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[Arriemoller]

Does anyone have a link to the actual autopsy report?  

This is all we have so far.
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6933246/Derek-Chauvin-Complaint.pdf

"The Hennepin County Medical Examiner (ME) conducted Mr. Floyd’s autopsy on May 26, 2020. The full
report of the ME is pending but the ME has made the following preliminary findings. The autopsy revealed
no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had
underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The
combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any
potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death."

But, hey. Since I'm a racist I guess that's not a fact.

Edit: Note that although I posted this before Hairy edited his post to include the part of the report that he, as a leftie, think we should know about, I quoted the whole thing so that anyone can make up their own mind from ALL the facts.
As usual the left only gives you what supports their narrative.

[HairyMaclairy]

I am not going to have an argument with you over whether systemic racism (including in policing) exists in the US.  I’m just not. 

Believe whatever you want.   

[Arriemoller]

It's not a belief Hairy, its a fact.

[Toxic2040]

Be clear Arrie..its a fact for you. Our subjective experiences of what we call reality induces biases that are sometimes hard to peer around. Work on it is my advice.

[lightfoot]

An autopsy report talks about "potential intoxicants"?

 just might possibly be really bad wording for 'awaiting toxicology results that might show any intoxicants'.

Because let's face it: Black people are full of various drugs.

Although they should have put "gravitational effects from Jupiter may have contributed to his death as well. Happens, I'm sure.

[jojo69]

the flapping of a butterfly's wings...

[Arriemoller]

Be clear Arrie..its a fact for you. Our subjective experiences of what we call reality induces biases that are sometimes hard to peer around. Work on it is my advice.

No, facts are not subjective, that's just another leftist narrative.
Facts are facts and the rest is opinion.

[HairyMaclairy]

Ok you can join Roach and Ibian on ignore. 

[Arriemoller]

the flapping of a butterfly's wings...

Probably doesn't make any difference at all, but it does make for som good sci-fi books and movies.

[jbreher]

Crazy shit
https://imgur.com/gallery/gkteLds

This is what senseless rioting and looting will get you...mobilized military at your doorstep and on your street corner. They have the authority to command the public to comply with orders that normal cops don't. That's why you don't want martial law.

And to be fair, that idiot woman was told 3 times to get in her house and she didn't listen, just sat there filming. She's lucky it was just a paintball and not a rubber bullet.

her house Torque, that's the point

they come tell me I can't even be in my yard, on my fucking porch, we are going to have bigger problems

True jojo, I agree. But when the rioting mob shows up in your neighborhood to burn your house down, is that also going to be a bigger problem?

I'm not advocating for statist military, but there are two sides to this situation.

Like I said, when the people choose senseless looting and rioting over meaningful peaceful protest, this is what happens.

And when the cops start 'enforcing' illegitimate 'orders'? What happens then?

[Torque]

And when the cops start 'enforcing' illegitimate 'orders'? What happens then?

Then you fight back, of course.

Tell you what though, let's just get rid of the Police force all together. Too much of a hassle to deal with.

Let's start with Los Angeles, CA. Let's pull out all the cops, and completely disarm the citizens. Sound good?

With no more cops and no more guns, I'm told that it'll become an amazing utopia of peace and tranquility. That the criminals, gangs, & drug dealers will go outside, join hands with law-abiding citizens, and sing Kumbaya together. It'll be amazing, you'll see!

^{(Or, y'know, it'll become a fucking Mad Max apocalyptic hell hole within 48 hours)}

[Arriemoller]

Be clear Arrie..its a fact for you. Our subjective experiences of what we call reality induces biases that are sometimes hard to peer around. Work on it is my advice.

Read this, is my advice. https://keydifferences.com/difference-between-fact-and-opinion.html

Definition of Fact
The fact is something, that has actually taken place or known to have existed, which can be validated with pieces of evidence. They are strictly defined, and can be measured, observed and proven. It refers to something that makes statements true and used in connection with research and study.

A fact can be an event or information, based on real occurrences which can be tested through verifiability, i.e. they are supported by proofs, statistics, documentation, etc. Therefore, a fact is nothing but a verifiable truth or reality which are agreed upon by consensus of people.

Definition of Opinion
The term ‘opinion’ is defined as the personal view or judgment about a subject, that may or may not be substantiated by the facts or positive knowledge. In other words, an opinion is an inconclusive statement, used in subjective matters, which cannot be proved true or false. It is what a person thinks or feels about something or someone. Hence it is not a true but biased information.

Opinion is highly influenced by a person’s feelings, thoughts, perspective, desires, attitude, experiences, understanding, beliefs, values, etc., which cannot be tested by concrete evidence. Therefore, due to individual differences, every person’s opinion on a particular matter is also different.

"Key Differences Between Fact and Opinion
The difference between fact and opinion on the following grounds:

The fact is described as the statement that can be verified or proved to be true. Opinion is an expression of judgment or belief about something.
Fact relies on observation or research while opinion is based on assumption.
The fact is an objective reality whereas opinion is a subjective statement.
Facts can be verified with the help of evidence or statistics. On the contrary, opinion is not supported by any evidence.
Facts explain what actually happened. Unlike an opinion, that represents a perception about something.
One important feature of the fact is that it is universal and does not differ from person to person. As against this, every human being has a different opinion on a particular subject and so, it varies from one person to another.
Facts are shown with unbiased words, however, opinion is expressed with biased words.
Facts can change anybody’s opinion, but vice versa is not possible.
Facts are real information and so it cannot be challenged or debated, but if we talk about opinions, they can be debated."

[Arriemoller]

Ok you can join Roach and Ibian on ignore. 

Ok snowflake.

[jbreher]

And when the cops start 'enforcing' illegitimate 'orders'? What happens then?

Then you fight back, of course.

Tell you what though, let's just get rid of the Police force all together. Too much of a hassle to deal with.

Let's start with Los Angeles, CA. Let's pull out all the cops, and completely disarm the citizens. Sound good?

With no more cops and no more guns, I'm told that it'll become an amazing utopia of peace and tranquility. That the criminals, gangs, & drug dealers will go outside, join hands with law-abiding citizens, and sing Kumbaya together. It'll be amazing, you'll see!

^{(Or, y'know, it'll become a fucking Mad Max apocalyptic hell hole within 48 hours)}

Maybe I'm not understanding your intent, but it sounds to me like you are arguing two opposing sides of this issue. Let's start again? Do you believe that the person that was shot at in the video was in the wrong?

[STT]

he died from medical problems in conjunction with drugs, the cop did not kill him

Sounds alot like saying those with underlying problems will die from Corona so its not the superflu its just your underlying condition, easy diagnosis. 

[marcus_of_augustus]

he died from medical problems in conjunction with drugs, the cop did not kill him

Sounds alot like saying those with underlying problems will die from Corona so its not the superflu its just your underlying condition, easy diagnosis.  

... isn't it even worse that George Floyd was having a heart attack and the cops were kneeling all over him, and on his neck, instead of rendering assistance unlike psychopathic inhuman beasts, than if they simply executed him by asphyxiation from kneeling on his neck?

[infofront]

This is why we can't have nice things.

[marcus_of_augustus]

.... the instinctive reaction for the US authorities to put the military on the streets show this has a long way to go. The State is doubling-down on the State-sanctioned violence and oppression that has precipitated and inflamed the crisis, instead of seeking urgent and lasting resolutions inside their own agencies of the State where the problems clearly lie. The parallels with the bungling public health response to the pandemic inside public health state agencies is not coincidental but symptomatic of broad institutional decay and dysfunction.

It wont end until the whole of the militarized apparatus of State oppression is dismantled and scrapped now. The military should only ever be retained for defending against external threats, never turned upon the people who pay their wages, that's the final turn of the vicious spiral into anarchic civil war (suspension of habeas corpus). Police were only ever meant to be Officers of the Peace, never Law Enforcement. After total War the military hands over control of the streets to Officers of the Peace; militarisation of the police and putting military on the streets is naturally escalating society back to wartime conditions.

None of this is unexpected, it has been happening gradually in clear sight for those willing to see, only now it has accelerated to the point when it is plain for all to see. Effectively, USA is already in the early stages of a state of civil war.

[JimboToronto]

An autopsy report talks about "potential intoxicants"?

It's a preliminary report only, the final report is yet to come, presumably with a toxic report.

The coroners report is in, and he died from medical problems in conjunction with drugs, the cop did not kill him.

I see.

[lightfoot]

Ok you can join Roach and Ibian on ignore. 

Yeah, he wound up in my oubliette too. I hate putting people on ignore but it does make the thread much easier to read.