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April 09, 2025, 11:10:28 PM
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If not for anything then I think one thing this Trump tarrif levy which has really smashed hard on many economies globally would teach a lot of country leaders the need to make for alternative survival route in the future should such situation repeat itself with another US president reiterating a tariff war as this kind.

Moral lesson: your ally can always want to take advantage of your weakness just to prove a point.


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April 10, 2025, 01:20:11 AM
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How is it the moral lesson here? Is US even an ally? My country likes to l*ck Uncle Sam's bal*s. And just because Uncle Sam allows her to, she thinks he's an ally. We're a clueless, meek, nation. Perhaps the moral of the story should be to trust no one, depend on no one. 

Self-sufficiency should be the goal. If we can produce for our own needs, if producers prefer the domestic market rather than the export market, perhaps a nation can sufficiently stand on its own feet. Maybe we can be the least affected of all these trade wars.

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April 10, 2025, 04:31:45 AM
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Moral lesson: your ally can always want to take advantage of your weakness just to prove a point.
There is always something to get if they're friendly to you. That's it. They can't just like you for being a country that has a lot of citizens who are living peacefully. As long as there is something to take out from a nation, they'd suck it out. We love the citizens, but not the leaders. It's the same for most countries that they're peaceful and loving people but they don't like the government. They'd say that it's for the sake of the good people but who knows if there is some personal interest that's being played with all of these decisions. It's a fact that you can be allies but you can't be a friend forever. Just take it as an example with US-Canada relations.

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April 10, 2025, 04:52:50 AM
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Self-sufficiency should be the goal. If we can produce for our own needs, if producers prefer the domestic market rather than the export market, perhaps a nation can sufficiently stand on its own feet. Maybe we can be the least affected of all these trade wars.


But is politics that simple? Suppose if you are heavily dependent on the US from economic to military, now you don't want to depend on them anymore by becoming self-sufficient. Do you think the US will support and let you do it easily without trying to stop or sabotage? As you can see, any country that intends to reduce its dependence on them or wants to become independent will certainly be subject to sanctions ranging from economic to military and possibly causing that economy to collapse.

The most basic knowledge to maintain the throne, there is no better way than to force others to depend and obey you, or be willing to restrain their development. Because once they can grow, not only will they no longer depend on you, but they will even threaten your throne.

Not to mention, to be self-sufficient, we also need mineral resources, human resources, technology...How many countries have all of these factors? Self-sufficiency is something that every country thinks about but the problem is that it is easier said than done.

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April 10, 2025, 05:21:09 AM
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Trump pauses the tariff for 90 days according to the news. It ain't so bad now, the countries that thinks they'd be affected the most can prepare for 90 days before it resumes. This should give each country time to make changes on their policies and would probably be able to make it when its here.

The countries that did retaliate faster than this pause I think will not backdown as long as its status is just postponed.
Whether ally or not, just do not depend on other countries now. The world will move on whatever happens to other countries.

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April 10, 2025, 05:48:10 AM
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US is a giant economy, ally or not it will have impact to your economy so you can't really avoid it.

best course of action for countries around the world is to open exports and imports through multilateral means to various countries, as much as possible.

but ultimately, the fact that US is a big economy with many rich buyers, means tariff is definitely their effective weapon.

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April 10, 2025, 06:30:34 AM
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Moral lesson: your ally can always want to take advantage of your weakness just to prove a point.
It is not moral but purely financial beneficiaries. Allies can gain beneficiaries mutually in most cases but sometimes they abuse their allies mainly for their own benefits while they are very well aware of potential damages to their allies.

Your allies if intend to abuse and exploit your weakness or bad policies will not inform you about these things. They are smart enough to do exploitation silently because this approach can help them maximizing exploitation and maintaining it in a longer period.

If you have weakness but fail to cover it through policies and more terribly enforce bad policies to show off your weakness to allies and competitors, your country will be exploited severely by both allies and competitors.

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Moral lesson: your ally can always want to take advantage of your weakness just to prove a point.
There is a paradox in your lesson. By definition someone who is taking advantage of you is NOT your ally. It is more like a parasite than an ally if you ask me.

So the lesson here is to first learn about the party you are dealing with and define it correctly. For example from US regime's perspective there are NO allies. They only categorize other countries into two categories: (1) clients (2) enemies.
After we defined that, we can have a clearer relationships and not be surprised when that other party acts in a certain way. Meaning when Canada for example realizes US regime sees it as a client (that is to be milked like a cow) they won't be surprised when they are tariff'ed!

When that's clarified, better policies that are suitable to interact with that party can be designed...

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April 10, 2025, 07:44:12 AM
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US is a giant economy, ally or not it will have impact to your economy so you can't really avoid it..
Yeah US has a giant economy because that's what we have being constructed in mind to accept, but we should understand that if the small or other economies doesn't align with them in their major numbers as it is today then their will be no giant figure in them.

 But the problem with smaller units is that they refuse to united against the so-called giant. Forgetting that this giant can't stand alone in reality he needs allies (relationships) to maintain their economic dominance.

Singularly they can't stand for too long, by comparative advantage there are many things the US lacks also. But due to interests these other economies doesn't seems to make this feasible.


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April 10, 2025, 08:03:05 AM
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If not for anything then I think one thing this Trump tarrif levy which has really smashed hard on many economies globally would teach a lot of country leaders the need to make for alternative survival route in the future should such situation repeat itself with another US president reiterating a tariff war as this kind.

Moral lesson: your ally can always want to take advantage of your weakness just to prove a point.

There is no moral here, country has been trying to survived for many years with or without the tariffs. And this has been ongoing for years, but it was just recently that Trump imposes huge percentage that it become a issue with most of it allies.

But in any case, it's a good test for them, to many become self reliant and not rely on countries like US. On the contrary, this is a bad decision for Trump as even hist most close allies in Europe and Asia doesn't like what he doing.


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April 10, 2025, 08:06:57 AM
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If not for anything then I think one thing this Trump tarrif levy which has really smashed hard on many economies globally would teach a lot of country leaders the need to make for alternative survival route in the future should such situation repeat itself with another US president reiterating a tariff war as this kind.

Moral lesson: your ally can always want to take advantage of your weakness just to prove a point.

I think through history this can be seen repeatedly. The US is the world super power, everybody else playe to their tune. Obviously leaders have to look after their own individual interests but nobody gets away with screwing over the US & that has been seen with this tariffs situation. My uneducated advice on this topic to leaders would be simply to get on the right side of the US.
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US is a giant economy, ally or not it will have impact to your economy so you can't really avoid it..
Yeah US has a giant economy because that's what we have being constructed in mind to accept, but we should understand that if the small or other economies doesn't align with them in their major numbers as it is today then their will be no giant figure in them.

 But the problem with smaller units is that they refuse to united against the so-called giant. Forgetting that this giant can't stand alone in reality he needs allies (relationships) to maintain their economic dominance.

Singularly they can't stand for too long, by comparative advantage there are many things the US lacks also. But due to interests these other economies doesn't seems to make this feasible.

First of all, you need to know that they have a GDP economy of over 30 trillion dollars and contribute to 1/3 of the global GDP. They are the financial center because more than half of the world's financial market capitalization is under their control. Most importantly, they control the world's money printing machine (Fed)...Looking at that it may seem that we can fight them, but do you see that it is not easy and it will cost us dearly?

Have you ever thought how long your country could survive if your government joined the anti-american alliance before they collapsed? And can you guarantee that the people of your country will also stand with the government against the US, or will you and everyone blame and criticize the government when your life is difficult? Your country will collapse faster because it will face domestic opposition and resistance from the US at that time. The same will happen in other countries.
In theory it all sounds easy but in reality there are many problems to solve, easier said than done.

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April 10, 2025, 08:51:44 AM
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If not for anything then I think one thing this Trump tarrif levy which has really smashed hard on many economies globally would teach a lot of country leaders the need to make for alternative survival route in the future should such situation repeat itself with another US president reiterating a tariff war as this kind.

Moral lesson: your ally can always want to take advantage of your weakness just to prove a point.
A country that feels strong only wants to prove one thing, namely about the strength they currently have so they will not want to lose to what other countries have set for them in terms of the economy. I am only more worried about the condition of the crypto and stock markets when there are two big countries still fighting over import tariffs at this time. Because when the market becomes sluggish, of course economic development will also be very slow and even trade turnover will not be stable enough in some countries that are still small.

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A country that feels strong only wants to prove one thing, namely about the strength they currently have so they will not want to lose to what other countries have set for them in terms of the economy. I am only more worried about the condition of the crypto and stock markets when there are two big countries still fighting over import tariffs at this time. Because when the market becomes sluggish, of course economic development will also be very slow and even trade turnover will not be stable enough in some countries that are still small.
of course it will hamper the economic factors of small countries, with this policy it can suppress the value of crypto assets in the market and that has happened by experiencing fluctuations that are difficult to recover, with the increase in import tariffs, large countries do not want to give in, instead they raise their respective tariffs and the effects caused by world trade will decline and new problems will arise which of course affect the world economy.

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If not for anything then I think one thing this Trump tarrif levy which has really smashed hard on many economies globally would teach a lot of country leaders the need to make for alternative survival route in the future should such situation repeat itself with another US president reiterating a tariff war as this kind.
Any government can impose tariffs due to multitude of reasons including to protect nascent industries, fortify national defense programs, support domestic employment opportunities, combat aggressive trade policies, and protect the environment. Not only US can do this but Trump's tariff war was widely spoken about due to its aggressive and intense impact. USA receives a lot of imports from different countries so it was only normal for manufacturers and investors to feel uneasy with the heightened tax they would have to pay should they want to continue their operations with imported products. For other countries, exports are a big contributing factor to the economy. Preparation should go both ways.
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Moral lesson: your ally can always want to take advantage of your weakness just to prove a point.
USA and China are not allies and I believe that Trump could have done this to prove a point to China. China and USA have been going back and forth increasing each other's tariffs. They both do not want to back down and who knows until when this will go?
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Running a country is like running a business.. you can’t afford to keep friends that offer no benefit. Everyone has their own strategies, and if you play your cards right, you come out on top.

Now, looking at the tariff war, it might seem like the U.S. is winning because they set the rules by being the first to impose high tariffs on other countries. But in reality, they’re not. In fact, they’ve just announced a 90-day pause on new tariffs, which shows they’re not as dominant as they appear.

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Running a country is like running a business.. you can’t afford to keep friends that offer no benefit. Everyone has their own strategies, and if you play your cards right, you come out on top.

Now, looking at the tariff war, it might seem like the U.S. is winning because they set the rules by being the first to impose high tariffs on other countries. But in reality, they’re not. In fact, they’ve just announced a 90-day pause on new tariffs, which shows they’re not as dominant as they appear.

But make sure you are doing justifiable action since if you do crazy things like squeezing other nation thru things that can affect their economy then I think this is not really good action to be done.

I'd rather like the government to enter on Free Trade Agreement to other countries since this would be more beneficial to all and there's no trade war will happen. But I guess those dumb officials just like to taunt other country and just want to show how powerful they are that's why implement things like giving high tariffs on many countries. That 90 day pause indicate they fail and want lower down the pressure of  bad decisions they have done.

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April 10, 2025, 12:50:54 PM
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Running a country is like running a business.. you can’t afford to keep friends that offer no benefit. Everyone has their own strategies, and if you play your cards right, you come out on top.

Now, looking at the tariff war, it might seem like the U.S. is winning because they set the rules by being the first to impose high tariffs on other countries. But in reality, they’re not. In fact, they’ve just announced a 90-day pause on new tariffs, which shows they’re not as dominant as they appear.

But make sure you are doing justifiable action since if you do crazy things like squeezing other nation thru things that can affect their economy then I think this is not really good action to be done.

I'd rather like the government to enter on Free Trade Agreement to other countries since this would be more beneficial to all and there's no trade war will happen. But I guess those dumb officials just like to taunt other country and just want to show how powerful they are that's why implement things like giving high tariffs on many countries. That 90 day pause indicate they fail and want lower down the pressure of  bad decisions they have done.

The U.S. wouldn't bully other nations if it didn't believe in its own superiority. But as we've seen with the tariff war which ultimately failed, forcing them to pause it because their aggressive tactics don't work. That said, they remain powerful and can always pivot to other strategies to maintain their dominant position, especially with China rapidly catching up.

What's remarkable is that if any other country attempted the same heavy-handed approaches as the U.S., they would likely face severe consequences. But America gets away with it precisely because of its bully status and global influence.

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If not for anything then I think one thing this Trump tarrif levy which has really smashed hard on many economies globally would teach a lot of country leaders the need to make for alternative survival route in the future should such situation repeat itself with another US president reiterating a tariff war as this kind.

Moral lesson: your ally can always want to take advantage of your weakness just to prove a point.

Only Trump did this to his allies, other presidents just continue what has been the tradition eversince the alliance have been made, this is is unexpected to many countries, now they have something to think about, and will likeley have a back up plan from now.
Trump still has a term to finish and Trump's indecisiveness will make countries to be self reliance, and if a republican become another president then there will be a continuation of Trump's policy so countries will haver to make a lot of adjustment, for now Trump only thinks of America and not of their allies welfare.

 
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April 10, 2025, 07:42:17 PM
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If not for anything then I think one thing this Trump tarrif levy which has really smashed hard on many economies globally would teach a lot of country leaders the need to make for alternative survival route in the future should such situation repeat itself with another US president reiterating a tariff war as this kind.

Moral lesson: your ally can always want to take advantage of your weakness just to prove a point.

Survival route from where? Is there any other country that sit at the world trade zone other than the US, they created the system, made the system to be all for them and it has been like that, you see that China tarrif? It's personal and that's because US have an agenda to cripple them and teach them they are the real people that can own other countries but China has refused to bow down that's why the tarrif number war has been on the increase since last week.

No matter how developed your country has been, you need US because there is no other country like US, there is only one US, even China doesn't comes close and that's why you see other countries are begging and looking for a way to settle with United state to reduced the tarrif hike, you want an alternative? You need to start trading with other countries but I bet your GDB wouldn't reach quarter of benefits you are getting from US, not every other deals are public, I'm not sure other countries will be lenient and favour like US, I hate them but the truth is you need them.

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