We are not Gambler, But Traders and Investors

[Findingnemo]

Bitcoin is not a zero risk investment, it is higher risk than traditional investing but in the history of bitcoin, it has always paid off but you can't guarantee a similar kind of growth in the next 10 years in comparison with the last 10 years.

Though Bitcoin is a risky investment, the return is high. Every investment is risky; we can't ignore the risk. But compared to other investments, Bitcoin gives us a high return. It may take time; it's not a traditional investment from which you may instantly get profits. Trust me, if you have patience, you will not have to regret the Bitcoin investment. Look back ten years at how Bitcoin grew. If you can't trust that Bitcoin would grow the same way, that means Bitcoin investment isn't for you.

From nothing to 126K in 17 years is very huge growth and now sitting comfortably in the top 10 marketcap of all the assets traded. Still we can't be sure the same growth will be there in the next 17 years or it can go to zero just like any kind of investment that is why they have to follow the basic thing don't invest all their money into just with bitcoin, they can invest on other assets too that can reduce their potential capital loss if things go the wrong way.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

Every investment involves a high risks which spells out the same features of gambling nevertheless so many people mistake the meaning of gambling to that of investment and trading simply because it all involved some level of risk. But  then you can't minimize your ability of generating losses in gambling but you can do that for investment.Meanwhile risks is found in all of the cases but a profitable investment is worth taking up such high risks.

People always confuse the two and think they're similar but there isn't any similarities between investing and gambling. While gambling you're completely relying on luck but the same can't be said about investing because you need many hours of research and sometimes years of experience to get success in investing. People profiting from trading Bitcoin today didn't just get that skills over night, they spent countless hours practising and gave lots of hours and lots of money learning how to trade. To understand trading, you first have to sacrifice some time to learn but gambling can be achieved by just being lucky. You can minimize the potential of getting losses in gambling through minimizing the amount of risks you take.

[Finestream]

Surely we are, but are we actually performing as real traders and investors? Or just making the market more confusing by trading and investing that turn into gambling, which I have seen in most newbies these days who just rush into trading and investing without studying the market well and familiarizing which coins that could possibly bring profits and which coins that are just intended to lose and eventually die.

Gambling should not be present when trading nor investing, because not only it will make you less profitable, but it will also make you prone to gambling addiction wherein you gamble your trading and investment funds due to no clear plans and goals towards trading and investment.

[wiss19]

Why I’ll still say trading Is not a gambling in trading you are buying an asset as an investment, you take a calculated risk you know when to buy and when to profit but in gambling your only leverage is right prediction and the chances of your prediction are 50 50 your profit isn’t certain

Gambling can also be an investment. You know we invest time and money there to be happy but if we take it in a literal sense then trading is only trading, investing is also investing. In gambling, calculated risk is also possible especially if we pick up the right set of games. 50/50 is the known odd for gambling but this is because of the limited amount of games before but with the wide range of games now, their odds can now also vary. It can be adjusted whether you prefer higher chance in exchange for lower profit or lower chance for higher profit.

[Ultegra134]

I also encountered some people who consider trading to be like gambling. Perhaps some forum users share that opinion as well. But I will not equate the two. Exchanges also provide warnings that trading crypto assets is risky, yet some traders actually increase their risk and treat trading like betting.
If you look at the level of risk, trading and gambling both carry the risk of loss. However, those who are more aware of risk management can certainly distinguish between trading and gambling.

Personally, it depends on what you're dealing with, but in general, trading is indeed a gamble. Shtcoins and random tokens though are what we'd call, high risk, high reward ones and I personally, dealing with them is no different with gambling at all. You see, when you're trading Bitcoin, Ethereum or any other real coin, owning them still hold some value, you haven't completely lost the game of you've done a wrong trade. Random tokens on the other hand, may go to zero in a blink of an eye, which is why they're no different than pure, casino gambling.

[bitgolden]

Bitcoin is not a zero risk investment, it is higher risk than traditional investing but in the history of bitcoin, it has always paid off but you can't guarantee a similar kind of growth in the next 10 years in comparison with the last 10 years.

Trading and gambling are different things.

You can lose some or more while trading.

But with gambling you make or you go with nothing and to me put in the same scale itself a wrong.

All investment has a risk because if there isn't then that only means it is stable and there is no way to earn at them. We can even lose in fact because they are affected with inflation.

After a decade we achieve $100k but we are now half way through $200k. So, I am not sure why you are saying that we can not achieve the same thing as before. Trading and gambling is only different if we mean gambling in the casino but if in terms of risks then both has it and both are high. If we have a control then we can still utilize both greatly.

[salad daging]

If it's not gambling, then what is it? High risk investment?

Investing in BTC is not high risk as long as you can hold it for a long time, although it is still risky due to high fluctuations.

Futures and perpetuals are the highest risk, and some people equate this to gambling.

Investing in crypto other than bitcoin? Yes, that's high risk.

As for me, in either trading or investment, I will prefer taking out the high risk and made an investment with Bitcoin for a long time and have no risk in it.

Spot trading: does not have high risk, while futures / perpetuals are clearly high risk.
Investing in BTC is much safer.

Maybe you also don't want to be a trader that will gamble away his trading fund, learn some additional skills, strategies and improve your competence and take away the high risk attached and trade to profit and not on losses.

Yes like I don't want to risk funds in trading, it's better to invest much safer.
While trading: High risk/High return.

[kawetsriyanto]

All investment has a risk because if there isn't then that only means it is stable and there is no way to earn at them. We can even lose in fact because they are affected with inflation.

Indeed, there is no investment that has no risk. If there is an investment with no risk, people surely will choose that investment only. However, each investment may have a different level of risk. There is an investment with low risk, middle risk, and high risk. But those investment which has high risk (ex: crypto), they usually offer a chance of bigger profits.

After a decade we achieve $100k but we are now half way through $200k. So, I am not sure why you are saying that we can not achieve the same thing as before.

Do you mean he said we are impossible to reach $200k?  
I think he only stated that there is no guarantee to achieve a certain price in the next 10 years. IMO, there is nothing wrong with the statement.

Trading and gambling is only different if we mean gambling in the casino but if in terms of risks then both has it and both are high. If we have a control then we can still utilize both greatly.

Both of them are totally different although they all are high risk. In gambling, we have no way to lower the risk. But in trading, we have a way to minimize the risk. If we have proper knowledge and skills in trading, I ma sure we can deal with the risk. So, trading won't be very risky for the people who have good knowledge and skills.

[LogitechMouse]

We are not Gambler, But Traders and Investors
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Maybe you also don't want to be a trader that will gamble away his trading fund, learn some additional skills, strategies and improve your competence and take away the high risk attached and trade to profit and not on losses.

With how risky trading can be especially in a volatile asset like Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies out there, some see it as gambling already, but we can lessen the risk as long as we learn more, gain more experience and know how to handle and mitigate risks. Having a working strategy works as well.

You can win in trading if you have the skills, experience and a working strategy and you can learn them all. As for gambling, you will only win if you have LUCK... or maybe let's exclude Poker for this time because that's the only gambling game where you can win thru luck AND strategy while for others, it's purely luck. One thing's for sure though, trading can be considered a "high-risk investment" only for those who don't have any strategy at all. For professionals, it's just trading. Like what others said here, nothing's a 0-risk investment, and the only thing that we can adjust is the amount of risk that we can take.

[tottong]

Personally, it depends on what you're dealing with, but in general, trading is indeed a gamble. Shtcoins and random tokens though are what we'd call, high risk, high reward ones and I personally, dealing with them is no different with gambling at all. You see, when you're trading Bitcoin, Ethereum or any other real coin, owning them still hold some value, you haven't completely lost the game of you've done a wrong trade. Random tokens on the other hand, may go to zero in a blink of an eye, which is why they're no different than pure, casino gambling.

I completely agree because the way of subscription will determine whether it is like gambling or not because if people are involved in random coins that have no clear future it is the same as betting.
Such coins have a high risk of losing value in the market so if they are traded or invested it may not be much different from trying to bet on luck because it is hoped that the hype can move the price of the coin soaring.
Trading and investing is not much different from gambling as long as it is not handled properly because something that is being gambled on is the same as gambling unless I am involved in investing in potential coins such as Bitcoin or ETH.

[TheUltraElite]

Spot trading is similar to investing
Non-spot trading methods are similar to gambling.

That is the simple way to understand this.

Anything othet than spot is gambling and exchanges want these more than spot because of the profit margin that comes from things like leverage, margin is why higher than spot.

Hence avoid those unless you  consider yourself an expert in them. Though most people who claimed so never actually came back.

[Lanatsa]

Personally, it depends on what you're dealing with, but in general, trading is indeed a gamble. Shtcoins and random tokens though are what we'd call, high risk, high reward ones and I personally, dealing with them is no different with gambling at all. You see, when you're trading Bitcoin, Ethereum or any other real coin, owning them still hold some value, you haven't completely lost the game of you've done a wrong trade. Random tokens on the other hand, may go to zero in a blink of an eye, which is why they're no different than pure, casino gambling.

I completely agree because the way of subscription will determine whether it is like gambling or not because if people are involved in random coins that have no clear future it is the same as betting.
Such coins have a high risk of losing value in the market so if they are traded or invested it may not be much different from trying to bet on luck because it is hoped that the hype can move the price of the coin soaring.
Trading and investing is not much different from gambling as long as it is not handled properly because something that is being gambled on is the same as gambling unless I am involved in investing in potential coins such as Bitcoin or ETH.

When it comes to trading and gambling the line between the two depends on how it’s handled dealing with random tokens that have no clear foundation or real project behind them is almost the same as betting on luck because their value can disappear overnight it’s a high risk high reward game where emotion and chance decide more than skill or analysis. Trading stronger assets like Bitcoin or Ethereum carries a different weight because they hold real value even during market dips losses can still recover over time if the market remains healthy the difference lies in approach a person who studies trends manages risk and plans entries and exits is investing not gambling.

Many people blur that difference by chasing hype or acting on emotion once that happens even trading turns into gambling because decisions are no longer guided by logic but by hope and greed trading can be structured and measured gambling can’t be controlled one depends on discipline the other on chance. Treating the market with respect and patience helps turn it into a long term opportunity not a guessing game it’s not about luck but understanding patterns managing risk and accepting that profit comes from time and strategy not from a single lucky move.

[Dickiy]

Trading isn't gambling, but there are some similarities, particularly in terms of risk. In other words, both activities carry a high level of risk.

However, the opportunities for profit are different. In trading, the more knowledge and skills you have, the closer you are to profit, and the more you can minimize risk. However, in gambling, profits depend largely on luck, and in the long run, your losses will continue to outweigh your wins.

[shield132]

We are not Gambler, But Traders and Investors

I know some of us might have come across this maybe on the internet, but maybe we could just take a time and ask ourselves that same question and provided an answer to it.

If it's not gambling, then what is it? High risk investment?

As for me, in either trading or investment, I will prefer taking out the high risk and made an investment with Bitcoin for a long time and have no risk in it.

Maybe you also don't want to be a trader that will gamble away his trading fund, learn some additional skills, strategies and improve your competence and take away the high risk attached and trade to profit and not on losses.

The majority of people are gamblers because they arrived late on the market with a small amount of money and are looking for coins that cost a few bucks but will rise like Bitcoin in the future, so they try lots of altcoins but in the end, they fail. People don't want to see the reality and understand why the 2010-2016 era was different from the following years.
I look at hot coins on Binance and right now I see coins like PIVX, ENA, DIA, ASTER and GIGGLE. What are these coins? These are artificially pumped and dumped coins that people think are a great opportunity to become rich.

[Trust_Paid]

Although trading and gambling are the same, you can make a profit by trading. However, there is a considerable amount of risk in trading. If you are an experienced trader, it will be easier to make a profit by trading. I prefer trading to investing. Because even though I don't have an experienced strategy, I can guess roughly and I have made more profits than losses. But otherwise, the chances of losing money by investing are very low. Because if someone invests in Bitcoin, they should invest for the long term. Because due to the market movements of Bitcoin, if you invest for a short period of time, there is a possibility of losing money. And if you invest for the long term, you can make a considerable profit. So I would suggest that if someone wants to invest, investing for the long term will always be the right decision.

[DanWalker]

The majority of people are gamblers because they arrived late on the market with a small amount of money and are looking for coins that cost a few bucks but will rise like Bitcoin in the future, so they try lots of altcoins but in the end, they fail. People don't want to see the reality and understand why the 2010-2016 era was different from the following years.
I look at hot coins on Binance and right now I see coins like PIVX, ENA, DIA, ASTER and GIGGLE. What are these coins? These are artificially pumped and dumped coins that people think are a great opportunity to become rich.

I believe that most of those who decide to enter this market have the mindset and hope of getting rich quickly with modest capital and in the shortest time possible, including me. And in my opinion, that mindset alone shows that we are gamblers.

It's not just shitcoin investors or traders who have this kind of mindset. Even people who claim to be long-term investors have this mindset, when setting unrealistic expectations like bitcoin can increase 10-20 times and make them millionaires in the next 2 cycles. This is the get rich quick, make money quick mindset and if that is not called the mindset and mentality of a gambler, what is it?

[Peanutswar]

If it's not gambling, then what is it? High risk investment?

As for me, in either trading or investment, I will prefer taking out the high risk and made an investment with Bitcoin for a long time and have no risk in it.

Maybe you also don't want to be a trader that will gamble away his trading fund, learn some additional skills, strategies and improve your competence and take away the high risk attached and trade to profit and not on losses.

we have the concept if we dont risk we dont have a reward and the higher the risk the higher the reward but we aren't doing gambling we are using our knowledge, and experience in trading so if you are going with the bitcoin only not bad because its already build the good ecosystem but if you would like to make a risk more with your asset, go with the potential market investment such as other coins and check if you can see the project is good, bitcoin is good for the long term period but how long does it take before you need to wait?. So check other opportunity is a must but with an assist of your knowledge and skills with the market.

[hd49728]

It's not just shitcoin investors or traders who have this kind of mindset. Even people who claim to be long-term investors have this mindset, when setting unrealistic expectations like bitcoin can increase 10-20 times and make them millionaires in the next 2 cycles. This is the get rich quick, make money quick mindset and if that is not called the mindset and mentality of a gambler, what is it?

It's fact and some people realized this fact but they ignore some other things. If they invest money in bitcoins, in one, two or three market cycles, they will still have good profit and most importantly, they won't lose their money. However, very unfortunately, most of them ignore bitcoin as they know that they won't get too high ROI with Bitcoin invesment than in past market cycles, and they chose altcoins, or worst not top altcoins but shitcoins. And they do not get profit at all but actually get a lot of severe loss with altcoin or shitcoin investments.

we have the concept if we dont risk we dont have a reward and the higher the risk the higher the reward

If they choose bad cryptocurrencies like shitcoins, there is no high risk and high reward but they will lose all of their money with shitcoins.

How many cryptocurrencies failed (Dead coins)?

[Lannakosa]

I believe that most of those who decide to enter this market have the mindset and hope of getting rich quickly with modest capital and in the shortest time possible, including me. And in my opinion, that mindset alone shows that we are gamblers.

It's not just shitcoin investors or traders who have this kind of mindset. Even people who claim to be long-term investors have this mindset, when setting unrealistic expectations like bitcoin can increase 10-20 times and make them millionaires in the next 2 cycles. This is the get rich quick, make money quick mindset and if that is not called the mindset and mentality of a gambler, what is it?

Two cycles could take about 10 years, which is a very long time. But if we're talking about a 10x or more increase in capital, those are very ambitious goals, and they might be achievable. But in that case, Bitcoin would have to be worth a million, which seems doubtful right now. I think it's reached a point where such a huge increase is out of the question. Bitcoin will become more stable, less volatile, and will grow more slowly. I would never invest too much money in altcoins, as it's risky and could lead to losses.

[osasshem]

We are not Gambler, But Traders and Investors

I know some of us might have come across this maybe on the internet, but maybe we could just take a time and ask ourselves that same question and provided an answer to it.

If it's not gambling, then what is it? High risk investment?

As for me, in either trading or investment, I will prefer taking out the high risk and made an investment with Bitcoin for a long time and have no risk in it.

Maybe you also don't want to be a trader that will gamble away his trading fund, learn some additional skills, strategies and improve your competence and take away the high risk attached and trade to profit and not on losses.

Any form of investment is a risk taking decision, which can be much profiting at the long run with the right decision or end up in a disastrous result on the journey of investment. Gambling is strictly attached to luck, no tools, strategy, just luck, and most times it doesn't just come as expected, but Trading is not gambling, and it is being referred to gambling because of the fact that high risk is attached, yet with strategy, tools to analyze the market direction and how to go in/out when necessary makes it different from gambling. Trading doesn't depend on luck.

I prefer the term investor than to be called a trader, because I am not a trader. Buy the lows, sale at highs and secure profits, that what I do.