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[MaNI]

If I have account "Dave Test" which has addresses (with the following unspent outputs on addresses):

PKNZQntZRCHVX7EGDSehmwpoqGVamv1tVU:  10 PND
PUQQV85fASNmcvf5oYakR3sQ7WatJTxVX3  5 PND
PCJbhhMmRPs8J2qkLvho5BSBKr8vbGQVZ1  7 PND
PNCPM5VGNNYVf5djpz2LSMDKkm9iTxo6Sd" 20 PND

How exactly would I be able to do a "sendmany" for 25 PND and 2PND in pandacoind 3.0.1

pandacoind sendmany 'Dave Test' '{"PKkrcH8dfiNAxwKsM9TJfLeDYcjjRNRs2e":25, "PPigntNQ8gLunU9ucLzYB9iysDy6mgMRiR":2}'

Does not work because "Dave Test" (name of the account is not an "isValid" address)

1) getaccountaddress "Dave Test"
2) sendmany '<return value from above>' '{"PKkrcH8dfiNAxwKsM9TJfLeDYcjjRNRs2e":25, "PPigntNQ8gLunU9ucLzYB9iysDy6mgMRiR":2}

[dave111223]

If I have account "Dave Test" which has addresses (with the following unspent outputs on addresses):

PKNZQntZRCHVX7EGDSehmwpoqGVamv1tVU:  10 PND
PUQQV85fASNmcvf5oYakR3sQ7WatJTxVX3  5 PND
PCJbhhMmRPs8J2qkLvho5BSBKr8vbGQVZ1  7 PND
PNCPM5VGNNYVf5djpz2LSMDKkm9iTxo6Sd" 20 PND

How exactly would I be able to do a "sendmany" for 25 PND and 2PND in pandacoind 3.0.1

pandacoind sendmany 'Dave Test' '{"PKkrcH8dfiNAxwKsM9TJfLeDYcjjRNRs2e":25, "PPigntNQ8gLunU9ucLzYB9iysDy6mgMRiR":2}'

Does not work because "Dave Test" (name of the account is not an "isValid" address)

1) getaccountaddress "Dave Test"
2) sendmany '<return value from above>' '{"PKkrcH8dfiNAxwKsM9TJfLeDYcjjRNRs2e":25, "PPigntNQ8gLunU9ucLzYB9iysDy6mgMRiR":2}

<return value from above> would be a JSON formatted array of addresses.

[MaNI]

Perhaps you mean wallets by the way, wallets can have many accounts, accounts can have many addresses, only 1 address per account is not a change address though thee rest are. (Or if you want to get technical actually change addresses are shared between accounts, so actually each account also only has 1 address but stores many of its coins in shared change addresses)

Accounts can have as many addresses as you want. 

Code:

pandacoind getnewaddress "my account"

The above command creates a new *account* named "my account" and returns the *address* of that account for you. 1 account 1 address.
Your wallet can have multiple accounts each with an address. If you want to be able to send from all accounts in a wallet at the same time using sendmany and not just 1 account then you currently can't do that.
If you want to send from all addresses associated with a single account, this can easily be done as described above.

<return value from above> would be a JSON formatted array of addresses.

erm, no. Have you actually tried this command? It *always* returns a single address...

[dave111223]

erm, no. Have you actually tried this command? It *always* returns a single address...

Here is sample output of getaddressesbyaccount:

Code:

[
    "PJ89jo4iJjJRsFGAjijaWuesWPY2bYXCVC",
    "PNS1wS8dYBAMWEXtRkttiCSRHjgSisFXXN",
    "PS3vhY4UYWTGNhdG66dBQfd349oGTX1CUw",
    "PUZcD51ea1AC1E5HRxqfvhQtqr3MG8eT5S",
    "PMHmy9rQ36qGGaHjSakaKLV24xe8rXFxub",
    "PBvEPgKvWt99MP1jcmksc4cNQdVFjynhui",
    "PRLsBwJTubyJq8e4C29QgF6hM7jngqZ9zP",
    "PJnpzvHDzppDVrpUYk1azNsJNM4rNnVDkj",
    "PHXHwdp1gGZoTcCQtobF8LvPpnxPo3MUnh",
    "PSuBv3Up5kJiUGwhNpm7QKvFXx6RpWjoCy",
    "PBQKcU1rqWsJqJ5JqfQpgGFofPJmdadHE3",
    "PPctdrBZdeLpXCnkXQEsPGboygETJzBBQU",
    "PLPTUKzcfDSpbxSP8zWhqbUv6zYbbBLH9K",
    "PEqHKdr4CCraBJRNt4WFGHcVon6wYCs9Hv",
    "PPigntNQ8gLunU9ucLzYB9iysDy6mgMRiR",
    "PFNnhsGjLkZ3icJrcW6AKpohL84Fo6m32H",
    "PETDhDSZS6fTpp2JLMfL3fs1M3hub5vbsp",
    "PNKWrN5s6n7KNGBvqJtWCTpRrxbtF6PsQX",
    "PEnaq9Y4gsqsdZnGQuuqR9duB4iJvaPsp8",
    "PCkyWrZH7YorftNKnsot8F8139WNbTJaar",
    "PDNcgSrMHDDhRY24J8xnVvahcAM2zXkyeq",
    "PM3iBJTZQSxGH4FxFozBYBQG1q2ahmLoKz",
    "PPQ1riZu9ccS1mxH81Zreye8zrwmWTYCeT",
    "PDVD9BZJvcfTcKAX4qEb1juAYnbTwvjNDX",
    "PL2NNqkS8zbNywcwU7XSvKofdqkz6Zp3fo",
    "PGSS5Qe2WwXuWrfZwxR9prPKiQ11k79P7R",
    "PALJf7gwMWkjZb5SUK7zgKHcgHwCpd1sAr",
    "PM8XDyzTqiayep3SVyBLWvkocXe1VgV3gW",
    "PKNZQntZRCHVX7EGDSehmwpoqGVamv1tVU",
    "PUQQV85fASNmcvf5oYakR3sQ7WatJTxVX3",
    "PCJbhhMmRPs8J2qkLvho5BSBKr8vbGQVZ1",
    "PNCPM5VGNNYVf5djpz2LSMDKkm9iTxo6Sd",
    "PTqtYQF3GJ3kzvrizRPRTWpxHGcqkox3Zx",
    "PWJYZQhbpQ51LyJT7MuwD2tvPR5NYUT2vK"
]

[dave111223]

Accounts can have as many addresses as you want. 

Code:

pandacoind getnewaddress "my account"

The above command creates a new *account* named "my account" and returns the *address* of that account for you. 1 account 1 address.
Your wallet can have multiple accounts each with an address. If you want to be able to send from all accounts in a wallet at the same time using sendmany and not just 1 account then you currently can't do that.
If you want to send from all addresses associated with a single account, this can easily be done as described above.

Not if you run it multiple times, then you get multiple new addresses tied to the same account.

[MaNI]

erm, no. Have you actually tried this command? It *always* returns a single address...

Here is sample output of getaddressesbyaccount:

Code:

[
    "PJ89jo4iJjJRsFGAjijaWuesWPY2bYXCVC",
    "PNS1wS8dYBAMWEXtRkttiCSRHjgSisFXXN",
    "PS3vhY4UYWTGNhdG66dBQfd349oGTX1CUw",
    "PUZcD51ea1AC1E5HRxqfvhQtqr3MG8eT5S",
    "PMHmy9rQ36qGGaHjSakaKLV24xe8rXFxub",
    "PBvEPgKvWt99MP1jcmksc4cNQdVFjynhui",
    "PRLsBwJTubyJq8e4C29QgF6hM7jngqZ9zP",
    "PJnpzvHDzppDVrpUYk1azNsJNM4rNnVDkj",
    "PHXHwdp1gGZoTcCQtobF8LvPpnxPo3MUnh",
    "PSuBv3Up5kJiUGwhNpm7QKvFXx6RpWjoCy",
    "PBQKcU1rqWsJqJ5JqfQpgGFofPJmdadHE3",
    "PPctdrBZdeLpXCnkXQEsPGboygETJzBBQU",
    "PLPTUKzcfDSpbxSP8zWhqbUv6zYbbBLH9K",
    "PEqHKdr4CCraBJRNt4WFGHcVon6wYCs9Hv",
    "PPigntNQ8gLunU9ucLzYB9iysDy6mgMRiR",
    "PFNnhsGjLkZ3icJrcW6AKpohL84Fo6m32H",
    "PETDhDSZS6fTpp2JLMfL3fs1M3hub5vbsp",
    "PNKWrN5s6n7KNGBvqJtWCTpRrxbtF6PsQX",
    "PEnaq9Y4gsqsdZnGQuuqR9duB4iJvaPsp8",
    "PCkyWrZH7YorftNKnsot8F8139WNbTJaar",
    "PDNcgSrMHDDhRY24J8xnVvahcAM2zXkyeq",
    "PM3iBJTZQSxGH4FxFozBYBQG1q2ahmLoKz",
    "PPQ1riZu9ccS1mxH81Zreye8zrwmWTYCeT",
    "PDVD9BZJvcfTcKAX4qEb1juAYnbTwvjNDX",
    "PL2NNqkS8zbNywcwU7XSvKofdqkz6Zp3fo",
    "PGSS5Qe2WwXuWrfZwxR9prPKiQ11k79P7R",
    "PALJf7gwMWkjZb5SUK7zgKHcgHwCpd1sAr",
    "PM8XDyzTqiayep3SVyBLWvkocXe1VgV3gW",
    "PKNZQntZRCHVX7EGDSehmwpoqGVamv1tVU",
    "PUQQV85fASNmcvf5oYakR3sQ7WatJTxVX3",
    "PCJbhhMmRPs8J2qkLvho5BSBKr8vbGQVZ1",
    "PNCPM5VGNNYVf5djpz2LSMDKkm9iTxo6Sd",
    "PTqtYQF3GJ3kzvrizRPRTWpxHGcqkox3Zx",
    "PWJYZQhbpQ51LyJT7MuwD2tvPR5NYUT2vK"
]

Yes, but I said to use "getaccountaddress" not "getaddressesbyaccount".

[ozzke]

As stated before you can sendmany with the main account and all the coins inside the change addresses will also be included.

Clearly you are unfamiliar with the protocol so I will wait until devs respond.

Accounts and addresses are certainly not the same thing, accounts can have many addresses (which are not change addresses)

First of all MaNI is completely right.
If you check the GUI of Pandabank you will see that addresses (which we renamed to accounts) are individually selectable and visible.
So when you're talking about an account, we're talking about the wallet.dat. When you talk about an address, we talk about an account.
We've changed the entire internal structure to make it more userfriendly. If you just sendmany then it can take coins from any address which would be bad if you have a nice structure set up.
That being said though: for exchanges who don't care about userfriendlyness or internal accounting you do have a point and we will see how we can facilitate that in the next patch

[ozzke]

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Patch 3.0.1 Patch Released - Mandatory Upgrade from PandaBank v3.0.0 to v3.0.1 Patch Notes

- Fixed an issue for hybrid mode – that was causing invalid stakes for some users. *The nature of this patch is mandatory if you are currently running v3.0.0, to prevent this issue from occurring again*
– Made toolbar menu icons visible on OSX systems.
– Fixed an issue that was leading to small font sizes on some OSX systems.
– Initial translation of UI into zh_CN (Simplified Chinese).
– New command line option -qm that can be used to give an absolute path to a .qm localistation file (generator by qt-linguist) – this is useful for UI translators who want to test their translations.
- Speed improvement for ‘verify’ phase of hybrid syncing.
– Improve some text/messages within UI and ensure text/messages that could not be localist can now be localised, to allow for full localisation by translators.
– Allow translators to select the UI fonts they want used as each language should ideally have its own fonts rather than blindly using the same fonts.
– Fixed a UI issue with transaction grid ‘summary header’ whereby some of the balances would, in some instances, no longer be visible if shrinking a maximized window.
– Replace pandachain.net with pnd.showed.us as blockchain explorer.
– Fixed an issue in ‘transfer pane’ where holding down the mouse over ‘add another button’ would incorrectly perform the action multiple times.
– Fixed some usability issues in transfer pane UI, inform user if trying to make a payment with no from address selected, better error message if balance is short due to staking and other minor changes.

http://pandacoinpnd.org/mandatory-upgrade-from-pandabank-v3-0-0-to-v3-0-1-patch-notes/

[dave111223]

As stated before you can sendmany with the main account and all the coins inside the change addresses will also be included.

Clearly you are unfamiliar with the protocol so I will wait until devs respond.

Accounts and addresses are certainly not the same thing, accounts can have many addresses (which are not change addresses)

First of all MaNI is completely right.
If you check the GUI of Pandabank you will see that addresses (which we renamed to accounts) are individually selectable and visible.
So when you're talking about an account, we're talking about the wallet.dat. When you talk about an address, we talk about an account.
We've changed the entire internal structure to make it more userfriendly. If you just sendmany then it can take coins from any address which would be bad if you have a nice structure set up.
That being said though: for exchanges who don't care about userfriendlyness or internal accounting you do have a point and we will see how we can facilitate that in the next patch

As previously stated in my OP, i have using pandacoind, no GUI.

[MaNI]

Accounts can have as many addresses as you want. 

Code:

pandacoind getnewaddress "my account"

The above command creates a new *account* named "my account" and returns the *address* of that account for you. 1 account 1 address.
Your wallet can have multiple accounts each with an address. If you want to be able to send from all accounts in a wallet at the same time using sendmany and not just 1 account then you currently can't do that.
If you want to send from all addresses associated with a single account, this can easily be done as described above.

Not if you run it multiple times, then you get multiple new addresses tied to the same account.

No you will get multiple new accounts in your wallet (each with its own address).
Anyway it seems you have your terminology confused and what you actually want to do is send from all accounts at once using sendmany, 3.0.0 can't currently do this (though it can send from all addresses that are associated to a single account) so you will need to use version 2 in this case, hopefully the devs will add an option for this in the next release.

Anyway I don't want to spam the forums more with this - if you want to discuss more please come onto IRC to chat, however for now version 2 is probably going to be easier for you.

[ozzke]

As stated before you can sendmany with the main account and all the coins inside the change addresses will also be included.

Clearly you are unfamiliar with the protocol so I will wait until devs respond.

Accounts and addresses are certainly not the same thing, accounts can have many addresses (which are not change addresses)

First of all MaNI is completely right.
If you check the GUI of Pandabank you will see that addresses (which we renamed to accounts) are individually selectable and visible.
So when you're talking about an account, we're talking about the wallet.dat. When you talk about an address, we talk about an account.
We've changed the entire internal structure to make it more userfriendly. If you just sendmany then it can take coins from any address which would be bad if you have a nice structure set up.
That being said though: for exchanges who don't care about userfriendlyness or internal accounting you do have a point and we will see how we can facilitate that in the next patch

As previously stated in my OP, i have using pandacoind, no GUI.

Yes I know and that's where the confusion comes in. For now use 2.1.2 since that will work better for you and we will look into reintroducing the feature so it would be more handy for exchanges.

[dave111223]

Yes, but I said to use "getaccountaddress" not "getaddressesbyaccount".

Yes this appears to return a single address, which may or may not actually have any unspent outputs?

So you can "sendfrom" an address which does not actually have a balance; and is actually just used as a reference to lookup the account?  This seems very bizarre.

For example my account address has never received a transaction:
http://pnd.showed.us/address/PBPhbW5VEbzrNkhDzHUNPTrB4L1VAWrdZr

Yet this is used as my "send from address"?

[jacktheking]

Downloaded PandaCoin Wallet to my Android.. Is there any faucet or giveaway I could join?

[cadexn]

Downloaded PandaCoin Wallet to my Android.. Is there any faucet or giveaway I could join?

check out the very first post

[Tomski]

Downloaded PandaCoin Wallet to my Android.. Is there any faucet or giveaway I could join?

http://www.multifaucet.tk/index.php?faucet=PND

http://pandacoin.altcoinfaucet.net/

and check http://www.reddit.com/r/PandacoinPND/ for some giveaways.

[minairia3]

Some responses re @manelecrypto:

1.) See this thread https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=846866.0.  There's something authentic about it with the pictures of the books, etc.  Of course the usual Bitcointalk screamers show-up nervous "lowly" Panda stole a march on them.  And there are a few opportunists trying to use the thread to pump Panda.  I'm not innocent of the latter and have a few posts of that nature.  Bitcointalk is a BS fest especially in the root altcoin directory.  Why shouldn't Panda have a few pro-Panda types in there along with the Monero cultists?

2.) We can't completely dismiss the idea that it might really be her. As guys (which I assume 99% of us are on here) we naturally assume that girls, especially cutesy acting ones, aren't that smart and are especially not that smart concerning geeky stuff like altcoins.   We all know intellectually that that is crap.  I did some Google translate work on this "Denisa" and found out she graduated from Law School.  Singing gives her more money, the chance to travel and the chance to not be stuck in a cubicle. There is definitely more here than meets the eye.  And why not have a happy spokesperson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTWKgt-da3g?
 

[center/center]

3.) To Americans she doesn't seem A-list.  Well, I've looked at way too many Romanian music videos: the "look" the public their wants in their entertainers is a kind of early 1970s low end Vegas act kind of thing with big hair, heels too high, guys with pompadours, etc.  It is a different market.  That said, Denisa is all over their TV.  She is the equivalent of a "safe" white girl who sings rap, I think.  Her music style, called "Manele" is gypsy music and Romanians love gypsy music but hate actual gypsies. Some of her music is trying to escape the 80s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NndF2reheFg.  Some is just really different but brain catching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVQ_ONPF8cw.  With a little Hollywoodification she could do well in the States.

4.) If the whole thing is some kind of pump attempt it has failed spectacularly.  We're down to 5 sats.  I know the Panda philosophy is not care about "the price" but at some point the devs have to take action.  Trying to hire on a top level celebrity as spokesperson in a poor but Bitcoin loving country seems a good idea.  I was on her Facebook page and saw Denisa was really happy to have gotten a Volkswagon () and an iPhone 6 as gifts.  We wouldn't have to offer Madonna money to get her people's attention.

5.) As I said, if was official with a budget and a mandate in some kind of paper signed agreement I'd work on reaching out to her.  It would have to be something formal.  In that part of the world the casual way altcoin business and agreements are handled won't work.

Did anything ever happen with that Twitter girl @manelecrypto who said she was using Pandacoin in Romania to pay for taxis? That's a really interesting story that could be true.  Crypto-enthusiasts aren't all fat sweaty guys with erratic facial hair  ... Even if the Twitter account is fake she is definitely a real person and here's my idea:

In a country like Romania for $4 or $5000 US you can hire a major celebrity to be your spokesperson.  They'll come on TV, mention the product at concerts, interviews just everywhere.  They could be contracted to take videos of taxi drivers legitimately taking Panda, bartenders taking it, etc.  $5000 is around P230,000,000.  Not a little but not that much either for that kind of thing.  We'd have to pay in dollars or Euros.

Hiring her there would be like hiring Beyonnce over here. There's 20 million people in Romania.  Get a good number of them into Panda it will get into real news like CNN and wind up on the news over here.  This is publicity it would be impossible to buy stateside. Other than Bitcoin, cryptocurrencies haven't gotten into the mainsteam at all except for Dogecoin and maybe Panda if the taxi stuff is legit.

I wouldn't try to contact her through the Twitter account in-case it is just some lovelorn fan or a random lunatic.  Also, everything entertainers do has to go through their agent so even if it is her we wouldn't get far. I'd find her agent and do a legal deal.  The girl's name is slipping off my tongue I don't have to time to go through Twitter.

Anyway, I'd be willing to lead the charge on this if there was a guaranteed budget.  I wouldn't actually hold any money or take any money from Panda.  Rather if it worked out and a deal was struck then Panda would release the funds to her directly.  

What's my end? Well, I'm a big Panda holder and something like this might make the price skyrocket when people dump out of scammy crap into something legitimate.

I really like your idea, so let's go with $4 instead of $5000.

I really don't think it's actually her behind that twitter account, but it seems like someone with some know how of recent crypto happenings, and someone who knows what PND is about. Also, have you looked into her youtube videos? Doesn't seem like an A-list celeb to me, but oh well, what do I know. Good idea, good thinking anyway.

I do like your idea. No, it is more accurate to say that I love it.

[minairia3]

Further update re @manelecrypto ("Denisa Raducu")

I just became Facebook friends with Denisa's manager via certain connections I have through some mutual friends in Bulgaria.  If Panda comes up with a good deal he might listen to the offer. Or not.  Good chance not but one has to try. Romanians are very allergic to anything that smells remotely like bullshit so real money (in dollars or Euros, not PND) has to be formally offered. Twitter is not to be mentioned. At that point negotiations begin. Do you guys have lawyers?  I won't burn my (very tenuous) connection with anything nebulous, vague or altcoinish.  I'm really into Panda but have holdings with other alts that might interested ... My profit comes if something like this works and the price of Pandacoin hits what Dogecoin was last year.  I don't want any payment from Panda but I would want an inside track re future developments so I can prepare my trades ...


 

Some responses re @manelecrypto:

1.) See this thread https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=846866.0.  There's something authentic about it with the pictures of the books, etc.  Of course the usual Bitcointalk screamers show-up nervous "lowly" Panda stole a march on them.  And there are a few opportunists trying to use the thread to pump Panda.  I'm not innocent of the latter and have a few posts of that nature.  Bitcointalk is a BS fest especially in the root altcoin directory.  Why shouldn't Panda have a few pro-Panda types in there along with the Monero cultists?

2.) We can't completely dismiss the idea that it might really be her. As guys (which I assume 99% of us are on here) we naturally assume that girls, especially cutesy acting ones, aren't that smart and are especially not that smart concerning geeky stuff like altcoins.   We all know intellectually that that is crap.  I did some Google translate work on this "Denisa" and found out she graduated from Law School.  Singing gives her more money, the chance to travel and the chance to not be stuck in a cubicle. There is definitely more here than meets the eye.  And why not have a happy spokesperson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTWKgt-da3g?
 

[center/center]

3.) To Americans she doesn't seem A-list.  Well, I've looked at way too many Romanian music videos: the "look" the public their wants in their entertainers is a kind of early 1970s low end Vegas act kind of thing with big hair, heels too high, guys with pompadours, etc.  It is a different market.  That said, Denisa is all over their TV.  She is the equivalent of a "safe" white girl who sings rap, I think.  Her music style, called "Manele" is gypsy music and Romanians love gypsy music but hate actual gypsies. Some of her music is trying to escape the 80s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NndF2reheFg.  Some is just really different but brain catching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVQ_ONPF8cw.  With a little Hollywoodification she could do well in the States.

4.) If the whole thing is some kind of pump attempt it has failed spectacularly.  We're down to 5 sats.  I know the Panda philosophy is not care about "the price" but at some point the devs have to take action.  Trying to hire on a top level celebrity as spokesperson in a poor but Bitcoin loving country seems a good idea.  I was on her Facebook page and saw Denisa was really happy to have gotten a Volkswagon () and an iPhone 6 as gifts.  We wouldn't have to offer Madonna money to get her people's attention.

5.) As I said, if was official with a budget and a mandate in some kind of paper signed agreement I'd work on reaching out to her.  It would have to be something formal.  In that part of the world the casual way altcoin business and agreements are handled won't work.

Did anything ever happen with that Twitter girl @manelecrypto who said she was using Pandacoin in Romania to pay for taxis? That's a really interesting story that could be true.  Crypto-enthusiasts aren't all fat sweaty guys with erratic facial hair  ... Even if the Twitter account is fake she is definitely a real person and here's my idea:

In a country like Romania for $4 or $5000 US you can hire a major celebrity to be your spokesperson.  They'll come on TV, mention the product at concerts, interviews just everywhere.  They could be contracted to take videos of taxi drivers legitimately taking Panda, bartenders taking it, etc.  $5000 is around P230,000,000.  Not a little but not that much either for that kind of thing.  We'd have to pay in dollars or Euros.

Hiring her there would be like hiring Beyonnce over here. There's 20 million people in Romania.  Get a good number of them into Panda it will get into real news like CNN and wind up on the news over here.  This is publicity it would be impossible to buy stateside. Other than Bitcoin, cryptocurrencies haven't gotten into the mainsteam at all except for Dogecoin and maybe Panda if the taxi stuff is legit.

I wouldn't try to contact her through the Twitter account in-case it is just some lovelorn fan or a random lunatic.  Also, everything entertainers do has to go through their agent so even if it is her we wouldn't get far. I'd find her agent and do a legal deal.  The girl's name is slipping off my tongue I don't have to time to go through Twitter.

Anyway, I'd be willing to lead the charge on this if there was a guaranteed budget.  I wouldn't actually hold any money or take any money from Panda.  Rather if it worked out and a deal was struck then Panda would release the funds to her directly.  

What's my end? Well, I'm a big Panda holder and something like this might make the price skyrocket when people dump out of scammy crap into something legitimate.

I really like your idea, so let's go with $4 instead of $5000.

I really don't think it's actually her behind that twitter account, but it seems like someone with some know how of recent crypto happenings, and someone who knows what PND is about. Also, have you looked into her youtube videos? Doesn't seem like an A-list celeb to me, but oh well, what do I know. Good idea, good thinking anyway.

I do like your idea. No, it is more accurate to say that I love it.

[Pelgoran98]

Further update re @manelecrypto ("Denisa Raducu")

I just became Facebook friends with Denisa's manager via certain connections I have through some mutual friends in Bulgaria.  If Panda comes up with a good deal he might listen to the offer. Or not.  Good chance not but one has to try. Romanians are very allergic to anything that smells remotely like bullshit so real money (in dollars or Euros, not PND) has to be formally offered. Twitter is not to be mentioned. At that point negotiations begin. Do you guys have lawyers?  I won't burn my (very tenuous) connection with anything nebulous, vague or altcoinish.  I'm really into Panda but have holdings with other alts that might interested ... My profit comes if something like this works and the price of Pandacoin hits what Dogecoin was last year.  I don't want any payment from Panda but I would want an inside track re future developments so I can prepare my trades ...


 

Some responses re @manelecrypto:

1.) See this thread https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=846866.0.  There's something authentic about it with the pictures of the books, etc.  Of course the usual Bitcointalk screamers show-up nervous "lowly" Panda stole a march on them.  And there are a few opportunists trying to use the thread to pump Panda.  I'm not innocent of the latter and have a few posts of that nature.  Bitcointalk is a BS fest especially in the root altcoin directory.  Why shouldn't Panda have a few pro-Panda types in there along with the Monero cultists?

2.) We can't completely dismiss the idea that it might really be her. As guys (which I assume 99% of us are on here) we naturally assume that girls, especially cutesy acting ones, aren't that smart and are especially not that smart concerning geeky stuff like altcoins.   We all know intellectually that that is crap.  I did some Google translate work on this "Denisa" and found out she graduated from Law School.  Singing gives her more money, the chance to travel and the chance to not be stuck in a cubicle. There is definitely more here than meets the eye.  And why not have a happy spokesperson: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTWKgt-da3g?
 

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3.) To Americans she doesn't seem A-list.  Well, I've looked at way too many Romanian music videos: the "look" the public their wants in their entertainers is a kind of early 1970s low end Vegas act kind of thing with big hair, heels too high, guys with pompadours, etc.  It is a different market.  That said, Denisa is all over their TV.  She is the equivalent of a "safe" white girl who sings rap, I think.  Her music style, called "Manele" is gypsy music and Romanians love gypsy music but hate actual gypsies. Some of her music is trying to escape the 80s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NndF2reheFg.  Some is just really different but brain catching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVQ_ONPF8cw.  With a little Hollywoodification she could do well in the States.

4.) If the whole thing is some kind of pump attempt it has failed spectacularly.  We're down to 5 sats.  I know the Panda philosophy is not care about "the price" but at some point the devs have to take action.  Trying to hire on a top level celebrity as spokesperson in a poor but Bitcoin loving country seems a good idea.  I was on her Facebook page and saw Denisa was really happy to have gotten a Volkswagon () and an iPhone 6 as gifts.  We wouldn't have to offer Madonna money to get her people's attention.

5.) As I said, if was official with a budget and a mandate in some kind of paper signed agreement I'd work on reaching out to her.  It would have to be something formal.  In that part of the world the casual way altcoin business and agreements are handled won't work.

Did anything ever happen with that Twitter girl @manelecrypto who said she was using Pandacoin in Romania to pay for taxis? That's a really interesting story that could be true.  Crypto-enthusiasts aren't all fat sweaty guys with erratic facial hair  ... Even if the Twitter account is fake she is definitely a real person and here's my idea:

In a country like Romania for $4 or $5000 US you can hire a major celebrity to be your spokesperson.  They'll come on TV, mention the product at concerts, interviews just everywhere.  They could be contracted to take videos of taxi drivers legitimately taking Panda, bartenders taking it, etc.  $5000 is around P230,000,000.  Not a little but not that much either for that kind of thing.  We'd have to pay in dollars or Euros.

Hiring her there would be like hiring Beyonnce over here. There's 20 million people in Romania.  Get a good number of them into Panda it will get into real news like CNN and wind up on the news over here.  This is publicity it would be impossible to buy stateside. Other than Bitcoin, cryptocurrencies haven't gotten into the mainsteam at all except for Dogecoin and maybe Panda if the taxi stuff is legit.

I wouldn't try to contact her through the Twitter account in-case it is just some lovelorn fan or a random lunatic.  Also, everything entertainers do has to go through their agent so even if it is her we wouldn't get far. I'd find her agent and do a legal deal.  The girl's name is slipping off my tongue I don't have to time to go through Twitter.

Anyway, I'd be willing to lead the charge on this if there was a guaranteed budget.  I wouldn't actually hold any money or take any money from Panda.  Rather if it worked out and a deal was struck then Panda would release the funds to her directly.  

What's my end? Well, I'm a big Panda holder and something like this might make the price skyrocket when people dump out of scammy crap into something legitimate.

I really like your idea, so let's go with $4 instead of $5000.

I really don't think it's actually her behind that twitter account, but it seems like someone with some know how of recent crypto happenings, and someone who knows what PND is about. Also, have you looked into her youtube videos? Doesn't seem like an A-list celeb to me, but oh well, what do I know. Good idea, good thinking anyway.

I do like your idea. No, it is more accurate to say that I love it.

Sounds like you are pushing too hard, in my humble opinion. We may not need any of this. When we are available at 100,000 retailers and merchants, I scarcely think it will matter. And, you know "The TEAM" already has beaucoup promotional plans in place like they always do.

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Minairia3:

It sounds like you are trying to scam the Pandacoin community out of money and information.

There is absolutely no proof that you are affiliated with this supposed celebrity, nor is there any proof that you have the ability to accept money on her behalf even if you were.

If you want the Pandacoin community to even begin considering any such "partnerships", there needs to be 100% irrefutable proof that the celebrity in question is actually interested, there has to be a contract drawn up, and agreements made in an official capacity. Even then, we would question the value of such an arrangement.

I suggest you stop pushing this "offer" and go back to making twitter posts and BCT posts on other threads as you have been doing.

[Pelgoran98]

Minairia3:

It sounds like you are trying to scam the Pandacoin community out of money and information.

There is absolutely no proof that you are affiliated with this supposed celebrity, nor is there any proof that you have the ability to accept money on her behalf even if you were.

If you want the Pandacoin community to even begin considering any such "partnerships", there needs to be 100% irrefutable proof that the celebrity in question is actually interested, there has to be a contract drawn up, and agreements made in an official capacity. Even then, we would question the value of such an arrangement.

I suggest you stop pushing this "offer" and go back to making twitter posts and BCT posts on other threads as you have been doing.

I gotta agree with you on this, LMP. I originally thought it was a wonderful idea, but then it kinda' all went south. Like we were being set up for the kill, or some weirdness like that.