[XMR] Monero Speculation

[Hueristic]

So do you guys think this will kill off BCH?

http://www.trustnodes.com/2017/09/19/rumors-china-block-bitcoin-nodes-will-criminalize-crypto-mining

[cryptimus prime]

So do you guys think this will kill off BCH?

http://www.trustnodes.com/2017/09/19/rumors-china-block-bitcoin-nodes-will-criminalize-crypto-mining

I read some other rumours by McAfee who has spoken with Jihan Wu: https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/john-mcafee-china-bitcoin-ban-will-not-extend-mining/

Honestly I guess it would not be that bad if China would lose influence on crypto and BCH would disappear. I can imagine worse things.
But I think in the end China will stay in the crypto business.

[Hueristic]

So do you guys think this will kill off BCH?

http://www.trustnodes.com/2017/09/19/rumors-china-block-bitcoin-nodes-will-criminalize-crypto-mining

I read some other rumours by McAfee who has spoken with Jihan Wu: https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/john-mcafee-china-bitcoin-ban-will-not-extend-mining/

Honestly I guess it would not be that bad if China would lose influence on crypto and BCH would disappear. I can imagine worse things.
But I think in the end China will stay in the crypto business.

So if I were the type to be a bit paranoid I would go about 51% ing BTC how? Hmm, nah. china would never do such a thing with all that un-seized mining equipment and all those Exchange executives that cannot leave the country. LOL, this space is never boring.

[aerbax]

Is it too soon to start speculation on this??  "This is a major coup, as these are merchants who currently do not accept any type of cryptocurrency. Their target demographic is extremely broad, but largely consists of younger people who are smartphone-entrenched, but aren't necessarily technical."

So on one hand you can say merchants like PayPal or Square.  But if you keep thinking about younger audiences perhaps something like Tinder or Snapchat would make sense. 

IMO, Pornhub.

They would certainly want to offer their users privacy.  And their users would want it.

[elrippos friend]

I say 0,06125 by December 18.2017 

[KiXiNiT]

I say 0,06125 by December 18.2017 

Pfft, you gotta be a bit more ridiculous with your speculation like people in this thread.

Like 0.07 by the end of september (10 days!)

[primer-]

Globee proposal leaked on irc, #monero-pools:

<dr-mike> Dr. Mike Maltas Globee 'secret' proposal details are now here :  https://expirebox.com/download/6b629792384ed9ddd492e3c6cc40ed99.html

[TheKubizz]

Globee proposal leaked on irc, #monero-pools:

<dr-mike> Dr. Mike Maltas Globee 'secret' proposal details are now here :  https://expirebox.com/download/6b629792384ed9ddd492e3c6cc40ed99.html

Is there a way to read it online? Not by downloading unknown file?

[garytheasshole]

Globee proposal leaked on irc, #monero-pools:

<dr-mike> Dr. Mike Maltas Globee 'secret' proposal details are now here :  https://expirebox.com/download/6b629792384ed9ddd492e3c6cc40ed99.html

Is there a way to read it online? Not by downloading unknown file?

Smart guy! https://4html.net/ViewerPDF/#/source/Project Evergreen Proposal for Monero.pdf

[Billy Bunter]

Globee proposal leaked on irc, #monero-pools:

<dr-mike> Dr. Mike Maltas Globee 'secret' proposal details are now here :  https://expirebox.com/download/6b629792384ed9ddd492e3c6cc40ed99.html

Is there a way to read it online? Not by downloading unknown file?

Smart guy! https://4html.net/ViewerPDF/#/source/Project Evergreen Proposal for Monero.pdf

This is why we can't have nice things.

[primer-]

Globee proposal leaked on irc, #monero-pools:

<dr-mike> Dr. Mike Maltas Globee 'secret' proposal details are now here :  https://expirebox.com/download/6b629792384ed9ddd492e3c6cc40ed99.html

Fluffy shills have been reporting the file so it has been deleted. Here's another link : https://my.mixtape.moe/aulury.pdf

[cryptimus prime]

Hmm how could it be "leaked" if Fluffy himself offered to tell more about it for those closer interested in it?
I think it does not matter any more, we are near 60% funding in not even 2 days.

[generalizethis]

Globee proposal leaked on irc, #monero-pools:

<dr-mike> Dr. Mike Maltas Globee 'secret' proposal details are now here :  https://expirebox.com/download/6b629792384ed9ddd492e3c6cc40ed99.html

Fluffy shills have been reporting the file so it has been deleted. Here's another link : https://my.mixtape.moe/aulury.pdf

I'm all for this guy learning about Monero: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8eL_DB-xBo

[Billy Bunter]

Hmm how could it be "leaked" if Fluffy himself offered to tell more about it for those closer interested in it?
I think it does not matter any more, we are near 60% funding in not even 2 days.

It may well matter, we just don't know yet.

Fuck Primer, by the way.

[Nathan047]

Fluffy said that some items offered by the merchants would only be purchasable with XMR.

Yes, but these tend to be drugs and other illegal products/services. Things I tend to avoid and things that also harm Monero’s reputation.

Not to say that Monero doesn’t have legitimate uses, but most all of them that are legal and ethical will probably accept Bitcoin too.

[KeyJockey]

So, wait... is this "leaked" document intended to HARM this project somehow?

If it's legit (seems possible to me) it looks great, to me: what's the problem? Why did that have to be "leaked" vs just part of the project explainer?

TL;DR basically to me this looks like it's a project pitch from a marketing and online promotion company specializing in the music industry, i.e. doing stuff like rock bands website, their merchandise and promo sales stuff etc.  They're proposing to develop an easy to use, modular, plug-in type shopping-cart software utilizing MONERO as the exclusive payment choice for crypto currency (not clear if it'll also have Visa/MC legacy payment option etc, too... but seems like that'd be required realistically if it's gonna be accepted)

The pitch is priced in BTC, oddly (not Monero LOL) but the values for the project assuming $4K/BTC now are about correct for Fluffy's FFS funding numbers.

Seems to me this'd be *great* if they can pull it off.  The music business and online merchandising for bands, etc is indeed a large market, not currently all that tech savvy (think of Wayne & Garth, LOL) but still quite "plugged-in" online, and moreover it's not the usual "dark market" drugs porn criminal shit, etc, that XMR is faulted for so often.

Basically, seems to me that getting a strong toe-hold in a market niche like this -- that can then be expanded to e-commerce overall -- would be fantasic, IMHO.

Just don't grok why the document was "leaked" as if it's something detrimental to Fluffy's proposal, at all.  Odd.

[Billy Bunter]

Fluffy said that some items offered by the merchants would only be purchasable with XMR.

Yes, but these tend to be drugs and other illegal products/services. Things I tend to avoid and things that also harm Monero’s reputation.

Not to say that Monero doesn’t have legitimate uses, but most all of them that are legal and ethical will probably accept Bitcoin too.

These merchants aren't drug dealers, for heaven's sake. That's the point. They're legit merchants of anything and everything.

Monero has as many legit uses as any currency, including Bitcoin.

[cryptimus prime]

Just don't grok why the document was "leaked" as if it's something detrimental to Fluffy's proposal, at all.  Odd.

Its because we have a lot of drama queens in crypto space. 

[Hueristic]

Hmm how could it be "leaked" if Fluffy himself offered to tell more about it for those closer interested in it?
I think it does not matter any more, we are near 60% funding in not even 2 days.

It may well matter, we just don't know yet.

Fuck Primer, by the way.

<Hueristic> .primer
<monerobux> The point is not how much i made, point is fluffy did this on purpose, more than 10 people were in on it. His commit access needs to be revoked asap!

So, wait... is this "leaked" document intended to HARM this project somehow?

If it's legit (seems possible to me) it looks great, to me: what's the problem? Why did that have to be "leaked" vs just part of the project explainer?

TL;DR basically to me this looks like it's a project pitch from a marketing and online promotion company specializing in the music industry, i.e. doing stuff like rock bands website, their merchandise and promo sales stuff etc.  ..

I would be interested to see what the sales numbers on those sites and would like to see the ROI on this deal.

AFA as getting the word out there it is a step in the right direction, I only wish there were more currently relevant bands on there as opposed to the ones there now that really don't have the 20 something crowd. Those bands have more like the 40+ something crowd. UFC is nice though, does anyone know how to find out that sites yearly revenue? I'm going to step out on a limb here and say Slayer and Motorhead are not living off the income from their online merchandise sales.

I also don't see why this has to be kept secret as I'm not thinking their is going to be a mad ruck to throw 220 BTC at this deal from many other coins. Maybe ETH as they have money to blow but since they are not a direct competitor only Dash maybe would try to grab that deal. And I have to emphasize the word maybe.

Why does it say "Select Client list" who made that list? what is the entire list Evergreen has at their disposal?

Anyway how much of the Dev fund is going into this? Also where can we check on the Dev funds accounting? Who actually hold the keys to that fund? It seems that information should be prominently displayed on the Main sites page.

I really like this:

Code:

Collaborate with artist(s) merchandising company to integrate Globee into the artist(s) existing Shopify store.  [b]In the 
event that this isn’t possible[/b], we will collaborate with the artist(s) merchandising company to design and develop a 
mobile optimized, Monero exclusive, stand-alone online store, and integrate the Globee for payment processing. 

But the bolded concerns me.

And I missed the this in my first skim of the proposal.

Work closely with G&M to pursue relationships with one or more mutually agreed upon artist(s) that will be[size=120pt] allow us to
create official[/size], stand-alone online store(s) where Monero is the exclusive method of payment.  Initial artist targets
include: 
Iron Maiden, Ghost, Slayer, Motley Crue, Mariah Carey, Motorhead, Wiz Khalifa, Lil Wayne, and Five
Finger Death Punch
.

[Billy Bunter]

Hmm how could it be "leaked" if Fluffy himself offered to tell more about it for those closer interested in it?
I think it does not matter any more, we are near 60% funding in not even 2 days.

It may well matter, we just don't know yet.

Fuck Primer, by the way.

<Hueristic> .primer
<monerobux> The point is not how much i made, point is fluffy did this on purpose, more than 10 people were in on it. His commit access needs to be revoked asap!

So, wait... is this "leaked" document intended to HARM this project somehow?

If it's legit (seems possible to me) it looks great, to me: what's the problem? Why did that have to be "leaked" vs just part of the project explainer?

TL;DR basically to me this looks like it's a project pitch from a marketing and online promotion company specializing in the music industry, i.e. doing stuff like rock bands website, their merchandise and promo sales stuff etc.  ..

I would be interested to see what the sales numbers on those sites and would like to see the ROI on this deal.

AFA as getting the word out there it is a step in the right direction, I only wish there were more currently relevant bands on there as opposed to the ones there now that really don't have the 20 something crowd. Those bands have more like the 40+ something crowd. UFC is nice though, does anyone know how to find out that sites yearly revenue? I'm going to step out on a limb here and say Slayer and Motorhead are not living off the income from their online merchandise sales.

I also don't see why this has to be kept secret as I'm not thinking their is going to be a mad ruck to throw 220 BTC at this deal from many other coins. Maybe ETH as they have money to blow but since they are not a direct competitor only Dash maybe would try to grab that deal. And I have to emphasize the word maybe.

Why does it say "Select Client list" who made that list? what is the entire list Evergreen has at their disposal?

Anyway how much of the Dev fund is going into this? Also where can we check on the Dev funds accounting? Who actually hold the keys to that fund? It seems that information should be prominently displayed on the Main sites page.

I really like this:

Code:

Collaborate with artist(s) merchandising company to integrate Globee into the artist(s) existing Shopify store.  [b]In the 
event that this isn’t possible[/b], we will collaborate with the artist(s) merchandising company to design and develop a 
mobile optimized, Monero exclusive, stand-alone online store, and integrate the Globee for payment processing. 

But the bolded concerns me.

And I missed the this in my first skim of the proposal.

Work closely with G&M to pursue relationships with one or more mutually agreed upon artist(s) that will be[size=120pt] allow us to
create official[/size], stand-alone online store(s) where Monero is the exclusive method of payment.  Initial artist targets
include:  
Iron Maiden, Ghost, Slayer, Motley Crue, Mariah Carey, Motorhead, Wiz Khalifa, Lil Wayne, and Five
Finger Death Punch
.

None of the Dev fund is going into this. This is funded by an entirely separate FFS proposal - it's not taking money away from something else. That said, if it's profitable, any profits returned will be going into the general Dev fund.

I think the big opportunity here is further integration into the rest of the Shopify platform - or at least more of it. That's a huge win for Monero.

My impression is that FP shared this RFP with some people who wanted more information. One of them leaked it. It's not terrible, but it's not necessarily helpful. It doesn't reflect well on FP, though it's not his fault. To the extent that this could be a game-changer for Monero, any kind of leak until it's in place and properly integrated is unhelpful.