Do you trust the co-vid19 vaccine ?

[Tash]

Compulsory workplace vaccination rules cannot apply to vegans
https://web.archive.org/web/20210729231718/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/07/29/compulsory-workplace-vaccination-rules-cannot-apply-vegans/

Cancer Enzymes in  "normal" Vaccines, not the covid shot
https://hwaairfan.wordpress.com/2017/06/06/murdered-doctors-who-discovered-cancer-enzymes-in-vaccines/

[beertoll]

Compulsory workplace vaccination rules cannot apply to vegans
https://web.archive.org/web/20210729231718/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/07/29/compulsory-workplace-vaccination-rules-cannot-apply-vegans/

Cancer Enzymes in  "normal" Vaccines, not the covid shot
https://hwaairfan.wordpress.com/2017/06/06/murdered-doctors-who-discovered-cancer-enzymes-in-vaccines/

Nagalase (also called alpha-N-acetylgalactosaminidase) is not known to be in any vaccine, based on the fact-sheets by the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Oxford University’s Vaccine Knowledge Project. The claim that it is present in vaccines is unsupported.

Sources: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/additives.htm

Nagalase is naturally produced by the body and is not inherently harmful. In fact, the enzyme is needed to enable cells to digest glycolipids.

https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/claims-that-vaccines-contain-cancer-enzymes-fail-to-understand-what-the-enzyme-nagalase-actually-is-disclosetv/

The article about doctors was removed from the original site when it was debunked.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2017/apr/04/blog-posting/doctors-deaths-were-not-connected-fake-news-websit/

Then the article was enhanced with more lies (like increasing their number of doctors from a few to 70 and hiding their names so nothing can be verified) and reposted on free wordpress blogs and forums.

[Natsuu]

Yeah, if you put markers where vaccines went into widespread use (if they even did in some of those regions) it shows clearly what snake-oil salesmen the people are who are claiming that vaccines did much of anything.

Actual data about vaccines:

An infographic to illustrate the numbers about measles:

Source: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/polio.html#:~:text=The%20case%20fatality%20ratio%20for,to%2075%25%20with%20bulbar%20involvement.




This graph illustrates the number of pertussis cases reported to CDC from 1922 to 2019. Following the introduction of pertussis vaccines in the 1940s when case counts frequently exceeded 100,000 cases per year, reports declined dramatically to fewer than 10,000 by 1965.
Source: https://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/surv-reporting.html


Tetanus (diphtheria)


Several factors have contributed to the decline in tetanus morbidity and mortality, including the widespread use of tetanus toxoid–containing vaccines since the late 1940s. Other factors include improved wound care and postexposure use of tetanus immune globulin (TIG), either for prophylaxis in wound management or for treatment of tetanus. In addition, increased rural-to-urban migration with consequent decreased exposure to tetanus spores may also have contributed to the decline in tetanus mortality noted during the first half of the 20th century.

Source: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/surv-manual/chpt16-tetanus.html



Source: https://ourworldindata.org/polio

The first polio vaccine was available in the United States in 1955. Thanks to the widespread use of polio vaccine, the United States has been polio-free since 1979.


Source: https://ourworldindata.org/polio

The only thing I can't understand thoroughly is why bother posting nonsense shits and faking it. Does it actually do something in this community? is there any rewards or something for posting such things?

If there is, then ok, but if there's not... Just why?

[Porfirii]

Damn,

A regional politician in my country is asking the President of the Government to make mandatory the vaccination of the entire population because "a 5% or 7% of negationists can mess up things for everyone".

Are we crazy!? How non vaccinated people can do any harm to the ones already vaccinated?

In addition, in some regions, it is starting to be mandatory to show the Covid Passport in order to be able to have lunch or dinner at a restaurant.

[beertoll]

Damn,

A regional politician in my country is asking the President of the Government to make mandatory the vaccination of the entire population because "a 5% or 7% of negationists can mess up things for everyone".

Are we crazy!? How non vaccinated people can do any harm to the ones already vaccinated?

In addition, in some regions, it is starting to be mandatory to show the Covid Passport in order to be able to have lunch or dinner at a restaurant.

Some vaccines are already mandatory and have been for many decades,  before some people were born.

Some people who are against vaccines have been vaccinated for a number of diseases and just don't realize it.

For example, in the US, each state decides which vaccines are required for children before enrollment and attendance at childcare facilities or schools.

Some professions require mandatory vaccinations as well.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/records/schools.html
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/imz-managers/laws/index.html

For the state of Illinois the minimum requirement for mandatory vaccines is:
Diphtheria
Pertussis
Tetanus
Polio
Measles
Rubella
Mumps
Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib)
Invasive Pneumococcal Disease
Hepatitis B
Varicella
Meningococcal Disease

Virtually every country has a list of mandatory vaccines. You can check requirements on your country's health department website and find out what is already mandatory in your country and learn that you have been vaccinated against a bunch of diseases and realize that one more mandatory vaccine is not as big of a deal as people make it.

Regarding why is it important for as many people as possible to get the COVID vaccine, there are several reasons, one of them is to not let the virus mutate in unvaccinated and create new variants that can infect vaccinated.
You can read more here if you are genuinely interested:
https://www.clickondetroit.com/health/2021/05/03/why-is-it-important-for-as-many-people-as-possible-to-get-the-covid-vaccine/

[Porfirii]

A regional politician in my country is asking the President of the Government to make mandatory the vaccination of the entire population because "a 5% or 7% of negationists can mess up things for everyone".

Some vaccines are already mandatory and have been for many decades,  before some people were born.

I agree, but all the vaccines in your list have passed the legal pre-clinical and clinical trials and are proven to be safe to use.

But we are not talking about these, but about a new therapy that has just a few months of research.

I do understand that taking into account the emergency in all the world and the threat for some elderly and vulnerable people, they are helping many people for whom it is less the risk of the vaccine than of the virus; but making mandatory for all, young and children with a near zero risk of dying from Covid included, without knowing the side-efects in the mid-long term, is just insane to me.

I have worked for a biotech and here you are the typical timeline prescripted for any drugs (without the preclinical phase which should be added); taking into account that a vaccine, genic therapy or whatever can be much riskier than any typical drug, it is my opinion that no one should be forced to get it at least for now. Because if we agree, what will be next? Would you really like every children in the world to be inyected with something you don't know which effects could have in, say, 5 years? I don't think we should let any Government to make experiments with the entire population mandatory.

[beertoll]

A regional politician in my country is asking the President of the Government to make mandatory the vaccination of the entire population because "a 5% or 7% of negationists can mess up things for everyone".

Some vaccines are already mandatory and have been for many decades,  before some people were born.

I agree, but all the vaccines in your list have passed the legal pre-clinical and clinical trials and are proven to be safe to use.

But we are not talking about these, but about a new therapy that has just a few months of research.

I do understand that taking into account the emergency in all the world and the threat for some elderly and vulnerable people, they are helping many people for whom it is less the risk of the vaccine than of the virus; but making mandatory for all, young and children with a near zero risk of dying from Covid included, without knowing the side-efects in the mid-long term, is just insane to me.

I have worked for a biotech and here you are the typical timeline prescripted for any drugs (without the preclinical phase which should be added); taking into account that a vaccine, genic therapy or whatever can be much riskier than any typical drug, it is my opinion that no one should be forced to get it at least for now. Because if we agree, what will be next? Would you really like every children in the world to be inyected with something you don't know which effects could have in, say, 5 years? I don't think we should let any Government to make experiments with the entire population mandatory.

I understand when people base their concerns on that. But these concerns are still fueled by misconceptions.

Researchers have been studying and working with mRNA vaccines for decades - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/mrna.html

Claims that COVID-19 vaccines are “experimental”, have skipped animal testing, and have not completed initial research trials are false. FDA quote - RNA vaccines have been held to the same rigorous safety and effectiveness standards as all other types of vaccines in the United States. Here is a long read from FDA - https://www.fda.gov/media/139638/download

Why is it rolled out so quickly then? Because of the emergency, vaccine development was accelerated by combining clinical trial phases to help speed up the progress. But the processes and safety weren't compromised. Governments funded the development and usual bureaucratic obstacles weren't in the way.
https://www.immunology.org/coronavirus/connect-coronavirus-public-engagement-resources/how-covid19-vaccine-developed-fast
https://news.uchicago.edu/story/how-were-researchers-able-develop-covid-19-vaccines-so-quickly

The modern world is more agile and we have a better technology that allows us to do things better and faster than in the sixties.
RNA-based vaccines are quicker and cheaper to develop and the next vaccines for other diseases will be developed and manufactured much faster than before.

About side effects.
Serious side effects that could cause a long-term health problem are extremely unlikely following any vaccination, including COVID-19 vaccination. Vaccine monitoring has historically shown that side effects generally happen within six weeks of receiving a vaccine dose. For this reason, the FDA required each of the authorized COVID-19 vaccines to be studied for at least two months (eight weeks) after the final dose. Millions of people have received COVID-19 vaccines, and no long-term side effects have been detected.
Source: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/safety-of-vaccines.html

After vaccination, the cells make copies of the spike protein, and the mRNA is degraded within a few days and the spike proteins last only up to a few weeks. Nothing stays in your body after a few weeks to cause long-term damage.

And no, mRNA vaccines cannot change your DNA.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/facts.html

COVID-19 vaccines authorized for emergency use in the U.S. and UK are not experimental and have completed all animal and clinical trials.

Moderna and Phizer applied for full approval of their vaccines under priority review and most likely they will be approved within months.

It is still going to be too fast for some people and they would like to test it with time. But there is no time.

The danger is already here and there is a much greater risk for people to be hurt than some baseless fear that something can go wrong in 5 years.

People transferring or getting the virus on the way from and to work and bringing it to their co-workers and family members who may be at a higher risk than they are. Even in young people, COVID-19 can cause strokes, seizures, and Guillain-Barre syndrome.

And even if people have mild COVID-19 symptoms there is a risk of organ damage and long-term health problems.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-long-term-effects/art-20490351

I know people whose health is ruined after recovery from COVID-19.

[mindrust]

but making mandatory for all, young and children with a near zero risk of dying from Covid included, without knowing the side-efects in the mid-long term, is just insane to me.

At last somebody with a functioning brain cells made an appearence.

The vaccination agenda was set in motion long before the covid19. If you want to see the evidences, they are everywhere. They have been telling you this in the past 10 years. If you want to find them they are only 1 click away from you.  That's if you "really" want to find and see them because brainwashed people can't see them even when you spoon feed them with information.

[beertoll]

but making mandatory for all, young and children with a near zero risk of dying from Covid included, without knowing the side-efects in the mid-long term, is just insane to me.

At last somebody with a functioning brain cells made an appearence.

The vaccination agenda was set in motion long before the covid19. If you want to see the evidences, they are everywhere. They have been telling you this in the past 10 years. If you want to find them they are only 1 click away from you.  That's if you "really" want to find and see them because brainwashed people can't see them even when you spoon feed them with information.

That's because vaccination of the population is a conspiracy in your head and you think there is a secret "agenda". No, it hasn't started in the past 10 years. The growing list of mandatory vaccination requirements for children and certain professions was in place many decades ago. Many of you fully vaccinated anti-vaxxers don't have terrible diseases like polio because of the mandatory vaccinations.

Every parent who participates in their kids' lives is aware of that. But somehow you think that it is a piece of secret information. And it is literally one post away, although you read only whatever fits your already established beliefs:

Some vaccines are already mandatory and have been for many decades,  before some people were born.

Some people who are against vaccines have been vaccinated for a number of diseases and just don't realize it.

For example, in the US, each state decides which vaccines are required for children before enrollment and attendance at childcare facilities or schools.

Some professions require mandatory vaccinations as well.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/records/schools.html
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/imz-managers/laws/index.html

For the state of Illinois the minimum requirement for mandatory vaccines is:
Diphtheria
Pertussis
Tetanus
Polio
Measles
Rubella
Mumps
Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib)
Invasive Pneumococcal Disease
Hepatitis B
Varicella
Meningococcal Disease

Virtually every country has a list of mandatory vaccines. You can check requirements on your country's health department website and find out what is already mandatory in your country and learn that you have been vaccinated against a bunch of diseases and realize that one more mandatory vaccine is not as big of a deal as people make it.

Regarding why is it important for as many people as possible to get the COVID vaccine, there are several reasons, one of them is to not let the virus mutate in unvaccinated and create new variants that can infect vaccinated.
You can read more here if you are genuinely interested:
https://www.clickondetroit.com/health/2021/05/03/why-is-it-important-for-as-many-people-as-possible-to-get-the-covid-vaccine/

[beertoll]

Read my original answer to your post here before it gets buried:

My previous answer has information about side effects and in this post, I want to reiterate the need to vaccinate as many people as possible, even those with a lower risk.

I do understand that taking into account the emergency in all the world and the threat for some elderly and vulnerable people, they are helping many people for whom it is less the risk of the vaccine than of the virus; but making mandatory for all, young and children with a near zero risk of dying from Covid included, without knowing the side-efects in the mid-long term, is just insane to me.

First of all, I'm not aware of near-zero risk groups. Even in young people, there can be a form of brain damage. COVID-19 can cause strokes, seizures and Guillain-Barre syndrome — a condition that causes temporary paralysis. COVID-19 may also increase the risk of developing Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's disease. Some adults and children experience multisystem inflammatory syndrome after they have had COVID-19. In this condition, some organs and tissues become severely inflamed. Imaging tests taken months after recovery from COVID-19 have shown lasting damage to the heart muscle, even in people who experienced only mild COVID-19 symptoms. This may increase the risk of heart failure or other heart complications in the future. The type of pneumonia often associated with COVID-19 can cause long-standing damage to the tiny air sacs (alveoli) in the lungs. The resulting scar tissue can lead to long-term breathing problems.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-long-term-effects/art-20490351

There are several reasons for the need to vaccinate as many people as possible, but the main reason is that vaccines, including Covid vaccines, are not magical potions that put a holly shield around you. They train your immune system to recognize certain proteins. If a virus mutates into new variants that use altered proteins - your immune system may not be able to recognize them.

If half of the population is unvaccinated, they may cultivate new variants that will start infecting vaccinated people and all the efforts to combat the pandemic will be in vain.

[Jet Cash]

They don't train your immune systemn to do anything, your adaptive immune system does that. All vaccines do is to bypass your primary protection, and present fake information in the hope that this will create a form of immunity. There are several things that can go wrong, especially if a patient is not tested vefore vaccination. These errors can cause an opportunistic virus to mnutate and negate the benefits (??) of vaccination.

Vaccines increase the risk of mutations, not those who believe in the experience and skills of Mother Nature. Mother Nature wants to save you, big pharma doesn't care - they just want your money, or your government's.

[beertoll]

They don't train your immune systemn to do anything, your adaptive immune system does that. All vaccines do is to bypass your primary protection, and present fake information in the hope that this will create a form of immunity. There are several things that can go wrong, especially if a patient is not tested vefore vaccination. These errors can cause an opportunistic virus to mnutate and negate the benefits (??) of vaccination.

Vaccines increase the risk of mutations, not those who believe in the experience and skills of Mother Nature. Mother Nature wants to save you, big pharma doesn't care - they just want your money, or your government's.

Another one with the big pharma.

What you said is nonsense because mRNA vaccines do not introduce viruses to your organism. They instruct your cells to create proteins which you immune system recognize as foreign and trains to combat them in the future.

Understanding mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/mrna.html#:~:text=First%2C%20COVID%2D19%20mRNA%20vaccines,protein%20piece%20on%20its%20surface.

[Ultegra134]

They don't train your immune systemn to do anything, your adaptive immune system does that. All vaccines do is to bypass your primary protection, and present fake information in the hope that this will create a form of immunity. There are several things that can go wrong, especially if a patient is not tested vefore vaccination. These errors can cause an opportunistic virus to mnutate and negate the benefits (??) of vaccination.

Vaccines increase the risk of mutations, not those who believe in the experience and skills of Mother Nature. Mother Nature wants to save you, big pharma doesn't care - they just want your money, or your government's.

Mutations are a normal occurrence and has been happening with all viruses, even of the common flu/influenza. I don't get why most anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists just won't understand that this is normal behavior. Viruses mutate in order to survive, new strains do not necessarily mean that vaccines are useless, they may have a lower efficacy, but they still work to a decent percent.

In worst case scenario, a third dose can be administered, to fight the newest strains, that's what happens with the influenza virus too.

[Porfirii]

You beertoll and Ultegra134 are using the antivaxxer and conspiracy theorist labels and, although with many people you are right, you should not take a black-and-white approach as this is not my case as I am not against vaccines, just want to wait and see a little bit before deciding to get the jab safely and I just don't accept any Government making it mandatory in this phase without further testing, as it would set a very dangerous precedent.

First of all, I'm not aware of near-zero risk groups. Even in young people, there can be a form of brain damage. COVID-19 can cause strokes, seizures and Guillain-Barre syndrome — a condition that causes temporary paralysis.

As I am young and the risk for me to die from covid is near zero (estimated 0,2%), if you are not aware of near-zero risk groups you should, especially when you say that we only read whatever fits our established beliefs. I am aware of the risks of the virus, of course, but the vaccine has reported side effects too, with several deaths from strokes and thrombosis among others (a few days ago a young boy of 21 years died from the vaccine in my country). 1st rule in medicine: do not harm.

That's because vaccination of the population is a conspiracy in your head and you think there is a secret "agenda". No, it hasn't started in the past 10 years. The growing list of mandatory vaccination requirements for children and certain professions was in place many decades ago. Many of you fully vaccinated anti-vaxxers don't have terrible diseases like polio because of the mandatory vaccinations.

I know well the polio as one familiar of mine got it when there wasn't any vaccine for it. The effects in children of these diseases you posted are devastating, nothing to do with Covid, and even in the case of the polio vaccine, when it was released for the first time, many millions of doses were contaminated by HPV, which wasn't known in that moment, with millions of women dying from womb cancer derivated from the vaccination  10 or even more than 20 years after it.

With these precedents, you should at least understand that some people prefer to wait and see, especially when the typical minimum timeline for any drugs to be safe has been reduced by 10 times with these brand new vaccines: you talk about trusting the scientific community when they are not meeting the proper observation criteria which are the fundamentals of the scientific method.

No need to be an anti-vaxxer nor a conspirathy theorist to have a healthy critical mindset.

[franky1]

seems tvbcof and badecker and tash are not complaining about science.. they are just complaining about american doctors..

well thats their capitalism for them

in the UK doctors dont get commission. in many countries doctors dont get commission.
there is no 'pill mill' drug problem in the UK where doctors write scripts for cash.

guess this proves badecker and co dont like capitalism after al and would prefer it if doctors treat patients as patients and not customers. as that is all badecker and co keep displaying when they argue about american medical system.. the money making doctors  act funny.. and that includes the links to badeckers influencers that pay doctors to say foolish things like advertise herbal remedies and drugs not made for the conspiracy influencers adverts.

but hey, capitalism so even if badecker hates doctors for it. he then loves doctors for it. making badecker and co.. hypocrits

[beertoll]

You beertoll and Ultegra134 are using the antivaxxer and conspiracy theorist labels and, although with many people you are right, you should not take a black-and-white approach as this is not my case as I am not against vaccines, just want to wait and see a little bit before deciding to get the jab safely and I just don't accept any Government making it mandatory in this phase without further testing, as it would set a very dangerous precedent.

First of all, I'm not aware of near-zero risk groups. Even in young people, there can be a form of brain damage. COVID-19 can cause strokes, seizures and Guillain-Barre syndrome — a condition that causes temporary paralysis.

As I am young and the risk for me to die from covid is near zero (estimated 0,2%), if you are not aware of near-zero risk groups you should, especially when you say that we only read whatever fits our established beliefs. I am aware of the risks of the virus, of course, but the vaccine has reported side effects too, with several deaths from strokes and thrombosis among others (a few days ago a young boy of 21 years died from the vaccine in my country). 1st rule in medicine: do not harm.

That's because vaccination of the population is a conspiracy in your head and you think there is a secret "agenda". No, it hasn't started in the past 10 years. The growing list of mandatory vaccination requirements for children and certain professions was in place many decades ago. Many of you fully vaccinated anti-vaxxers don't have terrible diseases like polio because of the mandatory vaccinations.

I know well the polio as one familiar of mine got it when there wasn't any vaccine for it. The effects in children of these diseases you posted are devastating, nothing to do with Covid, and even in the case of the polio vaccine, when it was released for the first time, many millions of doses were contaminated by HPV, which wasn't known in that moment, with millions of women dying from womb cancer derivated from the vaccination  10 or even more than 20 years after it.

With these precedents, you should at least understand that some people prefer to wait and see, especially when the typical minimum timeline for any drugs to be safe has been reduced by 10 times with these brand new vaccines: you talk about trusting the scientific community when they are not meeting the proper observation criteria which are the fundamentals of the scientific method.

No need to be an anti-vaxxer nor a conspirathy theorist to have a healthy critical mindset.

In none of my responses to you, I labeled you or used the term anti-vaxxer. I mentioned people who are against vaccines in general that are fully vaccinated but are not aware of it. My replies to you are thorough and non-haughty. I share my opinions with you in a dialogue without any attacks. I used the anti-vaxxer term only with people who mention big pharma in every post and imply that their government wants to poison them, not in replies intended to you. The quotes you've highlighted or mentioned are the responses to other people's posts as you can see.

Before this reply of yours, I said that I understand when people base their fears on the fact that it is a new vaccine and that some people prefer to wait and see. And now after you saying "...you should at least understand that some people..." I think you've missed that reply. That reply has information on some misunderstandings about the rapid timelines and safety of these vaccines, why the corners weren't cut and why the long terms effects are unplausible, and why it is riskier to wait that vaccinate. The original reply - https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=5294239.msg57582041#msg57582041

Totally agree with, "No need to be an anti-vaxxer nor a conspiracy theorist to have a healthy critical mindset" but many people say that they have critical mindset. Oftentimes people think that when they go against common knowledge or authorities or established science is because they have critical mindset.

Regarding your quote, "if you are not aware of near-zero risk groups you should, especially when you say that we only read whatever fits our established beliefs", I'm aware of low-risk groups and the 0.20 percent of people dying is not near zero to me. And I never heard that someone else would call it near zero. Here is an illustration, in a college that has 5000 students, 10 young people may die (0.2%). Again, this is not near zero to me. Also realize that they will bring the virus to their family members who may have a higher risk of dying and hospitalization.


P. S. People with truly critical mindsets will be able to make the right choices. I believe that you are one of them and you just need to keep relying on sources of scientific evidence. Writing thorough responses takes time, and although some people enter into a dialogue, some just spew random stuff. I don't see a value in responding to most of those comments and going to spend my time on something useful. I'm unsubscribing from this thread and apologize if I won't see your reply and won't reply to you.

P. P. S. Look at the comment below which is a perfect example of "people just spew random stuff". So I hope Porfirii you will understand why I think this is a waste of time.

[Tash]

Seems beertoll did not get the message that the great covid war is already decided, and he lost.

[beertoll]

Seems beertoll did not get the message that the great covid war is already decided, and he lost.

And this is a very good illustration of what I meant by "just spew random stuff". So I hope Porfirii you will understand why I think this is a waste of time.

[Jet Cash]

mRNA vaccines are not new, they have been under development for over 20 years. It's just that they don't work. Also the spike protein doesn't always stay in the muscle tissue, but can escape and float round the body, before settling in important organs. There is no research or information on the effect this will have, but it is certainly not beneficial.

I understand how they work, and they are a step closer to the use of the live virus. I just don't understand why they don't use the live virus to create natural immunity. Oh wait, there isn't any money in that.

[beertoll]

mRNA vaccines are not new, they have been under development for over 20 years. It's just that they don't work. Also the spike protein doesn't always stay in the muscle tissue, but can escape and float round the body, before settling in important organs. There is no research or information on the effect this will have, but it is certainly not beneficial.

I understand how they work, and they are a step closer to the use of the live virus. I just don't understand why they don't use the live virus to create natural immunity. Oh wait, there isn't any money in that.

You don't understand how mRNA vaccines work.


After vaccination, the cells make copies of the spike protein, and the mRNA is degraded within a few days and the spike proteins last only up to a few weeks.
https://www.muhealth.org/our-stories/how-do-we-know-covid-19-vaccine-wont-have-long-term-side-effects


Understanding How COVID-19 Vaccines Work - https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/how-they-work.html