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January 21, 2019, 03:56:14 PM |
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Based on this calculator I should have made 20k XEMs Or did I misunderstood everything?! Think it's not going to work for "expected harvested XEMs".
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jkoil
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January 21, 2019, 06:53:04 PM |
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My first comment was against nutildah's "to get more stakes".
- "... some extra profiles to get some activity to the new coin - not getting stakes."
The term sockpuppet I saw first time, when the NEM stake claming started. And because there is not proven that Utopianfuture has used sockpuppets to claim stakes, then I think that he had no 'sockpuppets, just extra 'profiles'.
Don't know why you're so adamant about rewriting history. From gentlemand's link: I had a few sockpuppet accounts but I have no intention of cashing out any of them. No intention of "cashing out" what exactly? DOGE? He was obviously hoarding NEMstakes. And I don't give a shit any more but it irks me when people try to claim that things that were, weren't, or vice-versa. A sockpuppet is an extra profile. What you're doing is saying a square isn't a rectangle. What do you mean by "rewriting history" ? You are trying to rewrite it to please your own assumptions. If something is not proven, then it is not so. Do you know what "Innocent until proven guilty" means ? 1. UtopianFuture admitted to having sockpuppet accounts 2. He admitted using those to claim NEM stakes. These are facts. Its proven. The accused admitted it. Case closed. https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=649852.0Strange that I have not seen that thread ... (a lot of broken links there...) maybe coz on that day I was quite busy in NEM thread or maybe the author (CfA) was the reason to skip that  The main post that I am referring is this https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=426303.msg7279428#msg7279428and yes, there utopianfuture admits that he had made "few sockpuppet accounts" but also to have " no intention of cashing out any of them" As an active project manager he could have got enough stakes from the DevFund's. So there has been no reason to claim stakes in behind the curtains. You are trying to use logic for your proof in the similar way as A A -> B ------------ B but unfortunately you fail. Your attempt is like trying to prove that 1 + 1 = 2, but you are saying "0.5 + 0.5 ... ermh let's round it ... 1 + 1 is ... yes, it equals 2. Proved. Case closed"  Where is the utopianfuture's statement, where he writes (which would make possible to use the verb 'admit') that he was trying to claim stakes with some extra profiles ?
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jelin1984
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January 21, 2019, 06:59:09 PM |
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January 21, 2019, 08:01:57 PM |
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too bad  "NEM.io Foundation and NEM China Chapter never announced cooperation with WeChat or "WeChat wallet". " well, i think that if there was a real parternship xem's price will be much higher than now...
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nutildah
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January 22, 2019, 02:45:03 AM Last edit: January 22, 2019, 04:00:39 AM by nutildah |
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My first comment was against nutildah's "to get more stakes".
- "... some extra profiles to get some activity to the new coin - not getting stakes."
The term sockpuppet I saw first time, when the NEM stake claming started. And because there is not proven that Utopianfuture has used sockpuppets to claim stakes, then I think that he had no 'sockpuppets, just extra 'profiles'.
Don't know why you're so adamant about rewriting history. From gentlemand's link: I had a few sockpuppet accounts but I have no intention of cashing out any of them. No intention of "cashing out" what exactly? DOGE? He was obviously hoarding NEMstakes. And I don't give a shit any more but it irks me when people try to claim that things that were, weren't, or vice-versa. A sockpuppet is an extra profile. What you're doing is saying a square isn't a rectangle. What do you mean by "rewriting history" ? You are trying to rewrite it to please your own assumptions. If something is not proven, then it is not so. Do you know what "Innocent until proven guilty" means ? 1. UtopianFuture admitted to having sockpuppet accounts 2. He admitted using those to claim NEM stakes. These are facts. Its proven. The accused admitted it. Case closed. https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=649852.0Strange that I have not seen that thread ... (a lot of broken links there...) maybe coz on that day I was quite busy in NEM thread or maybe the author (CfA) was the reason to skip that  The main post that I am referring is this https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=426303.msg7279428#msg7279428and yes, there utopianfuture admits that he had made "few sockpuppet accounts" but also to have " no intention of cashing out any of them" As an active project manager he could have got enough stakes from the DevFund's. So there has been no reason to claim stakes in behind the curtains. You are trying to use logic for your proof in the similar way as A A -> B ------------ B but unfortunately you fail. Your attempt is like trying to prove that 1 + 1 = 2, but you are saying "0.5 + 0.5 ... ermh let's round it ... 1 + 1 is ... yes, it equals 2. Proved. Case closed"  Where is the utopianfuture's statement, where he writes (which would make possible to use the verb 'admit') that he was trying to claim stakes with some extra profiles ? What's the matter with you? UF had extra accounts. He used those accounts to claim stakes. This goes against the entire premise of NEM being "fairly distributed," so when he got caught, he "retired" from NEM. Why else do you think he would step aside from his creation?? Please, stop insulting our intelligence.
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jkoil
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January 22, 2019, 06:35:05 AM Last edit: January 22, 2019, 05:47:36 PM by jkoil |
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My first comment was against nutildah's "to get more stakes".
- "... some extra profiles to get some activity to the new coin - not getting stakes."
The term sockpuppet I saw first time, when the NEM stake claming started. And because there is not proven that Utopianfuture has used sockpuppets to claim stakes, then I think that he had no 'sockpuppets, just extra 'profiles'.
Don't know why you're so adamant about rewriting history. From gentlemand's link: I had a few sockpuppet accounts but I have no intention of cashing out any of them. No intention of "cashing out" what exactly? DOGE? He was obviously hoarding NEMstakes. And I don't give a shit any more but it irks me when people try to claim that things that were, weren't, or vice-versa. A sockpuppet is an extra profile. What you're doing is saying a square isn't a rectangle. What do you mean by "rewriting history" ? You are trying to rewrite it to please your own assumptions. If something is not proven, then it is not so. Do you know what "Innocent until proven guilty" means ? 1. UtopianFuture admitted to having sockpuppet accounts 2. He admitted using those to claim NEM stakes. These are facts. Its proven. The accused admitted it. Case closed. https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=649852.0Strange that I have not seen that thread ... (a lot of broken links there...) maybe coz on that day I was quite busy in NEM thread or maybe the author (CfA) was the reason to skip that  The main post that I am referring is this https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=426303.msg7279428#msg7279428and yes, there utopianfuture admits that he had made "few sockpuppet accounts" but also to have " no intention of cashing out any of them" As an active project manager he could have got enough stakes from the DevFund's. So there has been no reason to claim stakes in behind the curtains.You are trying to use logic for your proof in the similar way as A A -> B ------------ B but unfortunately you fail. Your attempt is like trying to prove that 1 + 1 = 2, but you are saying "0.5 + 0.5 ... ermh let's round it ... 1 + 1 is ... yes, it equals 2. Proved. Case closed"  Where is the utopianfuture's statement, where he writes (which would make possible to use the verb 'admit') that he was trying to claim stakes with some extra profiles ? What's the matter with you? UF had extra accounts. He used those accounts to claim stakes. This goes against the entire premise of NEM being "fairly distributed," so when he got caught, he "retired" from NEM. Why else do you think he would step aside from his creation?? Please, stop insulting our intelligence. "our intelligence"  If you cannot read and write logically, then you do not...
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Eadeqa
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January 23, 2019, 01:58:00 AM Last edit: January 23, 2019, 10:19:53 PM by Eadeqa |
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According to what he said, he was going through some financial hardships and had to pay for school. He also earned a degree if I remember correctly, so not all went to waste. At least NEM was helpful for him when it was needed the most, which I can say probably is the case with a lot of people here.
I can tell you I needed the money too for things like car repair, for example (among other things). Shit happens all the time. I just worked harder and longer hours. Looking back now, I don't really know why I wasn't selling even after I crossed well into millions. It turned out to be pure luck though, as just as I started selling, everything crashed within a month after that. I was just lucky to pick the right time -- it was not some genius plan. I sold all the nxt too but still have all the ardor. Haven't sold any, even though at their peak they were over $1.5 I think
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lemonandfriesonetwo
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January 23, 2019, 04:35:41 AM |
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I can tell you I needed the money too, like things like car repair, for example (among other things). Shit happens all the time. I just worked harder and longer hours. Looking back now, I don't really know why I wasn't selling even after I crossed well into millions. It turned out to be pure luck though, as just as I started selling, everything crashed within a month. It was pure luck though. -- not some genius plan.
I sold all the nxt too but still have all the ardor. Haven't sold any, even though at their peak they were over $1.5 I think
Goes to tell you how much many of us value the general fundamentals and tech behind crypto currency. Many could have been millionaires, yet they held on. They know where the future is. Patience, strong mentals, little sacrifices and some luck is needed in this space.
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EustaceBagge
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January 23, 2019, 07:48:52 AM |
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Goes to tell you how much many of us value the general fundamentals and tech behind crypto currency. Many could have been millionaires, yet they held on. They know where the future is. Patience, strong mentals, little sacrifices and some luck is needed in this space.
I wish I agreed with your assessment. I think many people did not sell because of greed, not belief in the tech. I know that some of my bags were not sold because of it. I hope I get the chance to rectify my mistake. Also, can no one in this group share any good resource on Nem?
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lemonandfriesonetwo
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January 23, 2019, 04:47:13 PM |
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Goes to tell you how much many of us value the general fundamentals and tech behind crypto currency. Many could have been millionaires, yet they held on. They know where the future is. Patience, strong mentals, little sacrifices and some luck is needed in this space.
I wish I agreed with your assessment. I think many people did not sell because of greed, not belief in the tech. I know that some of my bags were not sold because of it. I hope I get the chance to rectify my mistake. Also, can no one in this group share any good resource on Nem? Let's call it a mixture of both for many of us. While it would have been nice to have a life completely funded with fiat by now; further analysis of trends, global markets, government & corporate policy, etc points to a stagnation of fiat in the future. And no I will not post any resources, some of us have done independent research going for almost 10+ years since the last global recession. If predictions are correct (many of which have become correct over the past years), the future points towards cryptocurrency and blockchain adoption at a level not seen before. Traditional institutions are being forced to start adopting this new tech in order to battle corruption, one example. Yes, many have enjoyed the current status of fiat by cashing out from crypto. But the future is not in paper money, it's in unique digital identifiers that cannot be replicated unless there is an agreeing consensus in the blockchain used. Also don't forget in a future world with 5G connectivity, blockchain technology is very much needed for 5G to work as intended. Don't get desperate, just let time decide if cryptocurrencies and blockchain will have a future.
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jkoil
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January 24, 2019, 08:13:00 AM |
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... Yes, many have enjoyed the current status of fiat by cashing out from crypto. But the future is not in paper money, it's in unique digital identifiers that cannot be replicated unless there is an agreeing consensus in the blockchain used.
Also don't forget in a future world with 5G connectivity, blockchain technology is very much needed for 5G to work as intended.
Don't get desperate, just let time decide if cryptocurrencies and blockchain will have a future.
We can do small things to help the progress or the "hype" / trend. We are the time I guess you do not believe that all the cryptocurrencies have equal chances in the future. Will you bet for or against some cryptocurrencies ?
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January 24, 2019, 12:29:46 PM |
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Goes to tell you how much many of us value the general fundamentals and tech behind crypto currency. Many could have been millionaires, yet they held on. They know where the future is. Patience, strong mentals, little sacrifices and some luck is needed in this space.
I wish I agreed with your assessment. I think many people did not sell because of greed, not belief in the tech. I know that some of my bags were not sold because of it. I hope I get the chance to rectify my mistake. Also, can no one in this group share any good resource on Nem? I think it was a mixture of greed and belief in the tech and future long term outlook of NEM. There was a lot of shilling/pumping in the forums, social media, telegram etc, some people thought it would go to $5, $10 etc and some people got caught in the hype (while the shillers probably quietly sold). Some people may not have had an exit position (or did, but decided to not stick to it (which is gambling)). Either way, it's a lesson learned, and was the right decision at the time based on the knowledge at the time, so there shouldn't be regret as no one can easily predict the top or bottom. In the next bull run they won't make the same decisions again hopefully. In the meantime for anyone who regrets not selling, this is a good read: https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/7rvkua/how_i_handle_crypto_regret/ Particularly this part: "2. I can only compare myself to the other me who didn't get into cryptos at all. That's your baseline to compare to. There really is no other baseline. It's damaging and outright delusional to compare yourself to the "perfect you" that always bought at the exact bottom and sold at the exact top. That you does not exist. It's a damaging fantasy that always leads to you beating yourself up about not making the most optimal decision at each and every turn. Cryptos can quickly lose its fun if you think along those lines".
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jelin1984
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January 24, 2019, 12:36:11 PM |
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January 24, 2019, 05:07:14 PM |
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I guess you do not believe that all the cryptocurrencies have equal chances in the future. Will you bet for or against some cryptocurrencies ?
All I can say for myself is that I use certain cryptocurrencies in order to increase the amount I have of other cryptocurrencies. The ones I play the shorting game with are very obvious scams or most likely will not make the cut because of whatever "x" reason. In that sense, I am helping other coins by reinvesting profits from one coin to another coin which I see as having a future anchored in reality. Either way, it's a lesson learned, and was the right decision at the time based on the knowledge at the time, so there shouldn't be regret as no one can easily predict the top or bottom. In the next bull run they won't make the same decisions again hopefully.
This is a good way of thinking, this point of view is good for mental health.
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Xandan
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January 25, 2019, 08:07:28 AM |
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I downloaded nano wallet and is working fine. I have used this kind of wallet in past but before downloading it I had impression of downloading whole chain and syncing will make issue. That is not the case and now not only my Nem based tokens but also Nem itself can be stored and accessed from anywhere. This is great wallet and I appreciate for sharing it.
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magisterr
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January 25, 2019, 03:22:16 PM |
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What news here about insure NEM wallet with PAL insurance product? They announced partnership with PAL Network few month ago as I know, and now PAL Launched mainnet (around few weeks ago) and few products already. When NEM will insure funds with PAL? 
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January 25, 2019, 04:34:04 PM |
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What news here about insure NEM wallet with PAL insurance product? They announced partnership with PAL Network few month ago as I know, and now PAL Launched mainnet (around few weeks ago) and few products already. When NEM will insure funds with PAL?  This is most likely on a per user basis, whoever wants to insure their crypto can go ahead and use PAL. It's like buying insurance for your car, not everyone will do it but it is recommended.
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magisterr
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January 26, 2019, 04:17:42 PM |
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What news here about insure NEM wallet with PAL insurance product? They announced partnership with PAL Network few month ago as I know, and now PAL Launched mainnet (around few weeks ago) and few products already. When NEM will insure funds with PAL?  This is most likely on a per user basis, whoever wants to insure their crypto can go ahead and use PAL. It's like buying insurance for your car, not everyone will do it but it is recommended. For sure this will be for whoever wants only. But as I understand NEM will have this offer in their wallet as well or PAL Network will have this product in their wallet app?  This is news about their collaboration: https://twitter.com/NEMofficial/status/1070535805934944256
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January 28, 2019, 03:38:23 AM |
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