NEM (XEM) Official Thread - 100% New Code - Easy To Use APIs

[jabo38]

I've seriously been laughing out loud at some of the nonesense people have written in this thread.

I truly admire your patience...  it's starting to get pretty annoying that the sole purpose of reading posts in this thread (lately) is to decipher whether to add the poster to your Ignore List or not...   

That's the easy part 
I operate under the assumption that my ignorelist can't be too big. I always recheck some posts from the person from time to time and if the annoyance has stoped I unignore. Frankly that's why I saw this post of yours

Smaragda and Pat becoming friends??  Man, NEM really can help the world live in peace. hahahaha

[absolum]

OK,
you can ignore us.
But what about the newbie, that need information regarding NEM ??
They will read our posts.

Btw,Patmas3r, you are just letting me down. I thought you were a different person, when I was talking with you regarding Sockpuppets redemption, few months ago. Now, simply, you are washing your hands.
I don't understand what happened honestly.

WHY YOU DON'T EXPLAIN TO US WHAT HAPPENED? SINCE, FROM BEING THE PERSON TO BE CONTACTED FOR SOCKPUPPETS COMPLAINS (JUST FEW WEEKS AGO) NOW, YOU ARE NOT INVOLVED IN ANYTHING ANYMORE... WHY ? WHO KICKED YOU OUT ?
WHAT HAPPENED ? IS IT BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE WANTED 100% CONTROL OF SOCKS STAKES ?
would be great if you could explain that.

I'm one of the 4 fellows involved in this bloody Suckpuppet scandal.
I've been asked from Dannac to post my disappointing here, as someone didn't believe we were 4 fellows but was just him pretending to be different entities to steal more NEM.
Never posted here after the NEM redemption. I don't care actually. I'm not  interested in getting involved in any kind of discussions.
We were getting updated from Dannac during the Retention process, so no need to post here. Especially if you don't have anything to say. Am I wrong ?!?
We've been told that NEM could be a good thing in the future. We believe it. But be haven't been given any chance because of this story of the socks puppet.
I'm posting here just because I've been asked, be clear.
Don't know if it's gonna work or not. But I 'm doing it anyway.
Thank you very much indeed to the guy that stolen my legitimate stake.
I'm not blaming Dannac...I know is fighting for us.
But you guys... with your sentences... I mean... I don't really get it. 
How old are you ?
Do you really think someone would build up a story just for 2 bloody shitty stakes ??!?!?
Why not doing that for 40 or 400 stakes..??  no, just 2 stakes....
Does it really worth ?!?! Think before opening your mouth.
Reading you posts (just few of them) helping me to understand that I don't really want to be part of a community like this.
Not talking about all of you, but just about the Smart asses that are ready to point their fingers against everyone, just to cover their bleeding asses.
Thanks for chance that has not been given.

[dannac]

I don't think they'll get their stakes. I just said that I agree that stuff didn't go as it should have. It's not up to me to give out any stakes.
I do want to point out that there is a good reason why this stuff suffered - Makoto was absurdly busy with important stuff (VC funding didn't come out of the blue). I understand the anger but I don't blame makoto for prioritzing.

I just wanted to state my opinion. I can't help so I'll shut up now.

Nobody will get anymore stakes.  Distribution is over.  It is time to move on to the next step.

If this is the attitude, then don't complain of you thread gets dirtier every day more.

Can you also tell us which multisig address holding all the Socks Stakes confiscated ?
Jut to have a look what's going on.. Not because we don't trust yous... 

[dannac]

OK,
you can ignore us.
But what about the newbie, that need information regarding NEM ??
They will read our posts.

Btw,Patmas3r, you are just letting me down. I thought you were a different person, when I was talking with you regarding Sockpuppets redemption, few months ago. Now, simply, you are washing your hands.
I don't understand what happened honestly.

WHY YOU DON'T EXPLAIN TO US WHAT HAPPENED? SINCE, FROM BEING THE PERSON TO BE CONTACTED FOR SOCKPUPPETS COMPLAINS (JUST FEW WEEKS AGO) NOW, YOU ARE NOT INVOLVED IN ANYTHING ANYMORE... WHY ? WHO KICKED YOU OUT ?
WHAT HAPPENED ? IS IT BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE WANTED 100% CONTROL OF SOCKS STAKES ?
would be great if you could explain that.

Okay, I'll answer this one.

Noone kicked me out. I said i don't want to be involved in that way anymore. So since launch I'm a normal supporter. I don't know more than anyone else and I don't have access to anything anymore that is not public. That's also why I can't help you. I tried to help by explaining some things an expressing my sympathies but I see that I've done more harm than good...not unsusual for me.

I appreciate your ability to reply, without being nasty 
Thanks for clarification.

[acdc]

I don't think they'll get their stakes. I just said that I agree that stuff didn't go as it should have. It's not up to me to give out any stakes.
I do want to point out that there is a good reason why this stuff suffered - Makoto was absurdly busy with important stuff (VC funding didn't come out of the blue). I understand the anger but I don't blame makoto for prioritzing.

I just wanted to state my opinion. I can't help so I'll shut up now.

Nobody will get anymore stakes.  Distribution is over.  It is time to move on to the next step.

If this is the attitude, then don't complain of you thread gets dirtier every day more.

Can you also tell us which multisig address holding all the Socks Stakes confiscated ?
Jut to have a look what's going on.. Not because we don't trust yous...  

@dannac, why aren't the other three people complaining? do you still share a house and PC? get them off couch and posting too, so we can see there are really four of you, not just one

[tyz]

About time too! NEM team has waste enough time clearing all the distribution and sockpuppets issues.

I don't think they'll get their stakes. I just said that I agree that stuff didn't go as it should have. It's not up to me to give out any stakes.
I do want to point out that there is a good reason why this stuff suffered - Makoto was absurdly busy with important stuff (VC funding didn't come out of the blue). I understand the anger but I don't blame makoto for prioritzing.

I just wanted to state my opinion. I can't help so I'll shut up now.

Nobody will get anymore stakes.  Distribution is over.  It is time to move on to the next step.

[Gizfreak]

[dannac]

I don't think they'll get their stakes. I just said that I agree that stuff didn't go as it should have. It's not up to me to give out any stakes.
I do want to point out that there is a good reason why this stuff suffered - Makoto was absurdly busy with important stuff (VC funding didn't come out of the blue). I understand the anger but I don't blame makoto for prioritzing.

I just wanted to state my opinion. I can't help so I'll shut up now.

Nobody will get anymore stakes.  Distribution is over.  It is time to move on to the next step.

If this is the attitude, then don't complain of you thread gets dirtier every day more.

Can you also tell us which multisig address holding all the Socks Stakes confiscated ?
Jut to have a look what's going on.. Not because we don't trust yous...  

@dannac, why aren't the other three people complaining? do you still share a house and PC? get them off couch and posting too, so we can see there are really four of you, not just one

One just posted right 3 messages before yours ..   ahahahah...
I can see you are reading posts very careful..   

[acdc]

I don't think they'll get their stakes. I just said that I agree that stuff didn't go as it should have. It's not up to me to give out any stakes.
I do want to point out that there is a good reason why this stuff suffered - Makoto was absurdly busy with important stuff (VC funding didn't come out of the blue). I understand the anger but I don't blame makoto for prioritzing.

I just wanted to state my opinion. I can't help so I'll shut up now.

Nobody will get anymore stakes.  Distribution is over.  It is time to move on to the next step.

If this is the attitude, then don't complain of you thread gets dirtier every day more.

Can you also tell us which multisig address holding all the Socks Stakes confiscated ?
Jut to have a look what's going on.. Not because we don't trust yous...  

@dannac, why aren't the other three people complaining? do you still share a house and PC? get them off couch and posting too, so we can see there are really four of you, not just one

One just posted right 3 messages before yours ..   ahahahah...
I can see you are reading posts very careful..   

ok, I can see it now, I'll read it and see if it sounds like you. yes, when someone hijacks a thread like you have I skim. I think you're entitled to do it, and if all four of you post and it's clear there are different 'voices' you might have a chance to sway opinion

[dannac]

I don't think they'll get their stakes. I just said that I agree that stuff didn't go as it should have. It's not up to me to give out any stakes.
I do want to point out that there is a good reason why this stuff suffered - Makoto was absurdly busy with important stuff (VC funding didn't come out of the blue). I understand the anger but I don't blame makoto for prioritzing.

I just wanted to state my opinion. I can't help so I'll shut up now.

Nobody will get anymore stakes.  Distribution is over.  It is time to move on to the next step.

If this is the attitude, then don't complain of you thread gets dirtier every day more.

Can you also tell us which multisig address holding all the Socks Stakes confiscated ?
Jut to have a look what's going on.. Not because we don't trust yous...  

@dannac, why aren't the other three people complaining? do you still share a house and PC? get them off couch and posting too, so we can see there are really four of you, not just one

One just posted right 3 messages before yours ..   ahahahah...
I can see you are reading posts very careful..    

ok, I can see it now, I'll read it and see if it sounds like you. yes, when someone hijacks a thread like you have I skim. I think you're entitled to do it, and if all four of you post and it's clear there are different 'voices' you might have a chance to sway opinion

Thanks for at least putting in account that i could be right  
I appreciate it very much
I still have to convince the other 2 to post here... not sure how easy it will be honestly..

[dani.dani]

Here we go
I’m one of Dannac’s housemate that didn’t received his stakes…
I m not here to criticise someone else actions, even if I should apparently.
I don’t know all the story behind this project, so I won’t go through any technical aspect.
Apart Dannac, nobody of us never ever posted here to ask any information. We are all greenhorns in Altcoin, so there’s no point for us to get involved in this kind of discussions. All we knew was that we had to wait for distribution. We went through all the redemption steps together. That’s all. We didn’t brake any rules.
What I can say now is: for same reason, we have not been given what is belong to us. And that’s truly unfair.
We were all behind Dannac following the NEM evolution with a lot expectations, and curiosity.
I consider really unnecessary , at this stage reminding you that we are 4 real persons …. blah blah bla….
Everyone should know the story. Do we really have to post of ID cards in here ??
From my understanding, one of the principle behind of Altcoin was Anonymity. Tell me if I’m wrong.
I don’t believe this short post will help that much, as people here doesn’t seem to be really 'open mind' when is time to admit faults and mistakes.
Consider this as a formal complain about the Sockpuppets process. Something went wrong, or someone simply took advantage of this situation to fill up his pockets, I don’t know.
But if you really are a community, then you should follow your instinct, and investigate more. This story smells really bad.
I don’t think it would take years to revise a couple of cases.
If you don’t want to do, that’s completely another story. And I’m happy to not being involved.

I don't think they'll get their stakes. I just said that I agree that stuff didn't go as it should have. It's not up to me to give out any stakes.
I do want to point out that there is a good reason why this stuff suffered - Makoto was absurdly busy with important stuff (VC funding didn't come out of the blue). I understand the anger but I don't blame makoto for prioritzing.

I just wanted to state my opinion. I can't help so I'll shut up now.

Nobody will get anymore stakes.  Distribution is over.  It is time to move on to the next step.

If this is the attitude, then don't complain of you thread gets dirtier every day more.

Can you also tell us which multisig address holding all the Socks Stakes confiscated ?
Jut to have a look what's going on.. Not because we don't trust yous...  

@dannac, why aren't the other three people complaining? do you still share a house and PC? get them off couch and posting too, so we can see there are really four of you, not just one

One just posted right 3 messages before yours ..   ahahahah...
I can see you are reading posts very careful..   

ok, I can see it now, I'll read it and see if it sounds like you. yes, when someone hijacks a thread like you have I skim. I think you're entitled to do it, and if all four of you post and it's clear there are different 'voices' you might have a chance to sway opinion

[dannac]

Mate, now I'm pretty sure some of the 'usuals'  will come saying: "you clearly sound the same person !!!!No doubt "
It's just a matter of time...  

FYI, the last member is not interested anymore, just said she (yes.. she) doesn't want to post for any reason. It's just useless. She's probably right.
Oh, she's pretty angry    better for all you guys not dealing with her

[samysamy1]

None of my business but those posts just proved to me that it is one and the same person. I dunno I might be wrong but they have indeed the same style of threats and similar grammatical error.

@Dannac can we see you and the other two come here online at the same time (showing green status in profile). You need to be using 3 computers though.

You might want to take a picture of your face holding your ID and your other housemates need to do the same + post proof of address (e.g. government letter with national insurance number).
 

[dannac]

Well, to be honest, I think one of them is still online...
At least that's what I can see looking @ the thread now. Don't know if you can see it. But I don't really care, frankly speaking...
Because I don't think that could prove anything... C'mon, is not hard to turn on 3 computers and ask them to login at the same time..
I'M telling this.. keep it in mind  
And anyway, I think I have enough.
I think I'm wasting my time with you guys.
I'll think about it, if what I'm doing really worth the effort.
Economically speaking, really it DOESN'T !!!!!

EDIT: 3 OF US ONLINE AT THE SAME TIME. happy now ??

[dannac]

None of my business but those posts just proved to me that it is one and the same person. I dunno I might be wrong but they have indeed the same style of threats and similar grammatical error.

@Dannac can we see you and the other two come here online at the same time (showing green status in profile). You need to be using 3 computers though.

You might want to take a picture of your face holding your ID and your other housemates need to do the same + post proof of address (e.g. government letter with national insurance number).
 

Yeah, and maybe you can come to our place twice a week for a free lunch.
And grab whatever you like in here and bring it at home for free.
And maybe we can sleep together  
Is there something else that you want me to do ? Pick up you kids at school.. Tiding up you house... Just ask me  

C'mon... I don't want to think you were serious for true. For any reason I don't want to do that.

You've been able to convince me to give up.
I don't want to be a Troll.
My purpose was just get what's belong to us.
But I failed I believe. With you guys everyone fail.

[jabo38]

The NEM devs are pretty awesome.

The Bitcoin devs and the Blockstream devs might have larger teams and some coders with more years than NEM devs, but they are very limited in the base code they are working with.   There will just always be only so much they can fork in. 

Multisig on Bitcoin being multi-user accounts 1.0, and NEM's multisig being multi-user acconts 2.0 is a great example.  Bitcoin finding some round about way to stick messages in the chain being messages 0.5, and then NEM just offering real messages in regular, encrypted, and hex format being 2.0. 

The NEM devs were smart enough to realize that it would be better to cut the losses on Bitcoin and other codes behind and just build a code from scratch that will fully support what a blockchain can do best. 

Ethereum kind of had a similar mindset as NEM I think, but went too far in trying to build their own language IMO.

[NorrisK]

About time too! NEM team has waste enough time clearing all the distribution and sockpuppets issues.

I don't think they'll get their stakes. I just said that I agree that stuff didn't go as it should have. It's not up to me to give out any stakes.
I do want to point out that there is a good reason why this stuff suffered - Makoto was absurdly busy with important stuff (VC funding didn't come out of the blue). I understand the anger but I don't blame makoto for prioritzing.

I just wanted to state my opinion. I can't help so I'll shut up now.

Nobody will get anymore stakes.  Distribution is over.  It is time to move on to the next step.

Indeed, finally good to know everything has been taken care off Now let the price rise continue!

[samysamy1]

None of my business but those posts just proved to me that it is one and the same person. I dunno I might be wrong but they have indeed the same style of threats and similar grammatical error.

@Dannac can we see you and the other two come here online at the same time (showing green status in profile). You need to be using 3 computers though.

You might want to take a picture of your face holding your ID and your other housemates need to do the same + post proof of address (e.g. government letter with national insurance number).

You've been able to convince me to give up.
I don't want to be a Troll.
My purpose was just get what's belong to us.
But I failed I believe. With you guys everyone fail.

How did I convince you? You were the one suggesting to provide ID.
By the way I thought two of your housemates received a stake already and now you're saying that none of you received a stake - two other accounts are posting saying that they didn't get anything + the last housemate is not interested anymore and is angry + you say that you didn't get anything either? HUH
Conclusion: As 1 person you received 2 stakes in total

[dannac]

None of my business but those posts just proved to me that it is one and the same person. I dunno I might be wrong but they have indeed the same style of threats and similar grammatical error.

@Dannac can we see you and the other two come here online at the same time (showing green status in profile). You need to be using 3 computers though.

You might want to take a picture of your face holding your ID and your other housemates need to do the same + post proof of address (e.g. government letter with national insurance number).

You've been able to convince me to give up.
I don't want to be a Troll.
My purpose was just get what's belong to us.
But I failed I believe. With you guys everyone fail.

How did I convince you? You were the one suggesting to provide ID.
By the way I thought two of your housemates received a stake already and now you're saying that none of you received a stake - two other accounts are posting saying that they didn't get anything + the last housemate is not interested anymore and is angry + you say that you didn't get anything either? HUH
Conclusion: As 1 person you received 2 stakes in total

Yeah, that's ok. You are probably right. You Won. We lost. Happy ?  
Thought was implicit since we've got only 50% of what we deserve...
I always told that we received 2 stakes, when they should be 4.
We didn't share the stakes between us yet. We are not gonna keep our NEM, they stink. Nobody is interested in them anymore.
And I don't want to discuss that anymore. I've posted for 6-7 pages already. I've asked the others to don't reply anymore.
It simply doesn't worth.
This story will go into the book of NEM History.
And on every Forum where I will find NEM mentioned.
Makoto, this is for you: Thanks a lot. I know what you've done.
I'm just waiting. It will come, no worries.

[Jamthirteen]

Hello all,

I have been trying to sort all this out with Makoto for 5 month now

we have to write here as Makoto is no paying attention to us and this is our last resource.

Just want to let you know, I'm JAMTHIRTEEN that made a sockpuppet redemption claim on nem forum. The claim is for my account and my girlfriend acccount (JAMTHIRTEEN NBXVHA-S2TOYM-H4GFFO-V3SGIN-SP6DLT-HERCMK-RBN3 and MAMEN NBKEYS-BJB74B-5M7Q4Z-Y6N5AZ-JPDUY7-5T7UHZ-VINH ). If you need anything else please ask.
 
The problem is that I work with other two colleagues that also have NEM Stakes and we did it all from our work place that's why you might think there is one person with 5 Stakes but we are 3 people. Same Ip address from work place.
 
To help you in the investigation my work colleagues BTT account are:
 
1 JERJU80 NC7IWM-24KC6K-BT7SH2-2VOESS-QNGCTA-CSDKZT-CK72
2 SANDRAMABE NC2V53-WKYFCC-MKETYL-M3IXHJ-VF3HJZ-B4IHTC-LQDZ
3 OSCARVENEGAS NC7545-ULAZAR-5CEWIU-R3H5R6-6Z6SGH-XP64NX-JNUY
 
Please let me know if they should send you a separate email, please advise as we don't want to confuse or complicate this unnecessarily

 We can provide any evidence you require to send  and we can send our passports, names and anything you need to clear this. we have took some photos working in the office with the client open in the PC, we can send this photos to you if you tell us how or any other photo you like us to take.


Then he offered us only one stake. One of his  post here he said t  ''Same IP + same fingerprint means the same computer. The rules were 2 stakes, which were meant to be 1 for you and 1 for a friend/loved one.'' If thats the case why he offered us only one stake? It should it be 2! Now we are genuine and we should have received 5 as we did it from our work place.  There was not rule you could not do it from work where other people can create accounts. You keep changing the rules all the time.

Now this is the last emal with Makoto:

Quote from: makoto1337 on June 29, 2015, 08:19:07 AM
We will give a stake back to sandramabe. Can you give me a NEM address to send to?

Thanks Smiley

Thank you but as I told you in my last email sandramabe is the stake of one of my job partner Jerju80...
i'm jamthirteen and my Nem address is NBXVHA-S2TOYM-H4GFFO-V3SGIN-SP6DLT-HERCMK-RBN3
I will pass your information to Jerju80 so that he can send you an email about his stake and wife's.
We all follow all the instructions from the begining of NEM to get the stake and we think it is not fair to receive just on for sandramabe...We would like you to think about it and change your mine. Please let me know if we could add any other information you need.

thanks in advance
Jamthirteen
hello there
did you read my last message?
update please

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Please can you tell me what happened?

Hello All,

Many people I am sure who is telling us to move on got their stakes and now don't care about the rest of innocent people who has been caught in this injustice. Makoto and after Management is not doing anything to investigate  either during , before or after the redemption process.

They are not interested as they need this what the called sockspuppets account  stakes to finance their project regardless if they are innocent or guilty. We need the MONEY!

You don't give us what belong to us but The Law Court will.  I will show in the future if my unreceived stakes is of high value of money to take it to the Law Court  to be able to make a case. I can not do it now for $300 a stake as is not enough money to make a case but I will when its $1.000.000 when I can make it a cause to bring it in front of the judge and the lawyers.

Below are the main points the Judge will take into consideration when studying our case and this in the Law Court will be a win win victory, Here we can not fight injustice as justice does not exist.

Please see below:

Makoto1337 page 1007

choochimil has a lot of posts now, but at the time of the sock analysis, the account only had 10 posts in over a year.

When we registered for our NEM stakes there was not rule that you need to have certain number of posts to be considered a sock ==> Judge will look into this ( Breaking the contract)

Makoto page 1007

Same IP + same fingerprint means the same computer. The rules were 2 stakes, which were meant to be 1 for you and 1 for a friend/loved one.

When we signed to get the stakes where did it say same IP address??? if the rules says 2 stakes why CECVW got 3? breaking your rule? We use same IP address for the reason explaining in  my previous post  but you breaking the rule again as we only received one stake, my work colleague stake( 1 JERJU80 NC7IWM-24KC6K-BT7SH2-2VOESS-QNGCTA-CSDKZT-CK72). But we are entitle to the 4 remaining stakes as when we signed to get the stakes the same IP rule did not exist , We are 3 work colleagues and we can prove we are as we got the NEM accounts using our works email address so that will show the Judge we are really 3 people.  So you break your latest rule by giving us only 1 and you break all kind of rules by adoption new rules whenever you like. Why don't you put rules on how many sockpuppets accounts management receive? This will be shown in the Law of court. Our accounts are with work email addresses.. so the same person? really how do I get access to my work colleagues emails address to get the private keys? Judge is not stupid

BloodyRookie page 1008

many non socks getting no stake which is again unfair for obvious reasons

So if you didn't get your stake although you deserved one I am sorry for that, we could not avoid some misjudgements during the cleaning process

The Judge will know you admit you did not give stakes to innocent people

Jabo38 page 1008

There was a tough and hard decision to make where a few would suffer

The Judge will know you admit you did not give stakes to innocent people

dannac page 1009

The rule at the beginning should say: 1 stake per 1 crew, or 1 stake per 1 house, or 1 stake per 1 office, or 1 stake per 1 unit, and keep going...
But no, the rule said: 1 stake per 1 person.... it didn't say "don't share any IP" not now and not in the future until distribution , for any reason, or you will be banned for ever.

The Judge will consider why you create news rules after  process has started, is it legal in the eyes of the law to do that? Example you buy a house with certain rules/ agreements but then 10 year later the seller decide to add new rules and the owner of the house lose the house because he is not complying to the new rules?


mill0601 page 1009

Redemptions are over people sorry you got caught please gove it a rest.

and Dannac answered with common sense

We have not been caught, because we haven't done anything against rules.
Is it that hard for you to understand that someone else that is not you could be right, and that you could be wrong sometimes ?
We can prove that we are telling the truth, but Makoto doesn't want to listen... it doesn't give us a chance.
It's clear that they are more interested in keeping our stakes for them.)

patmast3r  page 1009

I totally agree that the latest round of sock removals was handeled pretty terribly.

The Judge will know you admit you did not give stakes to innocent people

fondobinario page 1010

If they are the legitimate  owners of these stakes they should be given to them. Also, Makoto said in http://cointelegraph.com/news/114932/nem-right-now-we-have-the-best-designed-blockchain-platform-in-existence ''I am able to leave my job, which I am already in the process of doing. This will give me more time to work on NEM and also to push the development of the NEM ecosystem forward''

He has been handling the socks list, where will he get the money from to live now? This makes me think somehow where the Socks NEM Stake will go. These are just my thoughts and opinions.


Dannac answered to this

dannac page 1010

We have been talking about Makoto for 10 pages , and he didn't even show up. Typical of his attitude.
He's busy. Yeah is busy...
 To count his NEMs probably Grin


In the future The judge will investigate where and why innocent people were not given their stakes when they claimed for it before/ during/after the redemption process, we brought our cases in front of management many times.

I urge everyone to stop complaining  and asking for their stakes as its fruitless but to print out this post and keep it safe to bring in from of their respective Judge/Law court because there Justice exist where You will be able to show all the evidence.

I will not write anything else and dannac I ask you to do the same, you are wasting your time here but not in a place called Law Court if  NEM is worth millions and we can make a case to take it to the tribunals.


Best regards