Trezor Safe 7. A couple of questions.

[Johnds1]

1) Now that it is wireless, can anyone confirm if the device releases the seed phrase without having to connect to trezor suite?  Honestly, I think that's safer without any connectivity at all.

2) How do you know if the open source coding has been verified and safe?  I cant read code.

Thanks.

[Cookdata]

1) Now that it is wireless, can anyone confirm if the device releases the seed phrase without having to connect to trezor suite?  Honestly, I think that's safer without any connectivity at all.

Trezor safe 7 doesn't releases the seed phrase.

I think what you mean is if it keeps your seed phrase offline when you connect to the Trezor suite, that's yes. All Trezor wallet are hardware wallets, they helps you sign transactions offline without exposing your seed phrase or private keys online but Trezor wallets are not airgap, this new release too, you will need a USB cable or Bluetooth to connect your hardware wallet to Trezor suite or computer.

2) How do you know if the open source coding has been verified and safe?  I cant read code.
Thanks.

From day 1, Trezor wallet has been open source, you can check all their repo on Github.

https://github.com/trezor

There are other independent audits that do verify open source wallets, you can check on their reviews if there are red flags.

[FirmWars]

1) Now that it is wireless, can anyone confirm if the device releases the seed phrase without having to connect to trezor suite?  Honestly, I think that's safer without any connectivity at all.

I read that trezor device is made to keep user's seed phrase very secure and your seed phrase will display on the device screen only once and that is when your are setting up the wallet, apart from that it doesn't release the seed phrase, and you will have to connect to Trezor suite when trying to verify your seed phrase. The Trezor device will not release your seed phrase without your actions.

2) How do you know if the open source coding has been verified and safe?  I cant read code.

Thanks.

You can know through the reviews of other technical experts on the community because they can read the code and give reviews about it since it is a open source code that can be read by any one that knows how to do so, since you can't read code, you can check the review of other, Cookdata provided you with the link.

[KiaKia]

What you needed is a airgapped device.

There is no need for connectivity to PC for any reason.

Upgrades can be done without PC.

Transactions are carried out offline.

If you still have this Trezor safe 7 and it is not meeting your requirements you can sell to a close friend or relative, although Trezor isn't bad at all, I can recommend Trezor hardware wallets to anyone.

If you feel like you can get another hardware wallet I suggest you look into Keystone hardware wallet.

[FinneysTrueVision]

You still have to use Trezor Suite for the initial setup. If you are paranoid about your seed leaking, then don’t turn on Bluetooth until after you have created your seedphrase. Trezor Suite doesn’t have to be online once you downloaded the app and device firmware, if I recall correctly, so you should be able to create the seed in an air gapped environment.

Trezor is completely open source and is regularly audited by independent whitehat hackers and has maintained a good track record all these years.

[Johnds1]

I think you guys are misunderstanding what I mean when I said "releasing" the seed phrase, or I'm not being clear.

I have both the Ledger nano x and the Trezor safe 5.

Initial Ledger nano x setup = Does not need to be connected to any internet, app or program for it to be able to show you your 24 words(seed phrase), so you can write them down.  You simply charge and turn the device on and go through the steps. Yes i am aware of the ledger recover issue that everyone has an issue with, which is why i switched to Trezor safe 5.

Initial Trezor safe 5 setup = No battery.  Needs to be connected to Trezor Suite with a wire(which I do not like), for it to show you your words(seed phrase), to write down.  The device should be completely independent of any program when "providing" you with your words.

My question:
Trezor Safe 7 = Since it now has its own battery, is it able to show you your words(seed phrase) to write down without being connected to Trezor suite?

Thank you.

[PrivacyG]

My question does not answer yours but being paranoid myself I am curious.  Are you asking because you do not feel safe having to connect to anything else from the external world in order to see the Seed?

[Cookdata]

My question:
Trezor Safe 7 = Since it now has its own battery, is it able to show you your words(seed phrase) to write down without being connected to Trezor suite?

Thank you.

I get your questions now.

The previous model doesn't have inbuilt battery and doesn't have bluetooth, you will have to connect through USB cable.

The Trezor safe 7 is the only model with Bluetooth, it is not necessary to connect through USB cable as it has an inbuilt battery to power the device. You can connect the device through bluetooth with Trezor suite from your computer or through your phone.

You have two options:
Bluetooth
USB cable.

However, even with this update, the inbuilt battery doesn't make the device an airgap, you will still need the Trezor suite (computer and phone to use the device).

There is dedicated thread here

⤷https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=5562231.msg65917361#msg65917361

[bitmover]

My question:
Trezor Safe 7 = Since it now has its own battery, is it able to show you your words(seed phrase) to write down without being connected to Trezor suite?

Thank you.

You are overthinking.

Trezor is the safest hardware wallet in world

Forget about that "releasing " seed phrases idea. Trezor is an airgapped device, you can even connect it in a infected computer that you wont be hacked. You are safe using trezor.
You might need to connect it to the suite first, but it makes no difference.

Just note down in a paper the seed once you start the device. Follow manufacturer instructions and that is it.

[Forsyth Jones]

I think what the OP wants is simply to generate the wallet (seed phrase) offline on the device.

Searching on google for "generate wallet on Trezor via powerbank"

Google's AI response appears, claiming it's possible, provided you use a powerbank and a cable that provides sufficient power, but further down it states that it's still necessary to connect the Trezor to a computer or Android/iOS device (if using Safe 7) with Trezor Suite. LOL. I didn't understand anything, is it possible or not??? I think the AI ​​hallucinated hahaha  

I remember some time ago, an update came out for Trezor Suite where it allows generating the wallet with the internet disabled or through a powerbank, but I haven't found any source that reinforces this.

In any case, if the OP really doesn't feel comfortable starting the device for the first time using Trezor Suite on an online computer, he will have to do the following:

Have a second computer or cell phone, connect the Trezor to that computer, initialize and complete the initial setup (PIN + backup, etc).
If you don't have a second device, just download a Linux distribution (like Ubuntu, Mint, etc) and perform the operations in Live mode (where nothing will be stored on the device's HDD/SSD, only in volatile memory, RAM, etc).
Format/perform a clean reinstall of the OS on the second computer or simply download an amnesic and anonymous Linux distribution like TailsOS, burn the .iso image to a flash drive/SD card. It runs in Live mode and whenever a session ends, all data is automatically erased without leaving any trace. Invalidate the SD card or simply break it.  

In any case, it's much easier to opt for an air-gapped hardware wallet like Passport, Coldcard, etc... or a second offline PC (requires in-depth knowledge of self-custody and cybersecurity).
Furthermore, if you choose to use your current computer/mobile device, make sure you don't delete the current OS or any files when using a Linux distribution. In any case, as long as you don't install Linux but only use it in Live mode, you'll be fine. Research everything you do thoroughly.

If you want ultimate security and peace of mind, learn about offline self-custody and air-gapped devices. Don't do anything you don't know how to do, gain experience, watch yt videos, etc.

[dkbit98]

1) Now that it is wireless, can anyone confirm if the device releases the seed phrase without having to connect to trezor suite?  Honestly, I think that's safer without any connectivity at all.

I don't know who told that Trezor Safe 7 has wireless, but that is NOT true.
It does has secure bluetooth connectivity, but it's not like stanbard bluetooth, and you don't have to use it if you don't want, since cable connections stil works fine.

2) How do you know if the open source coding has been verified and safe?  I cant read code.

There are websites and other developers that confirm this for you, for example Walletscrutiny and few others.
So far there was never any issues with all Trezor devices, unlike other crap closed source hardware wallets.
https://walletscrutiny.com/hardware/trezorSafe7/

[Lucius]

You are overthinking.
Trezor is the safest hardware wallet in world
Forget about that "releasing " seed phrases idea. Trezor is an airgapped device, you can even connect it in a infected computer that you wont be hacked. You are safe using trezor.
You might need to connect it to the suite first, but it makes no difference.
Just note down in a paper the seed once you start the device. Follow manufacturer instructions and that is it.

No Trezor HW is air-gapped, and I don't know why you're saying that because you're not a beginner who could think so wrongly. Every device (HW) that has access to the internet is not air-gapped, and every Trezor must have direct access to the internet to function, communicating with it through its interface.

This interface can be fake, whether it is Trezor Suite or some other interface (Electrum, Sparow...) and the user can become a victim of clipboard malware if they do not compare the addresses in the interface with the address on the Trezor screen.

The only true air-gapperd devices are those that communicate with the interface through QR codes or SD cards and thus have no contact with the internet. Therefore, saying that Trezor is the most secure HW wallet in the world is nonsense.

[bitmover]

every Trezor must have direct access to the internet to function, communicating with it through its interface.

No  this is false.
You can sign the message offline and broadcast it later. Trezor doesn't need internet to work.

You can do so using electrum

This interface can be fake, whether it is Trezor Suite or some other interface (Electrum, Sparow...) and the user can become a victim of clipboard malware if they do not compare the addresses in the interface with the address on the Trezor screen.

The only true air-gapperd devices are those that communicate with the interface through QR codes or SD cards and thus have no contact with the internet. Therefore, saying that Trezor is the most secure HW wallet in the world is nonsense.

 you may fall into inserting a fake software in your airfares device as well.

No device can make you safe against user error/social engineering. If you are fooled into sending bitcoin to the wrong address, no hw will help you.

[Lucius]

every Trezor must have direct access to the internet to function, communicating with it through its interface.

No  this is false.
You can sign the message offline and broadcast it later. Trezor doesn't need internet to work.
You can do so using electrum

Theoretically, it is possible, but 99% of users will use that device in online mode, because they want to see their balance, and in addition, an internet connection is required for the initial setup. Considering that we have seen that it is possible to extract the seed remotely, who can say with certainty that every HW does not/will not have that possibility in future?

you may fall into inserting a fake software in your airfares device as well.
No device can make you safe against user error/social engineering. If you are fooled into sending bitcoin to the wrong address, no hw will help you.

You've obviously never held a real air-gapped device in your hands, because then you might realize how difficult it really is to compromise such a device. However, I agree that people are the weakest link - social engineering is a completely different story and it doesn't matter at all if you have a hardware wallet or coins are in a CEX account.

[bitmover]

Theoretically, it is possible, but 99% of users will use that device in online mode, because they want to see their balance, and in addition, an internet connection is required for the initial setup. Considering that we have seen that it is possible to extract the seed remotely, who can say with certainty that every HW does not/will not have that possibility in future?

You are assuming people use the device incorrectly , and then also assuming it doesnt work without internet. It does work without internet, and it also doesn't extract the seed remotely.

You may be talking about ledger. Not even ledger allows to extract the seed remotely. You need to updatethe firmware and enable the function to send the seed (it isnt extracted remotetly). Ledger also works offline. without internet.

Trezor is a great device, and much safer than most home made "air gapped" computers where people often lose funds due to mistakes they made while setting it up

[Forsyth Jones]

You are assuming people use the device incorrectly , and then also assuming it doesnt work without internet. It does work without internet, and it also doesn't extract the seed remotely.

You may be talking about ledger. Not even ledger allows to extract the seed remotely. You need to updatethe firmware and enable the function to send the seed (it isnt extracted remotetly). Ledger also works offline. without internet.

Trezor is a great device, and much safer than most home made "air gapped" computers where people often lose funds due to mistakes they made while setting it up

I remember setting up a new seed phrase on my Trezor Model T integrated with Electrum, I did this just as a test, but it should probably also be possible in Trezor Suite.

If the device guarantees that even when connected online it won't leak the seed phrase and PKs, it makes no difference to generate the seed phrase with the internet disabled. Since it will be necessary to connect the device to the computer to sign/send coins.

What makes the difference is that the device is air-gapped to meet the OP's threat model.

[bitmover]

I remember setting up a new seed phrase on my Trezor Model T integrated with Electrum, I did this just as a test, but it should probably also be possible in Trezor Suite.

Yeah, when setting up ledger it also doesn't need the internet.

Ledger and trezor do not need internet neither to generate the seed neither to sign transactions.

Old models need to connect to the USB port to get energy, not internet.

[Pmalek]

2) How do you know if the open source coding has been verified and safe?  I cant read code.

Open-source code allows anyone to inspect and verify what the device does. But if you can't do this yourself, then trust is involved. You will have to trust that those who know how to have done it thoroughly. Considering that Trezor and their devices have been around for over a decade, it's ok to say that their hardware wallets are safe and there is nothing malicious and unsafe in their code.

What you needed is a airgapped device.

There is no need for connectivity to PC for any reason.

Upgrades can be done without PC.

Transactions are carried out offline.

If the device doesn't come with an installed firmware or you want to upgrade to a newer version of the firmware, then you will need to establish a connection to a PC or phone from where you are going to get the needed file(s). Alternatively, you can install the new firmware from a SD card if the device supports them.

[Forsyth Jones]

If the device doesn't come with an installed firmware or you want to upgrade to a newer version of the firmware, then you will need to establish a connection to a PC or phone from where you are going to get the needed file(s). Alternatively, you can install the new firmware from a SD card if the device supports them.

Some airgapped hardware wallets provide the option to update the firmware via USB cable or SD card. I personally prefer updating via SD card if I'm using an air-gapped wallet.

As far as I know, on the Trezor Model T and other models with an SD card slot, it's possible to update the firmware via SD card, you can even check the SHA256 of the binary.

[Pmalek]

As far as I know, on the Trezor Model T and other models with an SD card slot, it's possible to update the firmware via SD card, you can even check the SHA256 of the binary.

I don't know. I don't have a Model T or Safe 7 to check it out. But since Trezor's aren't airgapped hardware wallets and you need to connect them to your PC for general usage, making transactions, and working with the Trezor Suite, you can as well upgrade the firmware via USB using Trezor Suite as your source. You will be connected via USB to your PC most of the time anyways.