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May 14, 2025, 05:46:55 PM
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Investing is the only way to grow because without investing into "something", what are you going to get that money from? Like as a logic, there is really no way that you can get wealthy without any investment, which means that is going to be a trouble. Many people end up with mistakes on this thinking that investment is just stocks or bitcoin, but that is not it, it could be anything, could be buying many houses could be buying a house, could be renting a store and selling stuff, all of them are investment.

So yeah, in theory, there is absolutely no way that you could make money without any investment, so you have to find what you love and you should invest into it so that you could start making money from it as well.

There are no limits to investing. Many people invest in certain things, but there are many less desirable things to invest in. I am not sure if it is possible to get rich without investing. You can get rich through inheritance, but there is a possibility that the inherited wealth was also earned through investment. There may be things we cannot think of that will make you rich without investing, but these examples are very limited.

Especially nowadays, the importance of investment has increased because it has become necessary to invest due to reasons such as the depreciation of money against inflation.

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May 14, 2025, 07:43:27 PM
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I wouldn't want to create a very lengthy topic to post as I don't see any reason for doing so..
So I was thinking something tonight that everyone or anyone who succeeded or becoming wealthy today do they really succeed through investments?

If yes, then how many people around you becoming wealthy through investments?

In my opinion, the majority of people who were successful today started from personal skill or self development, after which before they started investments.

What Is your thoughts over this?
In the past, before the digital era, the easiest way for people to get rich was to be part of production, for example by building a factory because at that time the world was short of goods. Every production of goods was the same as printing money. Now with the emergence of many countries that have become producer countries, as a result, having a factory is not as sexy as it used to be, even most factories go bankrupt due to oversupply or inefficiency. The point is, business patterns are always changing. Guessing patterns is the key to getting rich.

So for now, in my opinion, the easiest way to get more wealth is to focus on the technology, digital, and investment sectors. Because investment is currently one way to achieve wealth because it allows money to grow faster and generate additional income. Many rich people in the world today are not because of business but because of investment. If you ask whether investment will make you rich, then the answer is yes.

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May 14, 2025, 09:06:10 PM
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I wouldn't want to create a very lengthy topic to post as I don't see any reason for doing so..
So I was thinking something tonight that everyone or anyone who succeeded or becoming wealthy today do they really succeed through investments?

If yes, then how many people around you becoming wealthy through investments?

In my opinion, the majority of people who were successful today started from personal skill or self development, after which before they started investments.

What Is your thoughts over this?

It depends what you mean by "investments", because everyone who has substantial assets will usually be invested somewhere and not just keep it all in their bank account earning feeble amounts of interest that does not keep up with inflation. Anyone who has built a company up and usually owns a decent chunk of it will have all their money in shares of that company, but it's usually a little less liquid if it's not publicly traded. Many people who inherit wealth will usually be getting it in the form of investments whether that is property, precious metals, stocks or other valuable goods. They will often be a little less savvy with their money, because it takes a lot of shrewd thinking to accumulate vast wealth and very little thought to spend it all at a quick rate.

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May 14, 2025, 09:26:58 PM
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I wouldn't want to create a very lengthy topic to post as I don't see any reason for doing so..
So I was thinking something tonight that everyone or anyone who succeeded or becoming wealthy today do they really succeed through investments?

If yes, then how many people around you becoming wealthy through investments?

In my opinion, the majority of people who were successful today started from personal skill or self development, after which before they started investments.

What Is your thoughts over this?
Those who are already rich can become rich through good investments but a middle class or lower class investor cannot become rich because before the investment is successful, they have to sell due to lack of family. I also think that not many people can become rich through investments. Most of those who have become rich have become rich because of their own skills and self-development. For example, I am not very good at education and I have not obtained a higher degree myself but it is not possible to become rich through investments because I will invest in something and if it is not successful then I should not leave it to my luck and claim to be rich. Of course, to become rich one needs skills and personal self-development and for this, education and obtaining a higher degree are essential.

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May 15, 2025, 05:16:44 AM
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I wouldn't want to create a very lengthy topic to post as I don't see any reason for doing so..
So I was thinking something tonight that everyone or anyone who succeeded or becoming wealthy today do they really succeed through investments?

If yes, then how many people around you becoming wealthy through investments?

In my opinion, the majority of people who were successful today started from personal skill or self development, after which before they started investments.

What Is your thoughts over this?
In the past, before the digital era, the easiest way for people to get rich was to be part of production, for example by building a factory because at that time the world was short of goods. Every production of goods was the same as printing money. Now with the emergence of many countries that have become producer countries, as a result, having a factory is not as sexy as it used to be, even most factories go bankrupt due to oversupply or inefficiency. The point is, business patterns are always changing. Guessing patterns is the key to getting rich.

So for now, in my opinion, the easiest way to get more wealth is to focus on the technology, digital, and investment sectors. Because investment is currently one way to achieve wealth because it allows money to grow faster and generate additional income. Many rich people in the world today are not because of business but because of investment. If you ask whether investment will make you rich, then the answer is yes.
Factory = money printer in the past. Scarcity of supply equaled surplus of opportunity. Now? Globalization collapsed that advantage. There are too many people in the system, inefficient costs is too much, and owning a factory in 2025 is more like managing liabilities than using assets

We've moved on from producing goods to manufacturing abstractions: information, networks, and choices. Wealth now scales faster through capital allocation than direct production. But is investing still "productive", or is it just a way to think about things? Because investment, today, is often more about front-running trends and navigating perception than funding innovation. A huge amount of digital wealth doesn't add value to anything. It just redistributes it. A lot of people don't know they're playing a meta-game: your bet is not on the company itself, but on everyone else's bets on the company

You say investment will make you rich. Yes, as long as you're early, flexible, mentally prepared, and somewhat detached. But for most people, investing is just another way to chase things. And chasing isn’t wealth. Chasing is dependency dressed as ambition. So, if we want to get rich, we should also work on our focus, self-discipline, and mental toughness

 
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May 15, 2025, 05:25:53 AM
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You say investment will make you rich. Yes, as long as you're early, flexible, mentally prepared, and somewhat detached. But for most people, investing is just another way to chase things. And chasing isn’t wealth. Chasing is dependency dressed as ambition. So, if we want to get rich, we should also work on our focus, self-discipline, and mental toughness

Intentions and ideals of course exist in every individual. People come to the world of investment, their type and pattern will definitely adjust and look for a type of business that is indeed compatible and fits the character they have, if they force it, of course, they will experience ups and downs.

I think it must also be adjusted to us, meaning starting a business is identical if our body accepts it. Like me, even though I have studied technical trading properly and correctly, I still always fall into the same hole of losing assets. Maybe this sounds funny but if you feel it, yes.
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May 15, 2025, 08:46:30 PM
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If investment is not just money but also ideas, time or skills, then it is true that if we do not invest, we will never become rich.
Like Elon before becoming a top investor or the richest person in the world, he relied on his skills and ideas to build 2 brands Zip2 and PayPal, then sold them for hundreds of millions of dollars. Or athletes, artists like Cristiano Ronaldo or Messi...they all become rich thanks to their talent and skills without investing in assets like bitcoin, stocks...

In my opinion, the more accurate question is, if we don't invest financially, will we be rich?
That is what investment means. People think "investing" is just money, but you invest into yourself, you invest time, you invest even your effort. So, it is quite important that we are making money and that investment is the most important part but that doesn't mean we are going to make money any other way. This way we could make some money and that is the most important part of it.

If we can get to a point where we can invest into our skill and that needs to be what makes us money, is still a way to make money. This is why it is not something that must be money, it could be something else, so we can do a good job of it. I know it's tough but we can definitely get a greater return from this and not really be worried about it at all.

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So I was thinking something tonight that everyone or anyone who succeeded or becoming wealthy today do they really succeed through investments?
In my country, this is the best way to become wealthy and that's through having successful investments, assets and businesses. But there are also other ways but they're illegal and also being a corrupt politician. The latter one don't require an investment at all but just become popular and famous, you'll get the seat in the public post and deal with the budgeting through their hands going to their pockets.

In my opinion, the majority of people who were successful today started from personal skill or self development, after which before they started investments.
From the start, this is natural process of being wealthy. Most of us started from below, as in nada and then able to make it to the top through slow progress. But with that progress, it's the best way without having to think of going down anymore because loving the process is part of it. With how the world changes too, with ai advancement, I think people can also capitalize on that become an expert on that niche since adoption rate of it is in demand.


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Those who are already rich can become rich through good investments but a middle class or lower class investor cannot become rich because before the investment is successful, they have to sell due to lack of family. I also think that not many people can become rich through investments. Most of those who have become rich have become rich because of their own skills and self-development. For example, I am not very good at education and I have not obtained a higher degree myself but it is not possible to become rich through investments because I will invest in something and if it is not successful then I should not leave it to my luck and claim to be rich. Of course, to become rich one needs skills and personal self-development and for this, education and obtaining a higher degree are essential.
The discussion about wealth is actually for me too complex because after all we must be aware that at the end of the day when we refer to wealth then everyone has a different view and we must be aware of where we have to determine the attitude to this.

The point is that when we are indeed in the middle class or lower economic level in the end we also have to be introspective about what we spent before. Investment is only one way to support our economy to be better in the future, not to become rich because in the end, rich is relative depending on our perspective.
Although maybe this will be said to be a source of wealth by some people but in the end we will not deny that investment is only a protection of what we have today for a better future so that in the end it doesn't matter whether it will make us rich or not as long as we have better finances in the future by investing in the end it is very good.


 
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In my opinion, the majority of people who were successful today started from personal skill or self development, after which before they started investments.

What Is your thoughts over this?

Your postulates projects investment like must having to put funds in some project or the funds have to be some large some. If that be your thoughts then I think not.

Skill acquisition counts for personal or personnel development. It’s a form of investment too. Rather than having to invest in some project or asset of value, you chose to invest in self development and that’s okay. It gives you something to build on, to get the desired funds before you can go into something else or expand your expertise. It all started from investing in yourself.

Hence, investment remains a way towards building wealth.

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Your postulates projects investment like must having to put funds in some project or the funds have to be some large some. If that be your thoughts then I think not.

Skill acquisition counts for personal or personnel development. It’s a form of investment too. Rather than having to invest in some project or asset of value, you chose to invest in self development and that’s okay. It gives you something to build on, to get the desired funds before you can go into something else or expand your expertise. It all started from investing in yourself.

Hence, investment remains a way towards building wealth.
Yes, it is true that investment is very important in self-development with the potential that is in front of us to build wealth, at the beginning of investment it is difficult because we need to choose an investment that is truly safe to put it, of course there are many factors that must be considered including sufficient funds when starting an investment, even though the funds are small, you can start by investing in land according to your ability because I think its value will definitely increase every year on condition that the location must be strategic.
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May 16, 2025, 03:53:51 AM
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In my opinion, the majority of people who were successful today started from personal skill or self development, after which before they started investments.



From what I understand, this is also a form of investment and they call it “human capital investment”. Unlike financial investment which requires money to start, this form of investment is suitable for everyone and anyone can start investing from zero.

So it can be concluded that we can become rich without financial investment, but we will never be able to improve our lives, let alone become rich, without investment in human capital.


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There are plenty of people who get wealthy from investments. I suppose initially there must be hard work to earn the capital to make those investments. Either that or inheritance or a gift from a relative. But there are lots of people who create a large income stream via investments.
Investing is easy getting capital is hard.

I think most of people who purely getting rich from investment is putting capital into risky asset or some sort. That way they can get higher profit than anyone else but frankly speaking, it's always capital first.

Investing is like farming, the bigger the land, the more money you can get. so there's that.

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I wouldn't want to create a very lengthy topic to post as I don't see any reason for doing so..
So I was thinking something tonight that everyone or anyone who succeeded or becoming wealthy today do they really succeed through investments?

If yes, then how many people around you becoming wealthy through investments?

In my opinion, the majority of people who were successful today started from personal skill or self development, after which before they started investments.

What Is your thoughts over this?

One fact is that there is no one on earth that can succeed or get wealthy without investing because when we are talking of investment in general, it means what you put your money in as capital; after some time, you will get your profit. You must invest time to get money, even if you didn’t have the money to invest. Although some people inherited their wealth, which still, if they didn’t invest, they will definitely go bankrupt; it’s just a matter of time.

So if not for the sake of thinking, which sometimes always happens, it will be hard for people to get money without investing their time, energy or money. Do no matter what it takes; you have to sacrifice something to get money less of wealth.

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May 16, 2025, 06:00:05 AM
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The process of investment is capital intensive that is why most people will have to work and raise money so that they can invest having a skill will only make you to have money so you can afford the basic needs of life and not make you wealthy there is different between someone having money to spend any actually been wealthy wealth is having control of money and resources which will only come through investments and setting up of business


The fact is without an investment the probability of anyone becoming wealthy will be low because looking at the top richest people in the world they are all investors not people that has one skill or the other you can only improve your self so that your mindset becomes renewed about investment

Why did you say someone can not be wealthy with their skills? To me, it is still the same. If someone works hard and gets rich through investment, to me is still the same; someone can be wealthy through skills. We have seen many people who get rich with their skills. However, many people who are wealthy today started from having skills and experience; they used that to be wealthy today, so you can’t say skills will only make someone have money for spending.

In fact, I know someone who is a billionaire, and it is through his skills that he became that wealthy; till now, he’s still using those skills to be what he is today, so it’s a gradual process. You can’t be wealthy in a night, and you can use skills to be wealthy.

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May 16, 2025, 06:08:44 AM
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In my opinion, the majority of people who were successful today started from personal skill or self development, after which before they started investments.
Success is just an end but the partway to that end takes different route most of which doesn't directly follow the same conventional part that is well known to all. Some will invest and get successful at it, others will get a skill that will pay them well in the long run while some will just have to come from a certain environment that is blessed with resources that makes them rich even though they are not all that skilled or invested in an asset.

It's mostly those that are not privilege to have wealth being transferred to them and would generally have to work things out on their own that needs to be really meticulous with thier investment knowing that the investment is their most feasible way to the top. There will be wealth without investment but the best way of sustaining wealth is to invest in the right asset.

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In my opinion, investment is not only about money, but also about time. Money is not always going to give you a good return. Because if you develop a skill through time investment it will give you a good return in the future. If you think about those who are successful today. They did not invest first, they first developed their skills, then when they became experts in that subject, they decided to invest some money and start a startup. Why don't you look at Bill Gates, he was initially hunting bugs in various software. Now he is the founder of Microsoft and one of the richest people.

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In my country, this is the best way to become wealthy and that's through having successful investments, assets and businesses. But there are also other ways but they're illegal and also being a corrupt politician. The latter one don't require an investment at all but just become popular and famous, you'll get the seat in the public post and deal with the budgeting through their hands going to their pockets.

In my country, the political situation is very similar — maybe even worse, because corruption has been thriving, especially over the past three years of war. I’d say that in Ukraine, there’s basically no real culture of investing. During the 70 years we were part of the Soviet Union, the population had no involvement with investments at all, since the economy was centrally planned and people simply didn’t know what investing even meant.

There was no time, and no one to learn it from. The closest thing we’ve had to investing is buying real estate — and even then, people try to squeeze as much as possible out of it without putting anything back in or upgrading it. So when it comes to investing, Ukraine still has a long way to go. And of course, when politics make it possible to steal absurd amounts of money, who’s going to care about earning 15% a year from some legitimate investment?

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The fact is without an investment the probability of anyone becoming wealthy will be low because looking at the top richest people in the world they are all investors not people that has one skill or the other you can only improve your self so that your mindset becomes renewed about investment

You are right that the richest people in the world today are largely investors and they invest in a variety of assets. But if you take the time to learn about their lives, you will realize that many of them achieved the success they have today through their skills, hard work, and dedication. They have owned millions or billions of dollars by growing their businesses before becoming investors in stocks, real estate...Investing in these assets is only meant to amplify their wealth and help them achieve greater success.

That's why when talking about Elon's wealth, everyone associates it with the success of Tesla; or Bill Gates is associated with the reputation of Microsoft or Mark Zuckerberg is associated with Meta. They get rich by building businesses and growing them into trillion dollar companies.

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I wouldn't want to create a very lengthy topic to post as I don't see any reason for doing so..
So I was thinking something tonight that everyone or anyone who succeeded or becoming wealthy today do they really succeed through investments?

If yes, then how many people around you becoming wealthy through investments?

In my opinion, the majority of people who were successful today started from personal skill or self development, after which before they started investments.

What Is your thoughts over this?
I understand the school of thought, but note that no one would be successful in life without investing.

Investments are in categories, and for instance, if you are a businessman, you still invest in it, even as business and investing are different in some contexts. The same goes for the skills you mentioned, people invest in their skills to make it work.

Perhaps you should separate the general context of investment from the monetary investment. Even at that, those who invest in their skills mostly pay money for it, or find investors. So nothing works financially without an investment in it (directly or indirectly).

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