Scientific proof that God exists?

[Astargath]

While cause and effect is programming in nature...

... and programming means that there must be a programmer...

... cause and effect, itself, while stronger proof than any other science...

... is not scientific proof at all...

... even though it is seen throughout nature...

... and true random and spontaneity has never been seen...

... because cause and effect, and all science may not exist.

What might exist rather than science? God directing things to happen in such a way that they look like they are scientific... so that they look like cause and effect is happening.

Przemax has suggested something like this in at least one of his posts. And for all we really know, this may actually be the way that things happen. If it is, not only is evolution a hoax, but all science is a hoax, and God is really all there is.

At the moment, we are too spiritually or scientifically weak to know for a fact that this is NOT the way things really exist.

''While cause and effect is programming in nature...'' It's not, you are just using words for your benefit and then claiming that there must be a programmer lol. That's not how it works mate.

What might exist rather than science? If you don't know, then you don't know, argument from ignorance to say it was god.

[Przemax]

I just said you need to prove the bible is true. Let me put it easier for you, why don't you believe in other religions that are far different than yours?

Its you who have to define what is proof for me to able to adjust to you. There are various definitions of it. You could mean anything saying that.

Let me put it easier for you. You open the dictionary and pick your meaning of word proof, or evidence.

Unaffiliated christianity is not a religion per se. Having personal relationship with God is not a religion per se. If I would to pick a religion I would pick Greenleaf christian church. But why such a way not the other? I know a lot about every religion. They all seems to have wickedness in them mixed with the divine message, the Christ message is at least aware of wickedness of this world, and promise to solve it. How could I not believe that? If anyone believe in justice and truth its like automatic love with the message of the gospel.

I always loved the message of the Gospel, even as small child. I was decieved as you that it was all bs especially the Genesis that I was mocking. I was lucky enough to have a second look at the Bible when I had gained enough wisdom in life to know how the world is wicked and deceitful.

[Vod]

Its you who have to define what is proof for me to able to adjust to you. There are various definitions of it. You could mean anything saying that.

Actually, you are the one making foolish statements.  You need to define what your proof is so we can call you on it.

[Przemax]

Its you who have to define what is proof for me to able to adjust to you. There are various definitions of it. You could mean anything saying that.

Actually, you are the one making foolish statements.  You need to define what your proof is so we can call you on it.

I had not know you are the alt account of Astargath, but its good to know in the future.

[Vod]

Its you who have to define what is proof for me to able to adjust to you. There are various definitions of it. You could mean anything saying that.

Actually, you are the one making foolish statements.  You need to define what your proof is so we can call you on it.

I had not know you are the alt account of Astargath, but its good to know in the future.

I had not know you are the alt account of Badecker, but its good to know in the future.

[escapefrom3dom]

What do you think?
Please share your opinion about this article.

1st of all u should define god before asking such question.

either this ridiculous personified christian-jewish god from a collection of jewish tales, or u're talking about a more reasonable representation like pantheism.

[BADecker]

While cause and effect is programming in nature...

... and programming means that there must be a programmer...

... cause and effect, itself, while stronger proof than any other science...

... is not scientific proof at all...

... even though it is seen throughout nature...

... and true random and spontaneity has never been seen...

... because cause and effect, and all science may not exist.

What might exist rather than science? God directing things to happen in such a way that they look like they are scientific... so that they look like cause and effect is happening.

Przemax has suggested something like this in at least one of his posts. And for all we really know, this may actually be the way that things happen. If it is, not only is evolution a hoax, but all science is a hoax, and God is really all there is.

At the moment, we are too spiritually or scientifically weak to know for a fact that this is NOT the way things really exist.

''While cause and effect is programming in nature...'' It's not, you are just using words for your benefit and then claiming that there must be a programmer lol. That's not how it works mate.

What might exist rather than science? If you don't know, then you don't know, argument from ignorance to say it was god.

Well, explain it better, then. Cause and effect is set up just like a programming system in a computer, except that C&E is far more detailed, and fits all of nature. Ignoring the idea of a programmer for C&E is foolish, especially for people who are into scientific examination.

So, what is your answer? Big bang doesn't have any suggestions for loads of things that we see in nature, and that are extremely more complex than simple BB. To my knowledge, there isn't anything else that even comes close except a very great, intelligent, powerful being.

In the Star Trek 2009 movie, Spock repeated a long-cherished, scientific truth at about 1 hour 9 minutes into the movie, "If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

The point? BB, by not taking into account multitudes of things that would have to exist to make BB possible, is impossible in reality. Since C&E show that God is likely way above improbability, not only is it the remaining "thing" like Spock said, but God is the blatantly, and forwardly truth.

Do you have any other suggestions? Or are you going to say that we simply don't know?

[Vod]

So, what is your answer? Big bang doesn't have any suggestions for loads of things that we see in nature, and that are extremely more complex than simple BB. To my knowledge, there isn't anything else that even comes close except a very great, intelligent, powerful being.

Yes, we do have the Big Bang Theory.

Does your fairy tale have any theories, or just your personal flawed knowledge?

[BADecker]

So, what is your answer? Big bang doesn't have any suggestions for loads of things that we see in nature, and that are extremely more complex than simple BB. To my knowledge, there isn't anything else that even comes close except a very great, intelligent, powerful being.

Yes, we do have the Big Bang Theory.

Does your fairy tale have any theories, or just your personal flawed knowledge?

Since you don't know anything about my fairy tale(s), and since they are not part of this topic, why do you keep bringing the thought up?

Big bang theory will never be provable. Because of this, it should not even be suggested to be a theory.

[Vod]

Since you don't know anything about my fairy tale(s), and since they are not part of this topic, why do you keep bringing the thought up?

At least you admit you believe in fairy tales.

Without your brainwashed belief in childhood stories, this thread would not keep going.

[BADecker]

Since you don't know anything about my fairy tale(s), and since they are not part of this topic, why do you keep bringing the thought up?

At least you admit you believe in fairy tales.

Without your brainwashed belief in childhood stories, this thread would not keep going.

To say you don't believe in fairy tales is to suggest that they don't exist. Obviously you believe in science fiction... big band for example. It wouldn't be wrong to believe that the theory exists, because we all know they do. But to believe big bang has any relevance regarding reality, is believing in science fiction.

[Vod]

To say you don't believe in fairy tales is to suggest that they don't exist. Obviously you believe in science fiction

Correct,  Fairy tales, like science fiction exist, but they are not based on reality.

[BADecker]

To say you don't believe in fairy tales is to suggest that they don't exist. Obviously you believe in science fiction

Correct,  Fairy tales, like science fiction exist, but they are not based on reality.

So, can you even get on topic and show the proof for or against the existence of God? Or do you simply like to blab a lot?

[Vod]

So, can you even get on topic and show the proof for or against the existence of God? Or do you simply like to blab a lot?

After 400 pages, there has been no proof than any god exists. 

I do like to help you overcome your brainwashing though.

[Philopolymath]

Walter Russell defined God as the CAUSE /Creator of this SEEMING Universe..
Just because Vod is an arrogant idiot both too stupid and shallow to investigate.
His IGNORANT OPINION has no relation to the fact that there IS a valid scientific explanation of the SEEMING existence of MATTER and it's CREATION.
His OPINION is NOT a scientific reality.
Russell's RESULTS are a validation of his treatise..Which is exactly meets the criteria of scientific proof.
And It HAS BEEN empirically tested by far greater men..(TESLA for one) then the same ignorant commentator .

[Philopolymath]

And there you have it..
But stay stupid and arrogant vod..that way you will always be my bitch...

[BADecker]

So, can you even get on topic and show the proof for or against the existence of God? Or do you simply like to blab a lot?

After 400 pages, there has been no proof than any god exists.  

I do like to help you overcome your brainwashing though.

Simply speaking, entropy shows that there was a beginning to the universe, and that complexity has been declining ever since.

Complexity as it still exists, after thousands of years of decline, shows that whatever caused the universe had complexity in it.

Cause and effect in all things shows us that the complexity of whatever started the universe was complex beyond any hint of intelligence that we have... and way beyond even determining how intelligent that intelligence was. In addition, C&E shows us that everything was programmed to happen as it has, and is happening.

This all proves that God did it. Whatever God is, the word "God" is the best word we have to express where the universe came from, even though our definitions of the word "God" are way too weak to express the magnitude of what God is.

[valucash]

I really doubt there is any scientific proof to describe god existence.

You are a proof that God exist, the human body is too complex to be an accident of nature.

[Vod]

Simply speaking, entropy shows that there was a beginning to the universe, and that complexity has been declining ever since.

Exactly.  Entropy helps proves evolution - the change of the complexity.

No where does it say evolution always makes something more complex.

[Przemax]

Simply speaking, entropy shows that there was a beginning to the universe, and that complexity has been declining ever since.

Exactly.  Entropy helps proves evolution - the change of the complexity.

No where does it say evolution always makes something more complex.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_biological_complexity