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November 13, 2025, 03:04:12 PM
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How do you measure yours?
I am not in competition with anybody therefore, I don't look up to anyone for evaluation. I have been addicted before and I don't want that to happen again which is the main reason why I gamble only for fun. You wouldn't be able to gamble with your real senses if you are using someone gambling lifestyle to evaluate yourself because it can lead you astray.

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November 13, 2025, 03:14:21 PM
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I am not in competition with anybody therefore, I don't look up to anyone for evaluation. I have been addicted before and I don't want that to happen again which is the main reason why I gamble only for fun. You wouldn't be able to gamble with your real senses if you are using someone gambling lifestyle to evaluate yourself because it can lead you astray.
How would a good gambler even think of such, I believe every gambler should do things their own way not by acting as though they are another person, it is our responsibility to stay responsible and safe individually and also give advice to tthose gamblers we think aren't doing it the right way, I have not been addicted before and I don't pray to fall to that shit called addiction, anytime I gamble, I just mind how I do it because despite that I have not been in that shoe before, I know how being in such situations can affect individual mental health, so mate, fun it is.

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November 13, 2025, 03:16:45 PM
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How do you measure yours?
I am not in competition with anybody therefore, I don't look up to anyone for evaluation. I have been addicted before and I don't want that to happen again which is the main reason why I gamble only for fun. You wouldn't be able to gamble with your real senses if you are using someone gambling lifestyle to evaluate yourself because it can lead you astray.
Am sure that's why they say that comparison is the thief of joy and it is no truer if placed side by side with this comment.
Gambling addiction is the devil and as an individual, following others blindly may cause addiction that is uncontrollable and unjustified.

Once I notice I start chasing losses or bet on every available code that my friends share around as betting odds for the day, I don't indulge because it makes me over reliant on their abilities and see themselves better than myself, which of course makes one want to measure up by all means by gambling and spending more resources without any proper reasoning.

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November 13, 2025, 03:23:35 PM
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I was advising a junior colleague who obviously is gambling excessively with respect to his earnings and in self defense he pointed out to me some others who were worse than himself as a vindication of his own already bad practice.

Of a truth, the people he referred to are 5X worse than him and it was obvious they started from his level and degraded to a worse condition. I tried pointing out to him that measuring excessive gambling is a self evaluation with respect to your finances and not using others as a yardstick of measurement but he dismissed my with the words "As long as I'm not yet gambling like these guys, I'm fine".

I'm sure this mindset exists especially among friends who are into gambling and I decided to bring it up here for discussion.

Do you think it's right to reference to others as a yardstick to evaluate your level of responsible gambling?

How do you measure yours?

That is obviously a bad way to see at things. If his gambling habits is eating most of his income then he needs to cut gambling ASAP.
Why should he wait for his gambling habits to worsen ? He can take the example of others who were able to cut down on gambling addiction instead.
I personally have a strict budget for gambling and if I am losing more than that then that is where I try to restrict myself.
My gambling budget is the measure of responsible gambling.

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November 13, 2025, 03:38:25 PM
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Once I notice I start chasing losses or bet on every available code that my friends share around as betting odds for the day, I don't indulge because it makes me over reliant on their abilities and see themselves better than myself, which of course makes one want to measure up by all means by gambling and spending more resources without any proper reasoning.

This is true, and if we were capable, this certainly wouldn't happen, but due to social pressure, especially from friends or others, we will automatically follow, to some extent, the urge to chase losses. It's better to play alone, lose alone, and make your own decisions, or recognize danger signals independently without needing much advice from others if it's true and factual that in gambling, one won't always win, especially in the long run.

I don't deny that the impact and effects of addiction are also extraordinary. Addiction can turn everything from logical to chaotic, no longer according to plan. Because at a crucial point, when you're already on the air, everything you play changes drastically, changing expectations from what was originally intended as entertainment to a psychological need. It becomes strange over time.
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November 13, 2025, 03:40:33 PM
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I was advising a junior colleague who obviously is gambling excessively with respect to his earnings and in self defense he pointed out to me some others who were worse than himself as a vindication of his own already bad practice.

Of a truth, the people he referred to are 5X worse than him and it was obvious they started from his level and degraded to a worse condition. I tried pointing out to him that measuring excessive gambling is a self evaluation with respect to your finances and not using others as a yardstick of measurement but he dismissed my with the words "As long as I'm not yet gambling like these guys, I'm fine".

I can say, that what your junior colleague is doing reflects a wrong and even dangerous mindset. Judging his bad behavior by comparing it to others who are worse is just self-justification. No matter what, you will not be able to advise someone like that. Let's say he continues to gamble aggressively using all of his income, then one day, without realizing it, he finds himself at the level of the worse people he used to talk about, and then he will look for even worse people. The only one who can make him realize this is himself. You are just wasting your energy if you keep reminding him.

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November 13, 2025, 03:41:35 PM
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You are not having trouble financially.

Yes, that's it. If you still have the means to sometimes go out to the mall and please yourself with good food and a movie, then you are still gambling responsibly.
But if everything is going wrong financially, then you might as well think twice about what you are doing or what to do next because it means it is affecting you. Savings must also be checked. Even if we are gambling, we must have some money left in case of emergency.
Right, your example fits perfectly. If your lifestyle isn't affected by the fact that you're gambling, then you're simply playing well. And then you can continue to do what you do.

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November 13, 2025, 03:44:45 PM
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I was advising a junior colleague who obviously is gambling excessively with respect to his earnings and in self defense he pointed out to me some others who were worse than himself as a vindication of his own already bad practice.

Of a truth, the people he referred to are 5X worse than him and it was obvious they started from his level and degraded to a worse condition. I tried pointing out to him that measuring excessive gambling is a self evaluation with respect to your finances and not using others as a yardstick of measurement but he dismissed my with the words "As long as I'm not yet gambling like these guys, I'm fine".

I'm sure this mindset exists especially among friends who are into gambling and I decided to bring it up here for discussion.

Do you think it's right to reference to others as a yardstick to evaluate your level of responsible gambling?

How do you measure yours?

That is obviously a bad way to see at things. If his gambling habits is eating most of his income then he needs to cut gambling ASAP.
Why should he wait for his gambling habits to worsen ? He can take the example of others who were able to cut down on gambling addiction instead.
I personally have a strict budget for gambling and if I am losing more than that then that is where I try to restrict myself.
My gambling budget is the measure of responsible gambling.
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If I am maintaining my mental and financial health, then I am gambling responsibly. A person goes overboard when they spend more than they can afford, going into debt to cover bets, giving more importance to gambling than to other activities, such as studies or work, when they consider gambling a job (because it isn't), in short, anything that gets out of control or causes distress.

 
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I think you’re gambling responsibly if you can stop anytime and it doesn’t mess with your money, mood or relationships. You should only use money you can afford to lose and not try to win back losses.

It’s also a good sign if gambling is just something you do for fun not to escape stress or problems. If you keep track of your time and spending and still feel in control, you’re probably gambling responsibly.

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I was advising a junior colleague who obviously is gambling excessively with respect to his earnings and in self defense he pointed out to me some others who were worse than himself as a vindication of his own already bad practice.

Of a truth, the people he referred to are 5X worse than him and it was obvious they started from his level and degraded to a worse condition. I tried pointing out to him that measuring excessive gambling is a self evaluation with respect to your finances and not using others as a yardstick of measurement but he dismissed my with the words "As long as I'm not yet gambling like these guys, I'm fine".

I'm sure this mindset exists especially among friends who are into gambling and I decided to bring it up here for discussion.

Do you think it's right to reference to others as a yardstick to evaluate your level of responsible gambling?

How do you measure yours?

I reflect on myself afterwards and think about whether or not I am losing control.

But self reflection is not as easy as people think. It takes a lot of discipline not to only look at all the goods side of your gambling habits but also the bad. If I feel that I am getting emotional when gambling, I force myself to take a long break until everything settles down. A few weeks at least.

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Do you think it's right to reference to others as a yardstick to evaluate your level of responsible gambling?
How do you measure yours?
It's not a good practice to use people's failures to motivate your self. It will drive you into losses that's inevitable. Most gamblers do it as a way to satisfy Thier Ill act and in no time, they most likely would be in regrets. Every action we take while gambling should be done with due diligence and we should take full responsibility of our actions.dont gamble like someone else, don't go into high risk because someone did same and made money from it. Every one has their own separate kind of luck. The mindset would ruin you and probably turn you into an addicted gambler. Becoming responsible is knowing when to stop not judging from what others are doing...

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November 13, 2025, 10:07:04 PM
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I was advising a junior colleague who obviously is gambling excessively with respect to his earnings and in self defense he pointed out to me some others who were worse than himself as a vindication of his own already bad practice.

Of a truth, the people he referred to are 5X worse than him and it was obvious they started from his level and degraded to a worse condition. I tried pointing out to him that measuring excessive gambling is a self evaluation with respect to your finances and not using others as a yardstick of measurement but he dismissed my with the words "As long as I'm not yet gambling like these guys, I'm fine".

I'm sure this mindset exists especially among friends who are into gambling and I decided to bring it up here for discussion.

Do you think it's right to reference to others as a yardstick to evaluate your level of responsible gambling?

How do you measure yours?
That thinking is wrong, there is nothing good if you have a benchmark that is applied to other people, because it will certainly be different, you and he must be different, from there it is clear that your normal factor or tolerance is different, or your ability and the ability of the person you as a benchmark,

must stick to personal rules, with limited finances and enough time to gamble, as long as you use the time and money in accordance with your arrangements you will remain safe in gambling, the size must be you yourself measure yourself in accepting defeat, to what extent will feel it is too much then before that you must have limits.

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November 13, 2025, 10:35:31 PM
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I was advising a junior colleague who obviously is gambling excessively with respect to his earnings and in self defense he pointed out to me some others who were worse than himself as a vindication of his own already bad practice.

Of a truth, the people he referred to are 5X worse than him and it was obvious they started from his level and degraded to a worse condition. I tried pointing out to him that measuring excessive gambling is a self evaluation with respect to your finances and not using others as a yardstick of measurement but he dismissed my with the words "As long as I'm not yet gambling like these guys, I'm fine".

I'm sure this mindset exists especially among friends who are into gambling and I decided to bring it up here for discussion.

Do you think it's right to reference to others as a yardstick to evaluate your level of responsible gambling?

How do you measure yours?
That thinking is wrong, there is nothing good if you have a benchmark that is applied to other people, because it will certainly be different, you and he must be different, from there it is clear that your normal factor or tolerance is different, or your ability and the ability of the person you as a benchmark,

must stick to personal rules, with limited finances and enough time to gamble, as long as you use the time and money in accordance with your arrangements you will remain safe in gambling, the size must be you yourself measure yourself in accepting defeat, to what extent will feel it is too much then before that you must have limits.
I totally concur that what is futile and even destructive is trying to place yourself against the norm that other individuals set when it comes to gambling. Every individual has different financial and emotional limits, and thus you can not have a similar outcome. To remain in the comfort zone you require you have personal rules clearly that you know how much you are going to spend, how long you are going to play and lastly but not the least understanding what you should not spend beyond acceptable loss.

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November 13, 2025, 10:44:24 PM
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I was advising a junior colleague who obviously is gambling excessively with respect to his earnings and in self defense he pointed out to me some others who were worse than himself as a vindication of his own already bad practice.

Of a truth, the people he referred to are 5X worse than him and it was obvious they started from his level and degraded to a worse condition. I tried pointing out to him that measuring excessive gambling is a self evaluation with respect to your finances and not using others as a yardstick of measurement but he dismissed my with the words "As long as I'm not yet gambling like these guys, I'm fine".

I'm sure this mindset exists especially among friends who are into gambling and I decided to bring it up here for discussion.

Do you think it's right to reference to others as a yardstick to evaluate your level of responsible gambling?

How do you measure yours?
That thinking is wrong, there is nothing good if you have a benchmark that is applied to other people, because it will certainly be different, you and he must be different, from there it is clear that your normal factor or tolerance is different, or your ability and the ability of the person you as a benchmark,

must stick to personal rules, with limited finances and enough time to gamble, as long as you use the time and money in accordance with your arrangements you will remain safe in gambling, the size must be you yourself measure yourself in accepting defeat, to what extent will feel it is too much then before that you must have limits.
When a gambler state copying others, this is an error already and we can not learn to imitate others and think we can be successful, no we can't, you are only a photocopy of the original. No matter what he or she is doing maybe leading him to a success/winning, don't think that it will definitely work with you, everyone self is totally different and we can be different if we have our own set piece for ourselves, despite the loses. Have a proper limit on what to do or what not to. No what you want, have a set goal, have time to gamble and lastly is to respect your finances, which will definitely explain one to be responsible when gambling or a responsible gambler.

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November 13, 2025, 10:44:43 PM
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I totally concur that what is futile and even destructive is trying to place yourself against the norm that other individuals set when it comes to gambling. Every individual has different financial and emotional limits, and thus you can not have a similar outcome. To remain in the comfort zone you require you have personal rules clearly that you know how much you are going to spend, how long you are going to play and lastly but not the least understanding what you should not spend beyond acceptable loss.

Correct, our money our rules.

It’s useless to use other gamblers gambling status to measure our own status for being responsible because of the point that you mention about us having different financial limit.

I may have high financial limit than other so a person with low financial limit that use me as a yardstick will be troubled since he might be not gambling responsibly even without hitting the limits that he set that based on other person limit.

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November 13, 2025, 11:37:25 PM
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Using others gambling activities to compare with how you gamble is just to make yourself feel better but it's actually more of a thing of denial...if someone loses a certain amount of money and you also lost within that range there's a possibility that the gambler is capable of losing that amount of money more than a hundred times...comparison is not a way to evaluate how your gambling activities

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November 13, 2025, 11:40:34 PM
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Using others gambling activities to compare with how you gamble is just to make yourself feel better but it's actually more of a thing of denial...if someone loses a certain amount of money and you also lost within that range there's a possibility that the gambler is capable of losing that amount of money more than a hundred times...comparison is not a way to evaluate how your gambling activities
Attempting to console ourselves by putting our loss into perspective against other people is an exceedingly unhealthy practise and a frequent delusional excuse. Loss to two individuals may be having immeasurably different financial implications, based on their respective financial status. The extent of gambling should be determined by individual monetary means and a subscription of losses imposed upon one self. The comparisons with other people only confuse the actual problem.

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November 13, 2025, 11:46:24 PM
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There are several things and benchmarks that make me confident that I'm still under control as a gambler and practicing responsible gambling. At the very least, I keep trying to make this happen, whatever the condition:
- Monitoring my bankroll and gambling history, not exceeding my set limits
- Not causing problems because of gambling, either personally, to my family, or to others
- Not committing to constant gambling and not feeling anxious when not doing so
- Still able to control my emotions and mental state

I think, with these, I still consider that I'm still responsible with what I'm doing in this case.

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One of the best way to evaluate if you are gambling responsibly is when you don’t have much for regrets about your losses.

Many people who gamble today and seems to recount how they must have wasted funds on gambling and how it to a large extent affects their other chain of activities, this spells nothing but irresponsible gambling.

Another one is, not being able to leave the gambling house or end the gambling session. This is a path towards addiction and if you don’t realize it real quick and work towards making better of yourself, you would be in real trouble.

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