI kind of police like they have power over all countries, what you mean they don't share fast enough info between different counties or regions ? I tought they have database where all info updated live and someone told me CCTV CAMERAS watched 24/7 also and face recnonation so you walk the CCTV cameras can detect your info and who you Are.

[franky1]

But wait....what you mean different juridication ? Are the no FBI kind of police like they have power over all countries, what you mean they don't share fast enough info between different counties or regions ?

yes the police can go beyond their own county(district/force) and have countrywide coverage, but usually in practice trying to get backup support in the next county requires asking the next police force to attend/backup

police from one district work on different frequency radios(well its more digital channel not old analog frequency)) thus 2 police forces are not usually in direct radio contact with neighbouring police force. they instead use dispatch(call centres) to pass on info and arrange the next force to join a special channel/frequency) on the journey to take over the chase. so things are not instant communication
and then the response time to get the next police force ahead of the chase to get in position to take over, isnt something that is a known thing at the time of the chase,(criminals can make sudden turns and not announce their intentions to leave a area and go long distance)

as for things like court. theres issues over which jurisdiction is involved in the investigation and evidence gathering to then apply to court to prosecute.

organised criminal gangs know these little bureaucratic eccentricities. EG if police officer A from county A started the chase but the chase went through 3 counties(police forces)(A,B,C).. each officer(A,b,c) would need to attend court as witness. and if one didnt turn up the court case could be dropped unless all the boxes are ticked and evidence has a clear chain/flow, that cant be critiqued

now with all that said.. here in the uk. the whole "police chase" is a minority model of how drugs move.. instead county lines gangs do things differently, adding extra layer of logistical nightmares on the different police forces to investigate

the gangs of "county lines" dealer model know this stuff and even know best places to choose stash houses and what routes from one region of the UK to the other region of the UK to travel on to have least exposure of police and also how to make it a investigative nightmare to get different forces investigators to work together

same goes for the human trafficking gangs

I tought they have database where all info updated live and someone told me CCTV CAMERAS watched 24/7 also and face recnonation so you walk the CCTV cameras can detect your info and who you Are.

the "county lines" gangs hold people hostage. usually criminals join social groups of people with mental incapacities/disabilities, befriend them and then use them under duress/hostage as maul and stash house for a week or two. that way by the time cops have identified a maul. the criminal is already using someone else.

county lines gangs have a high majority experience of recruiting a mentally disabled person to carry the bag, and given some taxi money or a bus ticket to the next town and hand it to another disabled person(victim) who is threatened to move it on. where the real criminal never touches the bag and just stays nearby to monitor, but never has drugs on them to be caught

they know which roads are les patrolled between towns and what police forces are available to know how to plan routes to move drugs. and such

so majority of crimes are not police shoot out things you see on american tv. but normally a person with mental disability going on a bus ride "with a friend" sat a few seats away

to get different police forces to follow this model is more of a logistical nightmare than a simple pollce chase of a dealer in a get-away car.. and thats why criminals find it more effective to use mauls

[Gozie51]

Interesting thing about UK is that there is so many CCTV cameras yet countries where is less or don't have any CCTV CAMERAS have less crimes, can you imagine life in UK If there would't be any cameras ? There will be chaos!

With this I'm surprised about your story. You could have shared a prove to what indictment you have made on the UK system then people would believe you. I don't think the UK government would allow fragrant confrontation of criminals on their security agency, what are the cameras now there for if they would get footage of criminal activities and won't go after them. It is laughable actually. What about the security alarms and the intelligence. Like for example the UK still has one of the best security system or network combining the MI5 and SIS.

[Y3shot]

Interesting thing about UK is that there is so many CCTV cameras yet countries where is less or don't have any CCTV CAMERAS have less crimes, can you imagine life in UK If there would't be any cameras ? There will be chaos!

The use of cctv won't stop crime totally,  it can reduce the rate of crime but even with use of cctv criminals will still look for a way to commit crime they don't mind if they are being caught on the acts. Ways to stop crime such as cctv don't eliminate crime in the society,  sometimes I do ask my self even as some countries security conscious in fighting crimes how do these people get guns to use in committing crimes, it tells that even the most secure country crimes will still exist but can be regulated.

[Zoomic]

Reading through the OP, I can only imagine a movie scene where criminals are trying to outsmart the police by shooting at the police car. Well, I do not live in the UK, and I cannot imagine the UK being so violent and lawless the way you paint it here, even with all the cameras available. Even the most corrupt and poor countries do not experience such a situation. A little evidence from you will make me have a different opinion about this topic.

However, crime is not limited to the UK alone; every country has its own experience when it comes to crime. If you leave the UK, how sure are you that you would get to another country that is totally free from crime? I believe if crime is really an issue in the UK, the government would be doing something about that by now.

[Reynaldo]

They've adapted their tactics specifically to the UK's policing structure vs how different it is in other countries. The bureaucratic maze between different police forces creates exploitable gaps.

[Lida93]

A criminal would definitely want to act violent in any case where he's to be apprehended because he knows the consequences that awaits him for his illegitimate actions.

And for the Cctvs that are been saturated in almost every street of the UK than any other places in the world, it's the level of crime in the city that necessitated it. Governments anywhere in the world won't spend public funds mounting CCTV cameras like they're planting trees in a less crime city or country. And if not for anything we can attest that those CCTV cameras has been very helpful in fighting crime and leading to apprehension and quick investigation of crimes activities.

[Dailyscript]

I also heard of criminals using bigger torchlight in the night when they are going for robbery. If the police point a torch at them they point a bigger and brighter one at the police offers this will limit the view of the police men. No big deal though, same way police are increasing their security gadgets it is the same way these criminals are going extra miles to find a new method of completing their action.

A criminal would definitely want to act violent in any case where he's to be apprehended because he knows the consequences that awaits him for his illegitimate actions.

No criminal will ever want to be caught. If they are in a position to escape they will be willing to do anything to the extend of killing anyone who tries to stop them. This is the main reason they soot at the police.

[franky1]

I also heard of criminals using bigger torchlight in the night when they are going for robbery. If the police point a torch at them they point a bigger and brighter one at the police offers this will limit the view of the police men. No big deal though, same way police are increasing their security gadgets it is the same way these criminals are going extra miles to find a new method of completing their action.

A criminal would definitely want to act violent in any case where he's to be apprehended because he knows the consequences that awaits him for his illegitimate actions.

No criminal will ever want to be caught. If they are in a position to escape they will be willing to do anything to the extend of killing anyone who tries to stop them. This is the main reason they soot at the police.

thats just dumb
dumb criminals react with violence..
escalating drug trafficking to homicide is just dumb

the smart ones know they can negotiate plea deals, get immunity deals for giving info on the bigger criminal network, lower sentencing for all manner of reasons
.. but to escalate to murder is dumb
adding more charges to their 'rap sheet' is dumb

the smart ones put a buffer between themselves and the criminal act the police are following.. they find patsy's and mauls to do the acts so the police grab the maul not the criminal bystander

[Lida93]

I also heard of criminals using bigger torchlight in the night when they are going for robbery. If the police point a torch at them they point a bigger and brighter one at the police offers this will limit the view of the police men. No big deal though, same way police are increasing their security gadgets it is the same way these criminals are going extra miles to find a new method of completing their action.

A criminal would definitely want to act violent in any case where he's to be apprehended because he knows the consequences that awaits him for his illegitimate actions.

No criminal will ever want to be caught. If they are in a position to escape they will be willing to do anything to the extend of killing anyone who tries to stop them. This is the main reason they soot at the police.

There is no where in the world that criminals should have more advanced devices and ammunitions than the state owned security agents. In any case then it shows to a broader length how casual the government are treating matters of insecurity.

Well, criminals use different decoys as to escape from being caught and their last alternative to escape is killing a corp because they know they would be facing severe punishment than any they would if being caught with just firearms alone. And it's not easy for the corp facing these dangerous guys everyday risking their lives for our peace.