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October 29, 2013, 03:39:18 AM |
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The reason the difficulty rose for BTC was the people pushing it up by adding hashpower. They aren't mining BTC anymore ...what then? IT's not going to rise, the network is going to lose a ton of hashing power. Maybe very suddenly. What calculator sees that?
The only way this can happen is if mining suddenly becomes less profitable than it is now through some mechanism other than a difficulty increase. Otherwise, anyone who finds mining profitable today will still find mining profitable and will continue mining. There are really only two ways this can happen. Either the price of Bitcoin drops or the price of power increases. Either way, if you're mining you're just as screwed as the other miners. In other words, any change that makes other people want to stop mining will also make you want to stop mining. The reality is this simple -- if mining isn't profitable, you don't want to be mining. If mining is profitable, you still don't want to be mining because profitable mining means difficulty increases. The only time you want to be mining is if for some reason you can mine more efficiently than most other people. This could be because you have already bought mining equipment as a sunk cost or it could be because you have an unusually low price on power. Otherwise, it's near certain to be outperformed by just buying Bitcoins. This is so for two reasons. First, buying Bitcoins has the same upside benefit and downside risk as mining -- you profit from an increase in price and suffer from a decrease just the same. Second, buying Bitcoins allows you to time your buying and selling more flexibly -- you can buy Bitcoins when the price drops and sell earlier if the price rises. There is, however, one big upside to mining -- the "bigger fool" principle. You may be able to buy a miner, mine with it until it costs more to power than it can make, and then *still* find someone to buy it from you at a high price.
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October 29, 2013, 04:57:46 AM |
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Sample scenario.
April next year diff on BTC has made miners think about mining PPC (as some already are) and 50% of BTC miners shift to make more from them.
That reduces the number mining BTC. Making it more profitable and less difficult. The reverse will be true for PPC pretty quickly so people will move on or move back when they see BTC looks better.
More profitable doesn't always mean more difficult. There is more than one thing we can mine, quite a lot more. BTC mining is all but destroyed as far as profit is concerned, but the others may be next...and whatever comes in the future. To some extent they will spread the load and change the situation for the better or worse depending on miner's choices. For a short time each can offer a profitable period though. Easing the load on the others, specifically BTC.
The prices on the exchanges will have a bearing too of course. None of us really know what the future holds there, especially for the minor currencies.
People follow the money , with the exception of a few who are prepared to throw away money to support the BTC economy. They'll happily skipover to LTC if that offers the best return, buying whatever mines those fastest instead of ASICs possibly. It all adds up to difficulty eventually quitting this mad upwards curve.
I'm always amazed how much people manage to sell to "bigger fools" on ebay. 2 minutes on Google and almost any thread on here..they'd know how people with a week old ASIC are struggling to make anything yet they pay more than RRP (in fact they could buy one at RRP from KNC and get it for thousands less a week later most likely)...it's incredible. lol
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October 29, 2013, 05:00:12 AM |
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^^ All my ASICs have been mining PPC.. by the end of the year I should bring a couple TH/s to that network.
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October 29, 2013, 06:10:19 AM |
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hope 0.98 comes sooooooooooooooon. Ewik want!
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October 29, 2013, 06:14:49 AM |
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^^ All my ASICs have been mining PPC.. by the end of the year I should bring a couple TH/s to that network.
how has that been working for you? I was thinking about solo mining ppc with my block erupters setup
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October 29, 2013, 06:15:29 AM |
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Order 64XX Shipped... ABOUT damn time.  only 13 days late.  Lets see how long it takes to get to me. I paid for one day shipping. Did you receive an email from DHL? Mine is supposed to ship today, but nothing. KNC website still says In Progress  a lot of people have issues with dhl .I never got contacted by them.i contacted them after 3 days and they told me the next day by luck..also in my state in the Midwest they only have 1 place to pick it up the capital ...if you miss the truck guy (even with note) and they are "contract" drivers ie not DHL .they won't leave the package...according to a nice dhl rep they may feel they could get jam'd up by dhl so won't leave it....better safe then sorry take it back to the capital.... it is pretty rinky dink in the states ....so call this number talk to a rep....you may get a tracking number out of them at this point phone is 1-800-225 5354 (I think) or check the www.dhl.com site it took like 4 days to get to me by the by..my box was trashed had to be held together with two hands.but my miner works well..so the soggy box helped imho it was probably "hand carried" rather then tossed from Sweden anyway just my experience call to play it safe...one other guy on here had no zip code and it was on its way back to Sweden another guy had another issue..so it saved my butt and 2 others so far that 1-800-225-5354 number..if I have the 800 number wrong google it good luck Searing
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October 29, 2013, 06:30:47 AM |
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Amazing the thing still worked considering all the water you poured from the case....
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October 29, 2013, 06:45:29 AM |
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well by looking at tracking its already here in the states. in Ohio. so lets see how long it take to get to me. I also live in an apartment so even if they miss me they will drop it off at the front office. They have done it befor.
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Searing
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October 29, 2013, 06:46:20 AM |
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Amazing the thing still worked considering all the water you poured from the case....
again my theory is that it had its "incident" the shredded the box and filled the asic full of rain water at the beginning of the trip..thus the box was useless as a way to move the miner or the miner would fall out..thus everywhere it went fromm then on it was carried (two handed) to get from A to B along the way...imho the boxes are so light that the ones that arrived in good shape box wise we're likely being tossed about like Frisbees anyway only reason imho my unit works so well....box was soggy and shredded had to be carried.. i am however a big fan of the large aluminum case they used...(although getting your miner out of the box and watching the 1/2 glass or more of rain water pour out is not a happy time) anyway my box when it arrived...ack! http://imgur.com/a/z8fs3er 2ndary noob question below: by the by should I take the jump and go to .98 here in the future can you go directly from .95 to .98? figure if there is a new version of author supported cgminer and such should probably close eyes and take the plunge Searing
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October 29, 2013, 06:55:26 AM |
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Jesus, don't ask about firmware just try .98 everyone got different issue after update but you should be able go back to .95
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October 29, 2013, 07:36:01 AM Last edit: October 29, 2013, 07:53:42 AM by Phoenix1969 |
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Straight to 0.98...from any version will work I'm up late hoping I can flash them before bed... lol
BTW..tried various temp ranges on all 3 sats... I tried from 40C to 90C, on every board by making cardboard air baffles for the front of the fan intakes, and watching the gui & cgminer bith for optimum numbers. the 2 "slow" boards come up to par around 70C and the "Sweetspot" for all is around 72, although I have one that seems to reach same at 65. all 3 sats are running at 283 average, providing I maintain these temps. There is some of the "Dwindledown" they spoke of, across the board... but all 3 sats together drop about 20-25...7 or 8 gh each over a 12 hour period. So, i just reboot about every 12 hours, lol thats why Im hoping to get my grubby paws on 0.98!
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October 29, 2013, 07:48:17 AM |
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Straight to 0.98...from any version will work I'm up late hoping I can flash them before bed... lol
lol same here. trigger finger getting itchy to pull onto ppc on a solorun for a few weeks.
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October 29, 2013, 08:59:25 AM |
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^^ All my ASICs have been mining PPC.. by the end of the year I should bring a couple TH/s to that network.
how has that been working for you? I was thinking about solo mining ppc with my block erupters setup No different than mining BTC. Just mine it when it's more profitable.  I mined a little PPC against Coinotron ( https://coinotron.com/coinotron/) yesterday from the hosted setup to test it. Worked fine. However, PPC is slightly less profitable than BTC at the moment, As for BEs, they are set-up in my unattended front-end ( https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=149442.0), which uses data from Coinchoose to switch to the most profitable coin at any given time
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October 29, 2013, 09:59:37 AM |
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After ~25 hours on that last binary I posted. [ASC0] => ( [ASC] => 0 [Name] => KnC [ID] => 0 [Enabled] => Y [Status] => Alive [Temperature] => 0.00 [MHS av] => 271396.37 [MHS 5s] => 282646.30 [Accepted] => 29720 [Rejected] => 80 [Hardware Errors] => 104399 [Utility] => 19.81 [Last Share Pool] => 0 [Last Share Time] => 1383040598 [Total MH] => 24432445449.3012 [Diff1 Work] => 5688630 [Difficulty Accepted] => 5640976.00000000 [Difficulty Rejected] => 14941.00000000 [Last Share Difficulty] => 194.00000000 [Last Valid Work] => 1383040600 [Device Hardware%] => 1.8021 [Device Rejected%] => 0.2626 [Device Elapsed] => 90025 )
Going to go tinker some more now so I'll have to stop the binary but figured I should post an update. My HW errors remained much lower while hashrate remained solid. Having discussed with hno (the primary dev on the original driver code), we may revise the hashrate meter further.
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October 29, 2013, 10:15:37 AM |
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After ~25 hours on that last binary I posted.
Going to go tinker some more now so I'll have to stop the binary but figured I should post an update. My HW errors remained much lower while hashrate remained solid. Having discussed with hno (the primary dev on the original driver code), we may revise the hashrate meter further.
Thank you for your time on this all of us on the forum appreciate your efforts..and as a non-coder I find the process fascinating...keep up the good work.....again thanks a lot. Searing
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October 29, 2013, 10:19:27 AM |
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^^ All my ASICs have been mining PPC.. by the end of the year I should bring a couple TH/s to that network.
how has that been working for you? I was thinking about solo mining ppc with my block erupters setup No different than mining BTC. Just mine it when it's more profitable.  I mined a little PPC against Coinotron ( https://coinotron.com/coinotron/) yesterday from the hosted setup to test it. Worked fine. However, PPC is slightly less profitable than BTC at the moment, As for BEs, they are set-up in my unattended front-end ( https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=149442.0), which uses data from Coinchoose to switch to the most profitable coin at any given time I'm weary of something utilizing an aggregator because its pulling data based off of small blip or activity in buy or sell orders....convince me otherwise and maybe I'll check it out
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October 29, 2013, 10:34:42 AM |
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Look at "Average profitability past 7 days" column. That's more accurate overall. Still my observation is that profitability of PPC is slightly higher after BTC diff increase, but then it corrects itself, ether though more miners switching to PPC or PPC price going down, or both.
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“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.” “We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.” “It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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jmevz
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October 29, 2013, 10:36:00 AM |
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Dumb question. Do I need to install all firmware updates in order, or can I just install the latest update and be sweet?
Thanks,
Received my Miner Mercury today, all going well so far.
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October 29, 2013, 10:37:17 AM |
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Dumb question. Do I need to install all firmware updates in order, or can I just install the latest update and be sweet?
Thanks,
Received my Miner Mercury today, all going well so far.
just install the latest update and be sweet.)
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jmevz
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October 29, 2013, 10:51:50 AM |
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Dumb question. Do I need to install all firmware updates in order, or can I just install the latest update and be sweet?
Thanks,
Received my Miner Mercury today, all going well so far.
just install the latest update and be sweet.) Yeah, I figured all would be included.
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