Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s

[tokona]

Heres the latested X1 renders, I believe these are pretty much final.
http://imgur.com/a/KrLrI

Sexy!

[bobsag3]

If BA wants to play like grown-ups and have an NDA in effect, then they should've raised the capital themselves to begin with instead of de facto crowdfunding.

NDA of any kind with a project like this is completely unacceptable.

Yet is required by Verisilicon, regardless of funding type.

[dropt]

Quick question about the renders, and I do not know anything about what a render means, but they are just questions I had when looking at them.

Where will the Ethernet port be located?  Some pictures have it on the front, others have it on the back?

Are those USB ports on the front of some of the renders?  What would that be used for?

Some of the renders have a small hole next to the on button, whats that for?

I like the screen and if it shows that information it would be cool, but will there be a way to turn them off?  I dont really need 10+ units stacked together each showing the exact same thing.

IDK if there are any answers for this yet, but just some things I was wondering from looking at the pictures.  

What is likely, from my experience, is that the people designing the case were given rough dimensions and were told "it's a PC".  So what you have here is a bunch of creative ideas/possibilities that have been generated by the case manufacturer and passed onto BA.  BA will then either choose one, or choose bits and pieces from all of them and then have more renders made.  Once the final design is approved, it gets signed off and sent to production.

Mind you, this is just my interpretation having done this type of work in the past.

[bobsag3]

If BA wants to play like grown-ups and have an NDA in effect, then they should've raised the capital themselves to begin with instead of de facto crowdfunding.

NDA of any kind with a project like this is completely unacceptable.

Yet is required by Verisilicon, regardless of funding type.

Verisilicon requires even approximate dates to be secret?

Yup.
Pretty much the entire thing is under NDA until after the NDA date is passed.

[Kaega]

Are they keeping these "surprises" under wraps for now cuz they don't want their competitors to catch wind?

This doesn't make monetary sense.  Hype sells units.  This is "suppress" tactics as they missed dates.  Just wait, they'll get a working unit, ship a handful and the hype will return as they slowly churn out units (read: BFL).

BlackArrow:  If you can, as others have insinuated, manufacture the entire backlog in a couple of weeks.  DO IT.  Build and ship to everyone and have READY product like AntMiner.  Selling shovels makes you rich, start building them.
 

[ernie-]

Are they keeping these "surprises" under wraps for now cuz they don't want their competitors to catch wind?

This doesn't make monetary sense.  Hype sells units.  This is "suppress" tactics as they missed dates.  Just wait, they'll get a working unit, ship a handful and the hype will return as they slowly churn out units (read: BFL).

BlackArrow:  If you can, as others have insinuated, manufacture the entire backlog in a couple of weeks.  DO IT.  Build and ship to everyone and have READY product like AntMiner.  Selling shovels makes you rich, start building them.
 

The developers Verisilicon are not the ones selling the units. Black Arrow are, so Verisilicon would be more interested in manipulating their own reputation than moving boxes.

[tokona]

BA needs to get their asses on fire, and build shit fast!

[Bluebark]

What is likely, from my experience, is that the people designing the case were given rough dimensions and were told "it's a PC".  So what you have here is a bunch of creative ideas/possibilities that have been generated by the case manufacturer and passed onto BA.  BA will then either choose one, or choose bits and pieces from all of them and then have more renders made.  Once the final design is approved, it gets signed off and sent to production.

Mind you, this is just my interpretation having done this type of work in the past.

That about sums it up...I like the first design. Stackable...I would leave one usb and move any other ports to the back for ease of cable mang. And the hot swap power supply is also nice.

[RHA]

And the hot swap power supply is also nice.

It won't be "hot swap" PSU. Yes, probably one could change it while it is still hot, but not without turning the device off.
(Such a thing is possible only with at least two PSUs working in parallel.)

[Lloydie]

If BA wants to play like grown-ups and have an NDA in effect, then they should've raised the capital themselves to begin with instead of de facto crowdfunding.

NDA of any kind with a project like this is completely unacceptable.

Yet is required by Verisilicon, regardless of funding type.

Then post the NDA. let's all look at it. Please stop posting about fucking cases, nobody gives a shit. We only care that we are losing money. Also, we have no idea you haven't taken over dz coop and basically perpetuated mass fraud on trusting members of the coop. MATT CARSON, remember that fucking name. If you don't go down with this, I will always stay well clear from you, now and in the future.

[jimmothy]

If BA wants to play like grown-ups and have an NDA in effect, then they should've raised the capital themselves to begin with instead of de facto crowdfunding.

NDA of any kind with a project like this is completely unacceptable.

Yet is required by Verisilicon, regardless of funding type.

Then post the NDA. let's all look at it. Please stop posting about fucking cases, nobody gives a shit. We only care that we are losing money. Also, we have no idea you haven't taken over dz coop and basically perpetuated mass fraud on trusting members of the coop. MATT CARSON, remember that fucking name. If you don't go down with this, I will always stay well clear from you, now and in the future.

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[Bluebark]

And the hot swap power supply is also nice.

It won't be "hot swap" PSU. Yes, probably one could change it while it is still hot, but not without turning the device off.
(Such a thing is possible only with at least two PSUs working in parallel.)

I understand but the design is "Hot Swap" but now that you mention it....is the X-3 going to have redundent PSUs? Hot Swap? or at least swap-able?

[darcimer]

BobSag,

Quick question about the batch 1 minersource customers..  Do we have to do anything special to register for the 25% cloudhashing beginning May1?  Are we automatically in the system, or should we go into minersource and sign up for the 4 month rent-a-minion(500 ghs, or whatever 25% is?)with a a promotional code or something?  Or is this just part of your paperwork?  We at least have to give you payout addresses etc.. I know we have 3 months, and you have plenty going on, so let us know how we can help..

~D

[smooth]

Then post the NDA. let's all look at it.

The NDA is under NDA.

"Its NDAs all the way down."

[FlappySocks]

I was a previous BA customer (which can be verified on these forums).  We got talking.  I went to meet them.  They came to meet me.  I signed up.  I met Matt for the first time this week.  No other connection.

[bobsag3]

Also I would like clarification on what the 25% bonus hashing refers to.  People keep saying its 500 GHs for an X-3, but since the chip runs at 120 GHs now, or 2.4 THs per X-3, shouldn't we all be receiving  600GHs per X-3 ordered?  this I believe has never been answered, and I would like clarification, because 2 months from now, BA could come out and say they are using the original specifications for this calculation and base it off of the, I believe it was 80 GHs per chip (don't quote me on that), and give us under 500 GHs per X-3 purchased. So some clarification would be nice.

120 is the new top speed of the chip, the nominal speed is still 100 per chip, therefore 1th per X3.


And Yeah, never met any of the other resellers until the meeting.... didnt even know we have a AUS reseller until then!

[bobsag3]

And Yeah, never met any of the other resellers until the meeting.... didnt even know we have a AUS reseller until then!

I'm taken aback that you weren't aware of the AUS reseller, given that it was announced on Black Arrow's site on Feb. 1, 2014 making a grand total of three resellers, otherwise BA would have added them in a timely manner as they have done so in the past: http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/index.php?dispatch=news.list&sl=en

At least you had the pleasure of meeting the other two resellers, yourself and Flappy. Still odd that the BA guys you met up with never mentioned Ryan Krylyszyn of Rival.

~Bruno Kucinskas

PS: I hope nobody mentions Alex Berk before I do.

Yeah- evidently it happened the weekend before the meeting, and as you can imagine having a new reseller was the last of my worries after the delay announcement. I think i spent ~4 hours on the phone that weekend with AA to get the dam flight over to the UK.

[Unacceptable]

And Yeah, never met any of the other resellers until the meeting.... didnt even know we have a AUS reseller until then!

I'm taken aback that you weren't aware of the AUS reseller, given that it was announced on Black Arrow's site on Feb. 1, 2014 making a grand total of three resellers, otherwise BA would have added them in a timely manner as they have done so in the past: http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/index.php?dispatch=news.list&sl=en

At least you had the pleasure of meeting the other two resellers, yourself and Flappy. Still odd that the BA guys you met up with never mentioned Ryan Krylyszyn of Rival.

~Bruno Kucinskas

PS: I hope nobody mentions Alex Berk before I do.

Yeah- evidently it happened the weekend before the meeting, and as you can imagine having a new reseller was the last of my worries after the delay announcement. I think i spent ~4 hours on the phone that weekend with AA to get the dam flight over to the UK.

You may have spent ~4 hours on the phone to book a flight to the UK for something that could have easily been done over the internet, but I've been at this desk most all day today doing nothing but researching Black Arrow.

Soon, you'll learn that that third reseller should have been your main worry, right after I finish penning my next post for this thread.

Stay tuned, bud.

~Bruno Kucinskas

PS: And, not a single one of you bastards that I hope to enlighten is kind enough to fetch me a fresh cup of coffee. Madness! 

Thanks for all you do,but get a coffee outta Josh,I'm sure you got SOMETHING left over from that 10 BTC 

[Unacceptable]

And Yeah, never met any of the other resellers until the meeting.... didnt even know we have a AUS reseller until then!

I'm taken aback that you weren't aware of the AUS reseller, given that it was announced on Black Arrow's site on Feb. 1, 2014 making a grand total of three resellers, otherwise BA would have added them in a timely manner as they have done so in the past: http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/index.php?dispatch=news.list&sl=en

At least you had the pleasure of meeting the other two resellers, yourself and Flappy. Still odd that the BA guys you met up with never mentioned Ryan Krylyszyn of Rival.

~Bruno Kucinskas

PS: I hope nobody mentions Alex Berk before I do.

Yeah- evidently it happened the weekend before the meeting, and as you can imagine having a new reseller was the last of my worries after the delay announcement. I think i spent ~4 hours on the phone that weekend with AA to get the dam flight over to the UK.

You may have spent ~4 hours on the phone to book a flight to the UK for something that could have easily been done over the internet, but I've been at this desk most all day today doing nothing but researching Black Arrow.

Soon, you'll learn that that third reseller should have been your main worry, right after I finish penning my next post for this thread.

Stay tuned, bud.

~Bruno Kucinskas

PS: And, not a single one of you bastards that I hope to enlighten is kind enough to fetch me a fresh cup of coffee. Madness! 

Thanks for all you do,but get a coffee outta Josh,I'm sure you got SOMETHING left over from that 10 BTC 

Will you at least give me a pat on the back if my next post is worth your wild? 

Sure,you've done a lot good investigating bro,but you get a little zealous with how you do it.Be civil & more folks will pay attention,whats that saying about vinegar & sugar  

[RickJamesBTC]

There are so many posts it is impossible to figure out what happened. Did black arrow just fuck everyone for three months from the super duper promised delivery date? Damn I'm glad nobody ever responded to my emails about how to order 20 of the X3s !!!