Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s

[david105396]

I'm not the new PR representative. I've been very busy the past while, but now I have finally found some extra time for the bitcointalk forum.

[RickJamesBTC]

Lol, quick, everyone change their signature file to read "Black Arrow Support" and you can all be black arrow people too!  Don't forget to give him your credit card ##

[david105396]

You can have Matt confirm who I am. Or look at the ecointalk forum if you would like to check.

[sticky]

I'm not the new PR representative. I've been very busy the past while, but now I have finally found some extra time for the bitcointalk forum.

Why even bother? You haven't answered a single question on the other forum, so why would you come over here?

"Looking into it", "I'll ask about that"," Update soon". Just stop. You're just making everyone more pissed with the bullshit "answers and updates".

If it's not pictures of product or official announcements that contain actual information, don't post!

[david105396]

It may not look that way to you but I actually do my very best to get to the bottom of things, and get as much information as possible. However like I have said before, not everything can be released and that is not up to me. If there are people having problems with orders, shipping and other tickets I can look into what is happening there and why it hasn't been resolved yet. 

[david105396]

Well I haven't had time to read the entire thread here, so forgive me if I'm wrong. Is your concern about the Chinese New Years or is it about something different?

[david105396]

Well TinkerTom mainly explained it. With the initial plans we had taken into account that everybody, or almost everybody, would be away. This was before the redesigning of the chips to achieve the better power efficiency. Because the redesign was not planned it did not fit into the schedule with the Chinese New Year. So the Chinese New Year wasn't supposed to affect us, but it did with the changes.

[david105396]

Not all of us are in Europe. I can't say who is and who isn't. But yes I am in Europe at the moment.

[jimmothy]

This is what happens when a company decides not to be public; people do their own digging. And whether or not some stuff is true or some stuff is false will fall on deaf ears because y'all chose to be as private and secretive as possible.

What made them lose your trust? Giving updates about delays? You ordered from a private company and because they had delays you want them to transform into a public company?

They have responded to nearly all of the questions (most retarded/unhelpful like yours) in this thread so I don't know how that makes them as secretive as possible.


I am almost starting to think this is just a PG alt account

[Starlightbreaker]

Remember Cablepair!!!

now he's namedropping.

lol.

[raskul]

this is all beginning to look like a massive FRAUD

'some of us are in europe, some of us are not, but nahnahnahnahnah nah, we're not telling you.'

stinks of fraud to me.

And the guy who's been bringing this to light keeps getting his posts deleted from this thread, sans a comment from said deleter to address ANY concerns his investomers have, in spite of it was them who put Black Arrow where they supposedly are now--flush with bitcoins.

Make no mistake, it's Alex Sovu, a convicted felon, who's behind Black Arrow, putting in place layers, read resellers, between said entity and their/his investomers, with the resellers conducting the sales, including their very own Rival downunder in the land of OZ.

My family and I (a proper group buy) were looking in november/december last year which equipment to pre-order. to upgrade our garage space...
Black Arrow website wasn't long on the screen before we just looked at each other, and shook our heads.

just saying.

[jimmothy]

this is all beginning to look like a massive FRAUD

'some of us are in europe, some of us are not, but nahnahnahnahnah nah, we're not telling you.'

stinks of fraud to me.

And the guy who's been bringing this to light keeps getting his posts deleted from this thread, sans a comment from said deleter to address ANY concerns his investomers have, in spite of it was them who put Black Arrow where they supposedly are now--flush with bitcoins.

Make no mistake, it's Alex Sovu, a convicted felon, who's behind Black Arrow, putting in place layers, read resellers, between said entity and their/his investomers, with the resellers conducting the sales, including their very own Rival downunder in the land of OZ.

My family and I (a proper group buy) were looking in november/december last year which equipment to pre-order. to upgrade our garage space...
Black Arrow website wasn't long on the screen before we just looked at each other, and shook our heads.

just saying.

You fudsters aren't even trying anymore are you?

[Slander]

Its become the same few guys having fun together in a room. What's the name for the? Oh ya, circle jerk.

[raskul]

whenever anyone voices an opinion which is contrary to what you believe, you call it FUD and begin a barrage of abuse.
the reasonable mind would debate such opinions, but you clearly have no opinion of your own, but to follow blindly.

may I just add this note:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20140116220015_TSMC_Begins_Volume_Production_of_Chips_Using_20nm_Process_Technology.html

^this was the first announcement of a 20nm tapeout. please also note my opinion - NONE of these first 20nm chips are being used in bitcoin mining rigs, so your 'expectations' that black arrow have ditched 28nm and are going for 20nm, is, unfortuately for you, laughable.

"Earlier TSMC indicated that the first five products to be made using 20nm fabrication process were designed for mobile computing, CPU and PLD [programmable logic device] industries."


best luck with your 'pre-order' (sometime around 2015 q3 delivery)  

[jimmothy]

whenever anyone voices an opinion which is contrary to what you believe, you call it FUD and begin a barrage of abuse.
the reasonable mind would debate such opinions, but you clearly have no opinion of your own, but to follow blindly.

may I just add this note:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/other/display/20140116220015_TSMC_Begins_Volume_Production_of_Chips_Using_20nm_Process_Technology.html

^this was the first announcement of a 20nm tapeout. please also note my opinion - NONE of these first 20nm chips are being used in bitcoin mining rigs, so your 'expectations' that black arrow have ditched 28nm and are going for 20nm, is, unfortuately for you, laughable.

best luck with your 'pre-order' (sometime around 2015 q3 delivery)  

You are so uninformed it is painful to read.

First of all, FUD is fear, uncertainty and doubt, which is exactly what you and the other circle jerking fudsters are doing.

Second: I make my opinions based on facts. Black arrow has, in fact, produced and sold working bitcoin FPGAs and bitfury asics.

Third: Where did you hear that this is the first 20nm tapeout? Intel has had 20nm chips since 2012 and probably prototypes long before then.

Fourth: Only one person made the speculation that they ditched 28nm for 20nm. How did you come to assume that all of us think this? It is ridiculous to imagine BA can just simply switch to 20nm from 28nm.

Fifth: Why are you bashing preorders now when you literally just said you and your family were considering them?

[terrapinflyer]

whenever anyone voices an opinion which is contrary to what you believe, you call it FUD and begin a barrage of abuse.
the reasonable mind would debate such opinions, but you clearly have no opinion of your own, but to follow blindly.

best luck with your 'pre-order' 

Fear, uncertainty and doubt (FUD) is a tactic used in sales, marketing, public relations, politics and propaganda.

FUD is generally a strategic attempt to influence perception by disseminating negative and dubious or false information.

Yea, seems like FUD to me. Without actual facts all you are doing is speculating. You are more than entitled to speculate but dont get so upset when someone disagrees with your OPINION. By coming to this thread and spouting accusations of fraud you are causing distractions and spreading more speculative rumors. PG has made a thread for that, please keep you FUD over there. PG has actually done some work to find facts, at this point he is the only one who has made an attempt to be an effective fear monger.

[raskul]

Third: Where did you hear that this is the first 20nm tapeout? Intel has had 20nm chips since 2012 and probably prototypes long before then.

because intel are providing bitcoin miner manufacturers with chips, clearly.
you just make it all up as you go along.

[jimmothy]

Third: Where did you hear that this is the first 20nm tapeout? Intel has had 20nm chips since 2012 and probably prototypes long before then.

because intel are providing bitcoin miner manufacturers with chips, clearly.

So you admit that TSMC is clearly not the first to make 20nm chips?

I  just make it all up as I go along.

FTFY

[jimmothy]

Third: Where did you hear that this is the first 20nm tapeout? Intel has had 20nm chips since 2012 and probably prototypes long before then.

because intel are providing bitcoin miner manufacturers with chips, clearly.

So you admit that TSMC is clearly not the first to make 20nm chips?

I  just make it all up as I go along.

FTFY

as i said, good luck with your pre-order.
and yes, that was the first mass tapeout of 20nm chips. the news was released on the 17th january 2014, and the article states there are 10 or so clients already in place.. further fab will not commence until may 2014.

so while you are at home chugging away on your anticipation of 20nm chips, i'm busy hashing.

don't get me wrong, I DO want you to have your rig, i DO want you to be part of the network and i DO want you to be profitable in everything you do. I'm simply putting some realism into the greed I see afore me.

again, all I am saying, stinks of FRAUD - i hope that I am wrong.

You stink of FUD

[quantguy]

Dear Black Arrow, please come over here and write some meaningful response in this thread.