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[mrcuzamano]

To recap:

--Site currently has absolutely no players' rewards/loyalty program, something that every single other poker site has.
--Site has little to no traffic for ring games.
--Site has consistently slashed GTDs for tourneys that still fail to run due to a lack of registrants.
--Management has failed to deliver clients for the different OS's promised over 1.5 years ago.
--Support has failed to patch broken hand history logs despite constant complaints for months.
--Repeatedly pointing out these shortcomings in lobbychat will lead to either harassment from other players or chatbans.

On a side note, the current strategy seems focused around trying to depict rakeback % as a reward for krill.  This is hilariously LOL because anyone can sign up with a variety of other BTC-facing sites and receive 20-30% rakeback from the start, instead of having to dump 50+coins of rake to achieve similar rakeback on SwC.

The only thing management has proven to be exceptional at is taking the goodwill garnered by the previous iteration of SwC and driving it to the ground, and making promises that it cannot/doesn't intend to deliver on.

- They still have a weekly leaderboard for people who pay rake and support the site.
- What bitcoin only site has more traffic? WPN accepts your bitcoins, but see what sort of runaround they give you when you want to take it out in bitcoin.
-Are they supposed to lose money because you want big gtds?
-I agree, they need to get on top of fixing the problems with the client.
--Sitting in chat and blowing up about the features because you're tilted should not only get you a temp chat ban, but it should have been done much sooner.

"On a side note, the current strategy seems focused around trying to depict rakeback % as a reward for krill.  This is hilariously LOL because anyone can sign up with a variety of other BTC-facing sites and receive 20-30% rakeback from the start, instead of having to dump 50+coins of rake to achieve similar rakeback on SwC."

This isn't misleading at all right? because those sites don't charge 3x+ the rake seals does to begin with? They also have a 50% table starter rakeback for 3 handed or less.

I agree that the way they cut the krillrolls was terrible and I don't know what mangment was thinking when they did that.

I also think people who bought krill accounts and never play on the site other than krillrolls and bleed money off the site don't deserve a lifetime of juicy freerolls, they should be revamped to reward the players who are actually loyal to the site and still play here.

That being said, if you show me a better place to gamble that pays their customers promptly, dont give you a runaround when you want to take out your own money with the same ease that they took it, I'll be right behind you.

[YepImNaked]

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Come hang out and let's gamble!

[IrregardlessSWC]

Giving away over .1 BTC on stream today at 3PM EST.  www.twitch.tv/yepimnaked

Come hang out and let's gamble!

Crap, just saw this and now you are offline
Congrats to whoever won!  Nice give-away there

[YepImNaked]

Giving away over .1 BTC on stream today at 3PM EST.  www.twitch.tv/yepimnaked

Come hang out and let's gamble!

Crap, just saw this and now you are offline
Congrats to whoever won!  Nice give-away there

Sorry you missed it!  We had a really fun group on there today, and gave away a bunch of chips to three different viewers.

[marlais]

A lot of players have been complaining that in the tweet where SWC stated that the rake had been lowered, they neglected to mention that they actually increased the rake on tournaments. Has anyone heard anything about tournament rake increases or by how much it's been increased?

[mrcuzamano]

A lot of players have been complaining that in the tweet where SWC stated that the rake had been lowered, they neglected to mention that they actually increased the rake on tournaments. Has anyone heard anything about tournament rake increases or by how much it's been increased?

it looks like it was increased by less than 2%. I don't like how they went about it and they should have made an announcement about it for sure.
it's still lower than any other site tho.

[marlais]

A lot of players have been complaining that in the tweet where SWC stated that the rake had been lowered, they neglected to mention that they actually increased the rake on tournaments. Has anyone heard anything about tournament rake increases or by how much it's been increased?

it looks like it was increased by less than 2%. I don't like how they went about it and they should have made an announcement about it for sure.
it's still lower than any other site tho.

I think it's a little more than 2%...5 chip tourneys went from 4.90 + 0.10 chips to 4.70 + 0.30 chips = 200% increase.

[TwitchySeal]

Is glitch still around? What are his thoughts on current situation if so?

[mrcuzamano]

A lot of players have been complaining that in the tweet where SWC stated that the rake had been lowered, they neglected to mention that they actually increased the rake on tournaments. Has anyone heard anything about tournament rake increases or by how much it's been increased?

it looks like it was increased by less than 2%. I don't like how they went about it and they should have made an announcement about it for sure.
it's still lower than any other site tho.

I think it's a little more than 2%...5 chip tourneys went from 4.90 + 0.10 chips to 4.70 + 0.30 chips = 200% increase.

I was talking about the overall increase.. as in it went from ~4% to ~6% or something along those line.

also I don't believe the mini smooth was ever 4.9+.1, and if it was that's incredibly low.

whats the rake increase from 71.5+3.5 to 70+5?

I don't think that anyone actually gives a shit about them raising the rake on tourneys, I think they're more upset about how managment went about it.(which I agree completely.)

The site needs to be more transparent and honest with their players, noone wants to bleed the site dry(except maybe ernmcracken and razzle dazzle) and if the site is losing money then they need to be upfront with the situation and the loyal customer base will support it.

I wish the site was better too, I also wished that the old site would have used the boatload of promo money they had in the beginning more wisely(like not having a 7kchip-100chip buyin tournament that runs at 7 am in the morning and always overlayed for at least 2 coins.)

I also wish that they came up with a better name in the beginning and had a more professional attitude( I mean seriously, how hard is it to come up with the name betcoin?) when I first joined seals I thought it was a prank or something, its probably a big reason why we don't get more serious players.

[mrcuzamano]

A lot of players have been complaining that in the tweet where SWC stated that the rake had been lowered, they neglected to mention that they actually increased the rake on tournaments. Has anyone heard anything about tournament rake increases or by how much it's been increased?

it looks like it was increased by less than 2%. I don't like how they went about it and they should have made an announcement about it for sure.
it's still lower than any other site tho.

I think it's a little more than 2%...5 chip tourneys went from 4.90 + 0.10 chips to 4.70 + 0.30 chips = 200% increase.

I've talked to a site representative and asked how much the rake was increased by- the 5 chip tourneys were never 4.9+.1, they were 4.75+.25 , the overall rake went up from 5% to 6% and a few tourneys were raised by 1.x % in error and will be fixed shortly.

please stop giving misleading information, I understand you have issues with the site, we all do... but it seems as if you're actively trying to criticize the site at any given opportunity even though a lot of your arguments have been disingenuous.

[darkmule]

Playing and not losing money in poker is long, frustrating journey.  There is pretty much no way to get better in poker other than playing hundreds of thousands of hands and developing the logic and intuition for the game through a heuristic approach.  Intelligence and math--without experience--will not be enough to make you a winning player.

Also, by pure mathematics, the average poker player is a losing poker player because of rake.  This applies in even the most elevated circles of play.

[darkmule]

Some inferences I'm drawing from the rocklike silence of swcpoker and their actions.

The site is or was losing money.  I'm not sure how you can manage this with a poker site but suddenly canceling a freeroll that had been scheduled for a month beforehand, literally hours before it was on, screams loud and clear that they literally couldn't pay it out.  Otherwise, why not cancel it sooner?

This raises concerns about the solvency of the site.  Now, if they chose to do this to preserve that solvency and ensure player deposits are actually secure, rather than preserving an illusion of wealth by recklessly giving away money they didn't have on freebies, that's actually pretty responsible.  It's a lot better than how pokershibes went belly up after months of ridiculous, unsustainable giveaways and everyone with money on the site got shafted.

So I definitely would rather have the site do shit like this than cease to exist and go away with everyone's money.  However, why the fuck aren't these assholes saying even a goddamn word about this? 

Fucking speak up you gutless cocksuckers.  This utter silence is basically spitting in our faces.  Explain what the fuck's up you idiots.

[Nubitcoinerr]

A lot of players have been complaining that in the tweet where SWC stated that the rake had been lowered, they neglected to mention that they actually increased the rake on tournaments. Has anyone heard anything about tournament rake increases or by how much it's been increased?

it looks like it was increased by less than 2%. I don't like how they went about it and they should have made an announcement about it for sure.
it's still lower than any other site tho.

I think it's a little more than 2%...5 chip tourneys went from 4.90 + 0.10 chips to 4.70 + 0.30 chips = 200% increase.

I can't remember the last time I played tourney on SWC tbh. Sites only good for cash games i mean why play small sngs when you can play overlays and big tourneys on betcoin/wpn.

[TwitchySeal]

A lot of players have been complaining that in the tweet where SWC stated that the rake had been lowered, they neglected to mention that they actually increased the rake on tournaments. Has anyone heard anything about tournament rake increases or by how much it's been increased?

it looks like it was increased by less than 2%. I don't like how they went about it and they should have made an announcement about it for sure.
it's still lower than any other site tho.

I think it's a little more than 2%...5 chip tourneys went from 4.90 + 0.10 chips to 4.70 + 0.30 chips = 200% increase.

I can't remember the last time I played tourney on SWC tbh. Sites only good for cash games i mean why play small sngs when you can play overlays and big tourneys on betcoin/wpn.

excellent point, not shilly at all

[marlais]

I've talked to a site representative and asked how much the rake was increased by- the 5 chip tourneys were never 4.9+.1, they were 4.75+.25 , the overall rake went up from 5% to 6% and a few tourneys were raised by 1.x % in error and will be fixed shortly.

please stop giving misleading information, I understand you have issues with the site, we all do... but it seems as if you're actively trying to criticize the site at any given opportunity even though a lot of your arguments have been disingenuous.

I'm here because I can't get information anywhere else, as SWC management has chosen to go radio silent on all the changes they've made to the site in the last week. All the speculation could be avoided if your "site representative" wanted to step forward and clarify the issue. If you re-read my post, you'll find I didn't criticize the site or anyone else about the rake hike, I asked for information.

SWC certainly has every right to raise their rake, but their players also have a right to not be misled and a right to know about rake hikes so they can make informed decisions about the games they're playing. If nobody had brought this up, those tourneys that were being overraked "in error" would still be overraked.

Do you know what's really disingenuous? Making a big deal on the front page of the website about how you are "lowering rake across the board" (which is what it still says) until a couple astute players point out that it's a straight up lie. You act like SWC players should just keep their mouths shut when they see something shady going down out of some misguided loyalty, but they haven't shown any loyalty to their players in quite a while, so I'm disinclined to sweep their dishonesty under the rug when someone catches them red handed.

[HappyScamp]

site appears to be down, or at least, I can't log on.

[DarkDays]

Some inferences I'm drawing from the rocklike silence of swcpoker and their actions.

The site is or was losing money.  I'm not sure how you can manage this with a poker site but suddenly canceling a freeroll that had been scheduled for a month beforehand, literally hours before it was on, screams loud and clear that they literally couldn't pay it out.  Otherwise, why not cancel it sooner?

You actually don't have to infer that they are losing money, they've said it outright in this thread.

Obviously they have the right to raise rake and reduce benefits, but they are doing it in the absolute worst way possible and it's painting them in a very negative light.

[nioc]

site appears to be down, or at least, I can't log on.

Yes it's been down for almost an hour.  They tweeted 35 minutes ago that it will be up shortly.

Edit:  And they're up again.

[mrcuzamano]

A lot of players have been complaining that in the tweet where SWC stated that the rake had been lowered, they neglected to mention that they actually increased the rake on tournaments. Has anyone heard anything about tournament rake increases or by how much it's been increased?

it looks like it was increased by less than 2%. I don't like how they went about it and they should have made an announcement about it for sure.
it's still lower than any other site tho.

I think it's a little more than 2%...5 chip tourneys went from 4.90 + 0.10 chips to 4.70 + 0.30 chips = 200% increase.

" If you re-read my post, you'll find I didn't criticize the site or anyone else about the rake hike, I asked for information."

that't not you asking for information, that's you claiming that the rake was raised by 200%.

[marlais]

" If you re-read my post, you'll find I didn't criticize the site or anyone else about the rake hike, I asked for information."

that't not you asking for information, that's you claiming that the rake was raised by 200%.

This is the post I was talking about, obviously:

A lot of players have been complaining that in the tweet where SWC stated that the rake had been lowered, they neglected to mention that they actually increased the rake on tournaments. Has anyone heard anything about tournament rake increases or by how much it's been increased?

Sorry about the mixup in what the rake used to be, I was working off of the only information I had available to me, which is what other players were saying in the trollbox. Perhaps you could point me to the page on the SWC website that lists tournament rake information so I can verify for myself that the overraked tourneys have been fixed? I can't seem to locate it. Or are you basing your rake numbers off of insider information that can't be verified and isn't available to all players?