CamilaStar answering questions asked by his alt account.

[LoyceV]

~ to encourage him join the community i explained how he can earning money by joining a signature campaign

I wouldn't call this " joining the community", unless you mean the community of spammers. The sad reality is that the great perks of signature campaigns make many people join Bitcointalk for the wrong reasons.

[Lucius]

~snip~
After then, my friend forgot about joining the forum and stop trading after got scammed by unknown profile in telegram and the teacher became a successful trader Lol

Every evil for some good (at least that's what they say). Different people have different opinions when it comes to cryptocurrencies, so some will be fascinated with technical things, others with trading, and others only with long-term investing. The teacher made a good move, and the question is why your friend didn't follow her example.

~ to encourage him join the community i explained how he can earning money by joining a signature campaign

I wouldn't call this " joining the community", unless you mean the community of spammers. The sad reality is that the great perks of signature campaigns make many people join Bitcointalk for the wrong reasons.

You're certainly right about that, but I have no doubt that a certain percentage of those who came here only for profit have realized that the forum is much more than a sig campaign. Even today, many people come to this forum for the same reasons, but apart from the fact that it is very difficult for them to advance in the ranks, they can only dream of the pay rates that existed in the days of mixers.

[Free Market Capitalist]

You're certainly right about that, but I have no doubt that a certain percentage of those who came here only for profit have realized that the forum is much more than a sig campaign. Even today, many people come to this forum for the same reasons, but apart from the fact that it is very difficult for them to advance in the ranks, they can only dream of the pay rates that existed in the days of mixers.

I share this view. First, I don't have a negative opinion of someone who registers on the forum because he has found out that he can earn money here by writing. The problem is whether he is willing to cheat to do so. To start earning money with an account, you have to spend more than half a year here sharing opinions without getting paid, sometimes even longer. If it's done honestly, I don't see what the problem is. And along the way, I'm sure most have learned to enjoy writing in some parts of the forum or others. There will always be those who mechanically write generic posts, especially in sections such as Gambling, but I think that in general, the incentive provided by the campaigns, and with the merit system as an added difficulty for cheaters, is positive for the forum.

[Majestic-milf]

 I'm just trying to say what Camilastar might give as a response in "her" defense and it would be; "we are not the same person cause I clearly stated that I also loved art" but what seems not surprising is that after Cityhunter asked for advice in that thread and Camilastar encouraged him on what to do before he can start displaying images, she was the only one that seemed to get inspired by his questions and went ahead to start opening threads on art! Funny right? It's just like testing the waters to see what the responses would look like and then voila! There's artwork everywhere!
 It's too coincidental to brush off as something that two different individuals so I'm also of the opinion that yeah, Camilastar could be an alt of Cityhunter's.

[Kavelj22]

~ to encourage him join the community i explained how he can earning money by joining a signature campaign

I wouldn't call this " joining the community", unless you mean the community of spammers. The sad reality is that the great perks of signature campaigns make many people join Bitcointalk for the wrong reasons.

Totally agree with this opinion. However, we can't deny that pay per post model is successful one to attract a large user base of quality posters. I can guess that many of quality posters today came to this crypto community encouraged by this model especially after implementing the merit system. As a proof, compare bitcointalk to other forums in quality posts after implementing the merit system which has a primary goal to reduce spam and it's successful.

[nutildah]

First, I don't have a negative opinion of someone who registers on the forum because he has found out that he can earn money here by writing. The problem is whether he is willing to cheat to do so. To start earning money with an account, you have to spend more than half a year here sharing opinions without getting paid, sometimes even longer. If it's done honestly, I don't see what the problem is.

It really is that simple. Seems like its hard for a lot of people to understand. So I've prepared a couple of memes as a public service.

 

Obviously I'm not talking about people who have alts for mobile devices or for whatever reason, so long as they aren't using the alt to pretend to be a different person for the sake of joining a signature campaign. This is the majority of alt accounts on the forum, and it makes sense because there's an economic motivation to do it. But its still dishonest to pretend to be different people...

In real life, if you knew someone was an impostor pretending to be someone else, would you waste any time whatsoever interacting with them? No, maybe only to point out what they're doing is wrong. But a lot of impostors insist they are not so it makes things confusing every so often. Just not a nice thing to do to people you're trying to have a conversation with.

[Shishir99]

In real life, if you knew someone was an impostor pretending to be someone else, would you waste any time whatsoever interacting with them? No, maybe only to point out what they're doing is wrong. But a lot of impostors insist they are not so it makes things confusing every so often. Just not a nice thing to do to people you're trying to have a conversation with.

Even my ex started hating me more when she figured out that the guy she had been chatting with for a few months was not anyone else but me. Since she broke up with me and I couldn't accept it, I had to see her photo and talk to her. I created another Facebook account and reached out to her so I could speak. I pretended like I was someone who knew her, so she replied to me, and it worked. But she blocked me after a few weeks when she realized who I was. That was pretty sad at that time, and I cried. But it now sounds funny, and I laugh when I remember this. So I get your point. Good old teenage memory!

[LoyceV]

However, we can't deny that pay per post model is successful one to attract a large user base of quality posters.

Of course I can deny that! When I joined Bitcointalk, I didn't know people rent out their signature, I only found out much later.

I can guess that many of quality posters today came to this crypto community encouraged by this model especially after implementing the merit system. As a proof, compare bitcointalk to other forums in quality posts after implementing the merit system which has a primary goal to reduce spam and it's successful.

You're using the wrong "proof" while confusing cause and effect. The Merit system was created to reduce the massive spam, which was (largely) caused by people posting as much as possible to rank up as many accounts as possible. Forums not monetized by users don't have this problem.

[Free Market Capitalist]

Lol, I dont follow this:

so long as they aren't using the alt to pretend to be a different person for the sake of joining a signature campaign. This is the majority of alt accounts on the forum, and it makes sense because there's an economic motivation to do it. But its still dishonest to pretend to be different people...

In real life, if you knew someone was an impostor pretending to be someone else, would you waste any time whatsoever interacting with them? No, maybe only to point out what they're doing is wrong. But a lot of impostors insist they are not so it makes things confusing every so often. Just not a nice thing to do to people you're trying to have a conversation with.

What different person?

Let's say that I have two accounts: Free Market Capitalist and Shishir99. Who is the "person"?

Trying to understand what you're saying, I think it simply stems from the idea that earning a lot of money is bad, so if someone has two accounts, even if they haven't broken the rules with either of them, and hasn't disclosed them as alts belonging to the same person, then they must be doing something wrong.

I disagree. If that person is capable of writing for many months without getting paid until they reach the necessary rank, and then has been accepted into two different campaigns, it's because they add value.

[babo]

Here we also enter the philosophical with the paradox of the ship of Theseus

In Greek mythology, Theseus, the mythical king of the city of Athens, rescued the children of Athens from King Minos after slaying the minotaur and then escaped onto a ship going to Delos. Each year, the Athenians would commemorate this by taking the ship on a pilgrimage to Delos to honour Apollo. A question was raised by ancient philosophers: If no pieces of the original made up the current ship, was it still the Ship of Theseus? Furthermore, if it was no longer the same, when had it ceased existing as the original ship? Thomas Hobbes raised the further question of how to consider a second ship that had been built entirely from pieces removed from the original.

It represents a very interesting disquisition on identities on the internet, who and what, who tells the truth about who they are
we can't find out and at the same time everything is true

Now let's say that Nutildah and I are two accounts managed by a single person, so there's a puppet master, but if the identities are well separated and managed like two real people, who is Nutildah and who is Babo? They both exist separately, even if behind them there's only one person holding the reins.

Why this philosophical disquisition? We have an example of one or more people hidden behind a name: Satoshi. We will never know who the people are, but we know that Satoshi is only one, or rather the sum of them, therefore Satoshi exists as the sum of the souls that animated him.

[Shishir99]

Let's say that I have two accounts: Free Market Capitalist and Shishir99. Who is the "person"?

Why me?



As long as it is not proven that the same person owns Free Market Capitalist and Shishir99, different accounts are owned by different people. In case of multiple accounts, the owner is the person. The same person can own more than two accounts. But they play different personalities from different accounts, which makes them different people online, until it is proven that the same people own all those accounts.

[KingsDen]

Let's say that I have two accounts: Free Market Capitalist and Shishir99. Who is the "person"?

Why me?

Would it have been me? Now you are going to prove to us that you are not Free Market Capitalist 
If someone owns two accounts, it is even logical that they don't post in the same thread. Yes, because the idea is coming from one person. It will be unacceptable if the person plays the role of two different people by using account A to support a motion and then account B to oppose same motion. It therefore means the person is fooling the entire community.

[nutildah]

Trying to understand what you're saying,

You're not really trying.

[Free Market Capitalist]

Here we also enter the philosophical with the paradox of the ship of Theseus

I believe that it has nothing to do with Theseus, whose paradox I would say originates from Heraclitus' river. We are not talking about a being that, due to temporary change, could supposedly be two beings; we are talking about a person communicating in two ways at the same time, and therefore appearing to be two.

Why me?

Because you are my alt (I'm waiting for Timelord 2067's tag on this).

[lovesmayfamilis]

I disagree. If that person is capable of writing for many months without getting paid until they reach the necessary rank, and then has been accepted into two different campaigns, it's because they add value.

Now I'm trying to understand, but I can't agree.  I'm sorry. There are numerous examples proving that, by posting for months, some of these people patiently increase their ratings by exchanging merits with friends or alt accounts. Is there any point or benefit in knowing who did how many push-ups on a Bitcoin forum, given that all their merits come from that thread?

A small example, one of many. https://asktom.cf/index.php?action=merit;u=3670403

[LoyceV]

A small example, one of many. https://asktom.cf/index.php?action=merit;u=3670403

That user has "earned" 251 Merits. I checked a few of his posts, and added him to my Ignore list. I'm surprised to see he wears a signature from a reputable campaign manager. But that campaign accepts 147 users:

47x Full Members - $40 in BTC/Week.
50x Sr. Members - $50 in BTC/Week.
50x Hero/Legendary Members - $65 in BTC/Week.

Just like other casino campaigns: if you hire that many, you can't get the best posters.

[Free Market Capitalist]

I disagree. If that person is capable of writing for many months without getting paid until they reach the necessary rank, and then has been accepted into two different campaigns, it's because they add value.

Now I'm trying to understand, but I can't agree.  I'm sorry. There are numerous examples proving that, by posting for months, some of these people patiently increase their ratings by exchanging merits with friends or alt accounts. Is there any point or benefit in knowing who did how many push-ups on a Bitcoin forum, given that all their merits come from that thread?

That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about someone who has two accounts and doesn't cheat with them. Someone who doesn't exchange merits, doesn't leave feedback or include the other account in a trust list, etc.

We know that the vast majority of people who have two accounts and don't declare them are doing so to cheat, but I was responding to what nutildah said about simply trying to pretend you're another “person” if you have two accounts. For me, the crucial thing is whether you cheat or not, not whether you have one original account and then two other account with which you don't cheat but supposedly appear as another “person” with them.

[Shishir99]

That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about someone who has two accounts and doesn't cheat with them. Someone who doesn't exchange merits, doesn't leave feedback or include the other account in a trust list, etc.

We know that the vast majority of people who have two accounts and don't declare them are doing so to cheat, but I was responding to what nutildah said about simply trying to pretend you're another “person” if you have two accounts. For me, the crucial thing is whether you cheat or not, not whether you have one original account and then two other account with which you don't cheat but supposedly appear as another “person” with them.

You have a point. But how many people do you think own such an account that has never exchanged merit with their alternative accounts, didn't add their alternative account to their trust list, and didn't talk to themselves in different threads? Even if this type of account exists, the percentage is too low. If someone doesn't "cheat", it should be okay to have multiple accounts since the forum doesn't forbid having multiple accounts.

Because you are my alt (I'm waiting for Timelord 2067's tag on this).

  interesting. How do people actually take this while someone says I own this account? You are self-admitting that you own the Shishir99 account, but I am not. What should the community think about it? Let's say we are not joking, what would happen?

[LoyceV]

interesting. How do people actually take this while someone says I own this account? You are self-admitting that you own the Shishir99 account, but I am not. What should the community think about it?

Most users will think it's Sarcasm 101.

People have accused me of being an alt of many different users over the years. It means you're being recognized, that's all.

[Lucius]

~snip~
Because you are my alt (I'm waiting for Timelord 2067's tag on this).

You know, I wouldn't be surprised if that happened. The member you mentioned has been researching my alleged alts since 2021, and of course he hasn't found anything because they don't exist.

~snip~
Just like other casino campaigns: if you hire that many, you can't get the best posters.

Today, there are no sig campaigns that have exclusively the best posters, some of the best ones are no longer active, and the rest are scattered across all campaigns because the pay rates are more or less similar. If a serious sig campaign appeared (in the long term) that would pay at least $150 a week, you can guess what it would mean for all other campaigns.

It's a bit strange (or not - it depends from which angle you look at it) that no advertiser wants to be in the focus and attract the best posters.