NEM (XEM) Official Thread - 100% New Code - Easy To Use APIs

[Fatih87SK]

I'll go a ahead and say that the biggest found cluster consisted of over 200 accounts.
Now imagine someone comes to you with plausible data that indicate such clusters ? What would you have done ?
I'm pretty sure noone would have said "Well we said we wouldn't do another investigation. So no, let em have it".

Regarding the question of whom to contact - Just contact me. Prefferably only with questions but sure if you need to blow of some steam go ahead. 

It's not what NEM did. But how they did it.

In silence. Anonymous. Not transparent. Bad timing etc.

Ofcourse it's good that a puppet with 200 accounts get deleted. But like I said; not the result, but the road to it is really wrong.

[kodtycoon]

I'll go a ahead and say that the biggest found cluster consisted of over 200 accounts.
Now imagine someone comes to you with plausible data that indicate such clusters ? What would you have done ?
I'm pretty sure noone would have said "Well we said we wouldn't do another investigation. So no, let em have it".

Regarding the question of whom to contact - Just contact me. Prefferably only with questions but sure if you need to blow of some steam go ahead. 

It's not what NEM did. But how they did it.

In silence. Anonymous. Not transparent. Bad timing etc.

Ofcourse it's good that a puppet with 200 accounts get deleted. But like I said; not the result, but the road to it is really wrong.

I'm sorry but what would that have looked like ?

"Hello all you sockpuppets. Shall we kick sockpuppet?"
"Yes, please kick us all"

Also the sockmasters were getting lazier during the 2nd round and we needed them to be unaware so they wouldn't start to cover their tracks when redeeming.

This! Please, at least TRY to understand this.

The socks HAD TO think the stakeholder list was final, otherwise they would have been really careful with further steps.

[patmast3r]

I'll go a ahead and say that the biggest found cluster consisted of over 200 accounts.
Now imagine someone comes to you with plausible data that indicate such clusters ? What would you have done ?
I'm pretty sure noone would have said "Well we said we wouldn't do another investigation. So no, let em have it".

Regarding the question of whom to contact - Just contact me. Prefferably only with questions but sure if you need to blow of some steam go ahead. 

It's not what NEM did. But how they did it.

In silence. Anonymous. Not transparent. Bad timing etc.

Ofcourse it's good that a puppet with 200 accounts get deleted. But like I said; not the result, but the road to it is really wrong.

I can't say I wholeheartedly dissagree but I will say that we're doing the best we can with the best intentions in mind. 

[zoata87]

I'm sorry but what would that have looked like ?

"Hello all you sockpuppets. Shall we kick sockpuppet?"
"Yes, please kick us all"

Also the sockmasters were getting lazier during the 2nd round and we needed them to be unaware so they wouldn't start to cover their tracks when redeeming.

This! Please, at least TRY to understand this.

The socks HAD TO think the stakeholder list was final, otherwise they would have been really careful with further steps.

So all discussions about another investigations were pointless. The community was taken for another ride as with the logo voting.

[3x2]

People were allowed to have 2 stakes and if someone have 20stakes he should be kicked out, its simple as that. But also if people are managing account of others then they shouldnt loss their stakes, Its hard for pat too  

[kodtycoon]

I'm sorry but what would that have looked like ?

"Hello all you sockpuppets. Shall we kick sockpuppet?"
"Yes, please kick us all"

Also the sockmasters were getting lazier during the 2nd round and we needed them to be unaware so they wouldn't start to cover their tracks when redeeming.

This! Please, at least TRY to understand this.

The socks HAD TO think the stakeholder list was final, otherwise they would have been really careful with further steps.

So all discussions about another investigations were pointless. The community was taken for another ride as with the logo voting.

if it was announced there would be another sock removal, it would not have worked, and the 200+ sock master and the other sock masters would have gotten through and dumped the shit out of the market and crushed you investment... and you are not happy he was removed?

[BuliH]

I'm sorry but what would that have looked like ?

"Hello all you sockpuppets. Shall we kick sockpuppet?"
"Yes, please kick us all"

Also the sockmasters were getting lazier during the 2nd round and we needed them to be unaware so they wouldn't start to cover their tracks when redeeming.

This! Please, at least TRY to understand this.

The socks HAD TO think the stakeholder list was final, otherwise they would have been really careful with further steps.

I really understand this. The thing that the process was kept secret from as many as possible is the only way to do it. But something is wrong with the account analyze because my address is on the list. I didn't know that it is a requirement to post frequently. I just wanted to invest to something I believed and follow the progress. I didn't know that you have to register months before NEM was announced to be credible investor. I just have this one account just for following NEM, so in other words, just this thread. I just wanted be part of something game changing. I'll try to make my case after launch. I'm just dissapointed that I can't be there working for the economy when it really begins.

Other than this, great work all the devs and active nemsters. NEM is amazing.

[patmast3r]

I'm sorry but what would that have looked like ?

"Hello all you sockpuppets. Shall we kick sockpuppet?"
"Yes, please kick us all"

Also the sockmasters were getting lazier during the 2nd round and we needed them to be unaware so they wouldn't start to cover their tracks when redeeming.

This! Please, at least TRY to understand this.

The socks HAD TO think the stakeholder list was final, otherwise they would have been really careful with further steps.

I really understand this. The thing that the process was kept secret from as many as possible is the only way to do it. But something is wrong with the account analyze because my address is on the list. I didn't know that it is a requirement to post frequently. I just wanted to invest to something I believed and follow the progress. I didn't know that you have to register months before NEM was announced to be credible investor. I just have this one account just for following NEM, so in other words, just this thread. I just wanted be part of something game changing. I'll try to make my case after launch. I'm just dissapointed that I can't be there working for the economy when it really begins.

Other than this, great work all the devs and active nemsters. NEM is amazing.

Few posts and registering after a certain date or whatever can NOT get you kicked. These data were only taken into account to avoid legit people being kicked. So while acitivity can save you (because it just make you look more legit) lack of activity can not get you kicked.

[Fatih87SK]

A friend of mine lost his Bitcointalk password. Didn't claim his stake yet.

What can he do?

Other friends claimed their stakes and were never active in BTC afterwards. I will ask them if they are on the list.
Will let you know.

[zoata87]

I'm sorry but what would that have looked like ?

"Hello all you sockpuppets. Shall we kick sockpuppet?"
"Yes, please kick us all"

Also the sockmasters were getting lazier during the 2nd round and we needed them to be unaware so they wouldn't start to cover their tracks when redeeming.

This! Please, at least TRY to understand this.

The socks HAD TO think the stakeholder list was final, otherwise they would have been really careful with further steps.

So all discussions about another investigations were pointless. The community was taken for another ride as with the logo voting.

if it was announced there would be another sock removal, it would not have worked, and the 200+ sock master and the other sock masters would have gotten through and dumped the shit out of the market and crushed you investment... and you are not happy he was removed?

No i am not happy cause i am not able to take any following community voting serious.

[kodtycoon]

I'm sorry but what would that have looked like ?

"Hello all you sockpuppets. Shall we kick sockpuppet?"
"Yes, please kick us all"

Also the sockmasters were getting lazier during the 2nd round and we needed them to be unaware so they wouldn't start to cover their tracks when redeeming.

This! Please, at least TRY to understand this.

The socks HAD TO think the stakeholder list was final, otherwise they would have been really careful with further steps.

So all discussions about another investigations were pointless. The community was taken for another ride as with the logo voting.

if it was announced there would be another sock removal, it would not have worked, and the 200+ sock master and the other sock masters would have gotten through and dumped the shit out of the market and crushed you investment... and you are not happy he was removed?

No i am not happy cause i am not able to take any following community voting serious.

if you were given the choice to 1) stick with the and allow one sock master that controls 200+ stakes, and another that controls 7x stakes or would you 2) go against the vote and remove these monster sock masters? thats a fuck ton of stakes that could manipulate the market can cause all sort of havoc for years.. is it really worth sticking to a vote to risk something like that?

[Fatih87SK]

A friend of mine lost his Bitcointalk password. Didn't claim his stake yet.

What can he do?

Other friends claimed their stakes and were never active in BTC afterwards. I will ask them if they are on the list.
Will let you know.

if they have lost access to their btt account and have not saved their token, they will need to gain access to their account or post proof via a tx from the account that initially paid for their registration.. other than that, there isnt much that can be done im afraid.

I already thought so. I will ask him if he can provide those information. Thanks.

[mikesbmw]

if you were given the choice to 1) stick with the and allow one sock master that controls 200+ stakes, and another that controls 7x stakes or would you 2) go against the vote and remove these monster sock masters? thats a fuck ton of stakes that could manipulate the market can cause all sort of havoc for years.. is it really worth sticking to a vote to risk something like that?

We can't be sure if the sock puppet list is correct since we don't know what method was used to investigate.

[zoata87]

I'm sorry but what would that have looked like ?

"Hello all you sockpuppets. Shall we kick sockpuppet?"
"Yes, please kick us all"

Also the sockmasters were getting lazier during the 2nd round and we needed them to be unaware so they wouldn't start to cover their tracks when redeeming.

This! Please, at least TRY to understand this.

The socks HAD TO think the stakeholder list was final, otherwise they would have been really careful with further steps.

So all discussions about another investigations were pointless. The community was taken for another ride as with the logo voting.

if it was announced there would be another sock removal, it would not have worked, and the 200+ sock master and the other sock masters would have gotten through and dumped the shit out of the market and crushed you investment... and you are not happy he was removed?

No i am not happy cause i am not able to take any following community voting serious.

if you were given the choice to 1) stick with the and allow one sock master that controls 200+ stakes, and another that controls 7x stakes or would you 2) go against the vote and remove these monster sock masters? thats a fuck ton of stakes that could manipulate the market can cause all sort of havoc for years.. is it really worth sticking to a vote to risk something like that?

do we know the new list is legit?

[msin]

People were allowed to have 2 stakes and if someone have 20stakes he should be kicked out, its simple as that.

That restriction was lifted, I checked before buying multiple stakes on Nxt AE.

[zoata87]

Well I guess this will cause a delay for launch. No, i am not fudding.

[mixmaster]

Well I guess this will cause a delay for launch. No, i am not fudding.

no lol

[3x2]

People were allowed to have 2 stakes and if someone have 20stakes he should be kicked out, its simple as that.

That restriction was lifted, I checked before buying multiple stakes on Nxt AE.

i am not talking about AE, it was before that when NEM first launched. No one was allowed to claim NEM stake from more than 2 BTT accounts.

[mikesbmw]

People were allowed to have 2 stakes and if someone have 20stakes he should be kicked out, its simple as that.

That restriction was lifted, I checked before buying multiple stakes on Nxt AE.

i am not talking about AE, it was before that when NEM first launched. No one was allowed to claim NEM stake from more than 2 BTT accounts.

Incorrect.
When I registered it was allowed to claim stakes for family and friends.

[Simakki]

Crybabies=sockpuppets