NEM (XEM) Official Thread - 100% New Code - Easy To Use APIs

[kodtycoon]

Yes, that can be true, but you guys should not send stakes to poloniex. That's nonsense. Just contact these two guys.

I don't know exactly what your problem is......oh wait I know, you're still waiting for your stake and that's why you're pissed off.
If you'd visited the Nem forum you would know that one of the multi sig group is away and they will resume sending stakes in a couple of days.

I'm not worried that some stakes would get lost in Polo and end up in their pockets. The problem is that many have their Nem stored AT POLO and you never know what POLO would do with them and other coins.

** By the way my Polo account has been frozen for whatever reason   Can't move Nem anywhere.

I don't know exactly what your problem is......oh wait I know, you're account is frozen and that's why you're pissed off.

I just had to say it. This post however is not serious just meant as a joke.

Haha no I'm not pissed off, I have only about 500 Nem in Polo

I can guess the reason.
Their xem withdraw fee is 15 xem.
But if you withdraw millions of xem, the transaction fee is more than 100 xem.
They send millions of xem without that fee.
But even though it is not calculated at that time, the transaction fee is recorded somewhere.
It is not free.
You are surely saved more than 500 xem so far.
So, you cannot withdraw it.
It is not yours, but Poloniex's. 

minimum withdraw is like 500 - 1k xem or something i think.

[yshin365new]

Yes, that can be true, but you guys should not send stakes to poloniex. That's nonsense. Just contact these two guys.

I don't know exactly what your problem is......oh wait I know, you're still waiting for your stake and that's why you're pissed off.
If you'd visited the Nem forum you would know that one of the multi sig group is away and they will resume sending stakes in a couple of days.

I'm not worried that some stakes would get lost in Polo and end up in their pockets. The problem is that many have their Nem stored AT POLO and you never know what POLO would do with them and other coins.

** By the way my Polo account has been frozen for whatever reason   Can't move Nem anywhere.

I don't know exactly what your problem is......oh wait I know, you're account is frozen and that's why you're pissed off.

I just had to say it. This post however is not serious just meant as a joke.

Haha no I'm not pissed off, I have only about 500 Nem in Polo

I can guess the reason.
Their xem withdraw fee is 15 xem.
But if you withdraw millions of xem, the transaction fee is more than 100 xem.
They send millions of xem without that fee.
But even though it is not calculated at that time, the transaction fee is recorded somewhere.
It is not free.
You are surely saved more than 500 xem so far.
So, you cannot withdraw it.
It is not yours, but Poloniex's.  

minimum withdraw is like 500 - 1k xem or something i think.

There is no minimum xem in withdrawal in polo, I think.
And I have withdrawn 7 times, each are more than 1 m xem, without transaction fee.
 

[mill0601]

Yes, that can be true, but you guys should not send stakes to poloniex. That's nonsense. Just contact these two guys.

I don't know exactly what your problem is......oh wait I know, you're still waiting for your stake and that's why you're pissed off.
If you'd visited the Nem forum you would know that one of the multi sig group is away and they will resume sending stakes in a couple of days.

I'm not worried that some stakes would get lost in Polo and end up in their pockets. The problem is that many have their Nem stored AT POLO and you never know what POLO would do with them and other coins.

** By the way my Polo account has been frozen for whatever reason   Can't move Nem anywhere.

I don't know exactly what your problem is......oh wait I know, you're account is frozen and that's why you're pissed off.

I just had to say it. This post however is not serious just meant as a joke.

Haha no I'm not pissed off, I have only about 500 Nem in Polo

I can guess the reason.
Their xem withdraw fee is 15 xem.
But if you withdraw millions of xem, the transaction fee is more than 100 xem.
They send millions of xem without that fee.
But even though it is not calculated at that time, the transaction fee is recorded somewhere.
It is not free.
You are surely saved more than 500 xem so far.
So, you cannot withdraw it.
It is not yours, but Poloniex's.  

minimum withdraw is like 500 - 1k xem or something i think.

There is no minimum xem in withdrawal in polo, I think.
And I have withdrawn 7 times, each are more than 1 m xem, without transaction fee.
 

I gaurantee there was a 15 xem fee everytime

[luckygenough56]

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[BloodyRookie]

I have a question. Did poloniex.com get a stake from the Sustainability Fund or am I reading this transaction wrong?

Code:

    Block: 43618
    Type:multisig transaction Timestamp:2015-04-28 21:41:28
    Hash: a30aef15d5e8cc3780b6dc7cbbb4e79d5af48575550246d4d02a2e7a0daf8ace
    Sender: NCYP7E7S67LB4G4Y4RJWE7REFBZI4EXJ73MRKIWW
    Sender PK:719862cd7d0f4e875a6a0274c9a1738f38f40ad9944179006a54c34724c1274d
    Fee:6.000000
        Multisig:NDSUSTAAB2GWHBUFJXP7QQGYHBVEFWZESBUUWM4P
        Type:transfer transaction
        Recipient: NBZMQO7ZPBYNBDUR7F75MAKA2S3DHDCIFG775N3D
        Amount:2249828.000000 Inner fee:148.000000
        Message:
        Message type:encrypted
        Total multisig fees:24.000000
        Cosignatories
        NADMEHCFJD45GPTDL4HZP2LJLZVAZRLYWYPNEMLY
        NALICEXDMHEAVGSWHLSXDMUMCCHTBJLPKPI63IFY
        NCOSIGIMCITYNRE7XUR77OREOYFLPAILCNUYLTPD
    Total fee:172.000000
    Sig:96ad6dc671006e28e89ebc963051319872e8608ea41c376b22d9feca546c4a8a9721efd78aaecf74c6ce127593aea671716db06d07fc1653f14447b5fe530702

Poloniex is a late redeemer, so yes of course they get their stake too.

Btw. since you stated that we are harvesting with the stakes of other people who haven't been paid out so far:
Those stakes are located in special accounts that cannot harvest. So it is impossible for anyone to use those stake for creating new blocks/earning fees.

[kodtycoon]

I have a question. Did poloniex.com get a stake from the Sustainability Fund or am I reading this transaction wrong?

Code:

    Block: 43618
    Type:multisig transaction Timestamp:2015-04-28 21:41:28
    Hash: a30aef15d5e8cc3780b6dc7cbbb4e79d5af48575550246d4d02a2e7a0daf8ace
    Sender: NCYP7E7S67LB4G4Y4RJWE7REFBZI4EXJ73MRKIWW
    Sender PK:719862cd7d0f4e875a6a0274c9a1738f38f40ad9944179006a54c34724c1274d
    Fee:6.000000
        Multisig:NDSUSTAAB2GWHBUFJXP7QQGYHBVEFWZESBUUWM4P
        Type:transfer transaction
        Recipient: NBZMQO7ZPBYNBDUR7F75MAKA2S3DHDCIFG775N3D
        Amount:2249828.000000 Inner fee:148.000000
        Message:
        Message type:encrypted
        Total multisig fees:24.000000
        Cosignatories
        NADMEHCFJD45GPTDL4HZP2LJLZVAZRLYWYPNEMLY
        NALICEXDMHEAVGSWHLSXDMUMCCHTBJLPKPI63IFY
        NCOSIGIMCITYNRE7XUR77OREOYFLPAILCNUYLTPD
    Total fee:172.000000
    Sig:96ad6dc671006e28e89ebc963051319872e8608ea41c376b22d9feca546c4a8a9721efd78aaecf74c6ce127593aea671716db06d07fc1653f14447b5fe530702

Poloniex is a late redeemer, so yes of course they get their stake too.

Btw. since you stated that we are harvesting with the stakes of other people who haven't been paid out so far:
Those stakes are located in special accounts that cannot harvest. So it is impossible for anyone to use those stake for creating new blocks/earning fees.

you still have a testnet address in your sig...

[hyunsookmom]

Well I've given up on actually receiving my coins now. The price is a fraction of what I should of had the right to sell at...

[kodtycoon]

Well I've given up on actually receiving my coins now. The price is a fraction of what I should of had the right to sell at...

one of the signers was away for a few days.. nothing we could do about that. they will begin being sent out again today. apologies for the delay.

in all honesty though, with the white paper coming out very soon, it would probably be a bad idea to sell now as, even though it may not cause a massive increase, there will likely be some increase in price after its been released, so waiting till that comes out would likely be a better move than dumping as soon as you get your stake. that said, its your stake.

[tyz]

Fee calculation for NEM transactions is very different to other crypto coins. Can someone explain how to calculate fees in previous? Is there forumla pulished somewhere?

[kodtycoon]

Fee calculation for NEM transactions is very different to other crypto coins. Can someone explain how to calculate fees in previous? Is there forumla pulished somewhere?

its a progressive fee.. the higher the amount you are sending the higher the fee. i dont know if the formula is available. though it gets interesting once you try and send smaller amounts.. once you go below a certain threshold the fee starts to rise apposed to drop. eg:

amount to send ::: fee

10 ----- 7
9 ------ 6
8 ------ 5
7 ------ 5
6 ------ 6
5 ------ 7
4 ------ 8
3 ------ 9
2 ------10

or something like that.. its spam protection.

[ciappa]

keep on voting for NEM guys

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[tyz]

Sorry, but I haven't got it. Is amount to send in kilo like

10k XEM to send is 7 XEM fee ?
9k XEM to send it 6 XEM fee ?
and so on...

...

amount to send ::: fee

10 ----- 7
9 ------ 6
8 ------ 5
7 ------ 5
6 ------ 6
5 ------ 7
4 ------ 8
3 ------ 9
2 ------10

...

[BloodyRookie]

@tyz: no, not that easy. the fee is like kodtycoon mentioned for very small amounts, the starts to rise again for bigger amounts it goes into saturation at about 150 XEM when sending very high amounts:

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=plot+max%282%2C+99+*+arctan%28x%2F150000%29%29+%2C+8+%3C+x+%3C+1000000&dataset=&asynchronous=false&equal=Submit

[DenisZabar]

@tyz: no, not that easy. the fee is like kodtycoon mentioned for very small amounts, the starts to rise again for bigger amounts it goes into saturation at about 150 XEM when sending very high amounts:

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=plot+max%282%2C+99+*+arctan%28x%2F150000%29%29+%2C+8+%3C+x+%3C+1000000&dataset=&asynchronous=false&equal=Submit

I can confirm 147 fee for 1200000 XEM withdrawal from poloniex

[yshin365new]

My most favorate thing in NEM is logo.
It's very cool, and I think NEM logo is No. 1 among hundreds of crypto logos.
Whenever I see NEM logo, I feel like tattooing it on my shoulder.
And sometimes, I would like to play a guitar with a NEM guitar pick, even though I am not a guitar player.
The shape of NEM logo is exactly alike guitar pick.
It's not bs to say "NEM logo is born for a guitar pick."  
So, I think to myself like a child "How about making a NEM guitar pick as a souvenir for NEM ad.?"
When NEM achieve a success, NEM team will make NEM coin for initial stake holders.
I think colorized & NEM logo shaped (guitar pick shaped) coin would be much better than general circle shaped coin.
Nowadays, various shaped (commemorative) coins are being issued in several countries.

Rectangular shape   http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cook-Islands-2009-Johannes-Vermeer-Pearl-5-Dollars-Colour-Silver-Coin-Proof-/191567143138?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c9a4aa0e2

Star shape   http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-2013-Cook-Is-Large-Color-Silver-Star-shape-3D-5-Merry-Christmas-Angel-Gift-/231068308654?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35ccbe94ae

Flower shape http://www.ebay.com/itm/2013-Canada-Lunar-Year-Of-The-Snake-Flower-Shaped-1oz-Silver-Coin-BOX-COA-/121507883388?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c4a6f297c

heart shape   http://www.ebay.com/itm/Australia-2015-Eternal-Love-5-Coloured-Silver-Proof-Heart-Shaped-Coin-/261706454920?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item3ceeeb9788

guitar shape http://www.ebay.com/itm/2004-Somalia-color-1-Guitar-Stars-and-Stripes-USA-/371267128848?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item56713ece10

car shape   http://www.ebay.com/itm/Unusual-2010-Somalia-color-1-Car-shaped-Porsche-/231524359373?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35e7ed5ccd

[kelsey]

when ever i've decided to redeem my stake, never been able to get the client installed, so always give up on this complete shitcoin.

[jabo38]

My most favorate thing in NEM is logo.
It's very cool, and I think NEM logo is No. 1 among hundreds of crypto logos.
Whenever I see NEM logo, I feel like tattooing it on my shoulder.
And sometimes, I would like to play a guitar with a NEM guitar pick, even though I am not a guitar player.
The shape of NEM logo is exactly alike guitar pick.
It's not bs to say "NEM logo is born for a guitar pick."  
So, I think to myself like a child "How about making a NEM guitar pick as a souvenir for NEM ad.?"
When NEM achieve a success, NEM team will make NEM coin for initial stake holders.
I think colorized & NEM logo shaped (guitar pick shaped) coin would be much better than general circle shaped coin.
Nowadays, various shaped (commemorative) coins are being issued in several countries.

Rectangular shape   http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cook-Islands-2009-Johannes-Vermeer-Pearl-5-Dollars-Colour-Silver-Coin-Proof-/191567143138?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c9a4aa0e2

Star shape   http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-2013-Cook-Is-Large-Color-Silver-Star-shape-3D-5-Merry-Christmas-Angel-Gift-/231068308654?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35ccbe94ae

Flower shape http://www.ebay.com/itm/2013-Canada-Lunar-Year-Of-The-Snake-Flower-Shaped-1oz-Silver-Coin-BOX-COA-/121507883388?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c4a6f297c

heart shape   http://www.ebay.com/itm/Australia-2015-Eternal-Love-5-Coloured-Silver-Proof-Heart-Shaped-Coin-/261706454920?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item3ceeeb9788

guitar shape http://www.ebay.com/itm/Somalia-2004-Guitar-shaped-Coin-Guitarist-Gift-Stars-Stripes-Gibson-Flying-V-/360548369161?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item53f25b8309

car shape   http://www.ebay.com/itm/Unusual-2010-Somalia-color-1-Car-shaped-Porsche-/231524359373?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35e7ed5ccd

It is very much like a guitar pick and my gf said one time she wanted a NEM guitar pic. 

It also looks really good in the icon tray of Windows.  Like it was made for that.

And the coin idea.... I hadn't every thought about a coin the shape of NEM, but that would actually be quite awesome. 

[jabo38]

we need a new logo on that Panda

[jadedjack]

This is really well done. Thanks for sharing it

[bytezero]

I don't understand why, every now and then, collective hysteria explodes in this discussion.

It's all about communication. The NEM-team should be better at this. There has to be one source (for example the twitter-account) where every update needs to be posted.
Every day some update, if there is a little one. If the team delivered 22 stakes there needs to be more than a simple line in the troll-box at the NEM-forum by makoto.
If you want that people stay with NEM, let them know what's happening - every day, every little update that might be interesting for some of us. For this I would recommend Twitter / Facebook.
That's not that hard to realize with a team of 70. It's all about communication and coordination!

Here is the Twitter.  https://twitter.com/NEMofficial

The biggest and most important updates are listed on the blog.  Twitter, Facebook, BTT, and the Forum usually also share those posts too. 

In the last week, Makoto went to a conference to represent and speak about NEM.

Devs were busy working on a white paper. 

A new/updated NEM video was released and posted on the website and overview. 

NEM community rallied to take 2nd place in a vote for Liberland, and i still sneaking up on BTC.

Some new stakes were released.

The week before there were a couple of auctions to pay for the NEM mobile app for Android and iPhone.  There were other things but like a new paper wallet and vanity generator being released.  One Nemester built a new block explorer.  http://blockexplore.in/  (Still in development but already has some cool features in it)  And more things but they slip my mind.   

And there are more things too that are being worked on too behind the scenes, and when those projects are finished or close to being finished they will be announced. 

Until then, please know everybody is busy. 

Great. It will be amazing if we really can do this!