Iran - Israel War

[348Judah]

The so-called peace deal meeting was just in case Iran refuses to talk, so they can blame Iran. The plan was that, no matter if Iran agrees or not, the USA will attack Iran using Israel. Israel attacked four countries in the last seven days. What do they want, actually? Peace, or some pieces of these countries?

It got to an extent that people outside the political and economic settings who are not fully involved on the current situation of what led to the attacks they had been seeing, will always think n that Israel is right in every of their steps, but no, am no more in support of what is wrong, because i see no reason on why Israel should launch an attack when they are having a negotiation meeting in two days time, secondly, we all know that Israel is not in the best position of facing Iran without the help of the US, so what are we now saying.

Iran should better get to understand that probably their worst enemy is not even Israel, but US who has been behind many similar experiences in this manner.

[Iranus]

What do they want, actually? Peace, or some pieces of these countries?

Israel is the closest ally of the US in the Middle East or in other words, they represents the US in the region. Whatever they do is under the direction and interests of the US.

Just think, a country becomes rich and powerful by selling weapons, looting resources, land...from the rest of the world. They then maintain their dominance by oppressing, suppressing, obstructing, and even attacking any nation that threatens their position. I would be surprised if what they want is "peace" because that would make them weaker. Instead, in order to sell more weapons, to have more mineral resources, they need to have war. That is why the world has never been peaceful since the United States became a superpower, especially in regions and countries with huge mineral resources.

[franky1]

news today:

iranian crown prince Reza Pahlavi denounced the nuclear/genocide regime of the 'supreme leader Ayatollah' and so the prince will start a new peaceful regime

the iranian prince does not seek political power himself, but wants to organise a democratic path to peace (national referendum)

initially he simply wants those begrudgingly part of tehrans (supreme leaders) military but want to join/transition to a new regime of peace, they can come over to the princes organisation

there will be a summit of leaders, managers, organisers of politics, businesses and activists that want peace,  to discuss and come up with a plan to transition in a way the iranian people want.

[Sarah Jordan]

I would say Israel attack on iran is uncalled for. No matter their reasons. These country or the people in the country hasn't given israel any reason to attack them.
The US getting involved agitating for peace is a good one. But then again while agitating for peace it is wrong on the side of the Israelis too still go as far as sending more missiles destroying Iran again. As a result of their killing so many.

The Question I want ask is;
Are the US government not aware of the said action done by the Israelis to Iranians. In the period while they call for peace between the two countries.?

What does the US government have to defend themselves on not siding with Israelis to send the missiles that destroyed Iran while agitating for peace? I just wish this whole peace talk is genuine. And I hope these whole thing doesn't lead to world war three.

[Sarah Jordan]

Hey Community!

The USA has been saying that it wants a peace deal with Iran, and the middle country was Oman. They are supposed to be in a meeting this Sunday (today) on Mascot regarding the peace deal. But suddenly out of nowhere, Israel attacked Iran and killed 9 Nuclear scientists and a couple of high officials. Some people are saying Iran does not want peace.

Well, if so, why did Israel attack Iran while they were supposed to be in a meeting in two days? At first, the USA said they didn't know anything about this attack. A day later, Trump said he knew everything and that the attack happened using US weapons.

The so-called peace deal meeting was just in case Iran refuses to talk, so they can blame Iran. The plan was that, no matter if Iran agrees or not, the USA will attack Iran using Israel. Israel attacked four countries in the last seven days. What do they want, actually? Peace, or some pieces of these countries?

in all of this, all i can see and say in this whole banter between the two countries. it's the fight for world power. The US just want other countries to be beneath them. I just wish this matter is resolved amicably without grudges from both end.

[DaRude]

news today:

iranian crown prince Reza Pahlavi denounced the nuclear/genocide regime of the 'supreme leader Ayatollah' and so the prince will start a new peaceful regime

the iranian prince does not seek political power himself, but wants to organise a democratic path to peace (national referendum)

initially he simply wants those begrudgingly part of tehrans (supreme leaders) military but want to join/transition to a new regime of peace, they can come over to the princes organisation

there will be a summit of leaders, managers, organisers of politics, businesses and activists that want peace,  to discuss and come up with a plan to transition in a way the iranian people want.

haha did he say it from Washington DC where he lives, and will the summit take place in Tel Aviv?  

So, we can tell that minions got activated to start pushing for a regime change...

[Akbarkoe]

I would say Israel attack on iran is uncalled for. No matter their reasons. These country or the people in the country hasn't given israel any reason to attack them.
The US getting involved agitating for peace is a good one. But then again while agitating for peace it is wrong on the side of the Israelis too still go as far as sending more missiles destroying Iran again. As a result of their killing so many.

The Question I want ask is;
Are the US government not aware of the said action done by the Israelis to Iranians. In the period while they call for peace between the two countries.?

What does the US government have to defend themselves on not siding with Israelis to send the missiles that destroyed Iran while agitating for peace? I just wish this whole peace talk is genuine. And I hope these whole thing doesn't lead to world war three.

Israel does not have a good enough reason to attack Iran's territory on the grounds of being on guard because if Iran succeeds in developing nuclear weapons, this will be a threat to the Middle East and disrupt stability in the Middle East, even though the biggest threat in the Middle East comes from Israel because they are one of the countries with the most nuclear weapons in the world.

And the United States came as a late arrival on the pretext of being a peacemaker for the chaos that occurred in the Middle East. But what actually happened was what the US did by carrying out a direct attack on Iranian territory, and destroying 3 Iranian nuclear sites, instead of being able to reduce the conflict that occurred, this actually fueled the flames of war. Iran will not be affected by the threats given by the US, in fact now Iran plans to blockade the Strait of Hormuz which will make the economic and trade situation uncertain.

And at this time in several cities in the United States, many US people are taking action to condemn what the US military did by carrying out a direct attack on Iran. It's funny, Trump came as a peacemaker for the conflict that occurred in the Middle East, but the rejection actually came from his own citizens.

[pooya87]

haha did he say it from Washington DC where he lives, and will the summit take place in Tel Aviv?   

So, we can tell that minions got activated to start pushing for a regime change...

They are burning all their cards very quickly out of desperation. Now that the NATO-Zionist-Takfiri axis is targeting civilians any idiot who supports this axis is going to be "canceled". Obviously the son of the dictator of Iran whom Iranians overthrow back in '79 is already hated enough without supporting this axis

P.S. Is the gas station commonly known as Qatar about to light up tonight? ...

[Just Common]

The situation in the Iran-Israel war is getting worse and worse. Since the US attack on Iran, Iran's allies have been reacting and condemning it in various ways on social media. Today, someone attacked an American military base in Hasakah province, Syria. Everyone on social media is wondering if Iran or Iran's allies carried out this attack.

[paxmao]

i can tell whom are the gen z, gen alpha types..

the young with lack of life experience and only thoughts come from social media
the young that have never lived in a time of war(not even born before/during the 1990's gulf war era)
the young that dont learn about history because their school history teacher was more interested in selling the history of transgender-ism positives to kids

and the most important
the young who have never experienced an adult giving them a quick slap across the back of the head, and being told to stop messing around

when you are hit just once in a spot that really hurts.. and realise your not going to win the argument. you soon learn to shut up, sit down and give up the fight
you learn quick to not earn a second slap
..
those pretending iran won something this month.
those pretending iran deserves to now declare world war on many countries
those pretending iran deserves russia and china to buddy up with...
.. need to learn that iran had the slap across the back of the head last night.. its time iran shut up, sit down and give up the fight

sign the peace deal, get some sanctions lifted so iran can rebuild and prosper economically(not militarily) PEACEFULLY

Yes let's totally ignore who's buying all of that Iranian oil, and pretend total control over middle east doesn't provide US a huge advantage. Nukes? Strike on an embassy? whatever the thinktanks report is more palatable for population. Thing is China are not idiots, all they care is that the regime that sells them oil which is not controlled by US stands, thus US assurances of limited strike. Netanyahu stays out of jail a bit longer, Trump gets his little military victory, Iran regime stands, consolidates and rallies around the flag, China gets bigger control in Iran, Russia gets higher oil prices, everyone wins.

 

Again, it does not matter if it is today, tomorrow or in a year. There is a nuclear programme, the intention is to create a nuclear warhead that can be missile launched. There are documents of the IAEA explicitly saying so.

WHY WOULD YOU NEED TO WAIT ANY MORE TO "CLOSE IT"

Propaganda or cite IAEA report saying Iran's intention is to have nuclear warhead that can be missile launched. In fact Grossi told CNN said that U.N. inspectors did not have proof that Iran was engaged in “a systematic effort to move into a nuclear weapon.”

But who needs any proof or UN involvement when it's just easier to accuse and attack.

Acquired knowledge cannot be forgotten or bombed out, they'll just build new centrifuges even deeper, so boots on the ground and attempting to create a failed state out of Iran is really the only option. The big question is whether China will allow that to happen, to one if it's largest oil suppliers, can you imagine US standing by if someone attacked Saudis? So i think we all know the answer to that. So drop few bombs call it a PR victory, and everything just continues to how it was before.

Oh, I see, so your argument is that "Iran is not close to develop a weapon" and now you go directly to "Iran does not have a nuclear weapon development programme"?

And according to you, we should trust the Ayatolahs about their pacific intentios on the use of nuclear technology? Is that what you are saying?

So Theran says "oh, no no... we want to destroy Israel, like we say nearly every day, but... no, we will not develop the weapons to do so"?

You must be joking dude.

The IAEA is as good as it gets in terms of (a) knowing (b) being in the terrain (c) as neutral as it gets.

But, and this may be the simplest way of knowing - Iran is negotiating saying clearly that they want to keep their nuclear programe. Iran has several bunkerised facilities - they do not even deny - that do have fisile material and they are denying access for inspection. I would not need any further clues.

So, thank you, but even if there is any doubt about Iran's intentions - and there is not - the safe route is to blast every one of those sites and hopefully also change the government.

So... sorry Da, this is another Ruzzian friend that is going to have its own share of trouble - which is what actually you care about.

Israel is denying access to UN inspectors into their whole country, but i'm sure someone can find justifications for that. If everyone already knows, why do you think Israel and US is lying about Israel having nukes?

Like i told you multiple times, all of this including Ukraine, is all about spheres of influence. Iran is a thorn and US would love nothing more than get a regime that it can control, justifications don't really matter here, but it doesn't look like China will allow that. I'd rather Iran be independent regional power but looks like it's pushed fully right into China's arms.

US urges China to dissuade Iran from closing Strait of Hormuz gets the orange one a short term victory but a h'uuuge strategical mistake for US in long term. EU is fucked as usual with their sanctions lol

Then you should be asking for bombing Israel nuclear facilities - which would be of little use but very risky since they ALREADY have nukes. Are you the only one that does not know that??? Apart, you'd need to find a "volunteer" who can actually do it and get away with it.

On the strait, Iran can TRY to close the strait and face a China that would be the main looser on that. I am not sure if the US is asking China (that is kind of funny) but I am certain China does not need much asking.

Like I told you many times, if you see the world as "spheres of influence" and the people living in the countries have no say, you should not be complaining about the countries "exerting influence".

[franky1]

P.S. Is the gas station commonly known as Qatar about to light up tonight? ...

wow you got one detail analogically near correct
qatar is acting like the middle-easts 'switzerland' (neutral-party/middleman/distributor/tax haven/mediator).

but i got to ask, why.. are you afraid?
after all it was qatar that allowed funds to funnel from iran to hamas via qatar.. are you afraid your hamas idols will get defunded if qatar get hit?
funny part about your other statement is, since 1979 has there been replacement leaders every 4-5 years... nope Khamenei has put himself in power for the last 46 years

the crown prince does not want to become leader of iran, he wants to set up the transition into democracy and elections giving the citizens the power of whom manages their political needs

if you against that then you are for dictatorship by genocidal radical clerics

[WatChe]

The situation is different from what we have seen previously. When US attacked Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya the retaliation from these countries was not significant but Iran has surprised the whole world by first responding to Israel. Right now there are news that Iran has attacked US bases in Qatar and this is a clear indication that Iran is not ready to surrender but using it's "right to defend itself". Next if Iran blocked "Strait of Hormuz" then we might see massive increase in price of oil globally.   

[zenaku]

P.S. Is the gas station commonly known as Qatar about to light up tonight? ...

wow you got one detail analogically near correct
qatar is acting like the middle-easts 'switzerland' (neutral-party/middleman/distributor/tax haven/mediator).

but i got to ask, why.. are you afraid?
after all it was qatar that allowed funds to funnel from iran to hamas via qatar.. are you afraid your hamas idols will get defunded if qatar get hit?
funny part about your other statement is, since 1979 has there been replacement leaders every 4-5 years... nope Khamenei has put himself in power for the last 46 years

the crown prince does not want to become leader of iran, he wants to set up the transition into democracy and elections giving the citizens the power of whom manages their political needs

if you against that then you are for dictatorship by genocidal radical clerics

I promised not to answer you, but I answer you, you are an idiot of the United States, liar, disinformant. America is dirty, always plays dirty, they did not win the Second World War, they do not want the country they do not know how to lose. Stop giving away.

[franky1]

I promised not to answer you, but I answer you, you are an idiot of the United States, liar, disinformant. America is dirty, always plays dirty, they did not win the Second World War, they do not want the country they do not know how to lose. Stop giving away.

im not even american..
you just appear to be a racist genocidal ass licking idiot who will ignore facts just to be loyal to someone whom does not even know you or recognise you

why are you idolising a tyrant that wants to wipe out whole nations and does not want people to educate themselves to hard facts
you are gaining nothing with your efforts. apart from showing yourself up

you fear facts, thats why you ignore or hate those that state facts..
you hate anyone thats not a iranian(or proxy) ass licker.. but you pretend the world of 8 billion are iranian asslicker until you are confronted with the truth that

how about take one day out of your life to try actual research beyond and away from the ass cheeks of the tyrant you adore. wake up to their tactics and wake up to actual history and events that occur

you licking the ass of a tyrant, wont make him love you.. he will just shit on you more..

[BADecker]

The situation is different from what we have seen previously. When US attacked Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya the retaliation from these countries was not significant but Iran has surprised the whole world by first responding to Israel. Right now there are news that Iran has attacked US bases in Qatar and this is a clear indication that Iran is not ready to surrender but using it's "right to defend itself". Next if Iran blocked "Strait of Hormuz" then we might see massive increase in price of oil globally.   

Note that Israel is not any better than Iran.

Many of the people of America think that Israel is the Ancient Israel of God. It is not, even though it may have many people who are partly descended from the Ancient Israel of God. As long as they don't formally accept Jesus as the Son of God, they are not part of God's Israel. They are a political State, just like Iran is.

This whole war is designed to take the focus of Christians off their Christianity.

[OgNasty]

Iran seems to now be confronted with the reality that their weapons aren’t going to be able to do much damage to American interests. Outside of some random person acting by themselves to cause a terror event, they are pretty much helpless against the weapons of the US. I hope this conflict ends soon.

[hellflame]

   

President Trump has just announced a ceasefire. God bless this president for his wisdom and work towards a peaceful resolution to this potential disaster for everyone in the middle east and possibly the world itself. May God bless both the people of Israel and Iran with a lasting peace!

[tvbcof]

Iran should require two very reasonable things with world-wide support:

 1) Iran and Israel both denuclearize down to zero at the same time and submit to inspections by a provably dis-interested regulatory body (the IAEA being a sick joke at this point.)  This is easy for Iran because they their nuclearlization was primarily an artifact of Israelian sponsored propaganda with no demonstrable basis in reality.

 2) An equitable two-state solution for the Palestinians.

Until both conditions are met, I would suggest to just keep on with nightly missile attacks and targeted assassinations-in-kind to sink both Israel and anyone stupid/evil enough to 'stand with Israel'.

[DaRude]

i can tell whom are the gen z, gen alpha types..

the young with lack of life experience and only thoughts come from social media
the young that have never lived in a time of war(not even born before/during the 1990's gulf war era)
the young that dont learn about history because their school history teacher was more interested in selling the history of transgender-ism positives to kids

and the most important
the young who have never experienced an adult giving them a quick slap across the back of the head, and being told to stop messing around

when you are hit just once in a spot that really hurts.. and realise your not going to win the argument. you soon learn to shut up, sit down and give up the fight
you learn quick to not earn a second slap
..
those pretending iran won something this month.
those pretending iran deserves to now declare world war on many countries
those pretending iran deserves russia and china to buddy up with...
.. need to learn that iran had the slap across the back of the head last night.. its time iran shut up, sit down and give up the fight

sign the peace deal, get some sanctions lifted so iran can rebuild and prosper economically(not militarily) PEACEFULLY

Yes let's totally ignore who's buying all of that Iranian oil, and pretend total control over middle east doesn't provide US a huge advantage. Nukes? Strike on an embassy? whatever the thinktanks report is more palatable for population. Thing is China are not idiots, all they care is that the regime that sells them oil which is not controlled by US stands, thus US assurances of limited strike. Netanyahu stays out of jail a bit longer, Trump gets his little military victory, Iran regime stands, consolidates and rallies around the flag, China gets bigger control in Iran, Russia gets higher oil prices, everyone wins.

 

Again, it does not matter if it is today, tomorrow or in a year. There is a nuclear programme, the intention is to create a nuclear warhead that can be missile launched. There are documents of the IAEA explicitly saying so.

WHY WOULD YOU NEED TO WAIT ANY MORE TO "CLOSE IT"

Propaganda or cite IAEA report saying Iran's intention is to have nuclear warhead that can be missile launched. In fact Grossi told CNN said that U.N. inspectors did not have proof that Iran was engaged in “a systematic effort to move into a nuclear weapon.”

But who needs any proof or UN involvement when it's just easier to accuse and attack.

Acquired knowledge cannot be forgotten or bombed out, they'll just build new centrifuges even deeper, so boots on the ground and attempting to create a failed state out of Iran is really the only option. The big question is whether China will allow that to happen, to one if it's largest oil suppliers, can you imagine US standing by if someone attacked Saudis? So i think we all know the answer to that. So drop few bombs call it a PR victory, and everything just continues to how it was before.

Oh, I see, so your argument is that "Iran is not close to develop a weapon" and now you go directly to "Iran does not have a nuclear weapon development programme"?

And according to you, we should trust the Ayatolahs about their pacific intentios on the use of nuclear technology? Is that what you are saying?

So Theran says "oh, no no... we want to destroy Israel, like we say nearly every day, but... no, we will not develop the weapons to do so"?

You must be joking dude.

The IAEA is as good as it gets in terms of (a) knowing (b) being in the terrain (c) as neutral as it gets.

But, and this may be the simplest way of knowing - Iran is negotiating saying clearly that they want to keep their nuclear programe. Iran has several bunkerised facilities - they do not even deny - that do have fisile material and they are denying access for inspection. I would not need any further clues.

So, thank you, but even if there is any doubt about Iran's intentions - and there is not - the safe route is to blast every one of those sites and hopefully also change the government.

So... sorry Da, this is another Ruzzian friend that is going to have its own share of trouble - which is what actually you care about.

Israel is denying access to UN inspectors into their whole country, but i'm sure someone can find justifications for that. If everyone already knows, why do you think Israel and US is lying about Israel having nukes?

Like i told you multiple times, all of this including Ukraine, is all about spheres of influence. Iran is a thorn and US would love nothing more than get a regime that it can control, justifications don't really matter here, but it doesn't look like China will allow that. I'd rather Iran be independent regional power but looks like it's pushed fully right into China's arms.

US urges China to dissuade Iran from closing Strait of Hormuz gets the orange one a short term victory but a h'uuuge strategical mistake for US in long term. EU is fucked as usual with their sanctions lol

Then you should be asking for bombing Israel nuclear facilities - which would be of little use but very risky since they ALREADY have nukes. Are you the only one that does not know that??? Apart, you'd need to find a "volunteer" who can actually do it and get away with it.

On the strait, Iran can TRY to close the strait and face a China that would be the main looser on that. I am not sure if the US is asking China (that is kind of funny) but I am certain China does not need much asking.

Like I told you many times, if you see the world as "spheres of influence" and the people living in the countries have no say, you should not be complaining about the countries "exerting influence".

It's Iran's part of a straight, why can't it only allow civilian tankers going to Asia thru, or are you saying Iran now doesn't have sovereignty over its territorial waters?

I'm not complaining about countries "exerting influence" over their "backyards", it's when they try to expand to the other side of a globe causing proxy wars between nuclear powers is what i have issues with.

In any case, no regime change, ballistic program in tact, Israel Iron dome is shown to have cracks, non existing nuclear weapons destroyed, Netanyahu got to spend few more days out of jail, everyone is a winner. Now back to your regularly scheduled programming

[franky1]

lets see how long this cease fire lasts...
hopefully forever, hopefully iran signs upto some sort of peacedeal, and not make the biggest mistake of the century(to escalate/aggravate the situation in the middle east)