Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com

[opentoe]

You can still order a cointerra for $6k, indicates a delivery in May which could be before the Neptunes are delivered. A whole $4,000 less may be the way to go. Or, better yet...order 2 of them for the same price a lot of people ordered the $13k Neptune for. And they come with power supplies.

Cointerra has done a fine job at pricing, and if their production/shipment line goes full swing, I believe KNC will see quite a bruteforce level of competition. Lots of ifs there, but still. KNC is a quality product and they've done extremely well overall, but they may just be facing an uphill battle this year, especially since they haven't even taped out yet.

In-hand and time-to-delivery are, afterall, cornerstone aspects of this market.

It is nice that Cointerra is supplying PSU's, that's value added. Devil's Advocate: KNC allows you to choose what PSU is best for you, and if a PSU goes down, quicker/easier to replace.

They are just regular ATX power supplies and can be changed out. And since they are of the ATX standard, their sizing all should be the same. I guess if someone is hung up on what power supplies to use they can change them out, but having them included in the price that less expensive is pretty nice. And I'm sure they would also carry some kind of warranty. It is nice to see some competition. It's not fun having just one company monopolize the bitcoin mining arena. In due time I can guarantee you KNC will be more verbal and start showing themselves more often on the forums and maybe even in their own forums as well as competition usually does that.

[vesperwillow]

You can still order a cointerra for $6k, indicates a delivery in May which could be before the Neptunes are delivered. A whole $4,000 less may be the way to go. Or, better yet...order 2 of them for the same price a lot of people ordered the $13k Neptune for. And they come with power supplies.

Cointerra has done a fine job at pricing, and if their production/shipment line goes full swing, I believe KNC will see quite a bruteforce level of competition. Lots of ifs there, but still. KNC is a quality product and they've done extremely well overall, but they may just be facing an uphill battle this year, especially since they haven't even taped out yet.

In-hand and time-to-delivery are, afterall, cornerstone aspects of this market.

It is nice that Cointerra is supplying PSU's, that's value added. Devil's Advocate: KNC allows you to choose what PSU is best for you, and if a PSU goes down, quicker/easier to replace.

They are just regular ATX power supplies and can be changed out. And since they are of the ATX standard, their sizing all should be the same. I guess if someone is hung up on what power supplies to use they can change them out, but having them included in the price that less expensive is pretty nice. And I'm sure they would also carry some kind of warranty. It is nice to see some competition. It's not fun having just one company monopolize the bitcoin mining arena. In due time I can guarantee you KNC will be more verbal and start showing themselves more often on the forums and maybe even in their own forums as well as competition usually does that.

From what I saw of the final product, they are RM PSU's (rack mount), not normal ATX. More expensive, though usually last longer. Unless I'm looking at an entirely different Cointerra Terraminer..

[matthewh3]

Looks like Cointerra isn't far from shipping the world's next "most powerful BTC miner".

Lots of folks in this thread said they'd never even have a chip in January.

KNC will ship new Jupiters soon I'm sure

At what price? $2995 or $3495 I'm guessing one of those. Surely less than $4K

I came so close to ordering from cointerra it's a bit of a regret

They may also offer a first batch to previous customers only who have had or have money down on pre-orders.  As part of their network protection scheme.

[Sitarow]

Looks like today Cointerra finally put together a working machine.  It would be nice if KNC actually posted a status report on the Neptune boxes.

Neptunes might sell out now that people see they will be over twice as fast as terraminers

WELL they selling fast down below 300 left.

[jelin1984]

still wait knc next jupiter run

[kendog77]

still wait knc next jupiter run

Aren't we all. BitFury and Antminer prices keep going down, so I'm trying to resist the urge to buy some of those because I think the Jupiters will be a better deal if Knc ever releases them.

[wpgdeez]

I will patiently wait for my Neptune and until then will concentrate on my Scrypt gear. GPU mining is better then ASIC imo.

[Phoenix1969]

I wonder if they intend to keep rolling out neptune batches for sale month after month like cointerra have done or another network protection statement until other companies reach 3-4TH machines or 20nm machines?

Another NPS?  Hahahahahaaahaaahahahahhhahha     Forget that Idea, There's no way. After all the crybabies, Fudders, whiners, speculators, emails, calls....  you really think they'd utter such nonsense again?  Not a chance.

[RoadStress]

I wonder if they intend to keep rolling out neptune batches for sale month after month like cointerra have done or another network protection statement until other companies reach 3-4TH machines or 20nm machines?

Another NPS?  Hahahahahaaahaaahahahahhhahha     Forget that Idea.

Then isn't it better to buy neptunes only instead of Jupes?

[kendog77]

I wonder if they intend to keep rolling out neptune batches for sale month after month like cointerra have done or another network protection statement until other companies reach 3-4TH machines or 20nm machines?

Another NPS?  Hahahahahaaahaaahahahahhhahha     Forget that Idea.

Then isn't it better to buy neptunes only instead of Jupes?

That depends on when Knc can deliver the Neptunes, so your guess is as good as mine. If they can deliver Neptunes in Q1, I think Neptune buyers will be pretty happy. If they can't deliver Neptunes until the end of Q2, pretty much all Neptune buyers will lose money if they paid in BTC.

If Knc offers another round of Jupes, the risk for buyers will be much lower since they will ship immediately.

[je1p7u7]

KNC will ship new Jupiters soon I'm sure

If they do that it will likely push neptunes into Q2. I'll probably drop my neptune order in that case. I hope they put out some updates soon.

[soy]

Jupiters will always sell.  If Neptunes can be shown to be powered reasonably in a US home without rewiring then they'll sell like hotcakes but still there will be miners who would rather go with a device a quarter the cost of a Neptune.

Powering is the issue I'm sure.  Some look to remove a module if possible - that hopefully bringing it within range of a 15 amp circuit.  But if that is necessary then multiple Jupiters, perhaps in different rooms for separate breakers, would sell.

[joeventura]

KNC will ship new Jupiters soon I'm sure

If they do that it will likely push neptunes into Q2. I'll probably drop my neptune order in that case. I hope they put out some updates soon.

And this ^^^^ is why KNC will not release Jupiters. Perhaps they can just release upgrade modules??

[soy]

Maybe the reasonable current at European voltages is why.  Not easy in US.  Not like they need US buyers.

Post-WWII baby boom generation is retired or retiring now.  The aforesaid generation grew when European and Japanese factories were rebuilding, almost leveled in the war while we had factories intact and no competition.  Until the 1970's if you had US dollars you were 'loved' anywhere but it was often a mask.  This generation is informed by a mindset that doesn't need the US.

[vesperwillow]

KNC will ship new Jupiters soon I'm sure

If they do that it will likely push neptunes into Q2. I'll probably drop my neptune order in that case. I hope they put out some updates soon.

And this ^^^^ is why KNC will not release Jupiters. Perhaps they can just release upgrade modules??

It's been said before by myself and others.. they put themselves between a rock and a hard place with the timing of their new equipment and their NPS.

If people really wanted them to take notice, just get about 80% of all preorders to demand a refund.

[r1senfa17h]

I'm wiring my house with 6 x 30-amp 240v circuits to handle my mining equipment. I'm more worried about cooling to be honest 

[soy]

I'm wiring my house with 6 x 30-amp 240v circuits to handle my mining equipment. I'm more worried about cooling to be honest 

Yes, I think the low end, efficient, window AC by Haier got bumped by $30-$50 after the summer.  Went looking the other day.

[timmmers]

Jupiters will always sell.  If Neptunes can be shown to be powered reasonably in a US home without rewiring then they'll sell like hotcakes but still there will be miners who would rather go with a device a quarter the cost of a Neptune.

Powering is the issue I'm sure.  Some look to remove a module if possible - that hopefully bringing it within range of a 15 amp circuit.  But if that is necessary then multiple Jupiters, perhaps in different rooms for separate breakers, would sell.

Why? Who would imagine a Jup would break even now? It won't in BTC for certain.
Worse, who will soon have a fairly large number of Jups to sell , either as units or broken into modules? Because they have 1st dibs on their own new rigs.

Why buy a Jup now interests me most, there may be some logic, but it's totally missed me. It's fucking madness unless reliance on the exchange rate in the long term is involved.

[soy]

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[kendog77]

Jupiters will always sell.  If Neptunes can be shown to be powered reasonably in a US home without rewiring then they'll sell like hotcakes but still there will be miners who would rather go with a device a quarter the cost of a Neptune.

Powering is the issue I'm sure.  Some look to remove a module if possible - that hopefully bringing it within range of a 15 amp circuit.  But if that is necessary then multiple Jupiters, perhaps in different rooms for separate breakers, would sell.

Why? Who would imagine a Jup would break even now? It won't in BTC for certain.
Worse, who will soon have a fairly large number of Jups to sell , either as units or broken into modules? Because they have 1st dibs on their own new rigs.

Why buy a Jup now interests me most, there may be some logic, but it's totally missed me. It's fucking madness unless reliance on the exchange rate in the long term is involved.

If Knc releases another batch of Jupiters, they will be priced at less than 5k. I bet they would be priced at around 3k, which is about 4 BTC.

A Jupiter purchased now and delivered immediately will almost certainly earn more than 4 BTC in its lifetime.