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[GreenBits]

There is no scientific proof for any age beyond about 4,500 years. There might be a lot of circular evidence, a lot of science theory, but there is no proof.

This means that, according to science fact, the earth is only about 4,500 years old. We can assume that it is older. But we don't know from science.

The Bible record might be a religious thing, but strong traditions among the Jews is the Biblical timeline of about 6,200 years, in their Old Testament, the Tanakh. They are a living race of people, not some dead race that cannot speak.

Nailed. Science is just a product of the curiosity of the stupid people like all of us anyways. Science cant even explain what are the creatures under water yet scientists believe that there is really a life form underwater how come that they dont believe on the creator(god). A crazy stupidity that acts like a geniuses

Yet, your trust in science is way, way, way stronger than your trust in God.

Picture the scene.
You've been in a terrible accident, and you're losing blood fast.
Thankfully, the ambulance has arrived, but because of the poisonous Jehovah's Witnesses's rhetoric of not donating blood, the ambulance crew has exhausted it's supply.  
So where do you ask the ambulance crew to drive you to?

A) Hospital, as they have a good chance of more blood supplies.
or
B) Church. Best place so you can pray for God for help.

See. Your trust in God is a tiny atom of unimportance compared to your huge trust in medical science.
So you see, don't knock science too much, you trust it more than you care to admit. Waaaaaaayyyyyyyyy more.......

And your trust in God is way stronger than your trust in science. Whenever you do something, you trust that the standard physics of life and the universe are in place to allow you to do it. God holds the physics of life and the universe in place. So, you are really trusting in God.

I dig that perspective, mind if I use this in my arguments from now on? I like the inclusiveness, despite rejection. His love is indeed infinite; the wayward son gets even more attention than his stalwart brother when the Father listens.

The sheep try so hard to leave the pasture, not understanding that the pasture is the whole of things, there is nothing else.  Denial doesn't mean non existence, it's just a separation of sorts

[BADecker]

There is no scientific proof for any age beyond about 4,500 years. There might be a lot of circular evidence, a lot of science theory, but there is no proof.

This means that, according to science fact, the earth is only about 4,500 years old. We can assume that it is older. But we don't know from science.

The Bible record might be a religious thing, but strong traditions among the Jews is the Biblical timeline of about 6,200 years, in their Old Testament, the Tanakh. They are a living race of people, not some dead race that cannot speak.

Nailed. Science is just a product of the curiosity of the stupid people like all of us anyways. Science cant even explain what are the creatures under water yet scientists believe that there is really a life form underwater how come that they dont believe on the creator(god). A crazy stupidity that acts like a geniuses

Yet, your trust in science is way, way, way stronger than your trust in God.

Picture the scene.
You've been in a terrible accident, and you're losing blood fast.
Thankfully, the ambulance has arrived, but because of the poisonous Jehovah's Witnesses's rhetoric of not donating blood, the ambulance crew has exhausted it's supply.  
So where do you ask the ambulance crew to drive you to?

A) Hospital, as they have a good chance of more blood supplies.
or
B) Church. Best place so you can pray for God for help.

See. Your trust in God is a tiny atom of unimportance compared to your huge trust in medical science.
So you see, don't knock science too much, you trust it more than you care to admit. Waaaaaaayyyyyyyyy more.......

And your trust in God is way stronger than your trust in science. Whenever you do something, you trust that the standard physics of life and the universe are in place to allow you to do it. God holds the physics of life and the universe in place. So, you are really trusting in God.

I dig that perspective, mind if I use this in my arguments from now on? I like the inclusiveness, despite rejection. His love is indeed infinite; the wayward son gets even more attention than his stalwart brother when the Father listens.

The sheep try so hard to leave the pasture, not understanding that the pasture is the whole of things, there is nothing else.  Denial doesn't mean non existence, it's just a separation of sorts

Have at it. After all, why not? The opposition uses my stuff all over the place.

[Buffer Overflow]

There is no scientific proof for any age beyond about 4,500 years. There might be a lot of circular evidence, a lot of science theory, but there is no proof.

This means that, according to science fact, the earth is only about 4,500 years old. We can assume that it is older. But we don't know from science.

The Bible record might be a religious thing, but strong traditions among the Jews is the Biblical timeline of about 6,200 years, in their Old Testament, the Tanakh. They are a living race of people, not some dead race that cannot speak.

Nailed. Science is just a product of the curiosity of the stupid people like all of us anyways. Science cant even explain what are the creatures under water yet scientists believe that there is really a life form underwater how come that they dont believe on the creator(god). A crazy stupidity that acts like a geniuses

Yet, your trust in science is way, way, way stronger than your trust in God.

Picture the scene.
You've been in a terrible accident, and you're losing blood fast.
Thankfully, the ambulance has arrived, but because of the poisonous Jehovah's Witnesses's rhetoric of not donating blood, the ambulance crew has exhausted it's supply.  
So where do you ask the ambulance crew to drive you to?

A) Hospital, as they have a good chance of more blood supplies.
or
B) Church. Best place so you can pray for God for help.

See. Your trust in God is a tiny atom of unimportance compared to your huge trust in medical science.
So you see, don't knock science too much, you trust it more than you care to admit. Waaaaaaayyyyyyyyy more.......

And your trust in God is way stronger than your trust in science. Whenever you do something, you trust that the standard physics of life and the universe are in place to allow you to do it. God holds the physics of life and the universe in place. So, you are really trusting in God.

Yay, just what I wanted to hear. Even more reason not to go round the houses with the hospital time waste, just go direct to church. Cut out the third party.

Oh, wait... you still wouldn't....  

Top life tip: "Watch what people do not what they say."
Only then will you understand their real intentions and thoughts.

Top tip!!

I dig that perspective, mind if I use this in my arguments from now on? I like the inclusiveness, despite rejection.

It's a weak argument at best, for obvious reasons. More like teetering on the edge of question avoidance. That's because BADlogic agrees with me, but of course, he would never actually admit to that on here. Oh dear me no.  

Seems to me, the ones doing the rejecting are the ones who would choose the hospital out of the two.  

The opposition uses my stuff all over the place.

I highly doubt the truth would use your "stuff". 

[Buffer Overflow]

Strong faith in God and weak faith in bullet proof glass?

Or

Weak faith in God and strong faith in bullet proof glass?

[BADecker]

Strong faith in God and weak faith in bullet proof glass?

Or

Weak faith in God and strong faith in bullet proof glass?

Strong faith in both. God made the materials that go into bullet proof glass. He also gave mankind the ability to develop BPG. Faith in God and the things He makes.

[BADecker]

Even Amish go to hospital. 

https://www.wunderground.com/wximage/LadyWriter/67

God made all the materials in the hospitals, and the ability of mankind to develop the medical. Trust in God. Go to the hospital if you need it.

[gondes21]

Bro, learning bible is hard, lifetime, and contextual.
There's a reason why those controversial verse come in bible.
What's the history behind it?
Is it literal or metaphor?
Who said it?
What is the context about?
etc


So, if you learn bible in the right way, you will realize that it is good.

[mainpmf]

Stop arguing with BADecker man, the guy actually said that you can cure tetanos with vitamins C and D...

He's completely illogical and his one pleasure in life is to check if he can see more bullshit everyday ^^

[chixka000]

@popcorn - explain where did those natural elements came from.

@newbie - thats the reason why i believe that there is a creator because no matter how hard we find reasons for everything we would always end up to a thing that we humans cant explain

Completely false.
We might end discovering a cycle of things. Then we'll explain everything as the phenomenons are cyclic.

Moreover thsi is a dumb argument that I can use myself. If there is a creator, who created him?
If there is a God, where does he come from? How does he live? Does he have only one universe? What happens when he dies? If he doesn't die then what will happen when the world end? Will he create another universe? From what and how?

Dumb argument is dumb ^^

Agree you also look dumb on your argument. Can science answer the question of where all of this came from? Of course not, even the great philosophers cant explain it and end up into the fact that their is someone who designed all the things.


Edit: how pathetic that a person is too afraid to die sp they wont believe in god because of their is god then they should not die

[chixka000]

@popcorn - explain where did those natural elements came from.

@newbie - thats the reason why i believe that there is a creator because no matter how hard we find reasons for everything we would always end up to a thing that we humans cant explain

Completely false.
We might end discovering a cycle of things. Then we'll explain everything as the phenomenons are cyclic.

Moreover thsi is a dumb argument that I can use myself. If there is a creator, who created him?
If there is a God, where does he come from? How does he live? Does he have only one universe? What happens when he dies? If he doesn't die then what will happen when the world end? Will he create another universe? From what and how?

Dumb argument is dumb ^^

Agree you also look dumb on your argument. Can science answer the question of where all of this came from? Of course not, even the great philosophers cant explain it and end up into the fact that their is someone who designed all the things.


Edit: how pathetic that a person is too afraid to die sp they wont believe in god because of their is god then they should not die

Those are good questions.  But how deciding on the answer is going to help you discover the truth?

Your assertion about that someone designed it all is just that, an assertion.

Kids are born with genetic disorders, you little twit!

Of course you decide because you accept the fact that we are just a human being given a challenge on living to this world. Do you think yoi were here because it just happens? Humans dinosaurs? Was their any scientists before? Pathetic

[meliodas]

What a bunch of nonsense is this? What argument are you tring to get with this having the wrong interpretation and so biases of your stupidity! Ridiculous! By having these you will not gain an intellectual and healthy discussions regarding this.

[youdamushi]

@popcorn - explain where did those natural elements came from.

@newbie - thats the reason why i believe that there is a creator because no matter how hard we find reasons for everything we would always end up to a thing that we humans cant explain

Completely false.
We might end discovering a cycle of things. Then we'll explain everything as the phenomenons are cyclic.

Moreover thsi is a dumb argument that I can use myself. If there is a creator, who created him?
If there is a God, where does he come from? How does he live? Does he have only one universe? What happens when he dies? If he doesn't die then what will happen when the world end? Will he create another universe? From what and how?

Dumb argument is dumb ^^

Agree you also look dumb on your argument. Can science answer the question of where all of this came from? Of course not, even the great philosophers cant explain it and end up into the fact that their is someone who designed all the things.


Edit: how pathetic that a person is too afraid to die sp they wont believe in god because of their is god then they should not die

Thanks so we agree! Those questions are impossible to answer so no need to say shit like "it means there is a god".
No
It means we don't know. End of the story. It can be god, it can be anything else. We don't know.

[mainpmf]

@popcorn - explain where did those natural elements came from.

@newbie - thats the reason why i believe that there is a creator because no matter how hard we find reasons for everything we would always end up to a thing that we humans cant explain

Completely false.
We might end discovering a cycle of things. Then we'll explain everything as the phenomenons are cyclic.

Moreover thsi is a dumb argument that I can use myself. If there is a creator, who created him?
If there is a God, where does he come from? How does he live? Does he have only one universe? What happens when he dies? If he doesn't die then what will happen when the world end? Will he create another universe? From what and how?

Dumb argument is dumb ^^

Agree you also look dumb on your argument. Can science answer the question of where all of this came from? Of course not, even the great philosophers cant explain it and end up into the fact that their is someone who designed all the things.


Edit: how pathetic that a person is too afraid to die sp they wont believe in god because of their is god then they should not die

Thanks so we agree! Those questions are impossible to answer so no need to say shit like "it means there is a god".
No
It means we don't know. End of the story. It can be god, it can be anything else. We don't know.

Well then it means we shouldn't believe in shit like this!
Why believing in that?
With such argument I could believe in the great spaghetti monster!!!

[BADecker]

@popcorn - explain where did those natural elements came from.

@newbie - thats the reason why i believe that there is a creator because no matter how hard we find reasons for everything we would always end up to a thing that we humans cant explain

Completely false.
We might end discovering a cycle of things. Then we'll explain everything as the phenomenons are cyclic.

Moreover thsi is a dumb argument that I can use myself. If there is a creator, who created him?
If there is a God, where does he come from? How does he live? Does he have only one universe? What happens when he dies? If he doesn't die then what will happen when the world end? Will he create another universe? From what and how?

Dumb argument is dumb ^^

Agree you also look dumb on your argument. Can science answer the question of where all of this came from? Of course not, even the great philosophers cant explain it and end up into the fact that their is someone who designed all the things.


Edit: how pathetic that a person is too afraid to die sp they wont believe in god because of their is god then they should not die

Thanks so we agree! Those questions are impossible to answer so no need to say shit like "it means there is a god".
No
It means we don't know. End of the story. It can be god, it can be anything else. We don't know.

You are finally coming to understand the vastness of God a little.

[mainpmf]

You are finally coming to understand the vastness of God a little.

Lol!
Oh don't mind me man, if you want to name your ignorance God then go ahead...

God is in all mind then= It's simply the name we give to everything we still don't know!

And everytime science progresses, god becomes smaller and smaller. Until we no longer need this stupid concept.

[BADecker]

You are finally coming to understand the vastness of God a little.

Lol!
Oh don't mind me man, if you want to name your ignorance God then go ahead...

God is in all mind then= It's simply the name we give to everything we still don't know!

And everytime science progresses, god becomes smaller and smaller. Until we no longer need this stupid concept.

You can think what you want. But science proves that God exists in more detail than you speak... factually, and not by simple belief alone:
https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

[stats]

You are finally coming to understand the vastness of God a little.

Lol!
Oh don't mind me man, if you want to name your ignorance God then go ahead...

God is in all mind then= It's simply the name we give to everything we still don't know!

And everytime science progresses, god becomes smaller and smaller. Until we no longer need this stupid concept.

You can think what you want. But science proves that God exists in more detail than you speak... factually, and not by simple belief alone:
https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

Drink up lads!!!!!

[BADecker]

You are finally coming to understand the vastness of God a little.

Lol!
Oh don't mind me man, if you want to name your ignorance God then go ahead...

God is in all mind then= It's simply the name we give to everything we still don't know!

And everytime science progresses, god becomes smaller and smaller. Until we no longer need this stupid concept.

You can think what you want. But science proves that God exists in more detail than you speak... factually, and not by simple belief alone:
https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

Drink up lads!!!!!

Yes! Drink in the knowledge that God exists. That way you have opportunity to look to Him and find your salvation to everlasting life... through God's Son, Jesus, the Christ.

[WallSinger]

Is sure that Bible sometimes is very violent, but we also need to see what Christians do in practice. Obviously nobody is perfect and even among church men there are so many delinquents, pedophiles and more, but there are many more deserving and charitable people in my opinion

[joebrook]

OP has a lot of hate in him/her, i shudder to think why OP hates Christians so much. If you don't agree with someones opinion, it doesn't mean you should go around insulting their beliefs.