Do you trust the co-vid19 vaccine ?

[tvbcof]

Just for what it's worth, I took my first Ivermectin today.

Why am I not surprised that the guy who takes fish antibiotics is now taking horse dewormer? Lol.

I took Ivermectin which is a general drug on the essential medicines list (for humans.)  A doctor would know that.

The medicine itself was in 3mg individually sealed capsule form.  Doctors are under great pressure to not mention the substance but many (possible most) have a supply for themselves and their families so there is a supply line.  It's a widely used chemical compound (including but not limited to veterinary use) so there are numerous manufacturers all around the world.  It's also quite cheap due to economies of scale and competition.

Only in relatively totalitarian countries run by big pharma money do so many people have to turn to the PASTE 'injected' into the mouths of livestock by a 'syringe'.  Embarrassingly enough, I fell for the mainstream media propaganda and imagined a hypodermic syringe myself.  I can still get tricked by these scammers (mainstream media, medical/industrial complex, etc) from time to time, but it's becoming increasingly rare.

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BTW, I never had to take my 'fish meds' (which is obviously another scam whereby doctors and pharmacists get their medication for reasonable prices) since the only time I needed any internal antibiotic (doxy) I was able to get it from a doctor friend fairly easily.  I started getting it just for metronidazole to mix in face cream which brought my cost down from $300.00 from the pharmacy to about fifty cents or some such.  I have a large selection of antibiotic pills (exactly the same label as the items from the pharmacy) back at home in the U.S., but I am expecting 'them' to burn the people (and my house) out before I go back if I ever do.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Doctors are under great pressure to not mention the substance

Citation needed.

but many (possible most) have a supply for themselves and their families so there is a supply line.

Citation needed.

Embarrassingly enough, I fell for the mainstream media propaganda and imagined a hypodermic syringe myself.

Right, the MsM pRoPaGaNdA like the FDA website which states oral tablets. However did all your research reading Facebook and watching conspiracy vlogs see through it all!?

[MartinsCoin]

If I'm still alive today, it's thanks to the vaccines I've received since the day I was born. We are living in a pandemic moment and the vaccine was made as an emergency, but I believe in vaccines. Before releasing the vaccines they pass through validation tests to prove its effectiveness and the competent bodies would never disclose a vaccine that did not work or harm human beings.

[tvbcof]

Doctors are under great pressure to not mention the substance

Citation needed.

but many (possible most) have a supply for themselves and their families so there is a supply line.

Citation needed.

Not really.  Anyone who follows this stuff will have seen the pressure doctors are put under and heard them mention it a lot.

As for the doctors getting Ivermectin for themselves, I don't know what sort of 'citation' you are looking for.  Do you need a signed note by Lord Fausti?  I know people, and I know people who know people.  Some of them with board certifications to practice medicine.  That's the info I've gotten...in addition to a bunch of Ivermectin.

In most countries you will lose your license to practice medicine if you don't do what the authorities want.  In some you can also lose your life.  Good doctors do what they can to quietly help the people which is about all that one can reasonable ask in certain countries...which are highly indebted to the global financial powers and addicted to 'special drawing rights' from the IMF.

Embarrassingly enough, I fell for the mainstream media propaganda and imagined a hypodermic syringe myself.

Right, the MsM pRoPaGaNdA like the FDA website which states oral tablets. However did all your research reading Facebook and watching conspiracy vlogs see through it all!?

Never had a Facefuck account, and only pay significant attention to content producers who are studious about providing links to source material that they discuss.  E.g.:

https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/complete-breakdown-science-msm-covid-narrative-natural-immunity/

https://www.corbettreport.com/solutionswatch-multiply/

[o_e_l_e_o]

So your source is "Someone told me", and your conspiracy vlog sources are conspiracy blogs. Well, that sounds super convincing. 

[mindrust]

Never had a Facefuck account,

Sorry tvfckoff. Citation needed.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Sorry tvfckoff. Citation needed.

How ridiculous to want evidence regarding the management of a deadly virus rather than just taking horse dewormer because a guy on the street told you to.

[tvbcof]

So your source is "Someone told me", and your conspiracy vlog sources are conspiracy blogs. Well, that sounds super convincing.  

The 'someone' didn't just 'tell me' stuff; they got me the pharma products I wanted, and the product was clearly not cooked up in some trailer.  Nor are my contacts the kind of people who are likely to be found shooting up on some street corner or hanging with people who are.

I left the U.S. in part because I predicted that in the U.S. medical services were likely to be rationed and simply unavailable, and as I get older that might be an issue at some point.  I figured that there would be more flexibility and work-arounds in other places.  At least for people of my socio-economic status.  My projections about this have proven half-right so far.  Fortunately I'm pretty good at being my own doctor when it comes to difficult problems.  At least I am not forced to compute horse-paste dosages to get an obviously effective and safe drug which is denied to Americans for obviously political reasons.

I'm also not forced to, as a healthy person, pay the extortion and racketeering fees for treating sick people.  Or pay for smart-bombs to kill foriegners.  As a successfull white male, a good fraction of the needy and sickly people are conditioned to hate my guts making it extra galling to be gyped in paying for their 'treatment'.  This is especially the case now where kids (30 somethings living with their parents) are mostly indoctrinated gender-bent retards and are medically and psychologically all fucked up.  Believe it or not, back in my day it was quite uncommon for a male under 45 to have any significant health issues.

[tvbcof]

Sorry tvfckoff. Citation needed.

How ridiculous to want evidence regarding the management of a deadly virus rather than just taking horse dewormer because a guy on the street told you to.

 - You want a 'citation' that ivermectin is discouraged.

 - You want a 'citation' that doctors obtain and use ivermectin for themselves.

These are two of the most obvious and well-know facts circulating around the whole covaids scamdemic and anyone who has done any research at all would know it.  Seems possible that you don't really understand what a 'citation' is.  Anyway, listen to Dr. Fausti for a bit if you want to get informed on stance about the 'essential medicine' named ivermectin.  Many doctors claim to get ivermectin for themselves and their patients.  Dr. McCullough is one of the most highly credentialed ones.

( - mindrust seems to want a 'citation' that I never had a Facefuck account ?\?\?)

[mindrust]

( - mindrust seems to want a 'citation' that I never had a Facefuck account ?\?\?)

It was a joke, I thought it was obvious.

[o_e_l_e_o]

If you make a claim like "Most doctors are taking ivermectin" (which is a blatant falsehood, by the way), then rational discourse requires that you substantiate that claim. Stating it is "obvious" is not evidence.

Don't know why I'm expecting the guy taking fish and horse medication to be rational though. That's my bad.

[suchmoon]

blatant falsehood

AKA horseshit. Pun opportunity fail.

Yes, that's my contribution to this ludicrous thread. I admire your patience though.

[TwitchySeal]

As a successfull white male, a good fraction of the needy and sickly people are conditioned to hate my guts making it extra galling to be gyped in paying for their 'treatment'.  This is especially the case now where kids (30 somethings living with their parents) are mostly indoctrinated gender-bent retards and are medically and psychologically all fucked up.  Believe it or not, back in my day it was quite uncommon for a male under 45 to have any significant health issues.

What a snow flake boomer.

[_Miracle]

blatant falsehood

AKA horseshit. Pun opportunity fail.

Yes, that's my contribution to this ludicrous thread. I admire your patience though.

Actually the thread isn't so bad when you ignore just a few ludicrous people.


*for those who have to read everyone: IDK how you do it----but thank you.

[tvbcof]

If you make a claim like "Most doctors are taking ivermectin" (which is a blatant falsehood, by the way), then rational discourse requires that you substantiate that claim. Stating it is "obvious" is not evidence.

Don't know why I'm expecting the guy taking fish and horse medication to be rational though. That's my bad.

Here is what I actually said:

  "but many (possible most) have a supply for themselves and their families so there is a supply line."

These are very different things.  It's pathetic when someone has to bury and change what someone else said just to have an argument, and it's pretty much the way you seem to roll almost every time.

Ivermectin when used for parasites is basically a one-and-done thing.  It also works well for it's purpose.  It (and hydroxychloroquine) was over-the-counter until it became political and a threat to the scamdemic vax pushers.  The supply disruption itself created a grey/black market, and it is defiantly the intelligentsia, including 'medical professionals', who are on the consuming end since they tend to have a little extra money and see the scamdemic from the inside.  Some are taking as a prophylactic for 'covid'.  I don't happen to be at this time, but very well might as more info about what 'covid' actually is comes out.

In the case of the 'fish meds', that tip came from someone who was verifiably a doctor.  At least in researching the subject I ran across his work early on.  He specifically suggested it as a means of obtaining an emergency supply.  When you need antibiotics, you tend to need them right then.  You cannot wait 4 months for your doctor's appointment which is the common case in places where they have socialized medicine.  If you don't have what you need on-hand and need to rely on the government regulated health care bureaucracy, you are fucked.  Totally.  It doesn't matter if you are paying a $1500/mo 'insurance' premium with a $10,000 deductible or not.

I say it (doctors obtaining Ivermectin) is happening where I am at and I have physical evidence in the form of pop-wrapped capsules in my fridge.  You want 'citations'.  You say it is 'blatantly false'.  Where's your citation?  The only thing you have to back up your information is a claim of being a medical doctor, and one who trolls this forum in your copious spare time.

As a successfull white male, a good fraction of the needy and sickly people are conditioned to hate my guts making it extra galling to be gyped in paying for their 'treatment'.  This is especially the case now where kids (30 somethings living with their parents) are mostly indoctrinated gender-bent retards and are medically and psychologically all fucked up.  Believe it or not, back in my day it was quite uncommon for a male under 45 to have any significant health issues.

What a snow flake boomer.

The Boomers are pretty much gone.  I'm early 'Gen-X', and we are pretty much running the show these days.  We are known as 'the cynical ones'.

We physically matured just before Reagan gave Big Pharma indemnification for vaccines which gave us what you younger sprouts are now thinking of as 'super powers'.  These would include things like having critical thinking skills, being able to walk up a flight of stairs without an asthma inhaler, the ability to achieve and maintain an erection, etc.

Some of us are evil as a dung-hill and will use our 'super powers' for bad things.  People who take the mark are fixn' to find this out the hard way how 'evil' we can be, and many already have.  The Boomers gave us Gen-X'ers the idiocracy to play with as a parting gift.  We pretty much just inherited it.



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[o_e_l_e_o]

These are very different things.

Doesn't really matter when you consistently provide zero proof for any of your nonsense. Might as well claim all doctors are literally controlled by Gates via his 5GVaxMicroChip.

You cannot wait 4 months for your doctor's appointment which is the common case in places where they have socialized medicine.

The most recent study of 11 developed countries put the US 9th on timeliness of care and 11th (last) on access to care. All the other countries which outperformed the US have socialized medicine. But as usual, don't let facts get in the way of your nonsense.

If you don't have what you need on-hand and need to rely on the government regulated health care bureaucracy, you are fucked.

Except all the countries with government regulated health care outperform the US in health care outcomes, so again, that is demonstrably false.

You want 'citations'.  You say it is 'blatantly false'.  Where's your citation?

Ahh yes, "You can't prove me wrong so it must be true." The stupidest of the stupid arguments. Did you know most doctors think anyone taking ivermectin has an IQ <50. It's true because you can't prove otherwise!

[tvbcof]

These are very different things.

Doesn't really matter when you consistently provide zero proof for any of your nonsense. Might as well claim all doctors are literally controlled by Gates via his 5GVaxMicroChip.

It matters to critically thinking people when someone has to make up things that other's said or didn't say, and use strawman arguments constantly.

You cannot wait 4 months for your doctor's appointment which is the common case in places where they have socialized medicine.

The most recent study of 11 developed countries put the US 9th on timeliness of care and 11th (last) on access to care. All the other countries which outperformed the US have socialized medicine. But as usual, don't let facts get in the way of your nonsense.

I consider the U.S. to be pretty much completely 'socialized medicine' since Obamacare.  It's just socialized under the system of crony capitalistic form of collectivism that characterizes our society.

Over the years I've heard a lot more complaints about wait times under what the imbecile classes consider 'socialized medicine' in the European realms so trying to sell that as some sort of a panacea is a dog which won't hunt for anyone with a little bit of awareness.

If you don't have what you need on-hand and need to rely on the government regulated health care bureaucracy, you are fucked.

Except all the countries with government regulated health care outperform the US in health care outcomes, so again, that is demonstrably false.

Yeah, I know that sales pitch.  It's ridiculous to someone who can analyze things from different angles and has some real-world experiance.

You want 'citations'.  You say it is 'blatantly false'.  Where's your citation?

Ahh yes, "You can't prove me wrong so it must be true." The stupidest of the stupid arguments. Did you know most doctors think anyone taking ivermectin has an IQ <50. It's true because you can't prove otherwise!

You are the one who demanded 'citations' that some doctors want access to ivermectin and have gotten it.  The very least you can do, under such a ridiculous demand is to provide 'citations' for your contention that this is never the case.  Don't be a hypocrite, and especially when making idiotic claims.

[o_e_l_e_o]

I've heard a lot more complaints

So your counter to a massive, peer-reviewed, global study undertaken over many years is, once again "Well, someone told me." Dear lord.

[tvbcof]

I've heard a lot more complaints

So your counter to a massive, peer-reviewed, global study undertaken over many years is, once again "Well, someone told me." Dear lord.

Studies (links absent of course) funded by technocrats who want to micro-manage the physiology of every individual human say that the infrastructure they need to do it works the best.  I mean wow; Stop the Presses!

I find that being out in the real world and talking to real people is a much better way to gain accurate information about the real world.  Of course that is impossible for a quivering dork who has been holed up in his apartment room for 1.5 years doing his part to 'flatten the curve.'  For the 'good of society' dontcha know.

[o_e_l_e_o]

In that case, next time you see your butcher could you ask them the best ventilation strategies for managing ARDS? Asking for a friend.