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[SellPNDforDOGE]

Hey Pandalovers be calmed guys!

Forget about actual panic state. Let's look at numbers. Numbers don't lie: During last month more than 8 Bn PND had been dumped. Considering a total supply of 32 Bn that means 25% of the total has been sold with exit in the market. Believe me, not many cryptocoins can say that. For most of them, a 10% dump means the death.

Don't be afraid or panic, if the dev wants to exit at a ridicoulous price, he's free to do it. This coin is a big thing and cannot die, what's just happens is that a big holder is in a hurry. Money, as energy, don't get destroyed, just change of hands. And PND is quickly changing of hands thanks to this traitor dev. PND is still a valuable coin and smart investors will buy and hold it until fair prices come. Trust in me, I'm one of them and PND has given me the best opportunity of this 2015  

Cheap coins means less people get more coins. This is bad for community and main problem with POS.  5 btc gets you 500 million coins and only 65 people can own so many coins, dev might have 4 billion. So distribution even worse because it's POS and holders have all the power.

[revealed]

Cheap coins means less people get more coins. This is bad for community and main problem with POS.  5 btc gets you 500 million coins and only 65 people can own so many coins, dev might have 4 billion. So distribution even worse because it's POS and holders have all the power.

It gives you a chance to become one of the chosen few too
If anyone is spending 5BTC for PND today, he/she is taking a huge risk.
high risk = high reward/no reward.

Why are we so worried about how many coins the dev has?
Its the coins which he/she bought/mined probably at higher prices (as I havent seen PND so low priced in my time)
And why cant he do whatever he wants with his coins? To me the dev is just like any other whale, in this case.
Its not fair to ask the devs to hold whatever coins they have from selling, where as everyone else in the community can buy/sell as they wish.
Devs are human too -- they may genuinely in need of some money and sometime greed takes over
Or am I missing something here? Was there any community funds the dev controlled?

FACT: Satoshi Nakomoto still holds more than 1 million bitcoins

[Pelgoran98]

I don't give a flyin' fuck what happens. I am holding onto my coins, so nothing changes on my part. If it all dies and goes to hell, fine and dandy. If it morphs into something new or merges, tits up. If it flourishes in 10 years, I'll be there. But, I will not worry about it one more second. I am free as I've ever been because it is now officially outa' my hands, and my desire to participate has been officially terminated. I'm just an owner of most likely worthless horseshit, with one less tax headache. That works for me. Goodbye and good luck.

[mtrycz]

I fell you're being a little hasty.

I don't have a full (hell, not even partial) understanding of the situation, that's why I'll wait it out and try to make one. Surely I won't make decisions based on a single eventful or uneventful day. Certailny a lot has happened and a lot is continuing to happen both here and on irc, but it's just one day.

tl;dr: everybody chill, and make decisions when you're chill, not when you're *not* chill.

Goodnight all!

[Pelgoran98]

I fell you're being a little hasty.

I don't have a full (hell, not even partial) understanding of the situation, that's why I'll wait it out and try to make one. Surely I won't make decisions based on a single eventful or uneventful day. Certailny a lot has happened and a lot is continuing to happen both here and on irc, but it's just one day.

tl;dr: everybody chill, and make decisions when you're chill, not when you're *not* chill.

Goodnight all!

As I said, I am taking absolutely no action. How chill is that?

[LTListener]

I don't give a flyin' fuck what happens. I am holding onto my coins, so nothing changes on my part. If it all dies and goes to hell, fine and dandy. If it morphs into something new or merges, tits up. If it flourishes in 10 years, I'll be there. But, I will not worry about it one more second. I am free as I've ever been because it is now officially outa' my hands, and my desire to participate has been officially terminated. I'm just an owner of most likely worthless horseshit, with one less tax headache. That works for me. Goodbye and good luck.

These are my sentiments about bitcoin, but relax man! The little amount of just 128 bitcoin can bring us up to a staggering 10 satoshi. Just hold.

[Argon18]

OMG!!!

This forum is better than a soap opera.

So all original devs are missing, new guy named Mani pops up with secret details on what happened and what should be done to save PND, then less than a week later Mani explains why you should dump as soon as possible. LOL

Just to update the clueless ,
AmDoge is SellPNDforDOGE  , really you didn't even make it hard to spot you.

All of you PND people are being played this is the next dump before they pump again.

So your Choices are this ,
for the ones that had enough sell & get out as soon as possible, because it is only Pump & Dump with the current team.

for the ones that want to see it live , group together , only buy in the litecoin markets for like 30 litochis
until you undercut the ahole at 1 satochi because he is just stocking up for the next pump.
Also form a new dev team with no one from the old , including mani.

If you don't form a completely new dev team to take over this coin , then it is pump and dump forever.

How many have noticed the PND is Love,  PND is Life , crowd has barely said anything.
They should also be excluded from any new team, because they are in on the pump and dump inner circle.

[rghmodz]

I was in dev channel. I can confirm MaNI was not new and he has been with PND for awhile and that he was wallet dev for PND.  

OMG!!!

This forum is better than a soap opera.

So all original devs are missing, new guy named Mani pops up with secret details on what happened and what should be done to save PND, then less than a week later Mani explains why you should dump as soon as possible. LOL

Just to update the clueless ,
AmDoge is SellPNDforDOGE  , really you didn't even make it hard to spot you.

All of you PND people are being played this is the next dump before they pump again.

So your Choices are this ,
for the ones that had enough sell & get out as soon as possible, because it is only Pump & Dump with the current team.

for the ones that want to see it live , group together , only buy in the litecoin markets for like 30 litochis
until you undercut the ahole at 1 satochi because he is just stocking up for the next pump.
Also form a new dev team with no one from the old , including mani.

If you don't form a completely new dev team to take over this coin , then it is pump and dump forever.

How many have noticed the PND is Love,  PND is Life , crowd has barely said anything.
They should also be excluded from any new team, because they are in on the pump and dump inner circle.

[fusi0n]

Hey all,

It is with much sadness that I find myself having to make this announcement, usually I am a builder and do everything in my power to encourage people to carry on, and to bring hope, and that it is what I have tried to do over the last few weeks.
So it is difficult to find myself in a position where I am instead going to reverse my position and tell people to give up on something and cut their losses before they are hurt further. However there are things that must be said and based on these things I feel it is now the best course of action, the only ethical thing for me to do is to advise people against investing any further time or money in this coin.


Firstly, you will have noticed that despite my ultimatum and various impationed pleading on IRC by various community members that have given their all to their coins, amDOGE continues to flirt all responsibility, ignore everyone and won't make a basic statement. This is of course not a good sign for the coin, though nobody expects much from her ignoring people like a child at the time when the coin needs leadership is a disgrace and an insult to everyone who places trust in her.

Anyway unfortunately that isn't even what this post is about, there is more.
In my previous communications I stated that after dissapearing bdanyos accounts remained dormant - and that based on this and other things we could not believe that he was a scammer, as such myself and ozzke believed that something bad may have happened to him as it did not make sense.
Unfortunately this situation has changed, this weekend I decided to dig up the account information and look at it again, and to my surprise - at almost the same time as I made my announcement (around 4-5 March) about what was going on - the bdanyo accounts all sprung into action.
You can see them here:
http://pnd.showed.us/address/PNsD4AfYexQtuVRApcXyfjYAqZwPvagsLf
http://pnd.showed.us/address/PBYhqaA3YFbc1LXKTDpPFqBqPMP33eSiQE
http://pnd.showed.us/address/PBMjW35Ur4BpzQQ2V7sN5yqHMqqZhoY2De
http://pnd.showed.us/address/PSXKAXtZgRbdzcdNcE29UCZZ25wcHPsQpG
http://pnd.showed.us/address/PJmv2p7yx1pct3EsJM1RLiBmj58S3wzQFD

All of these accounts have been emptied into other accounts, following the blockchain trail around some of these other accounts have lots of deposits of 999998 PND into them (this is the maximum you can withdraw from bitrex at one time)
From what I can tell a lot of it ends up here:
http://pnd.showed.us/address/PQ1KbkoaEWdpYLfsaUGmbv5LmB7i1huL49
An account with 1.5 billion PND sitting in it, a substantial amount of PND. The blockchain trail is a mess and difficult to follow and of course he may have other further accounts on bittrex that haven't been emptied into ......

Hi MaNI, Hold your horses!

I'm affraid your assumptions are incorrect.

PQ1KbkoaEWdpYLfsaUGmbv5LmB7i1huL49 belongs to me and I am in no way associated with any PND devs.

[fusi0n]

MaNI, Thank you for making that post I know it was not an easy decision to come to but regretfully I must concur with your analysis and conclusions.  I found out about this less than 24 hours ago and i am still feel sick to my stomach we had really started something special.  For those of you who do not just wash your hands of crypto here and now in disgust and enjoyed the community led aspect of what we were trying to do please head over to pandacointalk there are still positive developments to discuss.

PhiPhi

MaNI's analysis and conclusions are incorrect.

[Argon18]

I was in dev channel. I can confirm MaNI was not new and he has been with PND for awhile and that he was wallet dev for PND.

He is still working for the others, by the way he played the story.
Keep any of the originals and the same pattern will develop, since they have to be on the inside to schedule the pump and dumps to their advantage.

[Argon18]

OMG!!!

This forum is better than a soap opera.

So all original devs are missing, new guy named Mani pops up with secret details on what happened and what should be done to save PND, then less than a week later Mani explains why you should dump as soon as possible. LOL

Just to update the clueless ,
AmDoge is SellPNDforDOGE  , really you didn't even make it hard to spot you.

All of you PND people are being played this is the next dump before they pump again.

So your Choices are this ,
for the ones that had enough sell & get out as soon as possible, because it is only Pump & Dump with the current team.

for the ones that want to see it live , group together , only buy in the litecoin markets for like 30 litochis
until you undercut the ahole at 1 satochi because he is just stocking up for the next pump.
Also form a new dev team with no one from the old , including mani.

If you don't form a completely new dev team to take over this coin , then it is pump and dump forever.

How many have noticed the PND is Love,  PND is Life , crowd has barely said anything.
They should also be excluded from any new team, because they are in on the pump and dump inner circle.

[rghmodz]

I was in dev channel. I can confirm MaNI was not new and he has been with PND for awhile and that he was wallet dev for PND.

He is still working for the others, by the way he played the story.
Keep any of the originals and the same pattern will develop, since they have to be on the inside to schedule the pump and dumps to their advantage.

What? Who is still working for the others? MaNI? Nope he is going to another coin.

[Argon18]

What? Who is still working for the others? MaNI? Nope he is going to another coin.

LOL,
his whole purpose was to cause the PND is dead Dump,
just a cover story to trick the clueless.
They are playing you dude, read between the lines.
Read their forums from the beginning, this is like the 3rd time they have played the investors.

[maxvolts]

What do you base this accusation on?

[Argon18]

What do you base this accusation on?

Read their forums from the beginning, it becomes apparent.

Plus anytime in the past when i put up trading tips that would help you guys stop the dumping cycle,
those PND is Love PND is Life Posers would always shout me out, so it easy to see they were profiting from others loss. And where are they now , when you need cheer leaders the most.
Quiet as a pin, it is apparent. An entirely new team with none of them included has to be created if you want to avoid PND coin just being a pump and dump coin.

Here is 1 example:

why don´t rise the price? 

Because the $50,000 that Whale Panda invested in PND has been eaten away by the dumpers.
And he is out of funds to Pump up the coin , so now the price crash begins unless others invest all of their funds to hold the price.

and below is the reason
_______________________________________________________________________________ ___
Quote from: TheCoin on November 11, 2014, 12:53:58 PM
Dumpers have a finite amount of coins to dump and its normal for coins to change hands.  If you feel price is cheap, buy.

Sorry , but they have an ever changing amount.
Example
They Know WhalePanda is trying to increase the price, so they sell to him at 12 sat, but put in buy orders at a lower rate say 10 sat, and some sell when the price drops to 10 , so the dumpers replenish their pandacoins, and wait for the next pump and repeat selling higher. Why do you think that $20,000 input from whale never got you guys to even 20 sat. They are constantly draining the marketcap for their own personal gain.
The Dumpers are making money off of you every few sat.

Unless you can buy over 80% of the market , they will keep crushing you over & over again.

IMO
_______________________________________________________________________________ _______

Now let the personal abuse against me begin since that what happens whenever you say anything in this forum.

[SellPNDforDOGE]

OMG!!!

This forum is better than a soap opera.

So all original devs are missing, new guy named Mani pops up with secret details on what happened and what should be done to save PND, then less than a week later Mani explains why you should dump as soon as possible. LOL

Just to update the clueless ,
AmDoge is SellPNDforDOGE  , really you didn't even make it hard to spot you.

All of you PND people are being played this is the next dump before they pump again.

So your Choices are this ,
for the ones that had enough sell & get out as soon as possible, because it is only Pump & Dump with the current team.

for the ones that want to see it live , group together , only buy in the litecoin markets for like 30 litochis
until you undercut the ahole at 1 satochi because he is just stocking up for the next pump.
Also form a new dev team with no one from the old , including mani.

If you don't form a completely new dev team to take over this coin , then it is pump and dump forever.

How many have noticed the PND is Love,  PND is Life , crowd has barely said anything.
They should also be excluded from any new team, because they are in on the pump and dump inner circle.

I can't believe that with so many people in the community that the price can't be pumped above 5 sat, did we get unlucky with a bunch of poor people getting in PND coin?

[Argon18]

OMG!!!

This forum is better than a soap opera.

So all original devs are missing, new guy named Mani pops up with secret details on what happened and what should be done to save PND, then less than a week later Mani explains why you should dump as soon as possible. LOL

Just to update the clueless ,
AmDoge is SellPNDforDOGE  , really you didn't even make it hard to spot you.

All of you PND people are being played this is the next dump before they pump again.

So your Choices are this ,
for the ones that had enough sell & get out as soon as possible, because it is only Pump & Dump with the current team.

for the ones that want to see it live , group together , only buy in the litecoin markets for like 30 litochis
until you undercut the ahole at 1 satochi because he is just stocking up for the next pump.
Also form a new dev team with no one from the old , including mani.

If you don't form a completely new dev team to take over this coin , then it is pump and dump forever.

How many have noticed the PND is Love,  PND is Life , crowd has barely said anything.
They should also be excluded from any new team, because they are in on the pump and dump inner circle.

I can't believe that with so many people in the community that the price can't be pumped above 5 sat, did we get unlucky with a bunch of poor people getting in PND coin?

No AmDoge ,

People are just tired of being crushed by insiders.
You won't be able to trick them into pumping this coin above 1 sat again , like the last few times.
Best to look for another way of making money.

AG18

[MaNI]

Hey Pandalovers be calmed guys!

Forget about actual panic state. Let's look at numbers. Numbers don't lie: During last month more than 8 Bn PND had been dumped. Considering a total supply of 32 Bn that means 25% of the total has been sold with exit in the market. Believe me, not many cryptocoins can say that. For most of them, a 10% dump means the death.

Don't be afraid or panic, if the dev wants to exit at a ridicoulous price, he's free to do it. This coin is a big thing and cannot die, what's just happens is that a big holder is in a hurry. Money, as energy, don't get destroyed, just change of hands. And PND is quickly changing of hands thanks to this traitor dev. PND is still a valuable coin and smart investors will buy and hold it until fair prices come. Trust in me, I'm one of them and PND has given me the best opportunity of this 2015  

Wow how completely backwards, this isn't about some dev selling a few of his coins.
This is about a dev destroying the coin, so that he can get *billions*, yes he probably at this point holds over 4 billion of the coin or more.
He will wait for a rebuild and then dump all over you, putting your head in the sand will not change this.


Any hype you see from now on is an attempt to steal money from innocents, fall for it at your own peril, if you have any sanity don't spend another cent on this coin.

[MaNI]

OMG!!!

This forum is better than a soap opera.

So all original devs are missing, new guy named Mani pops up with secret details on what happened and what should be done to save PND, then less than a week later Mani explains why you should dump as soon as possible. LOL

Just to update the clueless ,
AmDoge is SellPNDforDOGE  , really you didn't even make it hard to spot you.

All of you PND people are being played this is the next dump before they pump again.

So your Choices are this ,
for the ones that had enough sell & get out as soon as possible, because it is only Pump & Dump with the current team.

for the ones that want to see it live , group together , only buy in the litecoin markets for like 30 litochis
until you undercut the ahole at 1 satochi because he is just stocking up for the next pump.
Also form a new dev team with no one from the old , including mani.

If you don't form a completely new dev team to take over this coin , then it is pump and dump forever.

How many have noticed the PND is Love,  PND is Life , crowd has barely said anything.
They should also be excluded from any new team, because they are in on the pump and dump inner circle.

Argon, say what you want about me you are entitled to your opinion, but at least think about my version being legit.
1) You can check my nuick on freenode - I registered it 10 years ago - so while I'm not overly active in this community (check my post history I have posted a few times over the last 7 months) I'm no sock puppet.
2) I joined this coin around July not knowing the community or devs as I was hired
3) Things seemed to be going welll
4) It collapsed
5) I did what I thought was best and tried to give everyone hope
6) I realised that doing so was giving the scammers exactly what they want so I stopped and am now trying to save people from damage by advising them not to waste any more money and salvage what they can.


For the most part you are completely spot on, this coin will just get hyped and dumped from here on, but you are wrong about my motives.
You are also wrong about forming a new dev team - if you form a new dev team you will still get pumped and dumped - the price is too low and sinister players now hold too much of the supply. The reputation is way too shot for anyone who is serious to get involved.
I don't really care if you beleive me or not I guess but I just wanted to put it on the record, good luck. I only remain here for a while longer putting the truth out because anyone I can save from throwing money at a stupid investment I will.