Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com

[Searing]

I am a newbie here, but it seems that restrictions have been lifted. I have 2 Neptunes on preorder. I was thinking to run them off the dryer 240V socket, but "family" is adamantly against it, hence I would be able to barely run just one.

Bottom line: is anybody interested in ONE public batch #1 Neptune preorder (154##)? Please PM me if interested, but be reasonable as I don't have to sell. I will only deal in BTC. As of now, batch#2 is gone as well (for the second and, probably, last time).

you could get a gas stove and gas clothes dryer (probably you will get beaned on the head by the significant other)...just saying

Searing

[atadro]

 My understanding of the neptune was that it was going to draw 2500w or more,  and thus is unsuitable for 20 amp, 120v power lines.  I'm not sure where to get a power supply that is greater than 1600w,  and I've always been cautious of having two power supplies on one device,  in case one fails and the other does not.  (electronic devices don't generally like to be half powered... it fries them!)  How would sourcing your own power supply work with such a device?  

+1 for the suggestion to house the power supply internally.  I (and I am sure many others in the US)  plan on hosting this in a data center,  so having it something that is entirely rack mountable makes things so much easier.  

yes it would be nice to get if a 220v standard 20amp 2pole breaker line will work...(sigh ...i suppose I could get a gas clothes dryer and stove.....)...the smart thing to do would be to upgrade my 100amp panel to 200 amps...

anyway us USA types need to know if we have to get a 220v 30amp line.....because right now is the time you get a hold of and schedule an appointment with an Electrican (dead of winter) if you wait till spring they will all be locked up with commercial work unless you set such up early (my experience anyway)

but again in a "module format" like was done with the Jupiter....you could "split" and have 2 power supplies hashing each or 2 to 4 or whatever cores per side each...i think? that is being done with cointerra?

it probably would look like 2 units hashing on a pool this seperation...but what the heck if you could use TWO Power suppllies on TW0 dedicated to the Neptune only regular 220v line would be worth it...and most of us could do that ourselves on our current panels *usa*

not to mention if one circuit or module or whatever stops working (like on the jupiter) you can continue to hash till RMA arrives

my 2c worth

Searing

+1 on space in the case!

Searing I'm running 3 Jups on a 240V circuit here in the USA, I highly recommend making the move to 220/240V if you're going to keep them in a residential setting.. and don't skimp on wire gage!

ah but that is my question power/volts=amps so 2500/120v = 20.83 amps assuming 2500w unit (i've heard 3000w per neptune)..so....if that is the case I will need a 220v 30amp and corresponding wire etc (the same circuit as my elec stove/ove uses or my elec clothes dryer) ..that is unlikely to fly with a 100amp panel even though i only have for heat a boiler (small pump no big deal) and no house wide air conditioning etc....now if KNC comes back and says it is 2150w or some such I can do as you have above...but i'm thinking from what I heard ..if i remember correctly..in europe it is 240/30 amp so it is either a gas stove/oven and gas clothes dryer in my future ...or i get a 200amp at least (maybe bigger for kicks 250amp) panel and re-do feed to the house ..which  my guess would be 2k to 2.5k (i'm in town only way they turn power back on after such a project is if lincensed electrian sighns off he did the work and that the inspector also has signed off on it.takes some creative organization to get both the electrican and the insprector there the same day..and that assumes the inspector is happy....pain in the butt

anyway my concerns on clarification....would be nice to get this info ASAP so i can arrange now for an electrician in march sometime before they are fully backlogged

anyway if the above is incorrect on my calculations please clarify this post ...just me kibitzing on the above in that i have not chased any other info down yet the friend who had a service put in and his experiences on all this for a new service...also my math may be incorrect above too for all i know

Searing

IMO if you have only ordered 1, without intent to expand, you could just add a 20A 240V circuit to your panel for the Neptune.  If you need to free up 2 spots for the new breaker you can get tandem breakers for existing 120V 15A or 20A circuits. 

That being said now is the time to decide if you want to 'go big'.  Upgrading service (or adding another) can be fairly quick and cheap depending on the situation.  I recently had 2 additional separate 100A 240V 1P  services pulled into my office (northeast US) for $3400 including everything from the meters to the 8 outlets.  You won't know though until you get an electrician to give a look - and try to get one with experience with your town/city as each has their own rules and quirks.

[demonmaestro]

Do keep in mind 220 (usa) is differend from 220(outside of the usa)

USA runs 60hz while the rest of the world runs 50hz 

[DPoS]

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[Searing]

 My understanding of the neptune was that it was going to draw 2500w or more,  and thus is unsuitable for 20 amp, 120v power lines.  I'm not sure where to get a power supply that is greater than 1600w,  and I've always been cautious of having two power supplies on one device,  in case one fails and the other does not.  (electronic devices don't generally like to be half powered... it fries them!)  How would sourcing your own power supply work with such a device?  

+1 for the suggestion to house the power supply internally.  I (and I am sure many others in the US)  plan on hosting this in a data center,  so having it something that is entirely rack mountable makes things so much easier.  

yes it would be nice to get if a 220v standard 20amp 2pole breaker line will work...(sigh ...i suppose I could get a gas clothes dryer and stove.....)...the smart thing to do would be to upgrade my 100amp panel to 200 amps...

anyway us USA types need to know if we have to get a 220v 30amp line.....because right now is the time you get a hold of and schedule an appointment with an Electrican (dead of winter) if you wait till spring they will all be locked up with commercial work unless you set such up early (my experience anyway)

but again in a "module format" like was done with the Jupiter....you could "split" and have 2 power supplies hashing each or 2 to 4 or whatever cores per side each...i think? that is being done with cointerra?

it probably would look like 2 units hashing on a pool this seperation...but what the heck if you could use TWO Power suppllies on TW0 dedicated to the Neptune only regular 220v line would be worth it...and most of us could do that ourselves on our current panels *usa*

not to mention if one circuit or module or whatever stops working (like on the jupiter) you can continue to hash till RMA arrives

my 2c worth

Searing

+1 on space in the case!

Searing I'm running 3 Jups on a 240V circuit here in the USA, I highly recommend making the move to 220/240V if you're going to keep them in a residential setting.. and don't skimp on wire gage!

ah but that is my question power/volts=amps so 2500/120v = 20.83 amps assuming 2500w unit (i've heard 3000w per neptune)..so....if that is the case I will need a 220v 30amp and corresponding wire etc (the same circuit as my elec stove/ove uses or my elec clothes dryer) ..that is unlikely to fly with a 100amp panel even though i only have for heat a boiler (small pump no big deal) and no house wide air conditioning etc....now if KNC comes back and says it is 2150w or some such I can do as you have above...but i'm thinking from what I heard ..if i remember correctly..in europe it is 240/30 amp so it is either a gas stove/oven and gas clothes dryer in my future ...or i get a 200amp at least (maybe bigger for kicks 250amp) panel and re-do feed to the house ..which  my guess would be 2k to 2.5k (i'm in town only way they turn power back on after such a project is if lincensed electrian sighns off he did the work and that the inspector also has signed off on it.takes some creative organization to get both the electrican and the insprector there the same day..and that assumes the inspector is happy....pain in the butt

anyway my concerns on clarification....would be nice to get this info ASAP so i can arrange now for an electrician in march sometime before they are fully backlogged

anyway if the above is incorrect on my calculations please clarify this post ...just me kibitzing on the above in that i have not chased any other info down yet the friend who had a service put in and his experiences on all this for a new service...also my math may be incorrect above too for all i know

Searing

IMO if you have only ordered 1, without intent to expand, you could just add a 20A 240V circuit to your panel for the Neptune.  If you need to free up 2 spots for the new breaker you can get tandem breakers for existing 120V 15A or 20A circuits. 

That being said now is the time to decide if you want to 'go big'.  Upgrading service (or adding another) can be fairly quick and cheap depending on the situation.  I recently had 2 additional separate 100A 240V 1P  services pulled into my office (northeast US) for $3400 including everything from the meters to the 8 outlets.  You won't know though until you get an electrician to give a look - and try to get one with experience with your town/city as each has their own rules and quirks.

still confused p/v=amps   2500w/120v=20.83..i was under the impression a neptune was 2500 to 3000 watts? so in that case i'd need a 30amp circuit right? or is 2500w too high?

[zedicus]

^^ https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=355305.msg3811413#msg3811413
 (edited with correct link)

Might come in handy for those looking to tango with the panel. I just had a dedicated 30a breaker added for my miners.. followed the Death&Taxes Protocol in that thread.

[atadro]

still confused p/v=amps   2500w/120v=20.83..i was under the impression a neptune was 2500 to 3000 watts? so in that case i'd need a 30amp circuit right? or is 2500w too high?

20A 120V will give you 2400W, but a 20A 240V circuit will provide for 4800W - which based on KNC's initial guesstimate will be enough safety and headroom for powering 1 Neptune.  Even though a 120V 30A circuit might be enough wattage if it were me I'd rather go with the dual hot wiring of 240V when running a big load 24/7.

[atadro]

^^ https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=355305.msg3811413#msg3811413
 (edited with correct link)

Might come in handy for those looking to tango with the panel. I just had a dedicated 30a breaker added for my miners.. followed the Death&Taxes Protocol in that thread.

also, this site has a nice collection of practical examples of using and working with electricity if you scroll down to the links at the middle of the page.  It may not be the slickest site of best organized but I've found it to have much useful info.

http://waterheatertimer.org/Do-it-yourself-water-heater-timer.html

[OmegaCentauri]

So, there's plans to release upgrade modules (perhaps within the next month)?  

What I would like to know and echoing the same as other users previously asked:

• Will they be October (Rev 1) or November (Rev 2) Jupiter modules?
• Will they be compatible with both October & November Jupiters?
• If Rev 2 November modules are made available; how will we upgrade when there is only four of the 2x5 pin headers available on the controller board?
• Will an upgraded controller board with 6-8 2x5 pin headers, be made available as an additional purchase on top of the modules?

[DPoS]

So, there's plans to release upgrade modules (perhaps within the next month)?  

What I would like to know and echoing the same as other users previously asked:

• Will they be October (Rev 1) or November (Rev 2) Jupiter modules?

maybe both?

• Will they be compatible with both October & November Jupiters?

no, firmware has to run all of one or the other (oct controller could be reflashed for nov, but small use case there)

• If Rev 2 November modules are made available; how will we upgrade when there is only four of the 2x5 pin headers available on the controller board?

only Saturns are suppose to get boards!! (lol..  well, you can solder more connectors on)

• Will an upgraded controller board with 6-8 2x5 pin headers, be made available as an additional purchase on top of the modules?

if they could they would just sell more jupiters

[vesperwillow]

CoinTerra begins FCC/CE certification this week, followed up by a test-run of its 2 production facilities at the end of this week where they'll do part of a batch and ship it. Full produciton/shipping ramp-up of all batches begins Monday the 27th: http://cointerra.com/update-prototype-testing-completed-certification-production-week/

[The Avenger]

CoinTerra begins FCC/CE certification this week, followed up by a test-run of its 2 production facilities at the end of this week where they'll do part of a batch and ship it. Full produciton/shipping ramp-up of all batches begins Monday the 27th: http://cointerra.com/update-prototype-testing-completed-certification-production-week/

I find this particularly interesting, as some people in this thread once claimed it took weeks and would cause massive delays etc:

At the same time we have been preparing the hardware for mandatory FCC and CE product testing and certification, and UL safety testing and certification which we have been informed will take approximately 2-3 days to complete.

Will this be the first asic miner device that is actually CE certified?

[vesperwillow]

CoinTerra begins FCC/CE certification this week, followed up by a test-run of its 2 production facilities at the end of this week where they'll do part of a batch and ship it. Full produciton/shipping ramp-up of all batches begins Monday the 27th: http://cointerra.com/update-prototype-testing-completed-certification-production-week/

I find this particularly interesting, as some people in this thread once claimed it took weeks and would cause massive delays etc:

Yeah, Cointerra has a simple manual assembly for the chassis (as pictured with the 2 teenage looking folks) and automated for the PCB stuff. The chassis assembly has been going on all month from what I've heard, so once they verify the automated line is working fine (end of the week I suppose), they'll just be flipping a switch and letting all the batches ramp up.

As some would say, if all goes well, "shits about to get real".

Has anyone done the math on 10,000-25,000 units @ 1TH? What's that equate to? lol

At the same time we have been preparing the hardware for mandatory FCC and CE product testing and certification, and UL safety testing and certification which we have been informed will take approximately 2-3 days to complete.

Will this be the first asic miner device that is actually CE certified?

Block Erupters have CE certification, as do BFL Jally's. I can see the stamp of approval on mine. I dunno about other equipment though, but I'm fairly sure most of it would be for import into the EU.

[Searing]

still confused p/v=amps   2500w/120v=20.83..i was under the impression a neptune was 2500 to 3000 watts? so in that case i'd need a 30amp circuit right? or is 2500w too high?

20A 120V will give you 2400W, but a 20A 240V circuit will provide for 4800W - which based on KNC's initial guesstimate will be enough safety and headroom for powering 1 Neptune.  Even though a 120V 30A circuit might be enough wattage if it were me I'd rather go with the dual hot wiring of 240V when running a big load 24/7.

yeah just realized that like 5min away from when i posted it..no computer access till now

DUH!

yeah...that is plain as mud now that a 220v/20amp 2 slot breaker will be just fine per Neptune esp when I'm gonna play it safe and only have 1 on a seperate 220v line each....(i can figure out that much)

with a 100amp service and no load from 'central' air conditioning and no force air furnace (boiler very small pump) I should be just fine...and if not well....I can always use a "gas stove" to get over that hump..it MAY get iffy in that i probably will have to get a 220v window air conditioner unit to fight down these  2 beasts heat output in july/august...but if worse comes to worse i can stop using the stove/oven for 1 month and scrimp....should be doable.....(again the friendly gas company for stove/oven and clothes dryer would be happy to have me jump ship)....

thanks hopefully this is of help to anyone else as clueless as i am on all this

back to our regularly scheduled "speculation" on the perils of bitcoin and if knc will ship neptunes in time! (cue dramatic music....gets popcorn)

Searing

[DPoS]

Has anyone done the math on 10,000-25,000 units @ 1TH? What's that equate to? lol

why stop there..  since you are just using numbers of what they said they are capable of producing (regardless of sales) why not say 400,000 units in a month?

[vesperwillow]

Has anyone done the math on 10,000-25,000 units @ 1TH? What's that equate to? lol

why stop there..  since you are just using numbers of what they said they are capable of producing (regardless of sales) why not say 400,000 units in a month?

They were doing 5,000 round batches every month. They're sold out through May. That's not guesswork based on production capability. 5*4=20. I just added a few for the behind-the-door sales they did. Even 5,000 units @ 1TH is going to be a kick in the nuts, but the fact is, they've sold far more than that, and their plan is simple: The design works, so keep ordering supplies and keep shipping them.

By the time the Neptune ($10,000) hits in April or May, you could order more hash power for half the cost from Cointerra, and it should arrive the same time. Theirs will also include dual power supplies, which some folks here desire.

[Searing]

Has anyone done the math on 10,000-25,000 units @ 1TH? What's that equate to? lol

why stop there..  since you are just using numbers of what they said they are capable of producing (regardless of sales) why not say 400,000 units in a month?

They were doing 5,000 round batches every month. They're sold out through May. That's not guesswork based on production capability. 5*4=20. I just added a few for the behind-the-door sales they did. Even 5,000 units @ 1TH is going to be a kick in the nuts, but the fact is, they've sold far more than that, and their plan is simple: The design works, so keep ordering supplies and keep shipping them.

By the time the Neptune ($10,000) hits in April or May, you could order more hash power for half the cost from Cointerra, and it should arrive the same time. Theirs will also include dual power supplies, which some folks here desire.

you could very well be correct....as much as i like to mine and KNC ...the refund on neptunes is an option to keep in mind...of course if cointerra continues to just flood market 5k units at a time lowering prices thru summer and fall..not to mention everyone else...well bitcoin will have to go up in price as difficulty rises or it won't be worth the elec to run miners or host or even gh farm (not that i know what i'm talking about ..but that is what comes to mind with me) ...if it is a run away flood of hash for the rest of the year that is....imho ebay acceptance and others making bitcoin going mainstream would probably help balance this out...but without that ...well.....don't want to scare my little self (clings to his imaginary 38 btc hoard and wimpers)

Searing

[vesperwillow]

Has anyone done the math on 10,000-25,000 units @ 1TH? What's that equate to? lol

why stop there..  since you are just using numbers of what they said they are capable of producing (regardless of sales) why not say 400,000 units in a month?

They were doing 5,000 round batches every month. They're sold out through May. That's not guesswork based on production capability. 5*4=20. I just added a few for the behind-the-door sales they did. Even 5,000 units @ 1TH is going to be a kick in the nuts, but the fact is, they've sold far more than that, and their plan is simple: The design works, so keep ordering supplies and keep shipping them.

By the time the Neptune ($10,000) hits in April or May, you could order more hash power for half the cost from Cointerra, and it should arrive the same time. Theirs will also include dual power supplies, which some folks here desire.

you could very well be correct....as much as i like to mine and KNC ...the refund on neptunes is an option to keep in mind...of course if cointerra continues to just flood market 5k units at a time lowering prices thru summer and fall..not to mention everyone else...well bitcoin will have to go up in price as difficulty rises or it won't be worth the elec to run miners or host or even gh farm (not that i know what i'm talking about ..but that is what comes to mind with me) ...if it is a run away flood of hash for the rest of the year that is....imho ebay acceptance and others making bitcoin going mainstream would probably help balance this out...but without that ...well.....don't want to scare my little self (clings to his imaginary 38 btc hoard and wimpers)

Searing

I love KNC's quality, their design, their team, etc. I really do. But in this market I have to remain open to simple facts. Price and Delivery Window is key for folks who want to mine without losing money. KNC did fairly well their first time around, I'd give them an A-. This time around, it's not looking so good for the average consumer miner. I have no doubt their machine will likely be able to pump out 4-6TH, but that exceeds the power capabilities of the consumer miner.

So for the non-consumer the Neptune will likely still be profitable.

Blackarrow is also a proven small-scale adversary to KNC. They have shipped good equipment this past year, and in the next month they're supposed to be shipping more large scale.

I believe 2014 will be a ramping-up year for BTC value and certainly ASIC shipment. Unless BTC value continues to rise, I don't see home-mining being something for BTC beyond 2015. Early projections of course, but that's just my take.

I wanted to invest in Cointerra, Blackarrow and KNC months ago, but didn't have the money. Now that I do, it's just a little late. I'll keep up my current efforts with the equipment I have.

[lemonte]

I doubt home mining is going to be around by the end of the year, though Cointerra and KNC have both been up front about this. Everything in Bitcoin is evolving quickly at the moment, adoption is up, massive advances in mining, I just wish the price would follow suit. Here's hoping that once the China situation which seems to be hanging over everyone like a dark cloud is out of the way, we see the price improving.

I also think it's quickly going to turn into a 2 horse race.

[DPoS]

it's hilarious to think that just because miners piss a hugely lopsided ratio into obtaining newly rewarded coins that the price of all coins in circulation rises...

that doesn't drive the price up..  just drives up the pain for the late to the party miners