Buy Buy Buy or Sell Sell Sell?

[Fara Chan]

Off cause $100k is not the main goal, it's just a new ATH and people were just anticipating to see it hit that amount and this great progress has really moved some people and even drag more attention to Bitcoin. Anyone who understands the potential of Bitcoin and has a big target won't make a mistake of selling there Bitcoin rather they will keep on accumulating and holding because it's really going to take anyone who sells his or her Bitcoin time to accumulate that same amount

What you said is very true because now it is very difficult to accumulate Bitcoin in the amount that we have previously owned or in the amount that we have sold in the past. But for those who have a long-term target in Bitcoin, of course the current price is not a barrier for people who have such a mindset to continue buying and holding it. Because they actually already understand that if Bitcoin can reach $100K in the near future, of course there is a possibility for Bitcoin to be at a much higher price level in the next year because it will also increase the attention of many parties to Bitcoin. And for now I still think that the potential for Bitcoin to continue to increase its price is still a lot, especially in the next year.

[Xcode7]

Off cause $100k is not the main goal, it's just a new ATH and people were just anticipating to see it hit that amount and this great progress has really moved some people and even drag more attention to Bitcoin. Anyone who understands the potential of Bitcoin and has a big target won't make a mistake of selling there Bitcoin rather they will keep on accumulating and holding because it's really going to take anyone who sells his or her Bitcoin time to accumulate that same amount

What you said is very true because now it is very difficult to accumulate Bitcoin in the amount that we have previously owned or in the amount that we have sold in the past. But for those who have a long-term target in Bitcoin, of course the current price is not a barrier for people who have such a mindset to continue buying and holding it. Because they actually already understand that if Bitcoin can reach $100K in the near future, of course there is a possibility for Bitcoin to be at a much higher price level in the next year because it will also increase the attention of many parties to Bitcoin. And for now I still think that the potential for Bitcoin to continue to increase its price is still a lot, especially in the next year.

But it must also be realized that there are also risks, especially if you want to enter at a high price, you may have to wait a long time to get profit, it is true that it is for the long term but not always people will be patient when they see the investment they choose the price continues to decline.

Personally I assume that the increase in the price of Bitcoin in Bullrun this time exceeds 100k, just look at what is happening now and if we refer to what happened in the past, the peak of the bullrun should be early 2025 which means there will be a bigger spike than 100k.

[SuperBitMan]

Off cause $100k is not the main goal, it's just a new ATH and people were just anticipating to see it hit that amount and this great progress has really moved some people and even drag more attention to Bitcoin. Anyone who understands the potential of Bitcoin and has a big target won't make a mistake of selling there Bitcoin rather they will keep on accumulating and holding because it's really going to take anyone who sells his or her Bitcoin time to accumulate that same amount

What you said is very true because now it is very difficult to accumulate Bitcoin in the amount that we have previously owned or in the amount that we have sold in the past. But for those who have a long-term target in Bitcoin, of course the current price is not a barrier for people who have such a mindset to continue buying and holding it. Because they actually already understand that if Bitcoin can reach $100K in the near future, of course there is a possibility for Bitcoin to be at a much higher price level in the next year because it will also increase the attention of many parties to Bitcoin. And for now I still think that the potential for Bitcoin to continue to increase its price is still a lot, especially in the next year.

But it must also be realized that there are also risks, especially if you want to enter at a high price, you may have to wait a long time to get profit, it is true that it is for the long term but not always people will be patient when they see the investment they choose the price continues to decline.

The best risk management in Bitcoin investment is involving one's self in long term hodling, we all know that Bitcoin is highly volatile in nature and predicting what will happen in a short period is very difficult and investing your money on Bitcoin in a short term basis is highly risky and should be avoided.
Now engaging in long term hodling reduce risk of lost because no matter how volatile Bitcoin is it is still growing bigger in price but it only takes time that means if you are patient to wait while hodling you won't suffer much lose because by choosing long term hodling you have reduced risk of lost.
If I hear short term hodling all that comes to my mind is trading if you still involve in trading because of lack of patience then get ready to keep losing your money, if we make analysis of people who has made it very big today in Bitcoin investment you will mind out majority are long term hodler just imagine those who has been accumulating consistently and holding since 2012 or 2013 till date, like they always say patience is virtue.
Every one can be patience in Bitcoin investment just invest using discretionary income, have a good source of income and have a backup funds all this will help you hold for long without dipping hands into your Bitcoin investment.

[Tamaperdana]

It is not a new thing that buying bitcoin for a long term is the key success for an investors who has the understanding of bitcoin investment. And the subject makes.it clear for everyone here. It is to buy and it is to sell. In investment you buy and keep it for the period not time which is still low and once it is up to the time you will like to sell them you sell it and take your profits and this is the time of selling. Even if not all it is better to taste the $99k to the $100k then continue again for another All Time High for a long term investment. Investment should be on stages. And I think this is one of the stages to sell. Though it is not for all but those who like to.

Even though currently the price has almost reached 100K, for some people this price is not the main goal. Because bitcoin investment is an excellent store of value asset, many people who invest in bitcoin are not only looking for fiat profits, but the main factor is that bitcoin is an excellent store of value. So if you are a trader, maybe selling bitcoin right now is quite appropriate. But I won't do that, because I invested in bitcoin for a long time, so selling bitcoin now is the same as ruining my original mission.

Off cause $100k is not the main goal, it's just a new ATH and people were just anticipating to see it hit that amount and this great progress has really moved some people and even drag more attention to Bitcoin. Anyone who understands the potential of Bitcoin and has a big target won't make a mistake of selling there Bitcoin rather they will keep on accumulating and holding because it's really going to take anyone who sells his or her Bitcoin time to accumulate that same amount

Bitcoin is so good and the potential it contains, currently it is not only civil society who are accumulating or investing in bitcoin. However, large countries like America are now very interested in bitcoin and in the Trump era, America will reportedly create bitcoin reserves. So currently bitcoin is not only known by civil society, many large countries are starting to believe in bitcoin. Such as El Salvador, Argentina and Venezuela. And as far as I know, these countries are investing in bitcoin for an unspecified period of time, but basically for the long term. Therefore, we must also continue to accumulate the cold money we have in bitcoin. Because with so many countries that believe in bitcoin, why are we not sure. So buy and hold is a step that we must continue to do.

[sotelorene]

Well i would like to know that this not the time to sell rather we should focus more on continuous accumulation of bitcoin rather than merely getting profit out of dollar since dollar does dont store value

Well it is a personal choice. And it is your funds, you can do whatever pleases you. But and sell is always involved in the investment and trading. Assuming you bought as the rate of $16k and $20k and now it is $100k and after this period probably from next year it would go back to $30k or below. Who lose? Investment is all about calculation. Oh Yes bitcoin will definitely rise to $400k but if you sell it as the time of $100k and buy back at the time of $30k who make the profit? And when you rebuy, you can keep it for as long as you want until the price hit your target. But if this bull is not your target then you can still continue hodling it because it is your investment and you know what you are doing. Good luck for the investment.

I actually understand what you are saying, it is very hard to see an investor who buy's Bitcoin at the price of $16-20k and seeing the investment rise to $100k and refuse to sell. It is only an investor who knows the reason of his investment and the potential of what he or she is investing in  ( Bitcoin) that won't sell rather continue accumulating and holding because for it to get to that point definitely it's going to do even more and people who are suppose to sell in this scenario are short term investors in other words traders.

At some point your choice of words almost make me believe you don't understand how Bitcoin works, we all know that Bitcoin is very volatile it can go to any level at any instant but that doesn't mean if someone buys at that price you mentioned and didn't sell and peradventure Bitcoin drop to $30k that they will lose no, that's one of the feature of the market surely it will go up and I doubt if Bitcoin is going to go below $50k talk less of $30k. So what if after selling and Bitcoin didn't drop I mean, start pumping from there, off cause you will find it difficult to increase your portfolio to a reasonable figure of...

[Promocodeudo]

Yes, there is short term investment and long-term investment in bitcoin, and the difference is that for a short-term bitcoin investor, they are more like traders who are only more concerned about taking advantage of the current activity in the market, for example, a short-term investor may only be concerned about buying at a DIP and sells when the price skyrockets which is not a good practice for an investor because you can sell at a high price and the price may not DIP for you to buy back again and wait for when the price will rise for you to sell, but a long term investor is basically a hodler who has long term investment target such that they are not moved to sell their hodlings within a short interval no matter how high the volatility is, their major focus is mostly how to own a sizable portfolio for long term future growth. These kind of investors sees bitcoin as an asset that should be stored for value that is the reason why they are confident about the future of bitcoin because they know that they can realize a huge profit in the long run.
      Whether short term bitcoin investor or long-term bitcoin investor, everyone has the liberty to choose the one that works perfectly for them but i prefer the long-term investment because it gives you ease over your investment while watching it grow, and you will have the privilege of even accumulating and owning more bitcoins in your portfolio which will lead to fulfilling your investment goals.

You are right about your differentiation on long-term and short-term investor, I will like to add few things to the one you have said already, short-term investors are concerned about immediate profit or short-term profit, they don't care about what Bitcoin will be in the future, though they regret their actions in the future when they see Bitcoin making unimaginable fortune.
These investors have quick money mindset, sometimes it's funny when I see people making mistake in this kind of investment, bitcoin has always been a future investment but some perons choose to go otherwise against the main thing, though we have our decisions to make individually but what matters is the ability for us to do things rightly, personally if am to advise anyone, i will say it bodly that everyone should choose long-term goal,  many short-term investors that sold in the past keep regreting their actions, we are just close to $100$ which is a very good mile stone for bitcoin, as it is, I will advise everyone that are still in their early stage to keep accumulating Bitcoin because the $100k price will soon be a history and soon we will be talking about another ATH figure which is the hope we're talking about, so it will be advisable for us not to look at the current price but rather to look at what the future has for us as bitcoiners, for me long-term is always the goal nothing less than that.

[JayJuanGee]

Off cause $100k is not the main goal, it's just a new ATH and people were just anticipating to see it hit that amount and this great progress has really moved some people and even drag more attention to Bitcoin. Anyone who understands the potential of Bitcoin and has a big target won't make a mistake of selling there Bitcoin rather they will keep on accumulating and holding because it's really going to take anyone who sells his or her Bitcoin time to accumulate that same amount

What you said is very true because now it is very difficult to accumulate Bitcoin in the amount that we have previously owned or in the amount that we have sold in the past. But for those who have a long-term target in Bitcoin, of course the current price is not a barrier for people who have such a mindset to continue buying and holding it. Because they actually already understand that if Bitcoin can reach $100K in the near future, of course there is a possibility for Bitcoin to be at a much higher price level in the next year because it will also increase the attention of many parties to Bitcoin. And for now I still think that the potential for Bitcoin to continue to increase its price is still a lot, especially in the next year.

But it must also be realized that there are also risks, especially if you want to enter at a high price, you may have to wait a long time to get profit, it is true that it is for the long term but not always people will be patient when they see the investment they choose the price continues to decline.

Personally I assume that the increase in the price of Bitcoin in Bullrun this time exceeds 100k, just look at what is happening now and if we refer to what happened in the past, the peak of the bullrun should be early 2025 which means there will be a bigger spike than 100k.

I hate to repeat the contents of a post that I just made, so I will quote it, since it seems to be quite responsive to the kinds of newbie and/or hesitancies of newbies, even if they may well knowt that they are underaccumulated in their BTC stash size.

I think this close of 2024 with the beginning of 2025 will be something impressive for BTC, it is what many of us have been waiting for, without a doubt those who have BTC will become much more millionaires and that is something that I like, it is Something good and also for those of us who have little fraction in BTC that we have not yet reached to have one , it will be encouraging to see that despite so much that has happened it has been and will be worth it, for now I think the price can easily reach $ 300k and some may say that it is crazy, but who would have imagined that the price would be almost $ 100k, how much did you imagine in 2009? or in 2014? 2020? very few , so everything is possible.

Similar to past cycles, there seem to be quite a few newbies getting overly excited about $100k, and considering BTC to be exuberantly priced at such levels, so in that sense BTC newbies have similarities to no coiners and even to low coiners, including that an overwhelming majority of newbies are ultimately low coiners, but they don't even realize it and understand such matters, since many are not understanding bitcoin either.. so there is a tendency to either sell some or all of what little bitcoin that they already have or there is a tendency to slow down or stop in their BTC accumulation, which either their various tactics are not really going to help them while rich folks, institutions and governments are becoming aware of bitcoin and getting their own BTC stashes, in some cases in quite extreme kinds of ways, and not even doing so covertly in the case of MSTR.   

Hopefully guys realize that if they have not established their own bitcoin stash in such a way that they either have enough or more than enough, that they should be continuing to stack BTC fairly aggressively, so yeah whatever BTC may or may not reach $300k this cycle, but $300k still should be considered as a big SO FUCKING WHAT? if guys are barely stacking bitcoin or if their average cost per BTC are still in the $30k to $50k price range.

We are likely not going to be slowing down in ongoingly witnessing these kinds of errors from folks who have some BTC and become somewhat complacent since probably even if they realize that they have not reached anywhere close to overaccumulation status they are ongoingly failing/refusing to work towards getting to such personal stash-size status.  Whimpiness has paid off in the past, and sure it may still pay off in the future, yet potentially not as exponentially as it historically has done.. even though bitcoin still does remain to likely be the best of places to invest, the exponential nature of its growth curve is slowly becoming less and less steep.

So with you, LUCKMCFLY, you have been on the forum for more than 7 years.... hopefully you are continuing to work towards overaccumulation status in your BTC holdings in the event that you have not yet reached such status and/or if you might be too distracted by shitcoins (hahahahaha.. .sorry (not sorry) to go there... some of my good friends are shitcoiners.. and sometimes difficult to help someone to save themself from themself)..

 Now you, Xcode7, have been registered on the forum since early 2017, so potentially you have had some abilities to either stack a large enough BTC stack or to reach overaccumulation status, yet based on the contents of your post, I am getting the sense that might not sufficiently understand and/or appreciate bitcoin's actual price dynamics and/or how normies and/or newbies should be dealing with their BTC stash, whether they are in their accumulation stage or not, and surely I am not going to just presume very many guys (even seemingly bitcoin experienced ones here) have actually reached a status of either sufficient BTC accumulation or overaccumulation status.

Your points about peaking over $100k and peaking in early 2025 are both lame, even though surely both of them are likely to have some potential of truth.. yet come off as a bit misleading and presumptuous.. presuming you are not intentionally stating overly bearish expectations... or sure, it could be possible that you really believe what you are saying, so I don't want to be too harsh on you, since some folks are just overly conservative in their perspectives, and nothing really wrong about that except maybe the issue of proposing such scenarios as if they were reasonable base cases for BTC, as if you might be new here, when apparently from your forum registration date you are not new here.

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The best risk management in Bitcoin investment is involving one's self in long term hodling, we all know that Bitcoin is highly volatile in nature and predicting what will happen in a short period is very difficult and investing your money on Bitcoin in a short term basis is highly risky and should be avoided.

Holy shit.. I think that I am now starting to see why so many guys in this thread (and perhaps other similar threads) are associating long term BTC investment with reduction of risk.

Traditional market analysis equates volatility and risk, so guys seem to be doing the same thing, and that framework is not correct. So maybe we should try to speak more clearly in regards to what we are talking about, since surely long term will take out the volatility risk, but volatility is not the ONLY kind of risk.  There are risks of BTC holdings going to zero and/or failing to go up and other kind of risks that would contribute to downside risks.

So yeah, now I am beginning to recognize why so many guys are seeming to ongoingly and erroneously make such connection that the longer the investment timeline, the the less risk, which is mostly just true if you are ONLY focusing on volatility as a risk.

This is muddy since there are so many other ideas, in regards to cashflow management and position size that help to alleviate risk concerns, so that guys should be attempting to assess their level of aggressiveness in their BTC investment based on their understanding their discretionary income levels.

Your other point about long term HODLing.. also seems problematic.. since there are not that many newbie normies who are really able to lump sum invest into bitcoin or even if they focus a short time 6-12 months DCAing into bitcoin to establish their BTC position, there shouldn't really be any reasonable justification that they should just stop accumulating, and sure you might be attempt to stop guys from selling, so HODLing is a step better than selling, yet it still likely is not as good as continuing to buy...especially for newbies going through their first whole BTC cycle.

So yeah another error seems to be that newbies convert into overly whimpy and don't actually continue to attempt to somewhat aggressively accumulate BTC through a whole cycle.. .. they get distracted by the UPpity to stop accumulating and they wrongly conclude that they are engaging in a good practice because at least they are HODLing and they are not selling.. yet in the end they still end up being overly whimpily allocated to BTC... and so they end up not coming even close to the levels of benefiting from BTC as they could have had come if they had figured out ways to stop being so whimpy...but hey whatever, these are individual choices, and each of us has to decide and live with whatever consequences that end up coming from whatever approach we choose to take in regards to our BTC accumulation tactics.

Now engaging in long term hodling reduce risk of lost because no matter how volatile Bitcoin is it is still growing bigger in price but it only takes time that means if you are patient to wait while hodling you won't suffer much lose because by choosing long term hodling you have reduced risk of lost.

Why not keep buying BTC SuperBitMan?  Have you stopped buying? you have ONLY been in BTC for about 4-ish months, so it is difficult to imagine why you should have had already stopped buying, if that might be the case.

If I hear short term hodling all that comes to my mind is trading if you still involve in trading because of lack of patience then get ready to keep losing your money, if we make analysis of people who has made it very big today in Bitcoin investment you will mind out majority are long term hodler just imagine those who has been accumulating consistently and holding since 2012 or 2013 till date, like they always say patience is virtue.

Depends on which year anyone might have started accumulating, since it seems that anyone continuing to accumulate BTC would have had been able to stop at a certain point if it goes back that far, yet sure frequently mistakes are made along the way too.. so we cannot presume that mistakes were not made.

Part of the reason that I frequently likely to use 4 years as a discussion point is that it seems to be more realistic. instead of fantasizing about getting into bitcoin more than 10 years ago, which truly seems more and more ridiculous when thinking about it so much.. but anyhow, 4 years is more realistic as a kind of thinking framework, and even someone fairly aggressively accumulating bitcoin for 4-6 years might still have had not quite reached a sufficiently sized BTC stash in order to feel that he has reached overaccumulation status... but still we can still imagine varying scenarios, including scenarios in which some of the guys had been able to front load their BTC investment.. even though most people are likely going to need to rely on DCA since many folks do not necessarily have a lot of money to draw from, even though maybe once in a while they might be able to earn or to receive higher levels of income that they might be alble to lump sum invest into bitcoin.

Every one can be patience in Bitcoin investment just invest using discretionary income, have a good source of income and have a backup funds all this will help you hold for long without dipping hands into your Bitcoin investment.

That is true. Everyone is capable of either doing these kinds of things or aiming to do these kinds of things in order to be able to more aggressively continue to be able to accumulate BTC.. so hopefully no one gets discouraged from doing those kinds of things merely because the BTC price is going up quite a bit, especially in recent times.

[Mayor of ogba]

Instead of filling here with trading discussion when we are discussing how to buy and continue buying and holding, why not we take some of these discussion to the section meant for trading alone. There you can share your knowledge and experience about trading and it will be better appreciated because in here, most participants in this discussion are more focused in building their Bitcoin portfolio for long term HODL rather than buying and selling within a short interval of time which is what trading is basically about. I don't think there is anyone that condemned you for talking about trading just that your comments seems to be supporting trading in the wrong board, that is what I understand should be creating the reaction you are receiving from many people.

Most of us here have tried trading before learning how to invest and hold. If you will be honest with yourself, you will accept that holding comes with certain degree of peace that cannot be found in trading because in trading, your capital is constantly exposed to risk daily and weekly. This is the reason why many chose never to trade but concentrate in buying and holding.

In as much as we have passed through some processes of trading in life and have figured out that buying and hodling for the long term is probably the best approach to go about Bitcoin investment. This doesn't mean we can force our own side of things into another person. People will always make a decision that best suits their interests. And again, I wouldn't want to force my view on someone who hasn't seen the brighter side of it. Of course, we can share opinions and if such a person does not have his own personal condition it will be difficult for them to deviate from what they see is right.

Am sure many of us here have one way or another tried trading in the past. We know how long it took us to understand that it was the wrong path before we committed ourselves to long-term goals. In the meantime, there is a better approach to tell Tungbulu how dangerous trading is. Perhaps a real-life scenario/experience will be more encouraging. Let's just don't forget we didn't get to know about Bitcoin in the twinkle of an eye. Things we did wrong were part of what built our knowledge of how progressive and successful we have been in our investment.

Most People I have seen who are into landed property investment only sell land to buy another land at cheaper prices, meaning you can only sell your Bitcoin to Buy more Bitcoin, selling some portion at the top to buy back the dips.

Why will you even sell some portion of your bitcoin investment at the top just to buy back that same bitcoin you sold when bitcoin dumps when you are still in your accumulation stage? Since you are yet to accumulate the amount of bitcoin you want to hold, there is no need of selling your bitcoin at a high price with the idea to buy back when the price is low because you might get distracted with that, which might make you change your long-term vision on bitcoin investment to short-term vision. And I want you to understand that land investment and bitcoin investment are not the same. If you sell your land at a high price, there are a lot of possibilities that you will get a cheaper one to reinvent your money because there are so many underdeveloped areas covered with land, but if you sell your bitcoin at a high price just to buy back at a low price, you are gambling with your bitcoin investment because you are not certain if the dip will happen today or tomorrow or if you will ever see bitcoin at that same price you sold some portion of your bitcoin.

[Solokan]

It is not a new thing that buying bitcoin for a long term is the key success for an investors who has the understanding of bitcoin investment. And the subject makes.it clear for everyone here. It is to buy and it is to sell. In investment you buy and keep it for the period not time which is still low and once it is up to the time you will like to sell them you sell it and take your profits and this is the time of selling. Even if not all it is better to taste the $99k to the $100k then continue again for another All Time High for a long term investment. Investment should be on stages. And I think this is one of the stages to sell. Though it is not for all but those who like to.

Even though currently the price has almost reached 100K, for some people this price is not the main goal. Because bitcoin investment is an excellent store of value asset, many people who invest in bitcoin are not only looking for fiat profits, but the main factor is that bitcoin is an excellent store of value. So if you are a trader, maybe selling bitcoin right now is quite appropriate. But I won't do that, because I invested in bitcoin for a long time, so selling bitcoin now is the same as ruining my original mission.

Off cause $100k is not the main goal, it's just a new ATH and people were just anticipating to see it hit that amount and this great progress has really moved some people and even drag more attention to Bitcoin. Anyone who understands the potential of Bitcoin and has a big target won't make a mistake of selling there Bitcoin rather they will keep on accumulating and holding because it's really going to take anyone who sells his or her Bitcoin time to accumulate that same amount

I agree with your opinion that $100k is not the main goal of a true BTC investor and indeed sometimes if we sell BTC we don't necessarily get the price we bought it for, especially now with the victory of Trump who will become President of BTC. United States, it is very clear that BTC has a bright future. and of course now it has been proven that the price of BTC has exceeded the new price during the bull run yesterday 2021 and of course for people who sell BTC at cheap prices it is now difficult to get BTC at cheap prices.

Yes, anyone who has a broad understanding of BTC and has a big target will definitely not sell his BTC even though it has reached a price of $100k, in fact he will definitely continue to increase the amount of BTC by doing DCA regularly. and what is certain is that over time our number of BTC will increase and what is certain is that in the future we will have a lot of BTC and of course if we have collected a lot of BTC we will certainly be successful.

Yes, for me personally, currently I am still continuing DCA and of course want to own large amounts of BTC.

[Rabata]

Instead of filling here with trading discussion when we are discussing how to buy and continue buying and holding, why not we take some of these discussion to the section meant for trading alone. There you can share your knowledge and experience about trading and it will be better appreciated because in here, most participants in this discussion are more focused in building their Bitcoin portfolio for long term HODL rather than buying and selling within a short interval of time which is what trading is basically about. I don't think there is anyone that condemned you for talking about trading just that your comments seems to be supporting trading in the wrong board, that is what I understand should be creating the reaction you are receiving from many people.

Most of us here have tried trading before learning how to invest and hold. If you will be honest with yourself, you will accept that holding comes with certain degree of peace that cannot be found in trading because in trading, your capital is constantly exposed to risk daily and weekly. This is the reason why many chose never to trade but concentrate in buying and holding.

In as much as we have passed through some processes of trading in life and have figured out that buying and hodling for the long term is probably the best approach to go about Bitcoin investment. This doesn't mean we can force our own side of things into another person. People will always make a decision that best suits their interests. And again, I wouldn't want to force my view on someone who hasn't seen the brighter side of it. Of course, we can share opinions and if such a person does not have his own personal condition it will be difficult for them to deviate from what they see is right.

Am sure many of us here have one way or another tried trading in the past. We know how long it took us to understand that it was the wrong path before we committed ourselves to long-term goals. In the meantime, there is a better approach to tell Tungbulu how dangerous trading is. Perhaps a real-life scenario/experience will be more encouraging. Let's just don't forget we didn't get to know about Bitcoin in the twinkle of an eye. Things we did wrong were part of what built our knowledge of how progressive and successful we have been in our investment.

Most People I have seen who are into landed property investment only sell land to buy another land at cheaper prices, meaning you can only sell your Bitcoin to Buy more Bitcoin, selling some portion at the top to buy back the dips.

Why will you even sell some portion of your bitcoin investment at the top just to buy back that same bitcoin you sold when bitcoin dumps when you are still in your accumulation stage? Since you are yet to accumulate the amount of bitcoin you want to hold, there is no need of selling your bitcoin at a high price with the idea to buy back when the price is low because you might get distracted with that, which might make you change your long-term vision on bitcoin investment to short-term vision.

If an investor is interested in selling some portion of bitcoin and buying back again, then he will be a Bitcoin trader, which will definitely hinder long-term accumulation. If you invest considering long-term profits rather than thinking about temporary Bitcoin profits and do DCA regularly, then it is definitely possible to collect Bitcoin continuously, which will help in creating large assets in the long term. It is only necessary to remember that Bitcoin has been able to change rapidly from the state it was in a few months ago. Bitcoin is currently on a target of touching around 100k and in the future this price will gradually move towards a new target. But if an investor deviates from the line before reaching the specified target, then he will miss the train that will not be able to take him to his destination. The price of Bitcoin is in the state it is in today, if we cannot catch it now, it will become more unaffordable in the future. Therefore, if you plan for the long term rather than looking at small gains, you will definitely be able to achieve your goals.

[Stablexcoin]

Ruttoshi can you see a newbie user of Zozain explained the different between investment and trading? How can you categorized 4 years store of bitcoin in a wallet as trading. Who does that? Please don't go and argue this in your environment with someone who is very good with bitcoin investment and trading. And you need to leave forum and go and learn more about investment and trading before coming back to forum because you have been in this forum for about 3 years yet you don't know what is bitcoin investment. So if I keep my bitcoin of 0.09 in my wallet for 4 years and it hit 1.5 BTC and I am satisfied with it so I sold it and invest 80% again when the price goes down and you team it trading? Then you are still in the dream world of bitcoin investment.

JayJuanGee you don't have to make comment here. Let them defend themselves. Thanks.

I got much interested in the bolded part of your comment. And i want to clear the air on that. Many people belive that a 4 year investment is a short term investment and i can agree on that because it all depends on what you defined to be short term or a long term. Before investing, it's important to map out the longevity of our investment based on the market outlook, our accumulation goals, risk tolerance, and unforeseen events. This will determine how we can classify our investment to be either a short-term investment or a long-term investment.

On norms, it's literally believed that any plans within 1 - 3 years are short-term and 4 - and above is considered long-term. Considering that the Bitcoin cycle is every 4 years I can agree that a 4 years investment can be called a short-term investment. The reason is that you spend 1-3 years accumulating and then you choose to take your profit in the fourth year due to the belief that after the halving the price will skyrocket. Any investor who experienced 3 to 4 cycles in Bitcoin investment has had a long-term investment in my own perceptive.

I dont want to believe that you are one of those few folks who see 4 years of trading to be an investment.

[Olatundespo]

It is not a new thing that buying bitcoin for a long term is the key success for an investors who has the understanding of bitcoin investment. And the subject makes.it clear for everyone here. It is to buy and it is to sell. In investment you buy and keep it for the period not time which is still low and once it is up to the time you will like to sell them you sell it and take your profits and this is the time of selling. Even if not all it is better to taste the $99k to the $100k then continue again for another All Time High for a long term investment. Investment should be on stages. And I think this is one of the stages to sell. Though it is not for all but those who like to.

Even though currently the price has almost reached 100K, for some people this price is not the main goal. Because bitcoin investment is an excellent store of value asset, many people who invest in bitcoin are not only looking for fiat profits, but the main factor is that bitcoin is an excellent store of value. So if you are a trader, maybe selling bitcoin right now is quite appropriate. But I won't do that, because I invested in bitcoin for a long time, so selling bitcoin now is the same as ruining my original mission.

Off cause $100k is not the main goal, it's just a new ATH and people were just anticipating to see it hit that amount and this great progress has really moved some people and even drag more attention to Bitcoin. Anyone who understands the potential of Bitcoin and has a big target won't make a mistake of selling there Bitcoin rather they will keep on accumulating and holding because it's really going to take anyone who sells his or her Bitcoin time to accumulate that same amount

I agree with your opinion that $100k is not the main goal of a true BTC investor and indeed sometimes if we sell BTC we don't necessarily get the price we bought it for, especially now with the victory of Trump who will become President of BTC. United States, it is very clear that BTC has a bright future. and of course now it has been proven that the price of BTC has exceeded the new price during the bull run yesterday 2021 and of course for people who sell BTC at cheap prices it is now difficult to get BTC at cheap prices.

Yes, anyone who has a broad understanding of BTC and has a big target will definitely not sell his BTC even though it has reached a price of $100k, in fact he will definitely continue to increase the amount of BTC by doing DCA regularly. and what is certain is that over time our number of BTC will increase and what is certain is that in the future we will have a lot of BTC and of course if we have collected a lot of BTC we will certainly be successful.

Yes, for me personally, currently I am still continuing DCA and of course want to own large amounts of BTC.

For example, if an investor has an average buying price of $71k, if he decides to sell at this time, he may have a high profit. Of course, it may be difficult for him to come back from that greed. However, I would say that if you are interested in getting several times more profit from Bitcoin, then you should keep the DCA running and be calm to increase the holding. Setting an initial value of $100k can be helpful for an investor to focus on in terms of savings. I prefer the DCA method of saving Bitcoin so that even if it is a small amount, it will continue to be a Bitcoin holding and keep a long-term focus without focusing too much on the price.

With Trump becoming president, the value of Bitcoin will increase further and it is probably said that he can take efforts to increase Bitcoin but you should not get too hopeful about one person because after assuming power of the state, his attitude may change or he may make decisions contrary to what he campaigned for to win the election. You should make your investment decisions with every possibility in mind so as to reduce additional risks.

I find the DCA method most suitable for Bitcoin accumulation and through which an investor can deposit his discretionary assets in any amount he wishes on a weekly or monthly basis. For the growth of wealth, along with the income, the amount of Bitcoin accumulation should be increased at regular intervals.

[Cryptoprincess101]

Off cause $100k is not the main goal, it's just a new ATH and people were just anticipating to see it hit that amount and this great progress has really moved some people and even drag more attention to Bitcoin. Anyone who understands the potential of Bitcoin and has a big target won't make a mistake of selling there Bitcoin rather they will keep on accumulating and holding because it's really going to take anyone who sells his or her Bitcoin time to accumulate that same amount

What you said is very true because now it is very difficult to accumulate Bitcoin in the amount that we have previously owned or in the amount that we have sold in the past. But for those who have a long-term target in Bitcoin, of course the current price is not a barrier for people who have such a mindset to continue buying and holding it. Because they actually already understand that if Bitcoin can reach $100K in the near future, of course there is a possibility for Bitcoin to be at a much higher price level in the next year because it will also increase the attention of many parties to Bitcoin. And for now I still think that the potential for Bitcoin to continue to increase its price is still a lot, especially in the next year.

But it must also be realized that there are also risks, especially if you want to enter at a high price, you may have to wait a long time to get profit, it is true that it is for the long term but not always people will be patient when they see the investment they choose the price continues to decline.

Personally I assume that the increase in the price of Bitcoin in Bullrun this time exceeds 100k, just look at what is happening now and if we refer to what happened in the past, the peak of the bullrun should be early 2025 which means there will be a bigger spike than 100k.

I hate to repeat the contents of a post that I just made, so I will quote it, since it seems to be quite responsive to the kinds of newbie and/or hesitancies of newbies, even if they may well knowt that they are underaccumulated in their BTC stash size.

I think this close of 2024 with the beginning of 2025 will be something impressive for BTC, it is what many of us have been waiting for, without a doubt those who have BTC will become much more millionaires and that is something that I like, it is Something good and also for those of us who have little fraction in BTC that we have not yet reached to have one , it will be encouraging to see that despite so much that has happened it has been and will be worth it, for now I think the price can easily reach $ 300k and some may say that it is crazy, but who would have imagined that the price would be almost $ 100k, how much did you imagine in 2009? or in 2014? 2020? very few , so everything is possible.

Similar to past cycles, there seem to be quite a few newbies getting overly excited about $100k, and considering BTC to be exuberantly priced at such levels, so in that sense BTC newbies have similarities to no coiners and even to low coiners, including that an overwhelming majority of newbies are ultimately low coiners, but they don't even realize it and understand such matters, since many are not understanding bitcoin either.. so there is a tendency to either sell some or all of what little bitcoin that they already have or there is a tendency to slow down or stop in their BTC accumulation, which either their various tactics are not really going to help them while rich folks, institutions and governments are becoming aware of bitcoin and getting their own BTC stashes, in some cases in quite extreme kinds of ways, and not even doing so covertly in the case of MSTR.   

Hopefully guys realize that if they have not established their own bitcoin stash in such a way that they either have enough or more than enough, that they should be continuing to stack BTC fairly aggressively, so yeah whatever BTC may or may not reach $300k this cycle, but $300k still should be considered as a big SO FUCKING WHAT? if guys are barely stacking bitcoin or if their average cost per BTC are still in the $30k to $50k price range.

We are likely not going to be slowing down in ongoingly witnessing these kinds of errors from folks who have some BTC and become somewhat complacent since probably even if they realize that they have not reached anywhere close to overaccumulation status they are ongoingly failing/refusing to work towards getting to such personal stash-size status.  Whimpiness has paid off in the past, and sure it may still pay off in the future, yet potentially not as exponentially as it historically has done.. even though bitcoin still does remain to likely be the best of places to invest, the exponential nature of its growth curve is slowly becoming less and less steep.

So with you, LUCKMCFLY, you have been on the forum for more than 7 years.... hopefully you are continuing to work towards overaccumulation status in your BTC holdings in the event that you have not yet reached such status and/or if you might be too distracted by shitcoins (hahahahaha.. .sorry (not sorry) to go there... some of my good friends are shitcoiners.. and sometimes difficult to help someone to save themself from themself)..

 Now you, Xcode7, have been registered on the forum since early 2017, so potentially you have had some abilities to either stack a large enough BTC stack or to reach overaccumulation status, yet based on the contents of your post, I am getting the sense that might not sufficiently understand and/or appreciate bitcoin's actual price dynamics and/or how normies and/or newbies should be dealing with their BTC stash, whether they are in their accumulation stage or not, and surely I am not going to just presume very many guys (even seemingly bitcoin experienced ones here) have actually reached a status of either sufficient BTC accumulation or overaccumulation status.

JayJuanGee, there is no need making assumptions of when they started making their investments in bitcoin based on their registration dates because there are folks who have already started making investments in bitcoin before joining the forum and there are others who also got there first experience about bitcoin investment from the forum while there are also others who are yet to invest even though they have been in the forum for some numbers of years now. So, it will be difficult to know if everyone owns some amount of bitcoins in their individual portfolio, since we have a lot of no coiners and low coiners. Nevertheless, your understanding about bitcoin investment is way higher than the knowledge of most of us here, so we keep learning from your explanations about bitcoin investment.

Your points about peaking over $100k and peaking in early 2025 are both lame, even though surely both of them are likely to have some potential of truth.. yet come off as a bit misleading and presumptuous.. presuming you are not intentionally stating overly bearish expectations... or sure, it could be possible that you really believe what you are saying, so I don't want to be too harsh on you, since some folks are just overly conservative in their perspectives, and nothing really wrong about that except maybe the issue of proposing such scenarios as if they were reasonable base cases for BTC, as if you might be new here, when apparently from your forum registration date you are not new here.

Very lame points he made there because saying that bitcoin may not go further than $100k in early 2025 seem more like an understanding of a newbie who knows nothing about volatility. But JJG, you can't judge people's experience in bitcoin by their forum registration dates because there are folks here who has spent more than a couple of years in this forum but yet doesn't know anything about bitcoin investment.

[DiMarxist]

24,000 BTC was sold recently from unknown wallet. And Satoshi Nakamoto is the suspect of the huge sale. But I don't think it is Satoshi Nakamoto because the wallet accumulated BTC from 2019 but Satoshi Nakamoto started his from 2009 so it is not him. Probably it an another whale.


Some of the onset investors will sell in this period.

[Ambatman]

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Everything are just speculations.
There are no evidence pointing that they belong to Satoshi and even if it is
At least they doing it discreetly.
I won't be surprised if satoshi continued mining or his still a miner Even till date with him been alive been constant.



We experiencing a slight dip a minor pull back but the eyes is on the future not the now.
Don't get the mindset that you want to sell now and buy later at a cheaper rate even if your analysis dictates that.

[sotelorene]

Instead of filling here with trading discussion when we are discussing how to buy and continue buying and holding, why not we take some of these discussion to the section meant for trading alone. There you can share your knowledge and experience about trading and it will be better appreciated because in here, most participants in this discussion are more focused in building their Bitcoin portfolio for long term HODL rather than buying and selling within a short interval of time which is what trading is basically about. I don't think there is anyone that condemned you for talking about trading just that your comments seems to be supporting trading in the wrong board, that is what I understand should be creating the reaction you are receiving from many people.

Most of us here have tried trading before learning how to invest and hold. If you will be honest with yourself, you will accept that holding comes with certain degree of peace that cannot be found in trading because in trading, your capital is constantly exposed to risk daily and weekly. This is the reason why many chose never to trade but concentrate in buying and holding.

In as much as we have passed through some processes of trading in life and have figured out that buying and hodling for the long term is probably the best approach to go about Bitcoin investment. This doesn't mean we can force our own side of things into another person. People will always make a decision that best suits their interests. And again, I wouldn't want to force my view on someone who hasn't seen the brighter side of it. Of course, we can share opinions and if such a person does not have his own personal condition it will be difficult for them to deviate from what they see is right.

Am sure many of us here have one way or another tried trading in the past. We know how long it took us to understand that it was the wrong path before we committed ourselves to long-term goals. In the meantime, there is a better approach to tell Tungbulu how dangerous trading is. Perhaps a real-life scenario/experience will be more encouraging. Let's just don't forget we didn't get to know about Bitcoin in the twinkle of an eye. Things we did wrong were part of what built our knowledge of how progressive and successful we have been in our investment.

Most People I have seen who are into landed property investment only sell land to buy another land at cheaper prices, meaning you can only sell your Bitcoin to Buy more Bitcoin, selling some portion at the top to buy back the dips.

Why will you even sell some portion of your bitcoin investment at the top just to buy back that same bitcoin you sold when bitcoin dumps when you are still in your accumulation stage? Since you are yet to accumulate the amount of bitcoin you want to hold, there is no need of selling your bitcoin at a high price with the idea to buy back when the price is low because you might get distracted with that, which might make you change your long-term vision on bitcoin investment to short-term vision. And I want you to understand that land investment and bitcoin investment are not the same. If you sell your land at a high price, there are a lot of possibilities that you will get a cheaper one to reinvent your money because there are so many underdeveloped areas covered with land, but if you sell your bitcoin at a high price just to buy back at a low price, you are gambling with your bitcoin investment because you are not certain if the dip will happen today or tomorrow or if you will ever see bitcoin at that same price you sold some portion of your bitcoin.

You are actually right, Bitcoin investment is different from land investment but the truth is both are good investment. Selling Bitcoin because of the value it has gotten to is a trader mindset and this also means that the person doesn't really understand what Bitcoin investment is all about, the potential of Bitcoin and the person doesn't believe in long term investment. This high value of Bitcoin is not the end point of Bitcoin that is to say that Bitcoin is still going to pump even though there will be a Dip. However, when we sell land to buy new one sometimes it's not that easy to get a cheaper one, you will have to search and search and if you are in a developed area you won't easily find a cheaper one that's a little similarity with Bitcoin, when you sell your coin sometimes you may not see dip to invest back again unless you are fortunate to sell when Bitcoin is about to dip but it's not advisable to sell your Bitcoin and wait for dip to invest again it's a very wrong strategy for me.

[Barikui1]

Edited .

Everything are just speculations.
There are no evidence pointing that they belong to Satoshi and even if it is
At least they doing it discreetly.
I won't be surprised if satoshi continued mining or his still a miner Even till date with him been alive been constant.



We experiencing a slight dip a minor pull back but the eyes is on the future not the now.
Don't get the mindset that you want to sell now and buy later at a cheaper rate even if your analysis dictates that.

I think you are right, and I also share the same sentiment with you bro, nothing is proven, till then I take it as mere speculations, because I know for a fact that Satoshi is not that myopic to be selling his Bitcoin so cheap, when he actually knows that this current price of Bitcoin is nowhere near it peak price.

Selling of a total of 24k btc at this present rate is way too much of a loss for someone as intelligent as satoshi to fall for, if truly this particular transaction are true, then I believe that it might be one of those early investors that got Bitcoin very very cheap, and he or she  now feels like his target have been met, Satoshi wouldn't waste his current Bitcoin holdings like this, when he knows the true potential of Bitcoin and how much it can rise up to in the future, so am quite confident on that it's not Satoshi making such a wrong move.

[SuperBitMan]

24,000 BTC was sold recently from unknown wallet. And Satoshi Nakamoto is the suspect of the huge sale. But I don't think it is Satoshi Nakamoto because the wallet accumulated BTC from 2019 but Satoshi Nakamoto started his from 2009 so it is not him. Probably it an another whale.


Some of the onset investors will sell in this period.

Shitcoins creators are the once bring up this news to make people believe the same thing they are doing is same thing the creator of Bitcoin is doing.
The way the creator of Bitcoin which is satoshi nakamoto did you will know his not a froster he didn't create Bitcoin and make people invest and later he sold all his coin and making the coin to drop, even if his alive and selling his coin now is not affecting anyone he has accumulated enough so he can sell if he wishes his not like shitcoin creators who will scam people by making them invest and when the coin start growing in value and price the creator being the highest holders sells all there coin and making it to drop and those that were holding loses there money.
Bitcoin can never be like those shitcoin no matter how they try to make up story's it won't prove anything.

[Odohu]

You are actually right, Bitcoin investment is different from land investment but the truth is both are good investment. Selling Bitcoin because of the value it has gotten to is a trader mindset and this also means that the person doesn't really understand what Bitcoin investment is all about, the potential of Bitcoin and the person doesn't believe in long term investment. This high value of Bitcoin is not the end point of Bitcoin that is to say that Bitcoin is still going to pump even though there will be a Dip. However, when we sell land to buy new one sometimes it's not that easy to get a cheaper one, you will have to search and search and if you are in a developed area you won't easily find a cheaper one that's a little similarity with Bitcoin, when you sell your coin sometimes you may not see dip to invest back again unless you are fortunate to sell when Bitcoin is about to dip but it's not advisable to sell your Bitcoin and wait for dip to invest again it's a very wrong strategy for me.

I agree with you dip to Bitcoin investment different from land businesses again unless you are fortunate to sell when Bitcoin is about to dip but it's not advisable to sell your Bitcoin and wait for dip to invest again it's a very risk for me.
investment at the top just to buy again , that same bitcoin you sold when bitcoin dumps when you are still in your accumulation period

I don't know if you are only a newbie to this forum alone or to also Bitcoin but the best advice anyone can give to you is to start investing in Bitcoin using the DCA method; it worked for me and many others following this discussion and I'm sure it will work for you as well. The DCA method is easy to apply and brings you real comfort when it comes to investing because it removes FOMO and the need to worry about what the price of Bitcoin is, be it at the top or bottom... you job is limited to placing your orders when the time is right for you to do so.

As you no, whatever method you are using to invest, you must not invest all your money into Bitcoin but only the amount that can allow you hold for a long time and not feel pressured to sell. You can even put more protection on your Bitcoin by setting aside some emergency which will come in handy when you have something that requires spending money on urgently which your budget for basic needs did not cover. With this in place, you will freely protect your Bitcoin portfolio and build it for as long as you want so you can benefit from the gains of long term investment in BItcoin.

[JayJuanGee]

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JayJuanGee, there is no need making assumptions of when they started making their investments in bitcoin based on their registration dates because there are folks who have already started making investments in bitcoin before joining the forum and there are others who also got there first experience about bitcoin investment from the forum while there are also others who are yet to invest even though they have been in the forum for some numbers of years now. So, it will be difficult to know if everyone owns some amount of bitcoins in their individual portfolio, since we have a lot of no coiners and low coiners. Nevertheless, your understanding about bitcoin investment is way higher than the knowledge of most of us here, so we keep learning from your explanations about bitcoin investment.

I thought that I already addressed this several times, and in essence the idea is that I use the presumption of any forum member's registration date as the date that they started in BTC, unless they clarify their situation more specifically, and surely none of us can remember details of other forum members, so from my point of view it is way better to specifically outline the timeline so that there is one less variable to deal with rather than coming out with some waffling and vague and nonspecific statement that does not mean anything so it seems way better to try to put some parameters on our hypotheticals when possible rather than discussing vague and meaningless hypotheticals. 

Another thing is that a lot of the post should not devolve too much into personal circumstances anyhow, so whatever start date we are discussing can tend to be a parameter and not really very personal. 

By the way some forum members come out punching and swinging and bragging about whatever strategy they are doing and/or recommending, and it is pretty fucking rare that whatever their dumbass proposed strategy (frequently involving trading) is going to actually beat a long term strategy that focuses mostly on ongoing, persistent and consistent BTC accumulation. So even if a forum member does not want to provide their specific performance as compared to a straight-forward accumulation strategy (they almost never do), at least they can consider whatever dumb shit they are talking about (including trading ideas) in light of long term BTC DCA accumulation strategies.., which is almost always better to plug some kind of a date in there rather than just fucking around trying figure out it could be 1 month or it could be 6 years.. blah blah blah nonsense. 

Let's pick a date, and if the date is wrong, then the person being described can clarify if the time is longer or shorter or if there might be some exigent circumstances/details that he might want to mention to clarify his particular situation.

Your points about peaking over $100k and peaking in early 2025 are both lame, even though surely both of them are likely to have some potential of truth.. yet come off as a bit misleading and presumptuous.. presuming you are not intentionally stating overly bearish expectations... or sure, it could be possible that you really believe what you are saying, so I don't want to be too harsh on you, since some folks are just overly conservative in their perspectives, and nothing really wrong about that except maybe the issue of proposing such scenarios as if they were reasonable base cases for BTC, as if you might be new here, when apparently from your forum registration date you are not new here.

Very lame points he made there because saying that bitcoin may not go further than $100k in early 2025 seem more like an understanding of a newbie who knows nothing about volatility. But JJG, you can't judge people's experience in bitcoin by their forum registration dates because there are folks here who has spent more than a couple of years in this forum but yet doesn't know anything about bitcoin investment.

Sure it is true that there are some forum members who have been registered years and years and years, and hardly know shit about bitcoin, and there hardly aren't any ways to know except to perhaps interact a bit with the forum member, and surely some members spend a lot of time with shitcoins and in the gambling section of the forum too, and I suppose if I or anyone else might make wrong assumptions then the other member has full rights to clarify any wrong assumptions, especially if they are engaging in good faith then they should not have any issues to interact about various topics.  Sure, I understand that there are a lot of trolls and shills too.. and so many of those members will not interact, but that's o.k..... I still prefer to get into specifics and even presume that we have adults with various basic levels of knowledge.. .. and they can specificy their situation if my characterizations are not at least somewhere in the ballpark.

Another thing that I like to presume is that an overswhelming number of regular people hardly have any investments at all and most are low coiners or no coiners, and sure we have higher level of coiners in the forum, but I am not going to necessarily presume than any member has been investing aggressively into bitcoin since their forum registration date, so that is why we can presume within a range that would fall somewhere between whimpy and aggressive... and if the situation needs clarification, then the other forum member can clarify.  I have not tended to be shy about my own history, at least describing some parameters around what I have done and what I have been doing even though I might not give all the details out of some OPSec concerns.

So even you, you ONLY have a bit over a year of forum registration, so you might want to say something about yourself and whatever that you might have had been doing in regards to your bitcoin accumulation or your bitcoin situation in that little over a year period or if your relevant period is longer or shorter than your forum registration date... to the extent any of that might be relevant to any points that you might be wanting to make or perhaps you might want to present one or two hypothetical persons and to make comparisons of them in order to make such points.

........ especially now with the victory of Trump who will become President of BTC. United States, it is very clear that BTC has a bright future. .......

Bitcoin does not have a president and does not need any government or any leader.  Anyone, including Trump or the USA govt or any other govt, trying to put themselves as bitcoin leader will likely find themselves in conflict with the decentralized aspects of bitcoin and potentially cause tensions and/or forks.

In other words, politicians and governments need bitcoin.  Bitcoin does not need them.

Surely there are going to be some politicians, bankers, governments and/or other rich folks or conglomerates that are going to try to co-opt, control and/or change bitcoin to their personal benefits, and hopefully they are called out before doing too much damage, yet surely there are potentials for forks when these kinds of dynamics end up getting employed by small groups trying to change bitcoin without some kind of reasonable and/or likely messy process of achieving consensus.

24,000 BTC was sold recently from unknown wallet. And Satoshi Nakamoto is the suspect of the huge sale. But I don't think it is Satoshi Nakamoto because the wallet accumulated BTC from 2019 but Satoshi Nakamoto started his from 2009 so it is not him. Probably it an another whale.

Some of the onset investors will sell in this period.

That is a lame post since Satoshi is likely dead.. so any extraordinary claims that any of his coins having had been sold or moved (by him) need to be accompanied by extraordinary evidence rather than bare assertions that hardly have any evidence at all.