US-China economy war + radical Trump = higher inflation + interest rates + war

[pooya87]

Regarding the recent talk of negotiations, I have to remind you of the semi-secretive meeting between Trump and US giant retail companies where Trump was told by them that if he continues down this path, they'll run out of everything within weeks and there'll be chaos. Accompanied by the ongoing protests across USA and the dumping of US stock market where massive chunk of it vanished in a blinking of an eye, practically forced Trump to beg for negotiations...

In short Trump had the this delusion that US economy is still strong. He quickly realized that US economy is indeed one of the most fragile economies in the world thanks to decades of corruption and bad decisions...

With a quick look at GDP charts you can see that Chinese economy has been rapidly growing. For reasons that nobody can understand the US regime sees that as a threat and at some point they declared war on China! It's more like a cold war and one of the battlefields is the economy.

What are the reasons that nobody can understand except the US? I think, everyone knows that the US wants to be the leader country and seeing another country coming close to your economy means that you'll potentially no longer be a leader and for an imperialistic country like the US, this is a threat of live or die level.

Yeah. It's like a race track with a bunch of runners competing. There are two way a runner can get ahead of the others: (1) to run faster (2) to shoot other runners in the leg! And US regime tends to choose option number 2...

[WatChe]

You are right that no one can win this war. The number of poor people in the world will increase and inflation will increase. China will suffer a lot commercially and financially it is true and the US will also suffer financially in the same way. Since Trump is showing some flexibility, it is expected that the ice of the trade war with China may start to melt.

China has not given in to the possibility of a tariff war with the US President and has also imposed counter-tariffs. China imposition of 125% tariffs against the US 145% tariff is a bold decision. But at the same time China is looking forward to talks said Chinese spokesperson Guo Jiakun.
I think both countries are interested in a positive solution.

Trump is not showing flexibility rather he is looking for a face saving on mistake he committed by imposing high tariffs on China. If this decision is benefiting US in any way then their is no need for them to negotiate with China. Meanwhile China has categorically denied that their is any negotiations going on with USA. It's US wishful thinking that other countries are dependent on US for their survival. China has surprised the whole world by the counter measures taken to tackle US high tariffs, hopefully USA learned a  hard lesson and won't do that mistake again.


https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/china-waives-tariffs-some-us-goods-denies-trumps-claim-that-talks-are-underway-2025-04-25/

[Synchronice]

Regarding the recent talk of negotiations, I have to remind you of the semi-secretive meeting between Trump and US giant retail companies where Trump was told by them that if he continues down this path, they'll run out of everything within weeks and there'll be chaos. Accompanied by the ongoing protests across USA and the dumping of US stock market where massive chunk of it vanished in a blinking of an eye, practically forced Trump to beg for negotiations...

In short Trump had the this delusion that US economy is still strong. He quickly realized that US economy is indeed one of the most fragile economies in the world thanks to decades of corruption and bad decisions...

I always thought that in big and strong countries like the United States is, President or any other major political figure doesn't solely make any decision but now I don't really know what to think, what's reality. If Trump really decides everything on his own and doesn't get permission from big guys, that's very strange and doesn't make sense to me because businesses support the President in the USA and the President has to fulfill some of their requests.

If Trump backs down now, then this will also be a devastating accident for the USA because it means that the whole world saw its bluffing and if the USA isn't as powerful as it promotes, then who cares about its restrictions anymore?

With a quick look at GDP charts you can see that Chinese economy has been rapidly growing. For reasons that nobody can understand the US regime sees that as a threat and at some point they declared war on China! It's more like a cold war and one of the battlefields is the economy.

What are the reasons that nobody can understand except the US? I think, everyone knows that the US wants to be the leader country and seeing another country coming close to your economy means that you'll potentially no longer be a leader and for an imperialistic country like the US, this is a threat of live or die level.

Yeah. It's like a race track with a bunch of runners competing. There are two way a runner can get ahead of the others: (1) to run faster (2) to shoot other runners in the leg! And US regime tends to choose option number 2...

The NATO doesn't exist without a reason! The USA spends hundreds of billions of dollars every year on military for no reason.

[BitBakerr1]

Regarding the recent talk of negotiations, I have to remind you of the semi-secretive meeting between Trump and US giant retail companies where Trump was told by them that if he continues down this path, they'll run out of everything within weeks and there'll be chaos. Accompanied by the ongoing protests across USA and the dumping of US stock market where massive chunk of it vanished in a blinking of an eye, practically forced Trump to beg for negotiations...

In short Trump had the this delusion that US economy is still strong. He quickly realized that US economy is indeed one of the most fragile economies in the world thanks to decades of corruption and bad decisions...

The US has no option than to seek for that negotiation, Trump should make some consultations before making some decisions, trump should realize that US is not as strong as he thought.
Yes you are right pooya87 US economy is indeed one of the most fragile economies in the world and trump will realize this very soon or he may have realize it already.

One can't compare the US economy to that of China because China economy is way more stronger and bigger than that of the US the moment trump realize this the better for him.
Trump will back down and the world will see they are not what they calm to be and there restrictions is not something that should bother any nation.

[SuperBitMan]

Regarding the recent talk of negotiations, I have to remind you of the semi-secretive meeting between Trump and US giant retail companies where Trump was told by them that if he continues down this path, they'll run out of everything within weeks and there'll be chaos. Accompanied by the ongoing protests across USA and the dumping of US stock market where massive chunk of it vanished in a blinking of an eye, practically forced Trump to beg for negotiations...

In short Trump had the this delusion that US economy is still strong. He quickly realized that US economy is indeed one of the most fragile economies in the world thanks to decades of corruption and bad decisions...

I always thought that in big and strong countries like the United States is, President or any other major political figure doesn't solely make any decision but now I don't really know what to think, what's reality. If Trump really decides everything on his own and doesn't get permission from big guys, that's very strange and doesn't make sense to me because businesses support the President in the USA and the President has to fulfill some of their requests.

If Trump backs down now, then this will also be a devastating accident for the USA because it means that the whole world saw its bluffing and if the USA isn't as powerful as it promotes, then who cares about its restrictions anymore?

The president has the constitutional right to make some decisions by himself but there are some decisions he needs to consult experts in the area his trying to make the decision.
Any president that those not take advice from people who are well knowledgeable is getting him self into a big mess, Trump feels he knows everything and can make good decision but at this point he has made the wrong decision and will have to back down, US is not as strong as people from others sees it there economy is not strong as everyone sees it to be and I'm very sure that very soon people will see the clear picture if they don't redirect there steps immediately.

Right now I really don't think if people cares about there restrictions, the US government has promoted there self to be the best in everything but it's not so, people are now seeing the truth about US and it's economy.
Trump will back down.

[Churchillvv]

Regarding the recent talk of negotiations, I have to remind you of the semi-secretive meeting between Trump and US giant retail companies where Trump was told by them that if he continues down this path, they'll run out of everything within weeks and there'll be chaos. Accompanied by the ongoing protests across USA and the dumping of US stock market where massive chunk of it vanished in a blinking of an eye, practically forced Trump to beg for negotiations...

In short Trump had the this delusion that US economy is still strong. He quickly realized that US economy is indeed one of the most fragile economies in the world thanks to decades of corruption and bad decisions...

Trump calls countries which refused to agree with his decision to back him up with fighting china having known that the US has no strong economy to fight alone he calls every country that refuse to offer the help "disrespectful". however the intention of having most countries under the US is merely to be the economy leader in the world but it's beginning to hit him that his delusional.

With a quick look at GDP charts you can see that Chinese economy has been rapidly growing. For reasons that nobody can understand the US regime sees that as a threat and at some point they declared war on China! It's more like a cold war and one of the battlefields is the economy.

What are the reasons that nobody can understand except the US? I think, everyone knows that the US wants to be the leader country and seeing another country coming close to your economy means that you'll potentially no longer be a leader and for an imperialistic country like the US, this is a threat of live or die level.

Yeah. It's like a race track with a bunch of runners competing. There are two way a runner can get ahead of the others: (1) to run faster (2) to shoot other runners in the leg! And US regime tends to choose option number 2...

I realised that when he calls for a secretive meeting with other countries leaders (especially countries with high mineral / raw materials) for a meeting it all ends up to be a request to be the shoot at the opposition leg but however this action seems to be failing consecutively.

[Cossyblack]

Regarding the recent talk of negotiations, I have to remind you of the semi-secretive meeting between Trump and US giant retail companies where Trump was told by them that if he continues down this path, they'll run out of everything within weeks and there'll be chaos. Accompanied by the ongoing protests across USA and the dumping of US stock market where massive chunk of it vanished in a blinking of an eye, practically forced Trump to beg for negotiations...

In short Trump had the this delusion that US economy is still strong. He quickly realized that US economy is indeed one of the most fragile economies in the world thanks to decades of corruption and bad decisions...

The US have always considered China as a great adversary,a close competitor and a difficult rival to deal with. They have been looking for ways to wreck China economy and have been spreading propaganda to decimate the reputation China have built over the years. However China have succeeded in putting strategic measures in place that have help her to counter any US attacks on her economy and that's why US retaliation against China  haven't cause enough harm to her economy regardless of the current impose high tariff fees on her goods.Trump been delusional might be due to the wrong advise he has been receiving from his economy experts/teams. Those wrong advisers have clouded his thoughts from seeing the truth and accepting on time that this path would only lead to catastrophic. I vividly concur with you that the US economy is fragile. This trade war have really exposed a lot about the US economy,that the US cannot sustain her economy for so long without trading with other countries, specifically China. If the negotiation with China eventually bears good fruits,the US would learn never to go on a trade war with China ever again.

Regarding the recent talk of negotiations, I have to remind you of the semi-secretive meeting between Trump and US giant retail companies where Trump was told by them that if he continues down this path, they'll run out of everything within weeks and there'll be chaos. Accompanied by the ongoing protests across USA and the dumping of US stock market where massive chunk of it vanished in a blinking of an eye, practically forced Trump to beg for negotiations...

In short Trump had the this delusion that US economy is still strong. He quickly realized that US economy is indeed one of the most fragile economies in the world thanks to decades of corruption and bad decisions...

Trump calls countries which refused to agree with his decision to back him up with fighting china having known that the US has no strong economy to fight alone he calls every country that refuse to offer the help "disrespectful". however the intention of having most countries under the US is merely to be the economy leader in the world but it's beginning to hit him that his delusional.

Most countries have beginning to learn how dangerous it is to team up with the US,the results is always fatal. I believe no sane leader would wanna team up with the US to fight against China and the US knows it. Donald Trump should simply accept defeat and call off the trade war against China instead of trying to force other countries to start a war that wouldn't benefits them in anyway.

[Marvell1]

De-dolarization seem to be happening even before Biden, they know a few countries are sanctioned through Swift so they know possibilities since then.

If the US did the right thing by making countries and allies feel important, it would continue to dominate politically, and possibly, the de-dollarisation agenda may fail or be weakened. Not what Trump is doing, that friends, partners and allies are now like enemies. They wouldn't care about another alliance.

Even if Trump were not president or if he did not do all those things to harm allies and the world, that would not stop the BRICS de-dollarization agenda. Simply because the world has seen the true nature of the US and NATO over the past decades. The world is tired of a unipolar, dictatorial world. What other countries want is a multipolar, more equitable world. What Trump is doing is only helping to accelerate the de-dollarization process and attract more countries to join this revolution.

[avp2306]

De-dolarization seem to be happening even before Biden, they know a few countries are sanctioned through Swift so they know possibilities since then.

If the US did the right thing by making countries and allies feel important, it would continue to dominate politically, and possibly, the de-dollarisation agenda may fail or be weakened. Not what Trump is doing, that friends, partners and allies are now like enemies. They wouldn't care about another alliance.

Even if Trump were not president or if he did not do all those things to harm allies and the world, that would not stop the BRICS de-dollarization agenda. Simply because the world has seen the true nature of the US and NATO over the past decades. The world is tired of a unipolar, dictatorial world. What other countries want is a multipolar, more equitable world. What Trump is doing is only helping to accelerate the de-dollarization process and attract more countries to join this revolution.

And provably Trump see this and one of his Intention is to leave a statement that US is a strong country that they need to obey. But to bad he maybe didn't calculate well the risk especially that they didn't foresee the possible effect of this implementation especially if there's country like China will fight back on the actions they have do.

Maybe for now they could justified that they are winning temporarily, but the long term effect of it is damaging to US especially that China is doing its job to create global alliance especially that they are active condemning on bad actions done by US. If US will fail on this, then provably that they can fasten up the de-dollarization process and maybe this might be the reason that their country will fall down.

[God Of Thunder]

And provably Trump see this and one of his Intention is to leave a statement that US is a strong country that they need to obey. But to bad he maybe didn't calculate well the risk especially that they didn't foresee the possible effect of this implementation especially if there's country like China will fight back on the actions they have do.

No one doubts that the US is a strong country and it has influence all over the world. But the way Trump is trying to control the world is aggressive, and it will result in bad business relations with most of the countries in the world. The companies of both countries (the US and China) will be affected heavily,y and people from both countries will have to pay more to buy a product. It's not like China is winning the trade war, but I like how they actually did not let the US control them.

I am afraid not all countries have the same power and they won't dare to do the same thing like china. Most of them will remain silent and try to find alternatives and the USA should understand it in the next few months or a year.

[pooya87]

I always thought that in big and strong countries like the United States is, President or any other major political figure doesn't solely make any decision but now I don't really know what to think, what's reality. If Trump really decides everything on his own and doesn't get permission from big guys, that's very strange and doesn't make sense to me because businesses support the President in the USA and the President has to fulfill some of their requests.

It is worth knowing that just because we see a certain decision to be stupid, it doesn't mean they see it as stupid as well. Most of the times they actually think what they're doing is the right move!

And provably Trump see this and one of his Intention is to leave a statement that US is a strong country that they need to obey. But to bad he maybe didn't calculate well the risk especially that they didn't foresee the possible effect of this implementation especially if there's country like China will fight back on the actions they have do.

All these stupid moves helped the world believe that the "Emperor Is Naked" and was naked all this time!

[WatChe]

Even if Trump were not president or if he did not do all those things to harm allies and the world, that would not stop the BRICS de-dollarization agenda. Simply because the world has seen the true nature of the US and NATO over the past decades. The world is tired of a unipolar, dictatorial world. What other countries want is a multipolar, more equitable world. What Trump is doing is only helping to accelerate the de-dollarization process and attract more countries to join this revolution.

The US new tariff policy has given the world an important lesson that how important self-reliance is. Today it's USA tomorrow it will be some other super power, it's vital for every country to depend less on big powers discounted rates. There are countries which are doing good despite the fact they don't have good relations with USA but they are self sufficient in producing items to meet domestic needs. This new tariff policy has created more problems for USA as it badly bounced backed and now the world is looking for new frontier of trades where their is less reliance on USA.   

[Findingnemo]

And provably Trump see this and one of his Intention is to leave a statement that US is a strong country that they need to obey. But to bad he maybe didn't calculate well the risk especially that they didn't foresee the possible effect of this implementation especially if there's country like China will fight back on the actions they have do.

No one doubts that the US is a strong country and it has influence all over the world. But the way Trump is trying to control the world is aggressive, and it will result in bad business relations with most of the countries in the world. The companies of both countries (the US and China) will be affected heavily,y and people from both countries will have to pay more to buy a product. It's not like China is winning the trade war, but I like how they actually did not let the US control them.

I am afraid not all countries have the same power and they won't dare to do the same thing like china. Most of them will remain silent and try to find alternatives and the USA should understand it in the next few months or a year.

China got nothing to lose, even if US imposes a complete ban China will sell their products to someone else but probably for lesser profits. But the story of US is different, they can't really sustain on their own because the salary is not same as China so the government has to lower the wage policy which again will affect their citizen.

And this is not new; it also existed in the Biden period, but now it is exposed due to the unfair rates, which is probably happening due to the ego clash of an individual now affecting the whole country in one way or another.

[DYING_S0UL]

China got nothing to lose, even if US imposes a complete ban China will sell their products to someone else but probably for lesser profits. But the story of US is different, they can't really sustain on their own because the salary is not same as China so the government has to lower the wage policy which again will affect their citizen.

And this is not new; it also existed in the Biden period, but now it is exposed due to the unfair rates, which is probably happening due to the ego clash of an individual now affecting the whole country in one way or another.

One of the major advantage of china in the global economy is that they have the ability to produce massive quantaties of products at a relatively lower cost. And the key factor behindd this is cheap labouring cost. So every country takes advantage of that. With the availability of huge population and well developed infrastructure they are able to produce goods of anything. That is why we see made in china everywhere.

This is what the USA lacks, they certainly doesn't have cheap labour. They cannot meet the production rate as China.

[Iranus]

China got nothing to lose, even if US imposes a complete ban China will sell their products to someone else but probably for lesser profits. But the story of US is different, they can't really sustain on their own because the salary is not same as China so the government has to lower the wage policy which again will affect their citizen.

And this is not new; it also existed in the Biden period, but now it is exposed due to the unfair rates, which is probably happening due to the ego clash of an individual now affecting the whole country in one way or another.

In all fairness, the United States is the world's largest consumer market and also China's largest import partner. So if the US imposes a complete ban and stops doing business with China, China will also suffer significant losses and there will be no market large enough to fill that void. But that also means that China is the largest supplier to the US, so they would also suffer serious damage if they lost a large and affordable supplier like China. Therefore, the scenario of them stopping doing business with each other on a large scale is unlikely. It would cause serious damage to both economies and the world.

[Popkon6]

Most countries have beginning to learn how dangerous it is to team up with the US,the results is always fatal. I believe no sane leader would wanna team up with the US to fight against China and the US knows it. Donald Trump should simply accept defeat and call off the trade war against China instead of trying to force other countries to start a war that wouldn't benefits them in anyway.

The trade war that the United States has started has caused great economic damage, not only to the United States but also to China's economic deficit. Trade wars never consider the economic good, but all these issues always lead to the destruction of patriotism economically. However, this trade war has caused the United States more damage than China, because as a result of the trade war, Chinese workers have become more self-sufficient, only some impact has been seen in garment factories and workers have been given a few weeks of leave.
 But Chinese businesses have made trade agreements with other countries, and the agreements made with the United States are being fulfilled with other countries. However, in this case, China, although they are self-sufficient, has established trade agreements with other countries, but countries that are unique in the United States are afraid of making trade agreements.

[EarnOnVictor]

De-dolarization seem to be happening even before Biden, they know a few countries are sanctioned through Swift so they know possibilities since then.

If the US did the right thing by making countries and allies feel important, it would continue to dominate politically, and possibly, the de-dollarisation agenda may fail or be weakened. Not what Trump is doing, that friends, partners and allies are now like enemies. They wouldn't care about another alliance.

Even if Trump were not president or if he did not do all those things to harm allies and the world, that would not stop the BRICS de-dollarization agenda.

You are right! But it would not make the BRICS's future as bright as it is now.

Trump has opened the eyes of friends and foes to avoid the US as much as they can, or better still, not rely on its Greek offers that can later be used against them. Ordinarily, there should be power diffusion across the globe, it's bad for a country to be the mightiest one, it will one day use that dominance against the others.

I've never thought of this before until Trump also opened my eyes, so, expect the de-dollarization agenda to thrive more, but it will take decades before its effect will be felt.

[DanWalker]

The US new tariff policy has given the world an important lesson that how important self-reliance is. Today it's USA tomorrow it will be some other super power, it's vital for every country to depend less on big powers discounted rates. There are countries which are doing good despite the fact they don't have good relations with USA but they are self sufficient in producing items to meet domestic needs. This new tariff policy has created more problems for USA as it badly bounced backed and now the world is looking for new frontier of trades where their is less reliance on USA.   

Self-sufficient, not dependent on any country. The idea is great and I believe every country thinks of it, but is it easy to implement? I don't think so.

To be self-sufficient requires many factors, that country must have enough resources such as labor, raw materials, energy and especially technology. But look at all the countries in the world, how many countries can fully converge those factors except China and the US? It is not by chance that these two countries are the world's leading powers, everything has its reasons.

Not to mention, to be able to produce cheap goods like China is even more complicated, and so far only China has been able to do that.
Easier said than done, not as simple as we think.

[God Of Thunder]

China got nothing to lose, even if US imposes a complete ban China will sell their products to someone else but probably for lesser profits. But the story of US is different, they can't really sustain on their own because the salary is not same as China so the government has to lower the wage policy which again will affect their citizen.

And this is not new; it also existed in the Biden period, but now it is exposed due to the unfair rates, which is probably happening due to the ego clash of an individual now affecting the whole country in one way or another.

It's not like China won't be affected at all. The USA is a big market for China and the rest of the world. You can sell something at a better price to the US people. Yes, people in the USA will indeed face the consequences. China is the factory of the world; you can produce anything in China at a very cheap price, while the USA cannot produce the same product for the same price.

If the USA decide to produce everything on its own, then either they will have to minimise the cost by lowering the salary, or they will have to sell the product at a very high price. No matter what the USA says, it's not possible for them to produce everything on their own.

[WatChe]

Self-sufficient, not dependent on any country. The idea is great and I believe every country thinks of it, but is it easy to implement? I don't think so.

To be self-sufficient requires many factors, that country must have enough resources such as labor, raw materials, energy and especially technology. But look at all the countries in the world, how many countries can fully converge those factors except China and the US? It is not by chance that these two countries are the world's leading powers, everything has its reasons.

Not to mention, to be able to produce cheap goods like China is even more complicated, and so far only China has been able to do that.
Easier said than done, not as simple as we think.

China, USA along with few big powers have the capability to produce every single item that is used by humans and that’s certainly not every country in the world can do. There are some things which are vital for every country survival like pharma products, food items and so on.

Apart from that countries that rely heavily on textile, fruits and vegetable exports must also develop expertise to produce products related to engineering and technology. The benefit of exporting engineering and technology related product is that you earn huge revenue with little effort. It’s only difficult to establish manufacturing units along with training of manpower, once it’s done the rest of cycle continuous with minimum effort