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Author Topic: ANTMINER S3+ Discussion and Support Thread  (Read 710773 times)
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August 12, 2014, 12:43:37 AM
Last edit: August 12, 2014, 01:18:21 AM by Fahlcor
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Woot

http://www.coinwarz.com/network-hashrate-charts/bitcoin-network-hashrate-chart

according to that the network hash rate just passed ~214 phash.  Can we say another lost day of mining before difficulty occurs...

I feel worse for those with ants in limbo or on pre-order.

/sarcasm for wooting...

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August 12, 2014, 01:26:37 AM
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Anyone want to post on here their Antminer s3 setup? I want to replicate some sort of rack.
Thanks.
Anyone want to learn how to user search feature? You really should experiment with it. I shudder to think what will happen when your units arrive:




Here's a thread with lots of pictures for you, courtesy of my use of the search feature.
https://asktom.cf/index.php?topic=7216.6020
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August 12, 2014, 01:51:20 AM
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Do any of you here know why the queue on the config is set so high? Is there a big gain from setting it to a lower number or why did they program 4096 as the queue. The discarded amounts are so high...

If you want, you can change the queue in /etc/init.d/cgminer

I use 32 and it seems to be a good compromise.  Some people use 1, others have kept 4096 - doesn't seem to have a huge effect, but can save you some CPU cycles if you make it lower.

Okay thanks, I will search. Does the 4096 and large amount of discarded not affect the overall hashrate and work submitted? Also, is 32 equivalent to 32shares or a share in that size?  I ask because I did not know if 4096 was 4096 shares or a share/shares added for a vardiff of 4096

I'm with y'all regarding Bitmain's pricing.  However, as long as there are hardware geeks out there who are willing to pay at any price regardless of ROI just so they can have their shiny toys to play with, Bitmain has no incentive to modify their pricing model to benefit the consumer.  We can biatch all we can in here and rationalize it in a futile attempt to sway Bitmain to our cause but unfortunately, we are a minority.  Them hardware geeks are buying the S3s like hotcakes regardless.  Remember, Bitmain is not in business for nothing; they are definitely not an NPO.  Now, if we could only convince these hardware geeks around the world...nah, greed and bragging rights rule.



The problem are not really the hardware geeks that purchase at no ROI, since eventually they would stop buying they are a finite number with finite money, the real problem is that Bitmain mines themselves so there is not a big motivation for them to make us ROI, as of now with free electricity it takes 92 days to ROI using a 10% difficulty increase which is very realistic.

I seen those geeks you talk about only a month or 2 ago, an S1 was sold for $3000 on ebay at absolutely no ROI.

There is a complete lack of competition in the hardware asic for Bitcoin.
I was hoping that with the difficulty increase the price for batch 7 would be lower, and instead it is higher since the beginning of batch 5 it was 0.64, and now it is 0.66 with a higher difficulty.

It seems that Bitmain's formula is to make us ROI under free electricity in 90 days, which is not very good, since depending how much you pay for electricity you could ROI in 6 months or never.

And the problem with spondoolies with the sp30 is that it is being sold on preorders with a month and a half in advance, Bitmain is only an 8 day preorder, so as far as preorders go Bitmain wins.

Eventually the market is going to saturate, and if the sp30 starts selling from stock which I think it might once sales slow down and sales are slowing down, and taking into consideration that spondoolies does not mine (someone correct me if I am wrong, since almost every hardware vendor mines for themselves), this could force a little bit of competition and force the s3 prices to go down or viewing things from a different point of view it could force the sp30 prices to go down.

The S3 is a very good product, but at the wrong price, since it does not ROI for most of us or barely ROI.
I would make a rough estimate that the cost of the S3 for Bitmain is probably $100, maybe a little more, so for each S3 sold there is currently a $280 profit, while if we break even we are lucky, we could maybe with luck in our favor make $50, the balance is all to one side, that is not good for us.
if the S3 where to be priced at $250 each, even at $280 it still be a fair price,  at the time of this writing, Bitmain and us would be making about equal profit which is fair and it would increase their sales tremendously, but Bitmain lacks the motivation to do that simply because the mine themselves.

An indication that sales are beginning to slow down is that batch 6 did not sold out, and spondoolies September batch also has not sold out.

I myself will need a lot of miners, since I am building a small data center, however my data center it is not ready and will not be ready for a few months, and when I buy I will aim if possible to ROI at most in 2 months, anything about that and it is very high risk.

Ironically the S3 was a better purchase when it was first released since lower price and lower difficulty, implied quicker ROI, the last good batch for some ROI was the beginning of batch 5.

Bitmain should consider that we ROI, as of now the S3 is the best one for the money but the lack of ROI ruins everything and that is a decision Bitmain has taken, but they take the risk that someone else delivers, that someone else now does not exist, but sooner than later it could exist, on the other hand Bitmain could realize the splitting the profits is actually something fair, lets see what happens, I for now will be monitoring prices for potencial ROI, but at current prices I am not buying, I am happy I was able to get 4 S3 when both difficulty and price where lower.

Bitmain was better, I am not sure whats happening, they used to sell from stock and every few days they would lower the price to compensate for the increased difficulty, hopefully they did not find a map from Sam where he shows them the path, at the last days of the S1 it was selling for $180 dollars ( in btc), and I am sure the S3 only costs a little bit more to produce that the S1.

KNC was good in 2013, and now they are terrible.
BFL was never good.
Avalon was only good in the first 2 batches, and then collapsed.
Spondoolies Huh?



 





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August 12, 2014, 02:40:06 AM
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Hi BITMAIN.

As you're an official representative of bitmain, may I ask you to please provide the source code for your modifications to cgminer in the form of the driver for the S3. cgminer is provided under the GPL version 3 license which means you are obliged by law to provide the source code to any modifications you do if you distribute binaries and you are distributing modified cgminer binaries with every S3.

Provision of the source code would allow us to aid the development of your driver and help bring your version to sync up with the latest cgminer to derive the benefits of newer versions along with its many fixes.

Really hope you get a reply this time...

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August 12, 2014, 02:43:19 AM
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Bitmain was better, I am not sure whats happening, they used to sell from stock and every few days they would lower the price to compensate for the increased difficulty, hopefully they did not find a map from Sam where he shows them the path, at the last days of the S1 it was selling for $180 dollars ( in btc), and I am sure the S3 only costs a little bit more to produce that the S1.

KNC was good in 2013, and now they are terrible.
BFL was never good.
Avalon was only good in the first 2 batches, and then collapsed.
Spondoolies Huh?



I chat all day on a lot of trollboxes/forums.  You said it perfectly, I am not sure whats happening.

When people would ask if there was any way to have a chance at making money I would automatically say bitmain and rattle off your reasons above.  ( taking each individuals location and electric costs into consideration ).   Now I say Bitmain is the best, but buying an s3 now at .66 you are mining in most cases just to have a chance at not loosing a lot.  Forget ANY possible chance at ROI.

This next difficulty change is, atm, a game changer for anyone purchasing today at current .66 price.  ( free electricity?  Well then go for it. )

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August 12, 2014, 02:51:30 AM
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Bitmain was better, I am not sure whats happening, they used to sell from stock and every few days they would lower the price to compensate for the increased difficulty, hopefully they did not find a map from Sam where he shows them the path, at the last days of the S1 it was selling for $180 dollars ( in btc), and I am sure the S3 only costs a little bit more to produce that the S1.

KNC was good in 2013, and now they are terrible.
BFL was never good.
Avalon was only good in the first 2 batches, and then collapsed.
Spondoolies Huh?



I chat all day on a lot of trollboxes/forums.  You said it perfectly, I am not sure whats happening.

When people would ask if there was any way to have a chance at making money I would automatically say bitmain and rattle off your reasons above.  ( taking each individuals location and electric costs into consideration ).   Now I say Bitmain is the best, but buying an s3 now at .66 you are mining in most cases just to have a chance at not loosing a lot.  Forget ANY possible chance at ROI.

This next difficulty change is, atm, a game changer for anyone purchasing today at current .66 price.  ( free electricity?  Well then go for it. )


A 40% diff increase is not out of the question...
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August 12, 2014, 02:52:45 AM
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By the time I get my antminers from the U.S I'll never ROI!
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August 12, 2014, 02:57:10 AM
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By the time I get my antminers from the U.S I'll never ROI!

Not even close...
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August 12, 2014, 02:59:43 AM
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By the time I get my antminers from the U.S I'll never ROI!
Yes you will have ROI...every investment has ROI....question is will it be negative, net or positive. I assume that everyone saying just ROI ...ROI ...ROI is implying a positive ROI.  Grin
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August 12, 2014, 03:01:08 AM
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Well its going to take 2 weeks for anything can get to me..
I do have free electricity though.
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August 12, 2014, 03:04:47 AM
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Hi BITMAIN.

As you're an official representative of bitmain, may I ask you to please provide the source code for your modifications to cgminer in the form of the driver for the S3. cgminer is provided under the GPL version 3 license which means you are obliged by law to provide the source code to any modifications you do if you distribute binaries and you are distributing modified cgminer binaries with every S3.

Provision of the source code would allow us to aid the development of your driver and help bring your version to sync up with the latest cgminer to derive the benefits of newer versions along with its many fixes.

Really hope you get a reply this time...

Well the GPL is a license that has to be respected in the benefit of all of us, that includes Bitmain, since it is thanks to the GPL that Bitmain can use the software just like all of us. The GPL is a very well designed license, it was created by Richard Stallman from the GNU foundation, Richard in the early 80's could visualize stuff we were completely blind at the time, my full respect for Richard Stallman this is a person we should all listen to.

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August 12, 2014, 03:05:22 AM
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Bitmain was better, I am not sure whats happening, they used to sell from stock and every few days they would lower the price to compensate for the increased difficulty, hopefully they did not find a map from Sam where he shows them the path, at the last days of the S1 it was selling for $180 dollars ( in btc), and I am sure the S3 only costs a little bit more to produce that the S1.

KNC was good in 2013, and now they are terrible.
BFL was never good.
Avalon was only good in the first 2 batches, and then collapsed.
Spondoolies Huh?



I chat all day on a lot of trollboxes/forums.  You said it perfectly, I am not sure whats happening.

When people would ask if there was any way to have a chance at making money I would automatically say bitmain and rattle off your reasons above.  ( taking each individuals location and electric costs into consideration ).   Now I say Bitmain is the best, but buying an s3 now at .66 you are mining in most cases just to have a chance at not loosing a lot.  Forget ANY possible chance at ROI.

This next difficulty change is, atm, a game changer for anyone purchasing today at current .66 price.  ( free electricity?  Well then go for it. )


A 40% diff increase is not out of the question...

Given the depth of commercial mines today, a 40% increase in one adjustment is highly improbable.  
I am guessing the past few mild increases have more to do with hobbyists turning off their miners and no new mega deployments coming online.  But it's nearly impossible to predict with any certainty what is happening as the total size of the network is now so big.  It's all guesswork.
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August 12, 2014, 03:15:57 AM
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August 12, 2014, 03:17:16 AM
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Well its going to take 2 weeks for anything can get to me..
I do have free electricity though.

So..I'm really kind of tired of everyone trying to be politically correct. This JennaK person (male or female) has been disruptive of this thread and other forum threads for a month or more at this point.  He/She has serious negative trust.  He/She repeatedly asks the same inane questions multiple times on multiple threads. What more, exactly, does he/she need to do to get banned by a moderator?
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August 12, 2014, 03:44:44 AM
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Bitmain was better, I am not sure whats happening, they used to sell from stock and every few days they would lower the price to compensate for the increased difficulty, hopefully they did not find a map from Sam where he shows them the path, at the last days of the S1 it was selling for $180 dollars ( in btc), and I am sure the S3 only costs a little bit more to produce that the S1.

KNC was good in 2013, and now they are terrible.
BFL was never good.
Avalon was only good in the first 2 batches, and then collapsed.
Spondoolies Huh?



I chat all day on a lot of trollboxes/forums.  You said it perfectly, I am not sure whats happening.

When people would ask if there was any way to have a chance at making money I would automatically say bitmain and rattle off your reasons above.  ( taking each individuals location and electric costs into consideration ).   Now I say Bitmain is the best, but buying an s3 now at .66 you are mining in most cases just to have a chance at not loosing a lot.  Forget ANY possible chance at ROI.

This next difficulty change is, atm, a game changer for anyone purchasing today at current .66 price.  ( free electricity?  Well then go for it. )


A 40% diff increase is not out of the question...

Given the depth of commercial mines today, a 40% increase in one adjustment is highly improbable.  
I am guessing the past few mild increases have more to do with hobbyists turning off their miners and no new mega deployments coming online.  But it's nearly impossible to predict with any certainty what is happening as the total size of the network is now so big.  It's all guesswork.

but swimmer63  that is Christ {or is it just jpchrist}  talking  he should know all.  If he say 40% we will be lucky if it is not 42 or 45%!

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August 12, 2014, 03:57:02 AM
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Our next increase is already looking like it will be about 23+ %.

To be decided...
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August 12, 2014, 05:17:34 AM
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Abandon Ship   Roll Eyes

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August 12, 2014, 05:45:10 AM
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can someone shed some light on one of my S3s?

The chips are all ok, no errors reported (as in "x" or "-") and what happens, when I power off the S3 it starts hashing at 450gh/s but veeery slowly over 18-24 hours drops down to 405gh/s average (thats using stats from the miner itself). Why is this happening ? Powering it off and restarting is bit of a pain as the only way to do it is to pull the cables manually out in order not to shut down other miners.

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August 12, 2014, 06:02:17 AM
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Did you make sure the heatsinks were tight? Sounds like heat issue.

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