Do you trust the co-vid19 vaccine ?

[hornetsnest]

While the bedwetters hide under the bed from the virus hoping the government will protect them from the unclean unvaccinated while the same government write cheques the bedwetters will never be able to cover to enrich the corporations and hidden interests the politicans wittingly or unwittingly serve there is an even greater crisis looming that the bedwetters have been distracted from and that is the real threat of global warfare and actual starvation in some parts of western civilisations that has been brought about by the very men the bedwetters seek protection from through their blind obedience to the international cartel who now own earth incorporated. The same cartel responsible for the deaths of millions over the last 20 years of conflict in the middle east will not protect them but enslave them and lead them to destruction while the bedwetters queue to be pricked and tagged so they can watch the ball game without those nasty unvaxxed extremists being a threat to them. The bedwetters and their ilk took your freedom because it wouldn't have been possile without their cooperation. Thank you and have a nice day  

[Tash]

Governor of West Virginia 
Does he sniff trouble right at start?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1435041677425709056

[adeyemirichard71]

I fully support the use of vaccines, but I worry about possible long-term side effects with the new vaccines. How can anyone say with any confidence there will be no long-term consequences with vaccines that have been developed so rapidly.

[n0nce]

I fully support the use of vaccines, but I worry about possible long-term side effects with the new vaccines. How can anyone say with any confidence there will be no long-term consequences with vaccines that have been developed so rapidly.

Well because what it does in your body is very logical and basically the same as with traditional vaccines: your body produces antibodies, stores info in memory B cells and destroys the mRNA. The mRNA is then gone within hours so it can’t cause any effect in the future. The only effects that it will cause will be few hours after the shot. After that it‘s just gone.
Antibodies and memory B cells are created upon detecting the newly created (and later destroyed) spike proteins just the same way as in a traditional vaccine, so there‘s no added risk there. We know exactly how the antibodies and memory cells behave since they are created in the same fashion as always. Just a reaction to new unknown spike proteins.

[Tash]

I fully support the use of vaccines, but I worry about possible long-term side effects with the new vaccines. How can anyone say with any confidence there will be no long-term consequences with vaccines that have been developed so rapidly.

Lab rats normaly used to see if the can life years with it. All rats died instand so that stage was skiped and went straight to the new variety of "lab rats"

Anyway scientist are not very optimistic with long term survival.
https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=5349296.msg57466608#msg57466608


Dr. Christina Parks testimony for Michigan HB4471 on 8/19/21
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Jktvh6k0qys&feature=share

[tvbcof]

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Lab rats normaly used to see if the can life years with it. All rats died instand so that stage was skiped and went straight to the new variety of "lab rats"
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The lab rodents exercised their informed consent rights.  They are waiting to see what happens to the idiot humans before they allow injection of that shit into their bodies.

Someone posted a pretty funny cartoon about that from whence I stole the idea.  You?  Maybe Hornetsnest.

Just to make a slight correction from how I understand the phenomenon, initially everything looked pretty good with the gene therapy vaccine experiments.  The lab animals were fine and had 'good antibody readings.'  It's worth note that the way the big pharma gets paid for human 'vaccines' is 'antibody levels' and not much else.  The problem came when they exposed the animals to the disease they were supposed to be vaccinated for.  That is, an emulation of the next wild strain epidemic.  They call it 'challenge', and it is to figure out what the vaccine actually did.  When they did that the animals died in alarming numbers from a freaky immune response.  This 'Antibody Dependant Enhancement' phenomenon occurs with only a minority of infections.  Coronavirus, RSV, and Dengue are a few examples.

Anyway, it's very clear why the plandemic was designed in such a way as to skip the 'animal' trials.

[Tash]

"I’m willing to take my NATURAL COVID IMMUNITY case to the US Supreme Court"
https://youtu.be/aU7uBmLUiiY

Well there is this case
https://nclalegal.org/zywicki-v-gmu/
Law professor WINS lawsuit against university vaccine mandate, gets granted medical exemption on the basis of natural immunity

[hornetsnest]

[Xinarae*]

I fully support the use of vaccines, but I worry about possible long-term side effects with the new vaccines. How can anyone say with any confidence there will be no long-term consequences with vaccines that have been developed so rapidly.

Well because what it does in your body is very logical and basically the same as with traditional vaccines: your body produces antibodies, stores info in memory B cells and destroys the mRNA. The mRNA is then gone within hours so it can’t cause any effect in the future. The only effects that it will cause will be few hours after the shot. After that it‘s just gone.
Antibodies and memory B cells are created upon detecting the newly created (and later destroyed) spike proteins just the same way as in a traditional vaccine, so there‘s no added risk there. We know exactly how the antibodies and memory cells behave since they are created in the same fashion as always. Just a reaction to new unknown spike proteins.

Vaccination is an easy safe and effective way to protect against an infectious disease before it comes into contact with an infected person. Polio diphtheria pertussis tetanus and measles can be prevented by vaccination when we get vaccinated we protect not only ourselves but also the people around us. Some people are advised not to take certain vaccines in which case those who receive the vaccine help prevent the spread of the disease.

[Natsuu]

Let's continue this idiocity, shall we.

Research what your body is compose of... you must be a anti -body

You bought alcohol?... you must be an anti-virus

you raise a question to your teachers?... you must be an anti teacher

you study human as a well being?... you must be an anti human

[mindrust]

[tvbcof]

Let's continue this idiocity, shall we.

Research what your body is compose of... you must be a anti -body

You bought alcohol?... you must be an anti-virus

you raise a question to your teachers?... you must be an anti teacher

you study human as a well being?... you must be an anti human

Not suprisingly, it seems to have escaped you that one can study something and come to the conclusion that it is OK.  Most so-called 'anti-vaxxers' have studied the hell out of vaccines and many other things.  In many many cases they've come to the logical conclusion that some vaccines are not OK for the purposes that they are marketed.

Of the long list of 'idiocity', only in the case of vaccines is it not OK to even study something.

[BADecker]

Let's continue this idiocity, shall we.

Research what your body is compose of... you must be a anti -body

You bought alcohol?... you must be an anti-virus

you raise a question to your teachers?... you must be an anti teacher

you study human as a well being?... you must be an anti human

And a little more... keep on taking vaccines for Covid, and you must be anti-life... Over 14,000 dead from the Covid vaxxes (according to the CDC https://openvaers.com/covid-data), and that is only 1% of what is really happening, according to Harvard.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Most so-called 'anti-vaxxers' have studied the hell out of vaccines and many other things.

If by "studied" you mean read Facebook memes which tell them to take horse pills.

Please link to the peer reviewed randomized control trial or meta-analysis performed by all these studious anti-vaxxers which show vaccines don't work. I'll wait.

[n0nce]

Most so-called 'anti-vaxxers' have studied the hell out of vaccines and many other things.

If by "studied" you mean read Facebook memes which tell them to take horse pills.

Please link to the peer reviewed randomized control trial or meta-analysis performed by all these studious anti-vaxxers which show vaccines don't work. I'll wait.

Yeah it's a pity that in today's world 'to research' and 'to study' are such misused terms. You'd be shocked to know how many people do think that they are 'doing research' and 'studying' by reading Facebook posts and watching YouTube videos. Thereby falsely comparing themselves and their amount of knowledge to the knowledge of someone who actually studied e.g. medicine for 10 years at university and performed additional independent research in the field for more years. The comparison is really pathetic to anyone who knows what research and studies actually look like.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Yeah it's a pity that in today's world 'to research' and 'to study' are such misused terms. You'd be shocked to know how many people do think that they are 'doing research' and 'studying' by reading Facebook posts and watching YouTube videos. Thereby falsely comparing themselves and their amount of knowledge to the knowledge of someone who actually studied e.g. medicine for 10 years at university and performed additional independent research in the field for more years. The comparison is really pathetic to anyone who knows what research and studies actually look like.

I predict an incoming post about how everyone who studied medicine is just paid for by BiG pHaRmA and how conspiracy sites which only exist to sell overpriced snake oil to gullible morons are actually the only reliable source of facts.

[tvbcof]

Most so-called 'anti-vaxxers' have studied the hell out of vaccines and many other things.

If by "studied" you mean read Facebook memes which tell them to take horse pills.

Please link to the peer reviewed randomized control trial or meta-analysis performed by all these studious anti-vaxxers which show vaccines don't work. I'll wait.

Yeah it's a pity that in today's world 'to research' and 'to study' are such misused terms. You'd be shocked to know how many people do think that they are 'doing research' and 'studying' by reading Facebook posts and watching YouTube videos. Thereby falsely comparing themselves and their amount of knowledge to the knowledge of someone who actually studied e.g. medicine for 10 years at university and performed additional independent research in the field for more years. The comparison is really pathetic to anyone who knows what research and studies actually look like.

I avail of information from many sources (although not Facebook since I never had an account on any of the social media platforms.)  When I want detailed info on a subject such as vaccines, I regularly dive into papers published in established scientific journals.  As a matter of fact, it's quite shocking to see how many issues with vaccines and the technology are talked about in these venues.  It's just that people who don't or cannot read such papers never see it, and the mainstream media (or you guy's favorite: Facebook) certainly won't help you here.

As for 'medical school', I'm pleased to say that no, I have done exactly zero days in medical school.  The curriculum is highly controlled and I estimate that 95% of the victims come out as fairly brainless pill dispenser clerks.  Sure, they can recite approved data, but they seem to totally lack any ability to listen to and analyze almost any somewhat challenging medical issue, and especially one for which no profitable pharmaceutical is available.

I diagnosed my most recent medical issue which started at about the time I got 'covid' 9 months ago.  The Ivermectin (dosed as an anti-parasitic appropriate for my body weight) cleared it right up.  Or at least made a notable positive effect.  It's certainly raised some questions in my mind about what, exactly 'covid' is and how it spreads around.

[n0nce]

Yeah it's a pity that in today's world 'to research' and 'to study' are such misused terms. You'd be shocked to know how many people do think that they are 'doing research' and 'studying' by reading Facebook posts and watching YouTube videos. Thereby falsely comparing themselves and their amount of knowledge to the knowledge of someone who actually studied e.g. medicine for 10 years at university and performed additional independent research in the field for more years. The comparison is really pathetic to anyone who knows what research and studies actually look like.

I predict an incoming post about how everyone who studied medicine is just paid for by BiG pHaRmA and how conspiracy sites which only exist to sell overpriced snake oil to gullible morons are actually the only reliable source of facts.

That's absolutely correct, I would predict that as well. It's the same patterns with all kinds of conspiracy theorists.
This really gets a topic of psychology - a very interesting field that I want to expand my knowledge about.
My theory is that a combination of Dunning-Kruger Effect and confirmation bias in their bubble really makes them totally blind to actual facts of reality.

I diagnosed my most recent medical issue which started at about the time I got 'covid' 9 months ago.  The Ivermectin (dosed as an anti-parasitic appropriate for my body weight) cleared it right up.  Or at least made a notable positive effect.  It's certainly raised some questions in my mind about what, exactly 'covid' is and how it spreads around.

You have a sample size of 1 AND cannot know if that stuff actually helped you or your body did it all by itself with or without it, same thing as with placebo homeopathics.
Your story is at best a funny anecdote and at worst a lie for all we know, but certainly not science

[o_e_l_e_o]

I estimate that 95% of the victims come out as fairly brainless pill dispenser clerks.

Called it. Your bullshit is so predictable.

My theory is that a combination of Dunning-Kruger Effect and confirmation bias in their bubble really makes them totally blind to actual facts of reality.

I brought up Dunning-Kruger earlier in this thread, and tvbcof's response was that he is SO much more intelligent than everyone else that it doesn't apply to him. Yes, really: https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=5294239.msg55785175#msg55785175

Edit: Lol he's doubling down on it. Incredible.

[tvbcof]

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My theory is that a combination of Dunning-Kruger Effect and confirmation bias in their bubble really makes them totally blind to actual facts of reality.

My problem historically has been the reverse of the so-called 'Dunning-Kruger effect'.  That is to say, I expect people to be competent and if they hold a medical degree for example, at least as smart as I am.  Laboring under such an assumption has caused a huge amount of aggravation so I am slowly coming around to understanding the way the world actually is.