Devcoin

[Tywill]

Thanks Unthinkingbit and jasin.

Also I'd recommend that all of the administrators join the #devcoin IRC channel on freenode.net, in case people need help with devcoin. There are already a few people idling in the channel daily, but it'd be cool to get the channel more active! Unthinkingbit, maybe you could add the IRC channel info to the 1st post of this thread?

good idea, this thread is entirely too long.  I got to page 5 and got burned out. An IRC channel would be easier.

[Unthinkingbit]

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Unthinkingbit, maybe you could add the IRC channel info to the 1st post of this thread?

Good idea, I added it to the first post:
https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=34586.msg430630#msg430630

as:
IRC Channel: #devcoin on freenode.net

[Vlad2Vlad]

Looks like FinShaggy is devcoining local subforums with google-translated posts (ouch)
I repaired the one on the French forum 

I just wanted to get it out there. More than just America needs to know about the coins. If anyone can actually speak other languages, please go add to the discussion, or make your own devcoin thread.

I'm fluent Romanian and Romania is in the EU and they have about 20 million citiziens which for a europen country is in the top 5 or so and most are computer literate. Like more than me literate.  I can see if I can spread the word on some popular Romanian sites.  Like evz.ro and others which many read in the us and over there.  there's millions of Romanians in America and in countries like Italy, spain and france.  Many are little gangasters but they're still on computers a lot.

[FinShaggy]

Looks like FinShaggy is devcoining local subforums with google-translated posts (ouch)
I repaired the one on the French forum 

I just wanted to get it out there. More than just America needs to know about the coins. If anyone can actually speak other languages, please go add to the discussion, or make your own devcoin thread.

I'm fluent Romanian and Romania is in the EU and they have about 20 million citiziens which for a europen country is in the top 5 or so and most are computer literate. Like more than me literate.  I can see if I can spread the word on some popular Romanian sites.  Like evz.ro and others which many read in the us and over there.  there's millions of Romanians in America and in countries like Italy, spain and france.  Many are little gangasters but they're still on computers a lot.

Thanks
I made a thread in the Romanian section too if you want to add to it

[Vlad2Vlad]

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Thanks
I made a thread in the Romanian section too if you want to add to it

Where's the Romanian section?

Congrats on the promoter bump to admin.

I have a feeling you're gonna be shameless promoter, Don King style.  Those are the best.  Good luck to you bro.


Edit:  Most don't know this but the world's top hackers not just in massive theft from banks and hacking in nasa, pentagon, etc, but also by sheer total percentage are in Romania.  They're around 38% of total hackers in the world (per capita I think).  Way ahead of  Russia and china and when you consider most are making less than $300 per month (similar to Russia) and their total population is only 20 million compare to hundreds of million in Russia and then 1.6 Billion in china the fact they do nearly 40% of the hacks in the world is just mind boggling.  They have stolen millions from banks like BofA, I have met a couple personally.  Most were kids, 15-21 with no college training.  Simply amazing talent.  This is why you can't use US cards in many parts of Romania cause of the massive hacks they do there.

My point is They're very talented and many with no jobs or crummy jobs.  Guys like that can probably do a lot of programming work for considerably less dilution one would pay a programmer in the US or say a country like Germany.  I think devcoin is in good need of top programmers like that.

Edit 2:  Here's a recent Bloomberg link showing Romania at number 7 globally for hacking but I'm certain I saw them at the top spot just like 1 week ago. At any rate, for such a small country with so many poor kids who can't afford college that's crazy.  We can get guys there to program for nothing, $500 per month is considered a top notch salary for a programmer.  

http://www.romania-insider.com/bloomberg-romania-ranks-7-in-the-world-for-hacking-and-cyber-attacks-still-on-the-rise/97612/

[FinShaggy]

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Thanks
I made a thread in the Romanian section too if you want to add to it

Where's the Romanian section?

Congrats on the promoter bump to admin.

I have a feeling you're gonna be shameless promoter, Don King style.  Those are the best.  Good luck to you bro.

Here's the Romanian Section
https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=216321.new#new

Thanks

[FinShaggy]

Thanks
I made a thread in the Romanian section too if you want to add to it

Where's the Romanian section?

Congrats on the promoter bump to admin.

I have a feeling you're gonna be shameless promoter, Don King style.  Those are the best.  Good luck to you bro.


Edit:  Most don't know this but the world's top hackers not just in massive theft from banks and hacking in nasa, pentagon, etc, but also by sheer total percentage is Romania.  They're around 38% of total hackers in the world.  Way ahead of  Russia and china and when you consider most are making less than $300 per month (like in Russia) and their total population is only 20 million compare to hundreds of million in Russia and then 1.6 Billion in china the fact they do nearly 40% of the hacks in the world is just mind boggling. 

They're very talented and many with no jobs or crummy jobs.  Guys like that can probably do a lot of programming work for considerably less dilution one would pay a programmer in the US or say a country like Germany.  I think devcoin is in good need of top programmers like that.

That would be pretty AWESOME to be the Don King of Devcoin.
I have some friends that are rappers, and we have plans to make a song and I am going to do the ad-libs, so I can get known for that too. Like OJ the Juice man, just saying "Ok"-"Yeah"-"Huh"-"What?" between lines

That's crazy that they have so much computing power and knowledge

[Vlad2Vlad]

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Thanks
I made a thread in the Romanian section too if you want to add to it

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Here's the Romanian Section
https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=216321.new#new

Thanks
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That wasn't a room site.  It was a site about why bbq coin took off and what makes it so special.  I just checked and posted but not a work about romos. 

[FinShaggy]

That wasn't a room site.  It was a site about why bbq coin took off and what makes it so special.  I just checked and posted but not a work about romos. 

Sorry, idk how that happened. Here: https://asktom.cf/index.php?board=108.0

[Vlad2Vlad]

That wasn't a room site.  It was a site about why bbq coin took off and what makes it so special.  I just checked and posted but not a work about romos. 

Sorry, idk how that happened. Here: https://asktom.cf/index.php?board=108.0

Thanks, that worked.  I left a few posts trying to get an idea what they're doing and where most are located.  in eruoped most are all over western Europe, they still can't easily get a visa for the US.  Very diffilut indeed but definitely a pool of talented programmers and hackers.  I read somewhere that companies like FAcebook go after hackers first before your normal programmer graduate.  They place high value on hackers for their guts and creativity.  And Romania sure has tons of those.

[FinShaggy]

That wasn't a room site.  It was a site about why bbq coin took off and what makes it so special.  I just checked and posted but not a work about romos.  

Sorry, idk how that happened. Here: https://asktom.cf/index.php?board=108.0

Thanks, that worked.  I left a few posts trying to get an idea what they're doing and where most are located.  in eruoped most are all over western Europe, they still can't easily get a visa for the US.  Very diffilut indeed but definitely a pool of talented programmers and hackers.  I read somewhere that companies like FAcebook go after hackers first before your normal programmer graduate.  They place high value on hackers for their guts and creativity.  And Romania sure has tons of those.

I am starting some charities and other organizations, and I can help them get in and sign for work visas. I want to do it all over the world.

[Vlad2Vlad]

I am starting some charities and other organizations, and I can help them get in and sign for work visas. I want to do it all over the world.

Charities are ok but these guys you can give them literally like 1/3 of a share for the same work a programmer would do here.  They have the computers to work on but not the $2,000 rigs to mine with.  There won't be many miners there.  Even .25% so 1/4 of a share for programming work would be great as programmers there if you're lucky to find a job and most don't make between $300 and max $500 per month.  

I met tons of Romanian engineers, programmers, lawyers with no jobs working as waiters for $150 per month.

Romania can definitely be the place where you find tons of programmers and hackers to do your work without severely diluting the shares because if we're going global this will grow faster than exponential, could be closer to logarithmic growth for the first couple years which means each share will shrink to something much much smaller which may then cause the loss of talent here.  So lets keep the cost of living in mind and average wage for that country.  In Romania the average apt rents for $100.  So they do get by with $300-$500 per month.

As for work visas.  Good luck.  I've been trying to get my bro-in-law here for 7 years. No go. It has to be a field the US needs workers for but then they're likely to go work there and not here for you. They can do the programming work from there as they have the necessary tools.  Romanians are very clever, they're known as the thieves of Europe. Caution.

[weisoq]

New exchange:crypto-trade.com. I've made a wide DVC/BTC market just to test it, get things going. Looking relatively cheap on vircurex if only I knew how to use the open transaction server...

[FinShaggy]

I am starting some charities and other organizations, and I can help them get in and sign for work visas. I want to do it all over the world.

1. Charities are ok but these guys you can give them literally like 1/3 of a share for the same work a programmer would do here.  They have the computers to work on but not the $2,000 rigs to mine with.  There won't be many miners there.  Even .25% so 1/4 of a share for programming work would be great as programmers there if you're lucky to find a job and most don't make between $300 and max $500 per month.  

I met tons of Romanian engineers, programmers, lawyers with no jobs working as waiters for $150 per month.

2. Romania can definitely be the place where you find tons of programmers and hackers to do your work without severely diluting the shares because if we're going global this will grow faster than exponential, could be closer to logarithmic growth for the first couple years which means each share will shrink to something much much smaller which may then cause the loss of talent here.  So lets keep the cost of living in mind and average wage for that country.  In Romania the average apt rents for $100.  So they do get by with $300-$500 per month.

3. As for work visas.  Good luck.  I've been trying to get my bro-in-law here for 7 years. No go. It has to be a field the US needs workers for but then they're likely to go work there and not here for you. They can do the programming work from there as they have the necessary tools.  Romanians are very clever, they're known as the thieves of Europe. Caution.

1. That's cool, I am saying I can give them jobs with those charities that pay better than Romanian jobs.

2. Again, cool

3. I do not plan on getting them regular work visas. Have you heard about the "Extraordinary Talent" visa? You could get into America just for being a porn star, or being a comedian or anything like that.

[TaxReturn]

I just noticed that user pages are apparently editable by any user, this is not good. It's only a matter of time until someone goes around replacing payment addresses and article links and some will notice too late, if ever. Manual control will only work so long, there needs to be a lock on user pages to make them editable by just the individual users themselves.

[psybits]

I just noticed that user pages are apparently editable by any user, this is not good. It's only a matter of time until someone goes around replacing payment addresses and article links and some will notice too late, if ever. Manual control will only work so long, there needs to be a lock on user pages to make them editable by just the individual users themselves.

This needs to be fixed asap if this is true. Well spotted TaxReturn!

[ranlo]

I think there's already some form of protection from that, though I don't know the specifics. I think it has to do with our payment addresses being in the actual list that we can NOT edit, and the one on our page just being "transparency." I could be misunderstanding this though.

[FinShaggy]

I just noticed that user pages are apparently editable by any user, this is not good. It's only a matter of time until someone goes around replacing payment addresses and article links and some will notice too late, if ever. Manual control will only work so long, there needs to be a lock on user pages to make them editable by just the individual users themselves.

I believe Unthinkingbit keeps backups, so if it ever happens he can just upload it back to its regular self.

[Vlad2Vlad]

Probably worth pointing out that devtome articles have to be in english for the moment.

Aw, really? We should work on setting up a "Translate each others work for Devcoins" program. And get even the stuff we already have put in other languages.

I would like to translate some devtome material to spanish, at the moment the translators list works to have the work of foreign language speakers translated to english and upload it to devtome

Is this really necessary at this stage of limited resources along with a very low and dropping devcoin price?  I'm saying, our energies might be better spent on getting the word out to these various countries but as far as original content, if you're manually translating someone else's work it takes time as you're bound to run into issues and have to constantly communicate with the original author to make sure you get the correct meaning and other types of inefficiencies.  

Let's keep in mind that with each passing month devcoin dumps 180,000,000 more coins on the market - directly or indirectly regardless of how many shares are earned or not.  We need to reach an inflection point as soon as possible where devcoin is seeing some reasonable revenues to at least combat the constant dilution by spending some of those revenues buying devcoins off the market and retiring them.  

In order to do that the current plan is perfect.  We have various individuals good at their respective given admin jobs and that should be the major focus.  While it is a great plan to get devcoin's user base as far and as deep around the world, manually translating what will in no time be hundreds of articles would be a huge drain on resources and to pay 2 people shares for the same article is also going to be a drag on efficiencies.

As for translating from English to other languages, if it's your own article and you don't mind putting the effort in it then I guesss that's up to each person.  But form being in Europe a few times over the last few years what I saw is that most people use things like google translate and although it's not perfect, it's very satisfactory for them.  And let's also keep in mind that many many million so people worldwide already speak decent to fluent English so any one English article's audience go far beyond the 300 Million potential American audience.  It's easily over 1 billion given entire continents such as Africa, Europe and a considerable Asian countries speak English very well.  

That's my 2 cents and I know, another big post but I really had to hit on each point and explain based on my first hand experience as a foreigner and living abroad in various European countries for quite a while.  FOCUS.  When resouces are scarce as they are now then Focus is key, that and sticking to our key competencies.  

Devcoin is the first and so far by far the leader in what will soon be a new market for half currency and half stocks.  Which is why last night I took the liberty of buying all the CryptoStocks websites.  the .com one  was taken but I got the rest as well as the crypto-stocks as I really belive this model which devcoin has pioneered will be the next phase for all these coins looking to add some legitimacy to their name and coins to add a hard base, support under their otherwise worthless virtual coins.

[jackjack]

I just noticed that user pages are apparently editable by any user, this is not good. It's only a matter of time until someone goes around replacing payment addresses and article links and some will notice too late, if ever. Manual control will only work so long, there needs to be a lock on user pages to make them editable by just the individual users themselves.

I believe Unthinkingbit keeps backups, so if it ever happens he can just upload it back to its regular self.

I'm not sure he would check every page
Someone can make a bot though (I can if nobody has the time)