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December 11, 2025, 02:38:49 PM
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The situation : Just this June of this year, on his yearly state of the nation address, President Marcos of the Philippines called out for investigation of the flood control projects where billions of pesos worth of projects turned out to be ghost projects or substandard projects, and contractors and lawmakers made 20 to 30% cut for every projects.

What's happening: The Senate launched investigations, and the government established an independent body to investigate and recommend prosecutions for the most significant corruption cases in the country's history.

There were arrests and many more arrests to follow the main suspect, who made insertions to the budget so contractors and lawmakers can steal and are at large and hiding overseas.

So far, all those accused and found guilty are now in prison, and many more to follow, but the main culprit, who is abroad, points to the President as the real mastermind of this massive corruption.

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The Malacañang on Sunday said that former Ako Bicol Party-list rep. Zaldy Co’s photos of suitcases do not prove his allegations that President Ferdinand Marcos Jr. ordered him to insert P100 billion worth of projects in the 2025 national budget.
Co, who has been abroad since the flood control mess hit the headlines, broke his silence earlier this week and accused Marcos Jr. and former House Speaker Martin Romualdez of allocating the funding and getting kickbacks from infrastructure projects.

Palace: Zaldy Co’s suitcase photos no proof of his corruption allegations vs Marcos Jr


So what do you think, Is it possible that the one who initiates an investigation is the mastermind?
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December 11, 2025, 04:12:08 PM
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The Malacañang on Sunday said that former Ako Bicol Party-list rep. Zaldy Co’s photos of suitcases do not prove his allegations that President Ferdinand Marcos Jr. ordered him to insert P100 billion worth of projects in the 2025 national budget.
Co, who has been abroad since the flood control mess hit the headlines, broke his silence earlier this week and accused Marcos Jr. and former House Speaker Martin Romualdez of allocating the funding and getting kickbacks from infrastructure projects.

Palace: Zaldy Co’s suitcase photos no proof of his corruption allegations vs Marcos Jr


So what do you think, Is it possible that the one who initiates an investigation is the mastermind?


You've already already heard from the horses mouth with the implications that it was the same president who signs for the investigation that is the primary culprit of the whole scenario.
From the look of things, there was no alignment that's to favour both parties so, one have to burst and the other playing smart.
The president just tend to hide under the blanket and using his executive power to subdue his allies after the disputes in their mindst by instituting a group on his behalf on disguise to legally hunt he and co. who're in the same mess with him just to secure his own reputation after they've both committed the offense.
In this case, if truly the law want to serve justice, they shouldn't consider who's the masterminder and who's working under instructions, all parties involved are just criminals.

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December 11, 2025, 04:58:26 PM
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For an "Independent Investigator" to be actually independent, it should be completely free from the control of governments and others. And the investigation should be done transparently, recorded by media and any interested person live, since this is a public matter. People in government are hardly sincere with things like this and will try to protect their own while focusing more on adversaries/enemies. If they were sincere and innocent they will be completely transparent, and people who are very close to them that are not their enemies will most likely be found guilty too as corruption like this usually thrive because society or majority encourages it. It's very unlikely that allies or leaders are not involved in serious corruption especially ones that involve conflict of interest.

Most times people want to be allies of the ones at  highest positions of power in order to be free to do really bad things and not be penalized by them. Only an investigation that is truely independent, transparent and honest can get such allies exposed.
When it comes to punishment, it's good to start from allies/family, and when you are blessing you start from them too. Unfortunately, they punish the enemies first and bless allies first
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December 11, 2025, 05:38:38 PM
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I always keep telling people that trust a politician at your own peril.

The President could be the mastermind. Perhaps he never expected the mess to happen to such a scale in the first place so he is now trying to play good guy and by doing so, a couple of people have to go down the drain.

To better understand who the real culprits are/were, a time will come when he is no longer in power and perhaps someone will be there to dig up old cases such as that one and shed more light.

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December 11, 2025, 10:43:16 PM
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To better understand who the real culprits are/were, a time will come when he is no longer in power and perhaps someone will be there to dig up old cases such as that one and shed more light.

The president is doing everything he can to restrict his fierce rival, the vice president, from being elected as the next president. I'm sure he will orchestrate an impeachment next year or will approve the bill about a political dynasty.
The president being the master mind is a good story to explore, and yeah, you are right, the only way to find out is if he is already out of the presidency and the new one is not his ally.



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December 12, 2025, 06:21:38 AM
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I don’t know anything about this case, but I do know that it is a common tactic among scammers to pose as a person putting together a case against themselves in order to make sure nothing is ever done.

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December 12, 2025, 06:10:06 PM
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I always keep telling people that trust a politician at your own peril.

The President could be the mastermind. Perhaps he never expected the mess to happen to such a scale in the first place so he is now trying to play good guy and by doing so, a couple of people have to go down the drain.

To better understand who the real culprits are/were, a time will come when he is no longer in power and perhaps someone will be there to dig up old cases such as that one and shed more light.
Trusting a politician that is in quest for power is like having your hand thrusted into the mouth of wild animal with the mindset that it won't bite you Undecided

So far as the whoever is being accused of being a part of the mastermind is currently in power in the government every form of investigation made would in a way exhonorate him because in the main time he wields the power and in as much as the investigators ain't private independent investigators but within the current government irrespective of the arm of government true justice and findings can't be delivered rightly. Perhaps, when a new government that is interested in the case comes to power then a relief for independent investigation can be hoped for to catch the real culprits completely.

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December 12, 2025, 08:25:30 PM
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I always keep telling people that trust a politician at your own peril.

The President could be the mastermind. Perhaps he never expected the mess to happen to such a scale in the first place so he is now trying to play good guy and by doing so, a couple of people have to go down the drain.

To better understand who the real culprits are/were, a time will come when he is no longer in power and perhaps someone will be there to dig up old cases such as that one and shed more light.
Trusting a politician that is in quest for power is like having your hand thrusted into the mouth of wild animal with the mindset that it won't bite you Undecided

So far as the whoever is being accused of being a part of the mastermind is currently in power in the government every form of investigation made would in a way exhonorate him because in the main time he wields the power and in as much as the investigators ain't private independent investigators but within the current government irrespective of the arm of government true justice and findings can't be delivered rightly. Perhaps, when a new government that is interested in the case comes to power then a relief for independent investigation can be hoped for to catch the real culprits completely.
You're very correct. Most times the real mastermind of evils are the ones that start pointing accusing fingers and pushing for investigation. They believe that by so doing, the entire people will shift attention from them and focus on someone else. The logic is simple, the masses would always be like, "If he was guilty, he won't be very interested in the case". But this is the weirdest notion to have especially among politicians and public servants.
Back then in our childhood, when we're gathered in neighborhood and someone farts, most times he will be the first person to shout and start asking everyone, did you fart?? I think that was even the origin of corruption and it keeps happening down to this day. Until the masses start thinking outside the box or involve a neutral person or a private sector to investigate a given incidence or misappropriation, no true justice will be achieved.

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December 12, 2025, 08:46:53 PM
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Its very possible, though its not common, you will hardly see that the mastermind was the one filing for a report on any assault, except for hardened criminals, one will be more conscious of the events like this that could brought about accusation coming as an allegation against, if we don't have anything to proof ourself right or innocent, we may take others wrath of law for being ignorant.

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To better understand who the real culprits are/were, a time will come when he is no longer in power and perhaps someone will be there to dig up old cases such as that one and shed more light.

He has only two more years in power, so he will do everything he can to have one of his allies elected president and to take out his rivals in the next election. I don't know if he can do it; he is not as wise and as brave as his dictator father, and he cannot implement martial law because the military will not support him, and he has no valid reason to do so.
The Philippine politics is a game of manipulation, and the best one who can implement their game plan will succeed but in the end the world will know who the real mastermind is.
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I always keep telling people that trust a politician at your own peril.


It's true that politicians can never be trusted, because I think they are all greedy people who only think of themselves,  so trusting one is at your own detriment. Politicians are never honest in their dealing, they will say one thing and do another.
In this situation,  it's true that the president might be involved,  but he is the one in power right now and he has found a way to remove himself from the scandal, I guess that why he started the investigation,  so the poor masses will think he is not involved in the act.

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Life could be cruel atimes, because people can pretend as if they were innocent of something they actually know about, once they see that they were not caught or you lack the necessary evidence in proving them wrong, they take advantage of the situation and turn it over, thisnisnnist to show us how far man can go, even when you have your evidence, they still stand to drag it with you to an extent or use power against you if they ha e the capacity to do so, injustice is prevailing more today, the poor are suffering the cost because they lack voices.

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Life could be cruel atimes, because people can pretend as if they were innocent of something they actually know about, once they see that they were not caught or you lack the necessary evidence in proving them wrong, they take advantage of the situation and turn it over, thisnisnnist to show us how far man can go, even when you have your evidence, they still stand to drag it with you to an extent or use power against you if they ha e the capacity to do so, injustice is prevailing more today, the poor are suffering the cost because they lack voices.
hahaha it’s like that spiderman meme where they are all pointing at each other, except one of them is holding the gun and the badge lol
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Politics is dirty man and it's possible that whoever wears white, is also the man that's wearing red behind the curtain. So, if someone wants to show how clean they are, they need public records about it. And the people will have the verdict if the official is clean or not. But if their family as a history of plunder and other stealing cases from public funds, that's already telling one thing about his leadership. It's possible that who conducts the investigation is also behind the maneuver of the corruption so that they can divert the path onto themselves.

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December 20, 2025, 10:19:03 PM
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Not only it's possible, but also happens quite frequently. It's the perfect crime, since the case is on the hands of the criminal. He controls the investigations, so he will make sure nothing goes up the surface.

In Brazil there is a similar case involving the supreme court, where the judge is the victim, but also the judge of the case. And there is also some other cases where there are relatives of supreme court's members who work for individuals who are being judged by the supreme court itself. There is a clear conflict of interest going on, but what can we do about it?

They rule the country, they mould the laws to favour themselves, while most people are alienated and don't care at all. Believe in yourself, in your own character, potential and stop expecting society will improve, politicians will improve, the world will improve. They are doomed to failure, just like everyone who rised too much in spots of power and influence.

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I will give you another instance. The death of Charlie Kirk and his murderers might be an orchestrated act similar to the instance you mentioned. So far, nothing has been heard about the execution of the murderer. With time, everyone has forgotten about Charlie Kirk's death so soon; he will only be remembered a year from now. The masterminders of his death might be the ones; I wont call names. The ones who are giving orders for the investigations that took place. Everyone is a suspect until the case is solved. However, I dont still believe the case was solved. There is a hidden truth, but we cannot see em or tell.

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December 21, 2025, 03:10:07 PM
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The truth remain, in as much I may not know much about this, but drawing inference from what happens in politics, it's very unwise to even think such can't be possible, because most cases the politician project issue in such away that they can deceived the people and redirect their mind., even when they are they course of their pains, suffering or whatever, the less many outside the system of politics look the more they see verse versa.
Politician do many things, it could be a strategy to even make his opponent possess some questionable character presenting himself good before the people. Let me say it's alledge many government course some harm and unrest before the people and still fight against that which they have coursed while they are acting as shadow member empowering such unrest.

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December 21, 2025, 10:46:53 PM
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It’s not impossible history is full of cases where leaders call for investigations to control the narrative or clean up loose ends, starting an investigation gives you power over timing scope and who gets sacrificed first.

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December 22, 2025, 07:29:05 PM
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So what do you think, Is it possible that the one who initiates an investigation is the mastermind?
It is 100% possible. Are you surprised or heard of such for the first time. This is how the leaders on seat in my country embezzles public funds for project. Since, the president ia involved, it's easy for them to do away with the money because they have no case to answer. My country is so fucked and corrupt that nothing can be done to these criminals.

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So what do you think, Is it possible that the one who initiates an investigation is the mastermind?

It is possible for someone that actually initiated am investigation to be part of the mastermind. The reason maybe to cover up all traces of his involvement in such action. It may also be to avoid unnecessary suspicion. But , it will be impossible for such investigations to be successful. Since it is not a true investigation but rather a kind of cover up.so the president may not actually be involved in such act

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