Possible cheating in Betpanda campaign

[Brahmahatyaa]

(I don't know if they violated the rules on that forum)

I've just looked at the forum you're referring to. Of course, they also violated the forum rules.

Every user that reaches hero rank can have 2 additional accounts that should be declared as duplicates.
Thus a total of 3 accounts that can join bounty and signature campaigns.
The bounty managers have no problem accepting the duplicates accounts if content quality is good.

However, if you were caught with undeclared duplicate accounts (participating in bounties/ sig campaigns), all your accounts are tagged as red dot.
If you are running an account farm, you'll have cheater tag.

If @Jating and @Kemarit are the same person, he also violated @AB de Royse777 campaign rules in the neighboring forum.

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[DYING_S0UL]

I have been following this thread for some days and waiting for their defense, but it seems they stopped their activity. This can't be a coincidence, right? All of them stopped being active at the same time. I saw LM mentioning the accused users on his Telegram channel, but there is still no answer. People don't just disappear or stop coming to the forum, certainly not all of them at once! Being silent isn't a good sign. The more time passes the more impatient the users become and makes the situation worse.

[JeromeTash]

These things make me wonder how many accounts these cheaters can manage. I think that even if I didn't have a main job, if I wanted to maintain a minimum of quality in my posts I don't think I could handle more than two accounts, three if I my food on the table depended on it. The guy who cheated in the CM campaign and nutildah busted managed three accounts, but on the third one he didn't usually complete all the posts. If I were to lower the quality and do a lot of shitposting in the gambling section, as these types of accounts tend to do a lot, I think I'd have a very hard time keeping more than four. But seeing this kind of things I wouldn't be surprised if some of them manage half a dozen accounts or more. And even more thinking that in certain countries with what they earn from signature campaigns they can live like Marajahs.

You will be shocked by how determined some people are. In the past, there were alt account farms that were exposed, some in hundred, and I also couldn't help but wonder how someone could manage to post through a number of accounts every day of the week

There is someone who even had about 4 accounts in the high quality Chipmixer signature campaign, and they did post quite well for years until they got exposed. Remember, the campaign required a maximum of about 50 posts per week!

[The Cryptovator]

It is already clear to me that there are three alts accounts managed by the same person. If I haven't tagged them yet it's because LM is the one I think should do it first, and I guess he will have given them a reasonable time to answer. Besides there is no hurry, as they are not active they are not going to scam anyone.

Exactly the same reason I haven't tagged yet. I have sent them a DM to reply on this thread, included the thread link. They should receive mail as well from the forum ends. So waiting for their response on this thread. Since they broke the LM campaign rules, I believe he can tag at the right time. So others will start tagging them. Judgement should be the same for everyone, but I feel bad when we are forced to ruin a higher rank account just for greedy behaviour.

However, I will wait for a couple of days more; otherwise, I may tag or leave neutral feedback on their profile. Waiting for LM feedback, and I will decide later.

[Lucius]

The last time all three accounts were online was on April 28. But it is noteworthy that on the neighboring forum, they also participated in signature companies; two participated in one (I don't know if they violated the rules on that forum), but their visits were at different times.

That is definitely forbidden, just like on this forum - in fact, it is against the rules there to have an alt account and not declare it publicly. However, their activity there has ceased, as it has on this forum, which is certainly not a coincidence. Regarding different visiting times, it is possible that these accounts are shared between different people (family members or friends).

But still, if there are no explanations and justifications, then we can guess that these three accounts were thrown out as unnecessary since there are several more; for the owner, there is no big problem to write from other accounts.
Their sending of merits is quite a template; I think that everyone to whom numerous merits were sent may also belong to this owner.

Ignoring is probably the best possible thing for the person behind all three accounts, because we already know that in situations like this, a lot more things are exposed if they start defending themselves.

~snip~
I've been thinking about a new data project for a while: once in a while someone finds the same address that is posted by different users, and I assume they find those by searching for that one address.

For me personally, this is a great idea - anything that can expose these leeches is welcome on the forum. It would be even better if you had more data, say IP addresses, considering that most of these "geniuses" probably use the same IP addresses for all their accounts.

[lovesmayfamilis]

For me personally, this is a great idea - anything that can expose these leeches is welcome on the forum. It would be even better if you had more data, say IP addresses, considering that most of these "geniuses" probably use the same IP addresses for all their accounts.

If the possibility of blocking by IP addresses ever appears, the forum will lose a third of its users. Not everyone knows how to separate multi-accounts by different IP addresses; there will always be errors, and it will be quite expensive for these farmers to buy a separate IP address for each account. If we remember the times of bounty, then farmers registered more than a hundred accounts, and all this could have been prevented by not allowing registrations from one IP address.

Edit: I am not against registering alternative accounts, but a sense of proportion, that is, having three accounts per IP, is more than enough to not violate freedom of speech and democracy, which is often the basis for allowing alts.

[Lucius]

If the possibility of blocking by IP addresses ever appears, the forum will lose a third of its users.
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The forum has a way to block bad IP addresses in a certain range (for new users), but that obviously doesn't stop anyone from making literally countless accounts here. I wasn't specifically talking about prevention, but about using the existing IP address base in combination with coin addresses - of course if they were available to anyone but the admin.

Of course, that won't happen, because as you say, it would do more harm than good.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

There is someone who even had about 4 accounts in the high quality Chipmixer signature campaign, and they did post quite well for years until they got exposed. Remember, the campaign required a maximum of about 50 posts per week!

After posting I thought about it, that the CM paid for a maximum of 50 posts. But it wasn't 4 accounts, it was 3, and the third one didn't usually complete the 50 posts, which would be the equivalent of managing 5 accounts now at 25 posts per account. What I do think is that there may be many that are not controlled by the same person but by farms, like the one in the famous photo.

It would be even better if you had more data, say IP addresses, considering that most of these "geniuses" probably use the same IP addresses for all their accounts.

As far as I remember only theymos and Cyrus have access to IPs, and I would be very surprised if they would share that information with anyone unless it comes from a legal requirement, let alone in a massive way like this. And in the EU they would be breaking the data protection regulation, I don't know how it would be in the USA, where the forum is legally based, where I guess they would be more permissive.

[mcdouglasx]

I have family commitments this weekend, so I'll read them tomorrow. I don't understand why every little thing that goes against certain ideals is taken so seriously. Peace and love—I’m just trying to contribute to the forum.

I’ve looked at the spreadsheets for the campaigns, and honestly, they’re disappointing. 99% of the workers barely meet the required number of posts per campaign. If the requirement is 20, they publish between 20-21; if it’s 25, they publish between 25-26... Stop being hypocrites. When I worked, the requirement was 20 posts per week, and I always averaged 40.

So, screw the cheaters. And screw the lazy ones.

[Xiestar]

So, screw the cheaters. And screw the lazy ones.

Screw campaign manager that doesn’t accept you because you can post more?

Your logic is an ass licker employee because post quota is set to determine each post rate. Above post quota is already considered as overtime without pay. Why campaign manager needs to determine post quota if that’s not the ideal basis for the post count?

So if you are working 8hrs at job, you will extend up to 12hrs without pay because you are not lazy? Following the work guidelines is not a sign of laziness. You’re just a hypocrite.

Edit: I am not against registering alternative accounts, but a sense of proportion, that is, having three accounts per IP, is more than enough to not violate freedom of speech and democracy, which is often the basis for allowing alts.

And this is your opinion. Forum doesn’t moderate trust system, scam, multiple account and many more that you guys making a big deal.

Because you are getting a +1 on your signature post for discussing this topic over and over while the forum itself already has rules.

Create your own forum then implement your wet dreams idea. See for yourself how many members will register. You guys don’t understand the freedom which is given to us.

All this drama nonsense becomes a big deal because of signature campaign.

Ban @LoyceV for signature and avatar promotion, let’s see if he will still be active here.  


@theymos I suggest to ban signature and avatar campaigns to solve all the issue that drains the energy of our investigator and high reputable member.

If we really want an organic discussion here in the forum.

[babo]

If the possibility of blocking by IP addresses ever appears, the forum will lose a third of its users. Not everyone knows how to separate multi-accounts by different IP addresses; there will always be errors, and it will be quite expensive for these farmers to buy a separate IP address for each account. If we remember the times of bounty, then farmers registered more than a hundred accounts, and all this could have been prevented by not allowing registrations from one IP address.

Edit: I am not against registering alternative accounts, but a sense of proportion, that is, having three accounts per IP, is more than enough to not violate freedom of speech and democracy, which is often the basis for allowing alts.

exactly, how did we not think of this before!!! we block all accounts that connect from an IP
so connecting from TOR will be impossible, so everyone (state of course) listening in the routers will know that you are connecting to bitcointalk (in countries where freedom does not exist)
how have we managed not to think about it in these years?

[nutildah]

So, screw the cheaters. And screw the lazy ones.

Screw campaign manager that doesn’t accept you because you can post more?

That's not what he's saying at all. He's saying he posts more because he genuinely enjoys posting (I know its impossible for you to believe, but some people actually enjoy posting here). In all probability he doesn't have a host of alt accounts either, so he has more time to post what he wants, when he wants. Imagine that...

Above post quota is already considered as overtime without pay.

This is perhaps one of the stupidest takes I've ever read about this forum. And I've seen a lot of stupid takes.

So if you are working 8hrs at job, you will extend up to 12hrs without pay because you are not lazy? Following the work guidelines is not a sign of laziness. You’re just a hypocrite.

Its not a "job", its a privilege.

[mcdouglasx]

So, screw the cheaters. And screw the lazy ones.

Screw campaign manager that doesn’t accept you because you can post more?

Your logic is an ass licker employee because post quota is set to determine each post rate. Above post quota is already considered as overtime without pay. Why campaign manager needs to determine post quota if that’s not the ideal basis for the post count?

So if you are working 8hrs at job, you will extend up to 12hrs without pay because you are not lazy? Following the work guidelines is not a sign of laziness. You’re just a hypocrite.

As @nutildah says, there are people who enjoy being here, whether we are in campaigns or not. Likewise, I don't see anything wrong with joining campaigns if we spend a lot of time here. after all, we will be here often anyway.

Maybe I don't make a single comment some days, but I have developed a habit of being here. To be honest, I can't remember the last time I went a whole day without at least opening the page just to read the threads from the shadows.

[Xiestar]

So, screw the cheaters. And screw the lazy ones.

Screw campaign manager that doesn’t accept you because you can post more?

That's not what he's saying at all. He's saying he posts more because he genuinely enjoys posting (I know its impossible for you to believe, but some people actually enjoy posting here). In all probability he doesn't have a host of alt accounts either, so he has more time to post what he wants, when he wants. Imagine that...

He is trying to imposed that his behavior should be the standard here.

If he is enjoying posting then why the heck he needs to apply on signature campaign?

Above post quota is already considered as overtime without pay.

This is perhaps one of the stupidest takes I've ever read about this forum. And I've seen a lot of stupid takes.

Seriously, what’s the sense of having post quota on campaign.

So if you are working 8hrs at job, you will extend up to 12hrs without pay because you are not lazy? Following the work guidelines is not a sign of laziness. You’re just a hypocrite.

Its not a "job", its a privilege.

And who define this shit?

It’s the most hypocritical take. You are being paid per post therefore it’s a job no matter how you twist it. Wtf privilege is this. You are applying to get a spot to do the job of posting while signature is attached on your sig space.

[Free Market Capitalist]

Its not a "job", its a privilege.

I do not agree with this. We have many people from low average income countries for whom signature campaigns are a job, and they can live thanks to them. "Privilege” sounds quite like ideology to me.

The money one earns honestly is proportional to the value one brings. That's why the best posters on the forum are usually the best paid. There is nothing privileged about it, it is a matter of merit.

[Little Mouse]

Neg tagged both Baofeng and Jating. Neutral tag for Kemarit, although likely I'll remove this one in the near future since there's no concrete proof.

What an easy way to waste all these high-ranking accounts! What was most surprising is they didn't even bother to make an excuse. Maybe account farming is at such a high level that they don't have the time for making some excuses. The time they need to waste here for clearing up things have less value than posting from the other account. Just a guess. I might be totaly wrong.

[nutildah]

He is trying to imposed that his behavior should be the standard here.

Seems to me like he's just giving his opinion.

If he is enjoying posting then why the heck he needs to apply on signature campaign?

Because as I said above, its a privilege to get paid for posting. Nobody has to hire a poster. It is totally up to the manager who they want to pick and for whatever reasons. Same thing on who they want to "fire." There's several posters here who aren't in a signature campaign and never intend to be. So why do you think they are they here?

Seriously, what’s the sense of having post quota on campaign.

Like I said, its up to the campaign manager to run their campaign the way they want. They don't have to have quotas, and I have been in campaigns that didn't.

It’s the most hypocritical take. You are being paid per post therefore it’s a job no matter how you twist it. Wtf privilege is this. You are applying to get a spot to do the job of posting while signature is attached on your sig space.

Its really easy to understand. I write quite a few posts that I don't get paid for. Why would I do that if I didn't enjoy posting? That's why its not a job.

[Lucius]

It would be even better if you had more data, say IP addresses, considering that most of these "geniuses" probably use the same IP addresses for all their accounts.

As far as I remember only theymos and Cyrus have access to IPs, and I would be very surprised if they would share that information with anyone unless it comes from a legal requirement, let alone in a massive way like this. And in the EU they would be breaking the data protection regulation, I don't know how it would be in the USA, where the forum is legally based, where I guess they would be more permissive.

Of course, admins have access to everything, but as far as I know, at least 3 members of Team Cryptios had (or still have) access to IP addresses because they need it for their work. I didn't mean for this data to be shared publicly and en masse, but rather for it to be given to a trusted person who would use it to detect alt accounts that abuse sig campaigns.

~snip~
I’ve looked at the spreadsheets for the campaigns, and honestly, they’re disappointing. 99% of the workers barely meet the required number of posts per campaign. If the requirement is 20, they publish between 20-21; if it’s 25, they publish between 25-26... Stop being hypocrites. When I worked, the requirement was 20 posts per week, and I always averaged 40.

So, screw the cheaters. And screw the lazy ones.

It's nice that you shared your opinion about what you think of 99% of the forum members - while I agree that there are many who consider this forum just a business opportunity, I think there are a lot more than the 1% who find this forum a bit more then writing posts to fulfill their weekly quota.

If someone writes between 20 and 30 posts a week, and most sig campaigns have such requirements anyway, why would they be bad or a hypocrite for not writing twice as many posts to prove something? Besides, you use the term "worked" for your participation in sig campaigns, and that term is mostly used by those for whom the forum is a job - so talking about hypocrisy is not something you should lecture anyone about.

[mcdouglasx]

~snip~
I’ve looked at the spreadsheets for the campaigns, and honestly, they’re disappointing. 99% of the workers barely meet the required number of posts per campaign. If the requirement is 20, they publish between 20-21; if it’s 25, they publish between 25-26... Stop being hypocrites. When I worked, the requirement was 20 posts per week, and I always averaged 40.

So, screw the cheaters. And screw the lazy ones.

It's nice that you shared your opinion about what you think of 99% of the forum members - while I agree that there are many who consider this forum just a business opportunity, I think there are a lot more than the 1% who find this forum a bit more then writing posts to fulfill their weekly quota.

If someone writes between 20 and 30 posts a week, and most sig campaigns have such requirements anyway, why would they be bad or a hypocrite for not writing twice as many posts to prove something? Besides, you use the term "worked" for your participation in sig campaigns, and that term is mostly used by those for whom the forum is a job - so talking about hypocrisy is not something you should lecture anyone about.

I didn't actually do the calculations; I suppose it's understood that it's an exaggeration to make a satirical reference to what happens in the forum.

So, screw the cheaters. And screw the lazy ones.

Screw campaign manager that doesn’t accept you because you can post more?

That's not what he's saying at all. He's saying he posts more because he genuinely enjoys posting (I know its impossible for you to believe, but some people actually enjoy posting here). In all probability he doesn't have a host of alt accounts either, so he has more time to post what he wants, when he wants. Imagine that...

He is trying to imposed that his behavior should be the standard here.

If he is enjoying posting then why the heck he needs to apply on signature campaign?

I'm just sharing my opinion, just like you.


It's fair that some view it as a job, and theoretically, it is one. However, I see it more as an incentive because I cannot rely on it to make a living as I would with a formal job, nor does it provide the financial security of consistent, long-term income.

At least that's how I see it.

[The Cryptovator]

Neg tagged both Baofeng and Jating. Neutral tag for Kemarit, although likely I'll remove this one in the near future since there's no concrete proof.

What an easy way to waste all these high-ranking accounts! What was most surprising is they didn't even bother to make an excuse. Maybe account farming is at such a high level that they don't have the time for making some excuses. The time they need to waste here for clearing up things have less value than posting from the other account. Just a guess. I might be totaly wrong.

You did the right thing. I left negative feedback for Baofeng and Jating. I let Kemarit take advantage of doubts, though I assume three accounts are connected. If someone else feels he could tag him as well. I really feel bad such a high-ranked account due to their greedy behaviour.

Since they haven't replied here, although I have invited them through DM, I believe they have been managing more accounts. They just leave this account and become active from other accounts. I had been really waiting to hear from them about the allegations. I just regret why they were needed to abuse the campaign and why they didn't enrol in the different campaigns.