US-China economy war + radical Trump = higher inflation + interest rates + war

[cxtreenal]

I wonder those who voted for this idiot, what would they have to say on this! Do we have American citizens in this forum? I am eagerly waiting for someone who is an American, would respond to my questions! Are you guys liking what your dear President is doing to your country and your economy? What would you be doing in this situation! Would you vote for this man again? The cause of all these nonsense? 

There is no need for any individual to answer to your question. Just look to the US and you'll get your answer in the countless people who have been protesting across USA for the past couple of weeks against Trump's various decisions from his economic policies that has ruined their lives all the way to his aggression toward immigrants which is the most absurd in my opinion considering how everyone including Trump himself is an immigrant in the US, people like him just got off the boat sooner!

Her is an example where terms like "Fascist Dictatorship" are becoming regular:
https://news.sky.com/story/anti-trump-protests-sweep-america-for-the-second-time-in-weeks-13352268

Protests were held against the aggression against immigrants, the decision to reduce and close funding for various universities, and other Fascist Dictatorship behaviors. Americans were seen protesting in Lafayette Square in front of the White House. Protests were organized in fifty states, which is the second protest in the states after Trump took office for his second term. The program was called the "National Day of Action" in protest of various controversial issues taken by Trump.

Another stubborn decision is the issuance of an executive order by Trump to restructure the State Department. It will decide to wind down almost all activities from African countries and recommends closing embassies and consulates from these countries. President Trump can sign the executive order in this country this week.


https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/20/us/politics/trump-state-department-overhaul.html

[Cossyblack]

Jeffrey sachs was so brave to speak out against Donald Trump trade war,like if his top advisers aren't ready to speak the truth to him,some else has to. he was bold enough to say the truth that the US hate China because China is big and successful,in a trade war between the US and China,China will eventually win because China doesn't depend on the US Market. I so much Love this man for been courageous to speak the truth.

China wins a trade war with the U.S.” — Jeffrey Sachs

China produces, while the U.S. consumes on credit.

Trump doesn’t get it because "he never made it to the second day of econ class."

"Our political system is in a state of collapse watch video

I always tell people that Donald Trump is a psycho that is leading the US to disaster. I believe no sane person would just assume office and start imposing high tariff on other nations.its totally wrong because it's gonna make things more complicated and difficult for other countries. Today Americans like Jeffrey Sachs knows that Donald Trump is playing a dangerous game and he is indirectly making China more powerful with his trade war.

[justdimin]

It might be true that some of or these companies make use of cheap labour by immigrants to produce in Europe. But we cannot certainly state that they might not make these luxury brands in China. The fashion production industry is fragmented. The leather of a bag can be processed in another country, the sawing could be in another place while the finishing can be done in Europe. Then these luxury brands will label the bags made in Europe. These companies can do anything within their power to make lots of profit, which could include producing in China and labeling it made in Europe.

That is basically what I tried to convene, also, if these manufacturing places ever wanted to buy one of these bags, and do the same thing then they could too, there is really nothing preventing them. So even if these companies didn't use Chinese manufacturing, the idea of "you can literally buy the same bag here for cheaper" is still valid, because they can literally buy just one bag, and do a thousand of them easily, because of copyright not being an issue for them, there isn't really anything preventing them to do this now. So, it is not even about actually buying from there or not, it is about ethics.

And if companies are not ethical, then the customer is not forced to be ethical neither, and can buy. We just need to know the truth, doesn't mean we need to change.

[Die_empty]

I wonder those who voted for this idiot, what would they have to say on this! Do we have American citizens in this forum? I am eagerly waiting for someone who is an American, would respond to my questions! Are you guys liking what your dear President is doing to your country and your economy? What would you be doing in this situation! Would you vote for this man again? The cause of all these nonsense? 

Nature has a way of achieving its plans at a given time. Some nations have been complaining about the great influence the US has over the global economy. For a long time, many nations have been clamoring for de-dollarization. The US has held nations bound because they are their biggest trading partners.

Donald Trump's policies are gradually changing the narrative. With many countries seeking alternative trading partners, the use of local currencies will improve while the dollars will be ditched. So don't worry; Trump's victory is a blessing in disguise to nations that are pushing for de-dollarization.

[cabron]

I wonder those who voted for this idiot, what would they have to say on this! Do we have American citizens in this forum? I am eagerly waiting for someone who is an American, would respond to my questions! Are you guys liking what your dear President is doing to your country and your economy? What would you be doing in this situation! Would you vote for this man again? The cause of all these nonsense? 

Nature has a way of achieving its plans at a given time. Some nations have been complaining about the great influence the US has over the global economy. For a long time, many nations have been clamoring for de-dollarization. The US has held nations bound because they are their biggest trading partners.

Donald Trump's policies are gradually changing the narrative. With many countries seeking alternative trading partners, the use of local currencies will improve while the dollars will be ditched. So don't worry; Trump's victory is a blessing in disguise to nations that are pushing for de-dollarization.

Well there is always consequences to all his action. We don't know yet what would be the result to all his policies but seeing Bitcoin is making its way up, maybe his goal is closer to achieved by doing all his crazy ideas. De-dolarization seem to be happening even before Biden, they know a few countries are sanctioned through Swift so they know possibilities since then.

If can't remove FED chair in order to execute his plans to bail markets, I think he will be moving to stablecoin and from there printing stablecoin to save the markets could be his favorable plan for all.

[EarnOnVictor]

Well there is always consequences to all his action. We don't know yet what would be the result to all his policies but seeing Bitcoin is making its way up, maybe his goal is closer to achieved by doing all his crazy ideas.

The consequence? The effect of Trump's action will linger for decades, it will change the economic landscape of the US and will reduce its dominance in the world space.

As for Bitcoin, though it can be affected for a while, it will dust itself off because Bitcoin is being controlled by a large community of die-hard players.

De-dolarization seem to be happening even before Biden, they know a few countries are sanctioned through Swift so they know possibilities since then.

If the US did the right thing by making countries and allies feel important, it would continue to dominate politically, and possibly, the de-dollarisation agenda may fail or be weakened. Not what Trump is doing, that friends, partners and allies are now like enemies. They wouldn't care about another alliance.

[philipma1957]

Look USA played China to help put Russia in place.

This started with Nixon in thr early 70s

The project failed.

Now USA is going buddy buddy with Putin to fuck China.

Look at a map of the Artic Ocean

Russia
Norway
Greenland
Canada
USA/Alaska fully surround the Artic Ocean

Trump wants three things.
Melt icecaps
Lockup Greenland
Get Panama Canal back.

The tariffs are a magicians trick to distract the world
The poor treatment of illegal aliens are more smoke and mirrors.


As for clean and green read that China is now leading the way on green energy
And USA + Russia are leading the way on dirty energy.

In a way I do wish that I was 20 not 68 as I would like to see how this new game plays out.

I WILL LIKELY DIE BEFORE THE ARTIC SEA MELTS .

What proof do I have?

China has made a new cleaner nuke power plant = greener and keeps melt from stopping.
China has landed on moon?
Do one knows how everything flash froze wooly mamouths and saber tooth tigers yet a massive instant freeze did happen.
I know for fact that thousands of tundra core samples were taken in Alaska and Siberia.
I know people personally that took samples.

All of the above sounds like sci fi conspiracy theory.

But
 core samples taken = true
Massive flash freeze= true
China landed on the moon= true
Melting the Artic Ocean  favors five countries = true
Reclaiming the Panama canal zone = good for control of shipping for usa
China built a better safer nuke reactor = true

[pooya87]

China produces, while the U.S. consumes on credit.
Trump doesn’t get it because "he never made it to the second day of econ class."

This has been a disaster in the making for decades though. Dating probably as far back as 1970's  if not farther back, when they introduced their biggest scam named Petrodollar and the dollar became the currency used for international trades.
This decision destroyed the production based US economy and turned it into a debt based economy. For decades they printed dollar (created debt) and bought (imported) real goods with it! That chicken has come home to roost now...

The tariffs are a magicians trick to distract the world

A lot of the things he does are indeed a distraction and just chest pounding but not tariffs. The budget deficit is $2 trillion and the situation is deteriorating rapidly while the spending is on the rise. For example they just wasted over a billion dollar in the Red Sea trying and failing to open it for the Zionist occupiers of Palestine in a couple of weeks.
Even though tariffs will cover only a tiny bit of that deficit but it is still something, it definitely is not a distraction.

[Cossyblack]

Look USA played China to help put Russia in place.

This started with Nixon in thr early 70s

The project failed.

Now USA is going buddy buddy with Putin to fuck China.

Look at a map of the Artic Ocean

Russia
Norway
Greenland
Canada
USA/Alaska fully surround the Artic Ocean

Trump wants three things.
Melt icecaps
Lockup Greenland
Get Panama Canal back.

The United States are Master tricksters, they are good at turning people against each other. They deceived zelensky by turning him against the Russians. They convinced him into believing that NATO Membership is more important and valuable than the lives of his people,the Ukrainians. A war they knew would never be won but would bring unimaginable disaster to Ukraine. Zelensky turns his heart against his brothers(the Russians), or has he forgotten that Ukraine were once Russians . They have succeeded in destroying the country, turning Ukraine into a ground of testing  US weapons.

Now they're going for GreenLand, although the US claims annexing Greenland island will improve US defense in the region. This is not an enough reason to threaten an invasion in a peaceful sovereign country. I believe the US are going after Greenland for a personal selfish purpose . According to Research,Greenland is rich with vast abundance natural Resources. It is estimates that 17.5 billion barrels of offshore crude oil and 4.19 trillion cubic meters of natural gas is discovered, making Greenland the largest deposits of rare-earth elements outside China. Research Source

I am certain the US wants Greenland in other to control and have ful access to her abundance Resources. The US are very selfish people, they're only interested in benefiting from others at all costs. Denmark have warned the US to stay clear from Greenland as no amount of US intimidation will force them to give out GreenLand, although Donald Trump threatened military actions if diplomatic means failed. I believe Denmark are ready and would defend their sovereign territory and am sure that countries like China and Russia would surely give out their supports against the US. No sane country will Support the US on this and allow such violations to happen.

[Synchronice]

With a quick look at GDP charts you can see that Chinese economy has been rapidly growing. For reasons that nobody can understand the US regime sees that as a threat and at some point they declared war on China! It's more like a cold war and one of the battlefields is the economy.

What are the reasons that nobody can understand except the US? I think, everyone knows that the US wants to be the leader country and seeing another country coming close to your economy means that you'll potentially no longer be a leader and for an imperialistic country like the US, this is a threat of live or die level.

• It will become a lot worse if radicals win in US upcoming election and with people like Vance as VP we could even see a regional war in West Asia which would shoot up energy prices even more

Who is that guy, who brought him? He is really below-average Joe with his IQ. He called Chinese workers peasants, which is a huge disrespect towards the country. He licks Trump's butt all the time, he also wears eyeliner which is kinda funny because they are more conservative, anti-gay but he does a gay thing.

China produces, while the U.S. consumes on credit.
Trump doesn’t get it because "he never made it to the second day of econ class."

This has been a disaster in the making for decades though. Dating probably as far back as 1970's  if not farther back, when they introduced their biggest scam named Petrodollar and the dollar became the currency used for international trades.
This decision destroyed the production based US economy and turned it into a debt based economy. For decades they printed dollar (created debt) and bought (imported) real goods with it! That chicken has come home to roost now...

That's not completely true. At one point, it might seem like China produces everything and the USA is a consumer because everything we buy is almost always made in China but the US produce and it produces differently. The USA invents and produces Pharmaceuticals, which is even bigger business than anything else because the medications are designed in a way that people get addicted to them. The modern unhealthy lifestyle that's promoted by the US companies like MacDonalds and so on, are popular everywhere but that's not really the USA's fault, every country has lots of local unhealthy good. Anyways, people eat unhealthy and follow unhealthy lifestyle, so they need medications and these medications are like, once you take them for months or a year, you either stay on them forever or its becoming hard to quit like BP meds or heart meds like beta blockers. There are also other meds that cause psychological addiction, some of them even cause both. Pharmaceutical business not only targets brain but it targets our motivator hormone called Dopamine. For our body, dopamine and happy hormones are the first, then comes the rest. So, the USA rocks here!

The USA also invests in Tech and Hollywood. Tech produces tons of money. Tech is very necessary for a better life and we can't say no to it but tech also includes entertainment. Hollywood is also part of entertainment. The USA is number one into entertainment business and guess what? Entertainment = Dopamine. The USA knows what he does. It's not necessary to work hard to be the number one, you have to work smart! The USA works smart but recently, China works very hard and very  smart too, so, they'll succeed if the USA doesn't bomb them.

[bitgolden]

If this war keeps going, the benefit of it could be to nobody or some rich people, doesn't matter because we know that the loss will come for the poorer people. All these poor people, small business owners, minimum wage workers, or simply workers that do not make too much, all around the world, will feel the impact of this, mainly in USA and China. And that is what people should realize too, because for some reason we are seeing people still defending Trump, and I have no clue how.

You think these tariff increases will eventually help USA? Of course not, we are not going to see this change at all, we are going to end up with a lot worse results for USA, and he is not doing it to help you, never did and never will care what you think or how you are doing.

[Haunebu]

Looks like Trump folded like an idiot by literally admitting that his insane tariffs on China aren't sustainable at all and he will probably drop them to around 50-60% which is way lower than he intended.

Him, Vance and all the other dumb puppets that follow them are living in some parallel world where all of their ridiculous crap makes perfect sense to them. Smh!

But see this poll https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/18/donald-trump-voters-people-hate-politics-prices

Polls like this one represent a small portion of the population are are usually unreliable.

[philipma1957]

I wonder those who voted for this idiot, what would they have to say on this! Do we have American citizens in this forum? I am eagerly waiting for someone who is an American, would respond to my questions! Are you guys liking what your dear President is doing to your country and your economy? What would you be doing in this situation! Would you vote for this man again? The cause of all these nonsense? 

Nature has a way of achieving its plans at a given time. Some nations have been complaining about the great influence the US has over the global economy. For a long time, many nations have been clamoring for de-dollarization. The US has held nations bound because they are their biggest trading partners.

Donald Trump's policies are gradually changing the narrative. With many countries seeking alternative trading partners, the use of local currencies will improve while the dollars will be ditched. So don't worry; Trump's victory is a blessing in disguise to nations that are pushing for de-dollarization.

Well there is always consequences to all his action. We don't know yet what would be the result to all his policies but seeing Bitcoin is making its way up, maybe his goal is closer to achieved by doing all his crazy ideas. De-dolarization seem to be happening even before Biden, they know a few countries are sanctioned through Swift so they know possibilities since then.

If can't remove FED chair in order to execute his plans to bail markets, I think he will be moving to stablecoin and from there printing stablecoin to save the markets could be his favorable plan for all.

Personally he is much like a reverse president Nixon.

Nixon ended the gold standard started the petrodollar and opened China.

Trump will end the petrodollar default on the bonds.

Close China trade and switch to India as cheap labor.

Make a btc standard or a gold standard maybe a hybrid

Or not.

Always remember we the peasants get a small bit of info and do  not get the back story.

[DeathAngel]

I just wish he would keep all negotiations with other countries private. Every day he keeps talking crap about tariffs which creates market volatility. This benefits nobody except himself & other people close to him. It stinks of market manipulation when he knows markets move on a whim whenever he speaks. He really should keep tariffs negotiations in house.

[Olatundespo]

If this war keeps going, the benefit of it could be to nobody or some rich people, doesn't matter because we know that the loss will come for the poorer people. All these poor people, small business owners, minimum wage workers, or simply workers that do not make too much, all around the world, will feel the impact of this, mainly in USA and China. And that is what people should realize too, because for some reason we are seeing people still defending Trump, and I have no clue how.

You think these tariff increases will eventually help USA? Of course not, we are not going to see this change at all, we are going to end up with a lot worse results for USA, and he is not doing it to help you, never did and never will care what you think or how you are doing.

Trump has recently expressed a willingness to move forward with negotiations with China on tariffs after the trade war began. But this seems to be a one-sided campaign because China has said that it has not yet discussed tariffs with the US. They say this is a lie.

source: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/tariff-trade-war-china-beijing-trump-washington-us-economy-markets-rcna202535

You are right that no one can win this war. The number of poor people in the world will increase and inflation will increase. China will suffer a lot commercially and financially it is true and the US will also suffer financially in the same way. Since Trump is showing some flexibility, it is expected that the ice of the trade war with China may start to melt.

China has not given in to the possibility of a tariff war with the US President and has also imposed counter-tariffs. China imposition of 125% tariffs against the US 145% tariff is a bold decision. But at the same time China is looking forward to talks said Chinese spokesperson Guo Jiakun.
I think both countries are interested in a positive solution.

[Cossyblack]

If this war keeps going, the benefit of it could be to nobody or some rich people, doesn't matter because we know that the loss will come for the poorer people. All these poor people, small business owners, minimum wage workers, or simply workers that do not make too much, all around the world, will feel the impact of this, mainly in USA and China. And that is what people should realize too, because for some reason we are seeing people still defending Trump, and I have no clue how.

You think these tariff increases will eventually help USA? Of course not, we are not going to see this change at all, we are going to end up with a lot worse results for USA, and he is not doing it to help you, never did and never will care what you think or how you are doing.

Trump has recently expressed a willingness to move forward with negotiations with China on tariffs after the trade war began. But this seems to be a one-sided campaign because China has said that it has not yet discussed tariffs with the US. They say this is a lie.

China is now willingly to negotiate a trade deal with the US in other to end the trade war.Read Here
The trade war is meaningless because it's not helping the world economy at all,both countries economy are badly affected and they know it. The both countries cannot deny the facts that they need each other to sustain their economy. Donald Trump flexing the US muscles on China will only worsens the situation. I believe a peaceful negotiation is the best option for the both countries. Donald Trump should learn to treat China with respect as a powerful sovereign nation and should struck a peace deal with China.

[Taskford]

If this war keeps going, the benefit of it could be to nobody or some rich people, doesn't matter because we know that the loss will come for the poorer people. All these poor people, small business owners, minimum wage workers, or simply workers that do not make too much, all around the world, will feel the impact of this, mainly in USA and China. And that is what people should realize too, because for some reason we are seeing people still defending Trump, and I have no clue how.

You think these tariff increases will eventually help USA? Of course not, we are not going to see this change at all, we are going to end up with a lot worse results for USA, and he is not doing it to help you, never did and never will care what you think or how you are doing.

Trump has recently expressed a willingness to move forward with negotiations with China on tariffs after the trade war began. But this seems to be a one-sided campaign because China has said that it has not yet discussed tariffs with the US. They say this is a lie.

China is now willingly to negotiate a trade deal with the US in other to end the trade war.Read Here
The trade war is meaningless because it's not helping the world economy at all,both countries economy are badly affected and they know it. The both countries cannot deny the facts that they need each other to sustain their economy. Donald Trump flexing the US muscles on China will only worsens the situation. I believe a peaceful negotiation is the best option for the both countries. Donald Trump should learn to treat China with respect as a powerful sovereign nation and should struck a peace with China.

China didn't start this trade war so for sure they are open to negotiate things and end this its because this will just bother their trades. Trump made all of this troubles and he should end this. There's no need for him to flex that they are the most powerful country in the world and those tariff implementation is just bad actions they have done.

So to eliminate tensions and other possible effect of this conflict US should agree to have proper negotiation with China and end this trade war happening.

Its good sign that Trump and China is willing to settle this conflict so maybe we could see that this trade war will end soon.

[BALIK]

China didn't start this trade war so for sure they are open to negotiate things and end this its because this will just bother their trades. Trump made all of this troubles and he should end this. There's no need for him to flex that they are the most powerful country in the world and those tariff implementation is just bad actions they have done.

So to eliminate tensions and other possible effect of this conflict US should agree to have proper negotiation with China and end this trade war happening.

Its good sign that Trump and China is willing to settle this conflict so maybe we could see that this trade war will end soon.

China is willing to negotiate, but not because it is afraid and has to give in to the US. They will only negotiate if the US respects them, and negotiates in a spirit of fairness and mutual benefit. They don't need a trade deal like other countries trying to please Trump.

Trump is not bragging, he is aware of the threat from China to US dominance and wants to contain them. But he made the mistake of underestimating them and things did not turn out as he had dreamed. He thought China would surrender but no, they were willing to fight hand to hand and fight to the end.

"Only the one who hung the bell can take it down"
The point is not that the US should agree to negotiate, but that the US should and will be the one to take the initiative because they are the one who started this senseless tariff war, there is no reason for China to take the initiative first.

[tygeade]

Looks like Trump folded like an idiot by literally admitting that his insane tariffs on China aren't sustainable at all and he will probably drop them to around 50-60% which is way lower than he intended.

Him, Vance and all the other dumb puppets that follow them are living in some parallel world where all of their ridiculous crap makes perfect sense to them. Smh!

That isn't really a shocker, we all knew it would fail, and he knew it would fail too, and he is doing what he always assumes would be convincing for his people and some do buy it. What he does is, he tells a huge number first, unrealistic number, gets a lot of chaos going, and then lowers the number, and then tells the world "this was actually what I wanted, but I started the negotiation higher to convince them" but we all know that it isn't real, he just got scared and nothing more.

So lowering this was normal, and I am pretty sure it may even lower more and this is why we need to just consider how things could change for the better for everyone. If we can handle all of this then we can grow to be a lot better because the world needs more trading with each other.

[xSkylarx]

China didn't start this trade war so for sure they are open to negotiate things and end this its because this will just bother their trades. Trump made all of this troubles and he should end this. There's no need for him to flex that they are the most powerful country in the world and those tariff implementation is just bad actions they have done.

So to eliminate tensions and other possible effect of this conflict US should agree to have proper negotiation with China and end this trade war happening.

Its good sign that Trump and China is willing to settle this conflict so maybe we could see that this trade war will end soon.

China is willing to negotiate, but not because it is afraid and has to give in to the US. They will only negotiate if the US respects them, and negotiates in a spirit of fairness and mutual benefit. They don't need a trade deal like other countries trying to please Trump.

Trump is not bragging, he is aware of the threat from China to US dominance and wants to contain them. But he made the mistake of underestimating them and things did not turn out as he had dreamed. He thought China would surrender but no, they were willing to fight hand to hand and fight to the end.

"Only the one who hung the bell can take it down"
The point is not that the US should agree to negotiate, but that the US should and will be the one to take the initiative because they are the one who started this senseless tariff war, there is no reason for China to take the initiative first.

It’s only logical for the U.S. to resolve the conflict after they are the ones who initiated the tariff war. I believe this is one of the responsibilities attached to starting such a significant economy clash in the first place. Expecting China to take the first step without looking at the facts is unfair when it is simply reacting to the pounding policies set forth by the U.S.

Compromise is not just about agreeing to the same thing, it is about taking responsibility and being accountable. In this case, if the U.S. wishes to repair the damage suffered from the tariffs then it must come with constructiveness and show willingness. For me, trying to wait for China to make the first move politically seems extreme and harmful to most businesses and consumers on either side of the coin. My belief is the U.S. has this opportunity in front of them to showcase leadership by initiating the dialogue. It would be the most appropriate move for every involved party.