School or Skills?

[bakasabo]

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Theory without practice is nothing. If a person has learned something in school, become educated, but cant use that knowledge, I would say that his knowledge worth nothing and he has wasted his time. Relying blindly on education only is wrong, because school or university give only basic knowledge. Everything else person learn only when he use his knowledge.

That can sound wrong, but I would go with skill and master it, and dedicate less time to education, because today it is easy to find educated person, than a skilled master.

You are not wrong at all.
The labor market demands for skilled workers, while education act as the icing on the cake. In as much as the society tends to make more emphasis on education and having a good degree, those with skills(especially experience) are what companies look for. There is this saying that changed my mindset about the reality of life and going to school to get a degree.
It goes like this: "school teaches you a lesson and gives you a test, while Life gives you a test, and when you fail that test, it teaches you a lesson. I believe this is the situation so many people have found themselves when they neglect skill even while it is related to their degree.

Like I will always say, nothing can take the place of the other. Both are important, but it is left for everyone to make their choices.

Both are important, that is not a question, but skill is more important. Education, that is 12 years in school, 4+3 years in university. Without hesitation I can say that at least 3 years in school I have spend not very useful. If at that age I had a place which profession I would do, I would skip some classes and years. To bad school education can not be so individual. From 7 years of university, 1.5 were totally useless. It was time to write diploma work. I was doing it parallel working, I think I have attended university less than 10 times during those 1.5 years, but had to pay for study... Not everyone as me were working parallel writing diploma work, so those 1.5 years they slacked at home. They would better be getting experience during that period.

[ancafe]

Maybe we are in the same country because what you said is also what I witnessed myself in many schools in my place now so I also wonder why there is no special curriculum that refers to honing the skills of each student at school. In addition, I also did not find a curriculum on how to make money and how to see opportunities in various markets in schools even though economics is also taught in general in schools, but why are there no special lessons that go directly to making money more independently for all children at school.

In fact, when all students are able to understand how to make money in life, it will also help themselves when they want to continue their education to a higher level without having to burden their own parents through excessive costs. Although this may not be so true for students in developed countries because they do not have to think about the cost of pursuing higher education because the cost is free. But for schools in less developed countries, there must always be money up front when wanting to do something different, including when each student wants to study at a higher level of education.

We can talk according to the facts that occur in our country and indeed the education system does not show anything better than it ever was before. Actually there are vocational schools that can hone students' individual skills, but these schools are not very popular among our society. Not to mention the school infrastructure which in reality does not meet the required standards so that only a few poor people attend these vocational schools. But when compared to other public schools, they are much more reliable because students who graduate from these championship schools have much better skills and they can open their own businesses using the existing capital.

The government's focus is not on skill development but on school teachings because the government program requires children to attend nine years of school and everyone in our country must follow it. After that, it depends on the parents how to provide a decent education and they must also give responsibility to their children so that they are better prepared to face life's challenges. Because if you only rely on the government but parents do not prepare their children to be better, then the child will not be directed to be better prepared to face life's challenges.

[Akbarkoe]

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Both are important, that is not a question, but skill is more important. Education, that is 12 years in school, 4+3 years in university. Without hesitation I can say that at least 3 years in school I have spend not very useful. If at that age I had a place which profession I would do, I would skip some classes and years. To bad school education can not be so individual. From 7 years of university, 1.5 were totally useless. It was time to write diploma work. I was doing it parallel working, I think I have attended university less than 10 times during those 1.5 years, but had to pay for study... Not everyone as me were working parallel writing diploma work, so those 1.5 years they slacked at home. They would better be getting experience during that period.

Education and skills are two very important things, because we will never be able to work in a well-known company if we do not have a diploma, even if we have sufficient skills needed by the company. Likewise with a diploma, if we do not have sufficient skills, then the diploma will be useless and meaningless.

A rule has forced us to go to school for more than 12 years, but sometimes the knowledge and theories we get in school do not match what happens and is needed in the world of work. Therefore, it is quite important for us to be able to seek other knowledge outside of school, and deepen the skills we have, because this is what is needed when entering the world of work, while a diploma is just a requirement.

[jvanname]

Education and skills are two very important things, because we will never be able to work in a well-known company if we do not have a diploma, even if we have sufficient skills needed by the company. Likewise with a diploma, if we do not have sufficient skills, then the diploma will be useless and meaningless.

A rule has forced us to go to school for more than 12 years, but sometimes the knowledge and theories we get in school do not match what happens and is needed in the world of work. Therefore, it is quite important for us to be able to seek other knowledge outside of school, and deepen the skills we have, because this is what is needed when entering the world of work, while a diploma is just a requirement.

Those rules are stupid because schools and universities promote violence. The solution to this is to slack off at work because your employer fucking hates you. I bet most of you work jobs that are complete and total bullshit. And by bullshit, I mean that you may work hard, but your contributions do not make the world a better place and your job could be eliminated and people won't miss anything.

I am still waiting for universities to apologize. But people don't care about this because they are bloodthirsty.

Regards,

-Joseph Van Name Ph.D.

[rachael9385]

Both are important, that is not a question, but skill is more important. Education, that is 12 years in school, 4+3 years in university. Without hesitation I can say that at least 3 years in school I have spend not very useful. If at that age I had a place which profession I would do, I would skip some classes and years. To bad school education can not be so individual. From 7 years of university, 1.5 were totally useless. It was time to write diploma work. I was doing it parallel working, I think I have attended university less than 10 times during those 1.5 years, but had to pay for study... Not everyone as me were working parallel writing diploma work, so those 1.5 years they slacked at home. They would better be getting experience during that period.

You are right, education and skills is important. But in some part of the world, education doesn't favor everyone cause I know many people that are done with their educations but still jobless, although no body knows if in future they will see some job that pays them a cents. But my point is education doesn't favor everyone, mostly in a country that doesn't give a fvk about their citizens.
Most importantly is to get a skill and also be educated so you don't be an illustrate. If educational certificates can't provide you a job you make use of your skills.

[bakasabo]

Both are important, that is not a question, but skill is more important. Education, that is 12 years in school, 4+3 years in university. Without hesitation I can say that at least 3 years in school I have spend not very useful. If at that age I had a place which profession I would do, I would skip some classes and years. To bad school education can not be so individual. From 7 years of university, 1.5 were totally useless. It was time to write diploma work. I was doing it parallel working, I think I have attended university less than 10 times during those 1.5 years, but had to pay for study... Not everyone as me were working parallel writing diploma work, so those 1.5 years they slacked at home. They would better be getting experience during that period.

You are right, education and skills is important. But in some part of the world, education doesn't favor everyone cause I know many people that are done with their educations but still jobless, although no body knows if in future they will see some job that pays them a cents. But my point is education doesn't favor everyone, mostly in a country that doesn't give a fvk about their citizens.
Most importantly is to get a skill and also be educated so you don't be an illustrate. If educational certificates can't provide you a job you make use of your skills.

Here is an example. At school we get basic knowledge, but starting from 8 or 9 grade, we have such lessons that give so detailed knowledge, that not many would use in future. I have studied finances in university 1/3 of students from my group work in financial sector. A friend of my finished school with good grades, finished university greatly, got MBA diploma. Now works at the airport - he unloads luggage from planes, his working timetable if flexible and he rents a studio for music rehearsals. Besides basic math, school and university knowledge helped him a little. He could be working in the office and have same income monthly, but he would spend more time and effort to get that.

[MissNonFall9]

We have no chance to think that universities are worthless or that universities know nothing. Because it is education that has made inhumans human and made this vile world beautiful, which comes from universities schools or colleges, again many people may blame education or schools, colleges and universities. one of the main reasons for this is that they could not utilize their knowledge or skills. So this can be an excuse.

This is complete and total bullshit. Until universities acknowledge that there is a problem, the only proper response is to call the idiots who have college degrees names like 'stupid', 'worthless', and 'evil' because when universities unapologetically promote violence, the graduates from these institutions are evil and worthless.

If you are saying that people are only human because they go to a violence promoting university, then you are just a fucked up piece of shit. Fuck you. I know how fucked up colleges and universities really are. I was a professor.

Regards,

-Joseph Van Name Ph.D.

Well, do all the professors in universities or colleges in the world have the same experience as you?
If it is the same, then I have nothing more to say, and if it is not the same, then I expect the answer from you, why don't all the professors have the same experience as you?

[milewilda]

~snip

Theory without practice is nothing. If a person has learned something in school, become educated, but cant use that knowledge, I would say that his knowledge worth nothing and he has wasted his time. Relying blindly on education only is wrong, because school or university give only basic knowledge. Everything else person learn only when he use his knowledge.

That can sound wrong, but I would go with skill and master it, and dedicate less time to education, because today it is easy to find educated person, than a skilled master.

You are not wrong at all.
The labor market demands for skilled workers, while education act as the icing on the cake. In as much as the society tends to make more emphasis on education and having a good degree, those with skills(especially experience) are what companies look for. There is this saying that changed my mindset about the reality of life and going to school to get a degree.
It goes like this: "school teaches you a lesson and gives you a test, while Life gives you a test, and when you fail that test, it teaches you a lesson. I believe this is the situation so many people have found themselves when they neglect skill even while it is related to their degree.

Like I will always say, nothing can take the place of the other. Both are important, but it is left for everyone to make their choices.

Both are important, that is not a question, but skill is more important. Education, that is 12 years in school, 4+3 years in university. Without hesitation I can say that at least 3 years in school I have spend not very useful. If at that age I had a place which profession I would do, I would skip some classes and years. To bad school education can not be so individual. From 7 years of university, 1.5 were totally useless. It was time to write diploma work. I was doing it parallel working, I think I have attended university less than 10 times during those 1.5 years, but had to pay for study... Not everyone as me were working parallel writing diploma work, so those 1.5 years they slacked at home. They would better be getting experience during that period.

All matters about time management but we do know that due to hectic schedule on which we are still schooling or lets say that you are getting your course masteral then you will definitely be thinking that you do need to pass it out. It might be true that education might be worthless sometimes but we cant be able to deny the fact that once you do able to get or have these titles or lets say that you do have masters or even having that bachelors degree, then you do have at least that chance or having that much more better odds on landing a job. Lets just that accept the fact that these are the standards today on which if you have planned not to go to school and trying out to pursue other careers then this is something that you do need to mind off and make it sure that you arent that wasting up your time too on which you supposedly go to school rather than on spending time. Im not saying that you wont be trying out to grind into things that pertains about business or investment but come to think that it will be that just that too hard since you dont have the capital even if you do wanted to start up with that kind of plan. Therefore, you best solution will be that finishing up degree, get a job, then try out to find another side hustle or income that you do find yourself having that passion and interest and trying out to grind out slowly and gradually and as long you do have that progress then better to pursue it out.

[Nheer]

I know many people try to downplay education these days, but let us be honest, most jobs you are going to seek will require you to have a degree at least before you can apply.

Exactly what I have in mind, many people actually underestimate what education gives us that they think nothing much can be achieved with education but they are wrong. What education offers us is far more than people think, education helps with improving a lot of things like a person intellectual development, helps to advance the way of doing certain things and so on.

Every job requires a degree at least and it's because they know the reasoning of an educated person is different and way ahead of uneducated people.

That said, both school and skills are important, go to school, get a degree, learn a skill, do all you can to make yourself more relevant and indispensable, there is no use picking one over the other.

You're absolutely right, it is not written anywhere that a person cannot achieve both, having both gives you more advantage in life and it is not really difficult to acquire both  but If I was made to choose one then I think I will pick education over skill.

I know my country has downplay education a lot and more people are diverting into skills and work due to the nature of the economic situation in the country but I still know the relevance of education in our lives.

[Akbarkoe]

Education and skills are two very important things, because we will never be able to work in a well-known company if we do not have a diploma, even if we have sufficient skills needed by the company. Likewise with a diploma, if we do not have sufficient skills, then the diploma will be useless and meaningless.

A rule has forced us to go to school for more than 12 years, but sometimes the knowledge and theories we get in school do not match what happens and is needed in the world of work. Therefore, it is quite important for us to be able to seek other knowledge outside of school, and deepen the skills we have, because this is what is needed when entering the world of work, while a diploma is just a requirement.

Those rules are stupid because schools and universities promote violence. The solution to this is to slack off at work because your employer fucking hates you. I bet most of you work jobs that are complete and total bullshit. And by bullshit, I mean that you may work hard, but your contributions do not make the world a better place and your job could be eliminated and people won't miss anything.

I am still waiting for universities to apologize. But people don't care about this because they are bloodthirsty.

Regards,

-Joseph Van Name Ph.D.

Your argument is quite interesting but you do not provide a clear case as a basis for your statement, not only insults that you can convey, logically you are just talking nonsense if the content is only that, let's examine more deeply what you mean.

This would be an interesting finding if you provide detailed cause and effect, I will make it a case study to be studied.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

That said, both school and skills are important, go to school, get a degree, learn a skill, do all you can to make yourself more relevant and indispensable, there is no use picking one over the other.

You're absolutely right, it is not written anywhere that a person cannot achieve both, having both gives you more advantage in life and it is not really difficult to acquire both  but If I was made to choose one then I think I will pick education over skill.

I know my country has downplay education a lot and more people are diverting into skills and work due to the nature of the economic situation in the country but I still know the relevance of education in our lives.

People are just doing what they have to do to make an ends meet. What you said is the truth, both education and skill is advantageous to an individual but in a situation where people have to choose, some people will choose the one that will enable them to start earning first and they will then go for the next one at a later time. For example, if someone is certain that they will get a job in a company once they are done with school, they will just choose school over skill but if reverse is the case, they will also choose skill over the formal.

[Su-asa]

Education and skills are very important in life, but choose the one that's  is beneficial at the moment, because its about money and freedom.

Practical knowledge is more important than formal education because knowledge that can be acquired but will not be useful in real life for income generation is not necessary. Nowadays, even a graduate cannot earn the same amount as a YouTube blogger. It is understood that the world is gradually reducing the income opportunities of educated people.

As you said, practical knowledge is necessary. After getting educated by reading books, they have to wait until they gain work experience and work for less and less salary because they are not experienced. That is why the education system of every country should be made in such a way that after getting work experience and reading books, they have the right knowledge of every subject and are ready to enter the working life. If an educated person has low income, then he should not be blamed because he may be earning less by chance. Bloggers earn more than educated people but he may not get the same appreciation as an educated person. More money can never be a criterion of qualification.

Recently a company in Nigeria recruited over 200 undergraduates for a training program, while they learn for 15 months they are also going to earn over 200 thousand naira monthly. There are graduates looking for that opportunity and they haven't even gotten it,  going to school and having a certificate has been made irrelevant in the country. Companies are now after skills than your certificate, this is becoming very concerning, In a few years education would lose its value

[DYING_S0UL]

That said, both school and skills are important, go to school, get a degree, learn a skill, do all you can to make yourself more relevant and indispensable, there is no use picking one over the other.

You're absolutely right, it is not written anywhere that a person cannot achieve both, having both gives you more advantage in life and it is not really difficult to acquire both  but If I was made to choose one then I think I will pick education over skill.

I know my country has downplay education a lot and more people are diverting into skills and work due to the nature of the economic situation in the country but I still know the relevance of education in our lives.

People are just doing what they have to do to make an ends meet. What you said is the truth, both education and skill is advantageous to an individual but in a situation where people have to choose, some people will choose the one that will enable them to start earning first and they will then go for the next one at a later time. For example, if someone is certain that they will get a job in a company once they are done with school, they will just choose school over skill but if reverse is the case, they will also choose skill over the formal.

We must not forget that the schools (not versity or phd level education) are only here to give us a little glimpse on various subjects but it doesn't make us an expert in one particular thing. That is why skill comes in here. After acquiring the required knowledge from general education, we can set out to learn the skill. That's how it is. Tbh, both of them are uniquely important.. and dependent on each other.

[Jaksonhard]

We need both school and skill to apply a job. If company require someone to have much skill posses, we must improve ourselves to have that skill that needed by the company. But that will not important if you have relation in that company so you can pass all things without a problem. That is what happen in my country because fresh graduate have difficulty to apply a job because they are lack of experience. And without having a skill, they will not easy to compete with other people who want the same job.

Yes, if we go to an office or a company for a job, we need both skills and knowledge. Companies always want their employees to have a lot of knowledge about the job and have many skills that will make many jobs easier. And along with this, we need education because if we do not have educational education inside us, then we will never be able to apply for any job or office. As a result, if we do not have educational education, then we are worthless anywhere, so we need both education and skills. If these two things are inside a person, he will be able to brighten his life.

[bakasabo]

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All matters about time management but we do know that due to hectic schedule on which we are still schooling or lets say that you are getting your course masteral then you will definitely be thinking that you do need to pass it out. It might be true that education might be worthless sometimes but we cant be able to deny the fact that once you do able to get or have these titles or lets say that you do have masters or even having that bachelors degree, then you do have at least that chance or having that much more better odds on landing a job. Lets just that accept the fact that these are the standards today on which if you have planned not to go to school and trying out to pursue other careers then this is something that you do need to mind off and make it sure that you arent that wasting up your time too on which you supposedly go to school rather than on spending time. Im not saying that you wont be trying out to grind into things that pertains about business or investment but come to think that it will be that just that too hard since you dont have the capital even if you do wanted to start up with that kind of plan. Therefore, you best solution will be that finishing up degree, get a job, then try out to find another side hustle or income that you do find yourself having that passion and interest and trying out to grind out slowly and gradually and as long you do have that progress then better to pursue it out.

Standards... Society force us to follow standards. After 9 grade I could have moved to «college» (its is called like that in our country, but it is not a higher education) and get a profession skill. Instead of getting MBA, I 4 years for BA could be enough. By the time people finish getting MBA and start job search, I could be having 2 spare years do to that, and a skill for a profession instead of theory. If same day I and «past me»  open job market for search, «new» I would be having experience. I know that it very individual and not always things go as we plan, but I think we spend more time on education than we should.

[DaNNy001]

By my assumptions, there are strong indications already that we are moving past an era where employers put educational qualifications at the fore front of their requirement for employment into certain positions, some employers now hold personal qualities such as skills possessed by the individual ahead of the school they went to and the degree they graduated with. First, I would like to ask, could this be a reflection of a failing educational system? My second question is that if you happen to be the employer here, which will you consider more, school or skills?

Both of us need to have these two activities in ourselves. Because if you are applicable to the job field, then you need to have two things, degree and diploma. Your educational qualification will be considered for employment in a position. When you are accessed by looking at your documents, after that your qualities and skills will be considered. How far you are ahead in terms of skills is considered as a job by the employer. In other words, we need both school and skills.

You are right both of them are important, I think going to school in this generation is now like a back up plan, you do with the hopes that when something comes up you can have a degree to present..one thing that's inevitable is that no matter how skillful a person is without a certificate backing you up the man with low quality skills compared to yours might have the upper hand in terms of getting some jobs..this is why when most people get a job based on the skill they have they still need obtain a degree so that they can get higher position and offer.. education can facilitate the results of your skills.

[jvanname]

Your argument is quite interesting but you do not provide a clear case as a basis for your statement, not only insults that you can convey, logically you are just talking nonsense if the content is only that, let's examine more deeply what you mean.

This would be an interesting finding if you provide detailed cause and effect, I will make it a case study to be studied.

I was a professor, and I am sharing my observations about universities. You don't like this because there is something seriously wrong with you. And the reaction I get from everyone is a clear signal that universities are incredibly unprofessional worthless pieces of shit. And I call people stupid and evil because they really are stupid and evil. It is not just an insult. Evil is evil.

Regards,

-Joseph Van Name Ph.D.

[silpersurfer]

Both are important, that is not a question, but skill is more important. Education, that is 12 years in school, 4+3 years in university. Without hesitation I can say that at least 3 years in school I have spend not very useful. If at that age I had a place which profession I would do, I would skip some classes and years. To bad school education can not be so individual. From 7 years of university, 1.5 were totally useless. It was time to write diploma work. I was doing it parallel working, I think I have attended university less than 10 times during those 1.5 years, but had to pay for study... Not everyone as me were working parallel writing diploma work, so those 1.5 years they slacked at home. They would better be getting experience during that period.

You are right, education and skills is important. But in some part of the world, education doesn't favor everyone cause I know many people that are done with their educations but still jobless, although no body knows if in future they will see some job that pays them a cents. But my point is education doesn't favor everyone, mostly in a country that doesn't give a fvk about their citizens.
Most importantly is to get a skill and also be educated so you don't be an illustrate. If educational certificates can't provide you a job you make use of your skills.

Unfortunately, education is still seen only as a requirement to get a job, not as a means to develop one's potential and skills. As a result, many people pursue a diploma alone, without truly mastering the skills needed in the real world. In fact, a diploma is just a piece of paper, which will be useless if not accompanied by real abilities.

More than that, we also cannot close our eyes to the fact that the current education system does not fully support the less fortunate. Children from poor families often have to go to school in places with minimal facilities, limited teachers, and an environment that is less supportive. This is different from those from wealthy families, who can go to the best institutions with complete facilities, skills training, and even internship opportunities or extensive connections.

This is the big challenge for the world of education, so that it is not only a tool for producing graduates, but truly becomes a fair space and encourages every child, from any background, to develop and be ready to face the future.

[Baki202]

You are right, education and skills is important. But in some part of the world, education doesn't favor everyone cause I know many people that are done with their educations but still jobless, although no body knows if in future they will see some job that pays them a cents. But my point is education doesn't favor everyone, mostly in a country that doesn't give a fvk about their citizens.
Most importantly is to get a skill and also be educated so you don't be an illustrate. If educational certificates can't provide you a job you make use of your skills.

And people are still confused on what to choose exactly because you never can tell which one will be of more relevance but when you look at it skill is more relevant and there people that did not go to school and they are doing very well for them self. All they depend on is the skill and if you look at most of this advanced countries what they should concern about most times is the skill because people with skill are more experienced than those that even went to school because education is just for fancy sometimes there are people with more knowledge in that field so, and most of this industries will prefer to actually hire people with skills and I noticed another thing with advance countries they will go to school but more of the skill so there is more experience in hands than in the book. Everyone can actually get a skill then add a little of education to it, it makes more sence that way.

[Reynaldo]

Looking at my own team, our best performers came from non-traditional backgrounds but brought specialized skills and proven track records. One guy never finished high school but built three successful DeFi protocols from scratch. Another has multiple degrees but couldn't adapt to changing market conditions. True life story.