Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com

[Bitcoinorama]

About Neptune numbers, 3THash for $16k, by early 2014..

3THash takes up to 3kWh power now, means, $2628 for electricity a year @ $0.10.

30% efficiency would be, $876 savings a year on KNC 20nm machines.
$1752 at $0.20, and
$2628 for $0.30 a kWh power.

For 6THash,
CoinTerra - 3x2THash = $18k
KNC 20nm - 2x3THash = $32k

That's $14k extra, for ~$1760 savings a year, or $3520 for two years, at $0.10.
At $0.20 kWh, $3520 and $7040.
At $0.30 kWh, $5280 and $10.5K.

Worth it? Correct me, if I'm wrong.

Cointerra is basing their numbers on a best case simulation and are competing with Hashfast who are basing their numbers on a best case simulation. Neither have provided evidence a 28nm chip that operates at 400, or 500 Gh/s is at all feasible in the real world. There is reasoning behind this we will be able to explore in only a few weeks time.

KnC uses minimum values based on calculations they know are achievable in the real world. There is reasoning behind that we will be able to explore in a few months time.

W.r.t. my own predictions based upon the mining offerings this year I have stood correct on every single occasion. I was totally spot on w.r.t. Hashfast, X-Crowd, Cedeatec, Cryonix, Payonix, and multiple others by researching the companies, the tech, taking a pragmatic stance and paying attention to the terms, conditions and accountability they wish to accept.

With KnC it was evident they were capable and had the drive and vast network of contacts available to them. Nothing was ever hidden behind an NDA, just based upon trust that I could keep certain elements to myself. What they were comfortable with me revealing I did and always supported that with evidence. I never told anyone to do anything but follow through with research of their own, double check my own with theirs and pay them a visit. The fact a handful did is worrying to say the least, the fact that so few companies that claim to be mining hardware manufacturers behave as if they are operating a real business with a future is equally so.

[sickpig]

BINGO!
sickpig...yep, sold. 25btc total

wow. impressive. good for you

[sickpig]

About Neptune numbers, 3THash for $16k, by early 2014..

16K? It should read 10K$, no?

Am I missing something obvious?

[opentoe]

Anyone selling  a full functioning Jupiter please let me know. I don't want die 0 issues or anything like that. Have BTC immediate for payment. Please message me. Thanks.

[The Avenger]

... and you can refund up to shipment

Which we know was a lie last time around.

Not exactly, you were able to refund to the point the list was sent to the facility to process your order for assembly.

Ha, lying fucker.

Let's remind ourselves of what ACTUALLY happened shall we? From newsletter 26th SEPTEMBER 2013 https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-37

The big news is that all the production orders that are due for delivery before October 15th have now been confirmed with the factory for final assembly and our production schedule is now locked. As such, we are not able to make any more changes.

THEY STOPPED REFUNDS BEFORE A SINGLE DEVICE SHIPPED.

Even people with "Paid" status (i.e. not sent to facility for assembly) were NOT able to get a refund, even if their device did not ship for another 4 weeks. So this is pure and utter lies once again from the paid knc shill.

It just shows the how low KNC will go, putting this lie of refund up to shipping in the terms of sale again. When their paid representative comes on here and tries to change reality, there can be no doubt these are crooks with no ethics or morals.

And after their big song and dance about accepting cc payment https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-35, they are now only accepting non-refundable/non-chargeback payments forms. That's got to get your spider senses tingling regarding how they will "refund" you  

Do some serious research before buying (or not) and don't take anything proven liar buttcoinorama sells tells you. He gets paid to lie to you and he has no qualms about doing that.

All orders were sent to the facility at the same time in one batch file, all overseen by a logistics contractor handling the bespoke software that integrates the production line with UPS. One guy sits in the office, one on site when needed. Do not pretend you know anything about what you are talking about.

You are telling people that once the batch file goes to production a few days before production starts
IS THE SAME AS
"you can refund up to shipment".

That is blatantly not the same thing.

And it seems either you don't know what you are talking about or your prefer to mislead people by altering what the word "up to shipping" means to most english speaking people.

It's "up to a few days before production starts" - at best - given what KNC did before. Change your terms to reflect this and stop lying to and misleading people.

[rampalija]

Anyone selling  a full functioning Jupiter please let me know. I don't want die 0 issues or anything like that. Have BTC immediate for payment. Please message me. Thanks.

Can you pay in cash

[Puppet]

Yeah, here come all the naysayers....   old rhetoric now.
I wonder what a November Jupiter will be worth around the end of December...  
Ain't luck....It's destiny baby..... Oyeah.

jun 15 was last fiat used... and I still have 5+BTC
The moment I have enough for another Neptune....Guess what.....

In june $4000 would have gotten you ~33BTC. How many BTC  did you end up making on those jupiters?

[davewr2013]

People are wondering if 20NM chips are possible/feasible/viable.

http://www.xilinx.com/products/technology/ultrascale/index.htm

Probably so. I have some of the stuff coming to me in early new year -- assuming people meet the new ship dates.

No. not for miners -- just other stuff.

fwiw

[btcusr]

@Bitcoinorama, thanks for your comments.

My 100% investments is with KNC, now. I would trust KNC over other vendors. They delivered fast, and it's just not fast enough to my BTC investment back.

I just decided to stay away from it till, 2014-Q2. I think, by then there will be some stability, ~10% upwards trend.

It would be great if they could give us a date / month estimate and customer protection plan (even if it costs extra $$).

Also, I hope 4 months down the line KNC will be able to sell miners directly, without requiring a preorders.

[arlekyn13]

@Bitcoinorama, any news on the tuning software? Really curious if it has the potential of fixing die #0 issues without insane temps.

[sickpig]

Just another email from knc cs, I think it is self-explanatory.

Hello,

Yes, that is correct.
Queue position is determined by the date on which we received your payment.

Thanks

Med vänlig hälsning Best regards

Liam Vardy

KnCMiner
www.kncminer.com
Office: +46 8559 253 20

[Biffa]

I'm surprised they don't throw in a few free t-shirts and a night with bitcoinorama to get people to part with their btc today  

You get that if you buy 10 

[arlekyn13]

Instead of a new expensive pre-ordered miner, I'm more interested in the tuning software that might (or not) be able to fix broken ASIC boards. Also, why not start selling Nov batch type ASIC boards and controller boards to Oct customers willing to get higher speeds? I mean, just the boards, not the chips (assuming the chips can be moved to a new board, I have no idea about that cause I never removed the cooler to see how the chip is fixed into the board). Anyone could estimate the cost of an ASIC board (without the ASIC itself)/bb board?

[Bitcoinorama]

@Bitcoinorama, thanks for your comments.

My 100% investments is with KNC, now. I would trust KNC over other vendors. They delivered fast, and it's just not fast enough to my BTC investment back.

I just decided to stay away from it till, 2014-Q2. I think, by then there will be some stability, ~10% upwards trend.

It would be great if they could give us a date / month estimate and customer protection plan (even if it costs extra $$).

Also, I hope 4 months down the line KNC will be able to sell miners directly, without requiring a preorders.

Ok completely understand and we do aim to sell from stock, even some more 28nm, but we don't want to destroy the hashrate, and the fact of the matter is when we have any stock it's there for minutes. Pre-orders allow for NRE to be covered, but also sell out a little less quickly as in days, not minutes.

Obv. a more detailed month estimate will become available, but you have to understand that involves securing fab time, and reasonable expectations of delivery from suppliers. When you but the world's supply of multiple components you invariably end up having to await bespoke orders to be fulfilled at desired volumes, in most cases that's 12+ weeks. On top of which the design needs to be finalised. You may be surprised to here it's not just limited to specific components such as VRMs, finding a particular capacitor, or resistor can be troublesome. We experienced just that with the recently revised boards. Even the initial October batch as you saw we were restricted on available components (VRMs again). We do not want to make promises we cannot fulfill, so we will know more as the design process unfolds and will keep you in the loop.

[murraypaul]

All orders were sent to the facility at the same time in one batch file, all overseen by a logistics contractor handling the bespoke software that integrates the production line with UPS. One guy sits in the office, one on site when needed. Do not pretend you know anything about what you are talking about.

Which has nothing to do with the fact that they went back on their word to provide refunds right up until your device shipped.

[madsusies]

Thx Bitcoinorama 4 nothing, mostly the mercury hash only 80-99Ghas, most of 200 oct boards ended in Jupiter's owners hands, or on ebay, bitmit, marke place and please do don't write like there is only one manufacturer for each part of mainer in world

[Rawrkanos]

Bitcoinorama, do you have any input from KNC in regards to the fellows trying to sell access to the Neptune order to non-customers? And in line with that, what is the judgement for me, whose is trying to give it away instead, just to keep the money from the pockets of those greedy fellows selling it?

[sickpig]

Thx Bitcoinorama 4 nothing, mostly the mercury hash only 80-99Ghas, most of 200 oct boards ended in Jupiter's owners hands, or on ebay, bitmit, marke place and please do don't write like there is only one manufacturer for each part of mainer in world

sorry for bothering, but would you mind to use the width property to resize the img you post?

[madsusies]

Sry, but NO, because I'm on phone in work mostly, because mercury don't pay all your bill like Jupiter's do, feel free to edit my post

[Bitcoinorama]

@Bitcoinorama, any news on the tuning software? Really curious if it has the potential of fixing die #0 issues without insane temps.

Ok I've literally just tried to tie down a confirmed date. Current indication from the engineers I spoke to is tomorrow. That's based on them testing it, they are happy with the values you can set, but the lead software engineer on that piece of software is not around currently so I won't be held to anything definite. I'm unlikely to see him until tomorrow. So for all intents and purposes all the guys present today are happy with it.