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Question: UEFA Europa League 2024/25 Winner?  (Voting closed: February 01, 2025, 11:23:33 AM)
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March 26, 2025, 09:45:48 PM
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Manchester United is among the biggest team in the league but what is bringing all this argument was about rating them high. Despite Manchester United poor performance there have been in a good form let me say in Europa League, they had an excellent performance in the competition because they are the only team that haven't been defeated since the start of the competition. What I understand with Manchester United's performance was that they don't have the strength to be at the top in all competitions, I think they choose to perform very well in Europa since that is the only place they can fight for the top and which I also thought of that because in Premier League for a club to lift a trophy that means a team have to be in a good form right from the beginning of the season and up to the end because it is so challenging and that is the only Challenge competition I ever see meaning (home leagues) all the five Europa leagues are involved.
This season Manchester United want to take a lead in the Europa League; that’s why they’re trying to package more of their performance so that they can’t be left behind, as they see that in other leagues they’ve already been left behind. That’s why they want to hold this league that’s so tight in order to succeed at the end of the league.

The reason why their strength is not that power to be at the top of all competitions is that, because their lack of inconsistency at times, if they make a wonderful performance against some of the strongest teams, even their fans will be proud of them, but just once in a while they will start playing poorly again: That’s what is damages their performance mostly.

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March 26, 2025, 09:53:24 PM
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I don't quite understand why Man United are rated so highly. They are a big brand but they haven't been doing great this and the previous season. They are showing some signs of improvement, but it's still to soon to say they are back to the expected level (and I don't think they are).
What's more, they have a tough opponent to face in their next game, Olympic Lyon (currently 5th in League 1, with 4 wins in their last 5 league games). If I was to place a bet, Lazio is looking much better. They are matched with Bodo/Glimt in the quarterfinal, which is considered the weakest team in the bunch.
The bookies at it again, lol. They gave Lazio 5 odds to win the trophy, Frankfurt 8.20 to win the trophy, Lyon 12 odds to win the trophy. Very funny, as it stands Manchester United and Atlantic club are the two favourites teams by the bookies to win the Europa League. Let's wait and see how it goes because the game of Lyon Vs Manchester United will be an epic game in the competition, we can only anticipate for now.

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March 27, 2025, 02:34:33 AM
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Of course, in order to talk about these possibilities, Manchester United will first have to beat the French representative Lyon. If Lyon is not eliminated, what you said will tell us about the Lyon-Atletic Bilbao match. We know that Manchester United is a very high-quality team, but in my opinion, the French representative is one of the best teams in the Europa League. I think they can be neck and neck with Manchester United, especially in the match in France, they are good enough to win.
This will be a difficult match to predict because both want to win to make it easier to qualify for the next round. Lyon has a much greater chance because the first leg is played at home, so mentally and motivationally it is much greater. But if they do not play better, it is possible that Manchester United will win the first leg.

A draw might be beneficial for Manchester United and I am sure Amorim will prepare anticipatory steps so that Lyon does not win the match because then they can achieve better results in the second leg.

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March 27, 2025, 03:12:43 AM
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This season Manchester United want to take a lead in the Europa League; that’s why they’re trying to package more of their performance so that they can’t be left behind, as they see that in other leagues they’ve already been left behind. That’s why they want to hold this league that’s so tight in order to succeed at the end of the league.

The reason why their strength is not that power to be at the top of all competitions is that, because their lack of inconsistency at times, if they make a wonderful performance against some of the strongest teams, even their fans will be proud of them, but just once in a while they will start playing poorly again: That’s what is damages their performance mostly.
Manchester United really want to win UEFA Europa League because it's their best and only way of going to UEFA Champions League next season. They have a terrible season in Premier League and they nearly even don't have chance to finish this season with a high rank enough for joining Conference League next season. Their risk is if they won't win UEFA Europa League, they will disappear in UEFA Leagues next season even a lowest league, Conference League.

To avoid that nightmare ending, they have to win UEFA Europa League title, but this is not easy and with their inconsistency during this season so far, their chance of winning the trophy is not too high.

Ferguson's legacy and the money still thrown at players is what keeps them in the conversation as one of the big clubs, but that money will start to dry up if not managed well.  It definitely will and likely already is.
So many well-run clubs that can beat them to up-and-coming talents while they try to remove the contracts of underperforming players.
However, this season's Europa League is their best chance to return to being a big club in football terms. Let's see...
Alex Ferguson contributed to a most successful era in Manchester United history but his legacy is vague and I think he tried to use his last two seasons for winning last titles before his retirement. By signing an expensive contract with Van Persie, he shown that he did not care too much about legacy and build up a next player generation for Manchester United. However, failures of Manchester United many years after his retirement are not only come from Alex Ferguson, and I don't say he is a single person responsible for this.

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March 27, 2025, 05:11:09 AM
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I don't quite understand why Man United are rated so highly. They are a big brand but they haven't been doing great this and the previous season. They are showing some signs of improvement, but it's still to soon to say they are back to the expected level (and I don't think they are).
What's more, they have a tough opponent to face in their next game, Olympic Lyon (currently 5th in League 1, with 4 wins in their last 5 league games). If I was to place a bet, Lazio is looking much better. They are matched with Bodo/Glimt in the quarterfinal, which is considered the weakest team in the bunch.

They're rated highly because they're the favorite to win this competition. In the last five to seven games? C'mon man, they've improved with all honesty especially when it comes to goal. Having players like Mason Mount, Kobbie, Heaven and Luke Shaw back also means a whole lot to the squad. I'd rather Frankfurt and Tottenham Hotspur ahead of clubs like Lyon and Lazio fr fr! As for Manchester United players,  this is the only way to the Champions League Competition next season so they ain't slacking around.

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They're rated highly because they're the favorite to win this competition. In the last five to seven games? C'mon man, they've improved with all honesty especially when it comes to goal. Having players like Mason Mount, Kobbie, Heaven and Luke Shaw back also means a whole lot to the squad. I'd rather Frankfurt and Tottenham Hotspur ahead of clubs like Lyon and Lazio fr fr! As for Manchester United players,  this is the only way to the Champions League Competition next season so they ain't slacking around.
It's very clearly that they lacked of a world class capable coach to help them winning matches, battles and trophies, but they also did not use their head coaches properly. Their problems are more than a head coach position and how they use those past head coaches. They did had many years, transfer seasons with a lot of wasteful big transfer budgets for failures.

With Alex Ferguson, he managed to use average players very well to fit in his squad so that he maximized their individual performances and as a team, they won many titles. But Alex Ferguson already built up a winning squad with strong backbones from goalkeeper, defense, midfield to front line areas so that he could attach average players to the squad and still managed good performances and results.

With Manchester United now, many problems exist and their squad have many weak positions and it's hard for one or two players to show their best performances in these unperfect conditions.


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Due to the fact that United is the biggest team currently in Europa, is the reason why I feel that they should be the favorite to win the league this season. However, Bilbao's performance is also impressive and might want to stop United from achieving the trophy. United should work on themselves properly and get the right momentum to crush any team that crosses their way including Bilbao.
Amorim has at least prepared his troops very well to face every team that can block their steps to become champions in the Europa League this season. Because after the quarter-finals, Manchester United will be in a fairly crucial and quite fierce round in competing so that a mistake in a small size could be fatal for him in this competition. Bilbao is indeed quite good in the Europa League this season, but that does not mean that other teams like Manchester United cannot beat them in the semi-finals because as long as the Manchester United players have high confidence with a mentality that does not give up easily in fighting, Bilbao will also be quite overwhelmed in putting pressure on Manchester United.
Of course, in order to talk about these possibilities, Manchester United will first have to beat the French representative Lyon. If Lyon is not eliminated, what you said will tell us about the Lyon-Atletic Bilbao match. We know that Manchester United is a very high-quality team, but in my opinion, the French representative is one of the best teams in the Europa League. I think they can be neck and neck with Manchester United, especially in the match in France, they are good enough to win.
indeed Manchester United are really facing an tough challenge against Lyon in the Europa league quarter finals I think thier Frist leg should be scheduled for April 10th at Lyon's hometown while their second leg will taking place for April 17th, from my prediction I guess Lyon have been impressive lately in the Europa league, and their home advantage could make them an edge, just as you have mentioned they have an very good chance of winning especially in France, you check Manchester United are having an full squad and however this might been an motivation to advance to the semi finals. One thing I no for sure if Lyon likely manage to eliminate Manchester United they might likely face this Athletic Bilbao in the semi finals which Bilbao has secured their spot in the quarter finals after defeating Roma like 4-3 on aggregate.

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March 27, 2025, 07:46:55 AM
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Due to the fact that United is the biggest team currently in Europa, is the reason why I feel that they should be the favorite to win the league this season. However, Bilbao's performance is also impressive and might want to stop United from achieving the trophy. United should work on themselves properly and get the right momentum to crush any team that crosses their way including Bilbao.
Amorim has at least prepared his troops very well to face every team that can block their steps to become champions in the Europa League this season. Because after the quarter-finals, Manchester United will be in a fairly crucial and quite fierce round in competing so that a mistake in a small size could be fatal for him in this competition. Bilbao is indeed quite good in the Europa League this season, but that does not mean that other teams like Manchester United cannot beat them in the semi-finals because as long as the Manchester United players have high confidence with a mentality that does not give up easily in fighting, Bilbao will also be quite overwhelmed in putting pressure on Manchester United.
Of course, in order to talk about these possibilities, Manchester United will first have to beat the French representative Lyon. If Lyon is not eliminated, what you said will tell us about the Lyon-Atletic Bilbao match. We know that Manchester United is a very high-quality team, but in my opinion, the French representative is one of the best teams in the Europa League. I think they can be neck and neck with Manchester United, especially in the match in France, they are good enough to win.
indeed Manchester United are really facing an tough challenge against Lyon in the Europa league quarter finals I think thier Frist leg should be scheduled for April 10th at Lyon's hometown while their second leg will taking place for April 17th, from my prediction I guess Lyon have been impressive lately in the Europa league, and their home advantage could make them an edge, just as you have mentioned they have an very good chance of winning especially in France, you check Manchester United are having an full squad and however this might been an motivation to advance to the semi finals. One thing I no for sure if Lyon likely manage to eliminate Manchester United they might likely face this Athletic Bilbao in the semi finals which Bilbao has secured their spot in the quarter finals after defeating Roma like 4-3 on aggregate.

of course it is not easy at this time to predict who will win for the teams that qualify for the quarter-finals when competing because they are all strong teams and of course it could be that in the end the one who will win the trophy is Bodo/Glimt.  Smiley

Man United is indeed a club that has a strength that cannot be underestimated and of course they could win and lose in the next match against Lyon. Yes, it is true considering that Lyon is the host in the 1st leg, of course this is actually a golden opportunity for Lyon to win the match and it would be better if they scored a lot of goals. because it could be that after winning the match in the 1st leg Lyon will be more confident when they visit Man United's headquarters.

but of course Amorim has also prepared everything to make Man United win the match against Lyon. but honestly I have a feeling that Man United will win and will advance to the semifinals. but yes, if for example Lyon advances to the semifinals, of course it could happen, but if it happens it is very unique and of course it will be a very interesting match.

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The Europa League is the only chance for them left this season so currently the focus of the Manchester United players is that they must somehow be able to win the trophy so it is very natural if they play very well in this League compared to playing in other Leagues, In the Premier League it can be said that they have performed very badly even so far they have only been able to be in 13th place in the EPL standings which indicates that they are inconsistent but to compete in the Europa League I will not doubt them because in the Europa League their challengers are not as strong as the teams competing in the EPL League.
The reason I can say Manchester United can win the Europa League this season is from the fact that Erik Ten Hag is no longer the manager. That man had a terrible Europa competition stat with Manchester United.

Let's see how well they can perform and if they can make it to the final, whereby I would expect them to more likely win. The players will likely be motivated or serious to give their all, which often is their issue, because they are sometimes looking as a team with no motivation or better still winning mentality.

the only way to get back among the big ones is to win the Europa League, it's something they have to do to get back into the Champions League and compete with other important clubs like them, surely the fact that Erik Ten Hag is no longer the coach of the team has helped a lot

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Do not stress Manchester united will win Lyon how and away, i do not see Lyon as a threat to ,Manchester united, in spite their current poor state. Lyon does not stand a chance to win Manchester united. Its a workover for Amorim, I just wish before the game Manchester united players return from injury, because is injury that has really affected Amorim's this season. Lyon are really inform but they have no chance to beat wounder Manchester united that all their hope and dream to get it right are on this trophy.
You don't need to underestimate Lyon because they might pull some stunts on that day. Don't forget that they are in form. On the other hand, United shouldn't find it difficult to win Lyon and qualify to the semifinals because they are performing pretty good in this league. United is unbeaten and I don't think that they will mess up the only chance to put things right in order to be in UCL next season.
Don't underestimate Lyon, in fact you shouldnt underestimate any team that gets to this stage of the cup, they could surprise. However, Manchester United should have an easy time winning and qualifying for the semi finals
So we will see what happen
It will not be easy for Manchester United or Lyon even though Manchester United is slightly favored but in the quarter-finals of the Europa League anything is possible as it has been since previous seasons so I think Manchester United cannot be favored too much especially since Manchester United has not shown consistent performance.
Not only the Manchester United vs Lyon match but in all the quarter-final matches I don't think any team is favored too much, I think all teams in the Europa League now have the same chance to qualify for the semifinals.
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Not only the Manchester United vs Lyon match but in all the quarter-final matches I don't think any team is favored too much, I think all teams in the Europa League now have the same chance to qualify for the semifinals.

I think the same as you, for me they have the same chances of doing things well, MU is flying in the Europa League, I don't think it's bad but they should play with the same intensity in the PL, however things are different now because Lyon is in need and they will go all out, it's their chance, they also dream of winning this competition, I will like to watch this game since they are the most exciting, for me these games are the ones that contain the most spicy football because both will be looking to win.

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March 27, 2025, 07:21:48 PM
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Do not stress Manchester united will win Lyon how and away, i do not see Lyon as a threat to ,Manchester united, in spite their current poor state. Lyon does not stand a chance to win Manchester united. Its a workover for Amorim, I just wish before the game Manchester united players return from injury, because is injury that has really affected Amorim's this season. Lyon are really inform but they have no chance to beat wounder Manchester united that all their hope and dream to get it right are on this trophy.
You don't need to underestimate Lyon because they might pull some stunts on that day. Don't forget that they are in form. On the other hand, United shouldn't find it difficult to win Lyon and qualify to the semifinals because they are performing pretty good in this league. United is unbeaten and I don't think that they will mess up the only chance to put things right in order to be in UCL next season.
Don't underestimate Lyon, in fact you shouldnt underestimate any team that gets to this stage of the cup, they could surprise. However, Manchester United should have an easy time winning and qualifying for the semi finals
So we will see what happen
It will not be easy for Manchester United or Lyon even though Manchester United is slightly favored but in the quarter-finals of the Europa League anything is possible as it has been since previous seasons so I think Manchester United cannot be favored too much especially since Manchester United has not shown consistent performance.
Not only the Manchester United vs Lyon match but in all the quarter-final matches I don't think any team is favored too much, I think all teams in the Europa League now have the same chance to qualify for the semifinals.
It means that you are not watching United matches in UEL. Even when Ten Hag was the coach, United didn't lose any match. They are undefeated currently, in the competition. United have been consistent so far and I think that they have the chance to win Lyon in the quarter finals, if they put in their best performance in the game.

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March 27, 2025, 07:55:57 PM
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Do not stress Manchester united will win Lyon how and away, i do not see Lyon as a threat to ,Manchester united, in spite their current poor state. Lyon does not stand a chance to win Manchester united. Its a workover for Amorim, I just wish before the game Manchester united players return from injury, because is injury that has really affected Amorim's this season. Lyon are really inform but they have no chance to beat wounder Manchester united that all their hope and dream to get it right are on this trophy.
You don't need to underestimate Lyon because they might pull some stunts on that day. Don't forget that they are in form. On the other hand, United shouldn't find it difficult to win Lyon and qualify to the semifinals because they are performing pretty good in this league. United is unbeaten and I don't think that they will mess up the only chance to put things right in order to be in UCL next season.
Don't underestimate Lyon, in fact you shouldnt underestimate any team that gets to this stage of the cup, they could surprise. However, Manchester United should have an easy time winning and qualifying for the semi finals
So we will see what happen
It will not be easy for Manchester United or Lyon even though Manchester United is slightly favored but in the quarter-finals of the Europa League anything is possible as it has been since previous seasons so I think Manchester United cannot be favored too much especially since Manchester United has not shown consistent performance.
Not only the Manchester United vs Lyon match but in all the quarter-final matches I don't think any team is favored too much, I think all teams in the Europa League now have the same chance to qualify for the semifinals.
It means that you are not watching United matches in UEL. Even when Ten Hag was the coach, United didn't lose any match. They are undefeated currently, in the competition. United have been consistent so far and I think that they have the chance to win Lyon in the quarter finals, if they put in their best performance in the game.
For Manchester united to beat Lyon in this quarter finals is going to be a very big deal for them, because Manchester united is not in condition they are find it difficult in times of securing victory. Although sometimes they normally surprises their fans, but one thing I believe is that if Manchester united finally wins Lyon in this game, I think they most likely qualify to the final.

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For Manchester united to beat Lyon in this quarter finals is going to be a very big deal for them, because Manchester united is not in condition they are find it difficult in times of securing victory. Although sometimes they normally surprises their fans, but one thing I believe is that if Manchester united finally wins Lyon in this game, I think they most likely qualify to the final.

I agree with you. If Manchester United were in good form, we could definitely consider Manchester United as the favorite against Lyon. But the performance of Manchester United players is inconsistent. Even then, Manchester United is giving full effort in the Europa League. For this reason, many are considering Manchester United as the favorite. However, it is impossible to make a sure prediction about Manchester United's performance.

I cannot call Lyon a weak team. We saw stable performance from Lyon players in the first round matches as well. Lyon is playing quite well in Ligue 1 matches as well. Lyon has the ability to defeat Manchester United. That is why I cannot consider United as the favorite.

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March 27, 2025, 10:42:37 PM
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So you believe that Rangers a weak team is part of your favorite club to be in the finals, excluding United who the bookmakers has made to be the favorite. I wouldn't say anything until United prove their weaknesses, when they fail to qualify to the semifinals. However, United is still my favorite and I am watching what will happen next. Finger cross.
Rangers is not a really strong team, although they have been able to get to this stage of the Europa League this season,  their game were filled with some not very brilliant performances,  they are hi experienced in the europa such that they have made it to the finals at some point but the problem still revolves around the fact that this season isn't like that season where they made it to the finals as they have even tougher contenders,  United is very likely to be putting their all into this game because it's more likely their only chance of winning a trophy this season as so if they get a reason to meet, they may not give Rangers that chance to even get a draw so Manchester United as a favourite is quite a food option but keeping an open mind regardless would be a much better option to explore.
Rangers football team is a good team because that team performance is very well and that team has 62 points on the table and that team will play next match against Dundee football team and in the Dens Park. The stats is totally in the favour of Rangers team because that team won most of the matches and rest of the matches were ended with draw result. There is no comparison of Man united football team and Rangers football team because Man United team is playing Premier league matches and that team is not favorite for the next match but we can see interesting match.Nottingham Forest football team is really to fight against Man United football team and that team is good team and has good rank on the table.

 
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For Manchester united to beat Lyon in this quarter finals is going to be a very big deal for them, because Manchester united is not in condition they are find it difficult in times of securing victory. Although sometimes they normally surprises their fans, but one thing I believe is that if Manchester united finally wins Lyon in this game, I think they most likely qualify to the final.
What's the diffusing units of Manchester United winnings? There's probably more that have been sidelined and we know this is not happening. We've come to watch more outstanding display of these clubs and we know the ones that's more prominent to reach the very tough phase. Manchester United will eliminate Lyon from the quarter finals, this game is not up for debate for anyone, there have been some setbacks for the Red Devils but it doesn't stop them from doing what they does best, winning matches.



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What's the diffusing units of Manchester United winnings? There's probably more that have been sidelined and we know this is not happening. We've come to watch more outstanding display of these clubs and we know the ones that's more prominent to reach the very tough phase. Manchester United will eliminate Lyon from the quarter finals, this game is not up for debate for anyone, there have been some setbacks for the Red Devils but it doesn't stop them from doing what they does best, winning matches.
We don't know what strategy Amorim will use. But for a chance where only this league can increase their reputation, I think Amorim and the squad will play hard to determine the situation. Lyon might be better on Ligue 1 when we compare with MU, which is bad on the Premier League, but can repeat their win even play away at Lyon. Now, we just hope Bruno plays consistently like before. I see Hojlund create a score on an international match, maybe this is a good step for him to improve his feeling in the penalty box. He not only barren, but don't have contribution much for the squad which will be sold immediately on next session.
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For Manchester united to beat Lyon in this quarter finals is going to be a very big deal for them, because Manchester united is not in condition they are find it difficult in times of securing victory. Although sometimes they normally surprises their fans, but one thing I believe is that if Manchester united finally wins Lyon in this game, I think they most likely qualify to the final.
It will not be easy for Manchester United to beat Lyon and this will be an away game for Manchester United so Amorim will definitely try to play it safe. Getting a draw will be an advantage for Manchester United because later in the second leg they can try to take advantage of the home game to get a win. Lyon themselves must be aware of the surprise that will occur because getting a draw will not be beneficial for Lyon.

In the previous few matches Manchester United started to improve and they started to find a much more consistent rhythm of play, although overall it has not fully improved. Manchester United could be a serious threat to Lyon if they do not dampen the attack pattern that Amorim's team is trying to launch.

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March 28, 2025, 02:11:32 AM
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The Europa League is the only chance for them left this season so currently the focus of the Manchester United players is that they must somehow be able to win the trophy so it is very natural if they play very well in this League compared to playing in other Leagues, In the Premier League it can be said that they have performed very badly even so far they have only been able to be in 13th place in the EPL standings which indicates that they are inconsistent but to compete in the Europa League I will not doubt them because in the Europa League their challengers are not as strong as the teams competing in the EPL League.
The reason I can say Manchester United can win the Europa League this season is from the fact that Erik Ten Hag is no longer the manager. That man had a terrible Europa competition stat with Manchester United.

Let's see how well they can perform and if they can make it to the final, whereby I would expect them to more likely win. The players will likely be motivated or serious to give their all, which often is their issue, because they are sometimes looking as a team with no motivation or better still winning mentality.
With the change in the manager of the team, we can see a change in the performance of the team but we can expect Manchester United to win the Europa League title this season. We have seen Manchester United proceed as planned. Manchester United will take on Lyon in the quarter finals where Manchester United are considered favourites. As Manchester United can compete well with the big teams in the Premier League, I think it will not be difficult for Manchester United to beat this France League team.

In the two legs only Manchester United need to focus on a good performance especially I would ask them to focus more on their defence. Manchester United will have to play in such a way that they do not fall behind in goals. Manchester United will succeed in attacking against them when the opposition cannot score.
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It will not be easy for Manchester United to beat Lyon and this will be an away game for Manchester United so Amorim will definitely try to play it safe. Getting a draw will be an advantage for Manchester United because later in the second leg they can try to take advantage of the home game to get a win. Lyon themselves must be aware of the surprise that will occur because getting a draw will not be beneficial for Lyon.

In the previous few matches Manchester United started to improve and they started to find a much more consistent rhythm of play, although overall it has not fully improved. Manchester United could be a serious threat to Lyon if they do not dampen the attack pattern that Amorim's team is trying to launch.
I agree with you. It will not be easy for Manchester United to beat Lyon. In their last 5 matches they have only lost to PSG in Ligue 1. The first leg will be played in France. I think Lyon will not let United get a win. Of course Lyon will try hard to get a win as the host in the first leg because it will give them an advantage in the second leg. On the other hand United have also performed well in the last few matches even though they often get a draw. I favor Lyon or a draw for that match. It is difficult for United to get a win with their performance. Maybe they will get a win in the second leg when they play at Old Trafford.

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