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March 09, 2025, 09:30:59 PM
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Don't be deceied, educational qualification and certifications holds a higher place in recruitment into some positions.

There are roles where educational qualifications and certifications are a powerful combo. And your experience alone is not enough. If you are looking to build a career in the civil service then you know that they will pay based on expereince and educational qualifications.

In tech organizations, it may be a different case but at some point, you need those certifications. Microsoft, Google, Oracle, and other tech comapanies all have their certifications that, as a person of skill, you will strive to get it.
Fristly it is very important to have the school and aslo been skilled, because we never can tell where job opportunities lie around maybe for example a well building company might be looking for a well certify building engineer which is well certify and in other words that person might just be having only an educational qualification it might just a disqualification that preson,

Just as you have said the tech world after the skilled ones that very good at  programming language's like java,C++, cloud and IT, and CYBERSECURITY now adays many companies gives professional opportunities to start learning independently.

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March 09, 2025, 10:15:07 PM
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By my assumptions, there are strong indications already that we are moving past an era where employers put educational qualifications at the fore front of their requirement for employment into certain positions, some employers now hold personal qualities such as skills possessed by the individual ahead of the school they went to and the degree they graduated with. First, I would like to ask, could this be a reflection of a failing educational system? My second question is that if you happen to be the employer here, which will you consider more, school or skills?
Some jobs do not require skills, education is preferred for those positions. Some jobs require skills, so you should prioritize skilled people. Now not only do you have to be skilled, you have to be educated. In our country there is no need for skill in government jobs, because training will be given in government jobs. But for some positions in the company you need to be skilled in that subject, you cannot join that job just by being educated, and the company will not give you any training. So it is better to acquire work skills along with studies.

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March 09, 2025, 10:22:19 PM
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By my assumptions, there are strong indications already that we are moving past an era where employers put educational qualifications at the fore front of their requirement for employment into certain positions, some employers now hold personal qualities such as skills possessed by the individual ahead of the school they went to and the degree they graduated with. First, I would like to ask, could this be a reflection of a failing educational system? My second question is that if you happen to be the employer here, which will you consider more, school or skills?
One is not enough you need the both, the educational requirements is what qualifies you to apply for the job while the skill you have is to prove that you can be able to add value in your place of works . The reason why most employers prefer workers with skill is because they consider the organisation or company to grow faster,  they don't want to employ just graduates that has educational qualifications and they will now have to train the worker to be skillful. I think both education and skill has it good roles they are playing in every workplace.  If you have only one of them it can cause so many missed opportunities.

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March 09, 2025, 10:27:02 PM
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By my assumptions, there are strong indications already that we are moving past an era where employers put educational qualifications at the fore front of their requirement for employment into certain positions, some employers now hold personal qualities such as skills possessed by the individual ahead of the school they went to and the degree they graduated with. First, I would like to ask, could this be a reflection of a failing educational system? My second question is that if you happen to be the employer here, which will you consider more, school or skills?
Well, I can say that it depends on the region where you come from and reside in, because while some countries will require a journeyman or skilled labour certificate for you to be employed and given the right benefits, others may just want to look for school graduates who are willing and can learn fast in the job, mostly when it isn't technically inclined.

For me, I would prefer for a child or even an adult  to grow both mentally and emotionally in order to have a bearing, that is, have a control of where they want their life to head in, before deciding if they should complete a higher education or attain a lower one and then acquire a skill that should be able to earn them a reasonable living.
Skills these days earn more living that an educational qualification would, but those who went to school have a greater chance of attaining a managerial position as compared to those who are hardcore reliant on their learned skills.

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March 09, 2025, 11:25:48 PM
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It depends. If he is applying for executive or top positions, I will definitely focus more on his educational attainment and the school where he had finished his degree. But if this is all about operational jobs, or we are talking here more on the frontliners, I would prioritize skills over educational attainment. Well, having both would surely be a bonus for the company.

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First, I would like to ask, could this be a reflection of a failing educational system?
It is a reflection of a closed educational system. When schools fail to change their curriculum to suit current trends it will become useless. Some country's teaching content still includes subjects or courses that are obsolete. These days, the biggest and most effective school is not physical but on the internet.

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My second question is that if you happen to be the employer here, which will you consider more, school or skills?
Skills, of course. Certificates or school degrees cannot do the job. A good degree without skills to do the job is a waste of resources. This is why I encourage young graduates to add relevant skill sets to their certificates.
Schools with high reputation will do their best to produce students who are not just smart and intelligent but well-skilled as well so they can cope up with the high competition in the real world after graduation. That means that, as an employer, I will surely consider both, to maximize and boost their potentials as that would benefit not only the company itself, but these workers as well.

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March 09, 2025, 11:45:52 PM
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The job determines what option an employer will choose personally not all job requires a full graduate likewise skills. If I may ask what kind of skillful individual still roam around looking for a job when they can start something little then grow as time goes definitely they’re very talented so I expect success. No one should spread out false information because companies /organization still need a good certificate before employment but, the only difference it’s difficult getting a job with just a school certificate due to the competition. It might be as a result of failed educational system as op mentioned, the educational system is messed up whereby without money there’s no degree of course the society has gotten to a different level.

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By my assumptions, there are strong indications already that we are moving past an era where employers put educational qualifications at the fore front of their requirement for employment into certain positions, some employers now hold personal qualities such as skills possessed by the individual ahead of the school they went to and the degree they graduated with. First, I would like to ask, could this be a reflection of a failing educational system? My second question is that if you happen to be the employer here, which will you consider more, school or skills?
I don't think it is in a failed education system but an education system that is no longer in accordance with the development of the era where today's experts or workers who have more skills needed, it is none other than increasing the value needed for work, technological disruption of ordinary jobs, so actually talking about the education system is not just a failure.

Of course if I am an employer then I will adjust the needs of what to do and what qualifications are worthy of being able to work in the position needed, the skills are indeed important but skills without etiquette are also bad, someone who has been in school must be taught about manners so that it is healthier for the work environment.

 
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By my assumptions, there are strong indications already that we are moving past an era where employers put educational qualifications at the fore front of their requirement for employment into certain positions, some employers now hold personal qualities such as skills possessed by the individual ahead of the school they went to and the degree they graduated with. First, I would like to ask, could this be a reflection of a failing educational system? My second question is that if you happen to be the employer here, which will you consider more, school or skills?
In the selection of a candidate or employee, both educational qualifications and skills are required. However, it depends on the position in the job. If an employee is not educated enough, then of course that employee will not be able to provide management leadership, no matter how much skill he has in other areas. Therefore, an employee must master both areas. Just being educated is not enough and just having skills is not enough. An educated and skilled employee is of the utmost importance.

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How can you prove you have skills if you didn't attend to school? When you are looking for a job, the employer will ask for your history, so they can know your qualifications. If there is nothing to show, you are just going to be ignored.

I understand there are autodidact individuals who learn by themselves, but thinking rationally, it will be much harder for them to be noticed in an employment system for the masses. The employer won't give personal attention to an autodidact individual to show his skills, as it's too time demanding, probably enough to analyze histories from 10 different candidates or more.

Educational background guarantees you a first good impression. If you ally it to the fact of being a skilled individual, you are already above 80% of the current market's labour force.

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Degree acted as a key for you to open your career progression, while skill really helped you in improving your career. Both degree and skill matters a lot.

None will pay you a lot when you're fresh graduate, and also unskilled person.

Degree and skill are the things that can't be separated. They're going along.

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The fools here claim to be educated, but they do not even know that Bitcoin does not even have a mining algorithm that was never designed to advance science. I bet they have degrees from universities too. It is too bad that they did not learn anything from those worthless institutions because universities are too busy promoting violence instead of educating the students!

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There are many countries in the world where educational qualification is not given much importance. When a brilliant student applies for a job with his talent and when an ordinary student bribes to get a job, it is seen that the talented student does not get the job. When it comes to working in an office court, a skilled person is more important than educational qualification. Because only a skilled person can move an organization forward.  If you give importance to any work, you can achieve the skill of that work.
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By my assumptions, there are strong indications already that we are moving past an era where employers put educational qualifications at the fore front of their requirement for employment into certain positions, some employers now hold personal qualities such as skills possessed by the individual ahead of the school they went to and the degree they graduated with. First, I would like to ask, could this be a reflection of a failing educational system? My second question is that if you happen to be the employer here, which will you consider more, school or skills?

The trend of devaluation of diplomas and all kinds of certificates in comparison with the real competencies of the employee began a long time ago. It seems to me that this is a consequence of the profanation of the education system, which has turned into a regular business for profit. And how can you increase your profit? For example, by reducing costs, which to the education system is equivalent to reducing the quality of the educational process. As a result, the output turns out to be laymen instead of well-trained specialists. Although it may have been like this not only now, but always, we just think it's something new when the education system degrades.


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March 10, 2025, 05:58:47 AM
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By my assumptions, there are strong indications already that we are moving past an era where employers put educational qualifications at the fore front of their requirement for employment into certain positions, some employers now hold personal qualities such as skills possessed by the individual ahead of the school they went to and the degree they graduated with. First, I would like to ask, could this be a reflection of a failing educational system? My second question is that if you happen to be the employer here, which will you consider more, school or skills?
To address the first question. The reason why it seems that employers considering a person’s personal qualities looks like it’s in somewhat way discrediting educational qualifications is simply because, most people who pas through the educational system now prioritize grades over knowledge and actual education, which is totally wrong. Usually, your level educates and grades are meant to match or say a lot about your knowledge and skills in that particular field of study, but now, grades are being manipulated and students rather than focusing more on the education now focus more on the grades. Now since grades are often misleading as one without experience may actually acquire the best grades too. Now the educational system isn’t failing, because there are people who still pass through it and come out being the best at what they do. It’s just quite unfortunate that several others have found a way to rig this system.

And concerning the second question. If I were in a position to employ someone, of course I’d look at their grades first and then move further to confirm if the grades they carry around actually matches their level of education and experience in that particular field.

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By my assumptions, there are strong indications already that we are moving past an era where employers put educational qualifications at the fore front of their requirement for employment into certain positions, some employers now hold personal qualities such as skills possessed by the individual ahead of the school they went to and the degree they graduated with. First, I would like to ask, could this be a reflection of a failing educational system? My second question is that if you happen to be the employer here, which will you consider more, school or skills?
Slowly, people understand that degree is not everything. A degree simply means that you are someone who is capable of remembering what's written on paper and you are someone who can do homework. Doing math at school or at the university (MBA) doesn't mean that you'll be a good manager or CEO in the company. Real life is different, it's not like math, you never do math work when you are the manager, you have to solve real life problems instead of doing math. Also, in programming, someone can be good at math every way but there can also be someone who isn't good at math but can write clean and very good codes, that are better than the codes of the person who got A at university. Having a good degree is always good but it's not everything and companies are learning that today.

So, for me, skills matter the most. If I want my company to be successful, I want someone who is very skilled. I don't care what's written on paper, the paper is not a guarantee of my success but real-life projects and proven skills are definitely an indicator.

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March 10, 2025, 09:18:52 AM
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Just as you have said the tech world after the skilled ones that very good at  programming language's like java, C++, cloud and IT, and CYBERSECURITY now adays many companies gives professional opportunities to start learning independently.
Those certifications can also only be gotten by people who have basic education who can read and write. Many companies have their own global recognized certifications that their staff are recommended to do.

Some of these organizations even have their own training schools.

Aside these tech companies other industries do have it, and the barest minimum is the having at least a primary school certificate.

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Actually, I think this two things is considered very important but with the way the country is, i think I will consider skill as my first choice before any other thing. Because I may not be lucky enough to be employed in any of this big company with my certificate maybe when I finally graduated from school, which is why I will choose to go for skill. because is going to serve as backup even when I'm not employed in any of this companies, And is also going to help me in paying most of my school bills instead of relying on someone,  I guess you know how difficult it is when we rely on someone maybe when the person is not there things becomes very though for us. However,  with the way the country is I think acquiring a skill should be considered being the first choice more especially for those that does not have a helping hand it will help you in paying most of your school bills.

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I believe that for "complex" professions, formal education is essential—think engineers, doctors, and similar roles. These fields require a solid foundation of theoretical knowledge that you typically get through schooling. However, for more straightforward jobs, experience tends to be the best teacher. The more you do something, the better you get at it. For example, the more you drive, the easier it becomes to work as a taxi driver. Practice and real-world experience can often outweigh formal training in these cases.
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Skills set is very important but In order to make significant progress or be promoted in where you work you need to get a degree but just like you said they are no longer putting this at the forefront because overtime some people who have gone to school come out without having any experience, they just pay their way through every test and exam,

Someone that has both skills and school qualifications has a good provision for any company they work, you might start with the skill you are being employed as, don't worry the time will come when favour will look for you because companies usually do promotion all the time, and for bigger promotion they keep it in average height were only people who has paper outside from their skills they have will only be accepted, so that's the place were education normally pay those in such situation and this is not done by who knows the work more because they kept education to be the justification of that and a lot people who even came new to some companies got the privilege than even those already before them, so that's the importance.

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