Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com

[mo_mo]

So i see allot of people here are on eligius pool I tried it over night and seemed to be less then i was making on btcquild.  However i know i really have to give it more time to see real results.  But im curious if there is anyone that has spend allot of time on both of them and what kind of findings did they find?   I really like the layout of btcguild my self.  But if i can make more BTC else where being eligius or somewhere else i give up the nice interface,  seems i have only made around .7 of a bitcoing the last 24 hours on btcquild with a Jupiter witch im thinking i could be making more eles where.   what are others making a day and where at?

i am on BTCG and made less than a BTC in the last 24hrs, i put it down to luck and me fiddling about reflashing and trying to see my realtime stats.

How many workers do you have?

[DigginDeep]

My experience on my "bad" Jupiter with 0.95 to 0.97
An increase in WU from 6990 to 76xx +
An increase in HW errors up to 36%, which remained that high after >12 hours
A reduction in pool performance at 385-400GH/s despite 2 reboots, changing worker number

Reverting back to 0.95 shows now 40-80 dead cores on BertMod (despite enable cores)
WU back to 69xx
HW error ratio down to 18% after only a few mins
Pool performance 455 Gh/s and rising, despite the 10% lower WU

I actually had pretty high error rates my self when i first tried .97   so then i downgraded to .95 restarted and then enable cores and restarted and then upgraded to .97  and still had bad errors.  so i went back to .96  since i was at work and was uploading firmware from my phone  and decided to wait tell i got home.  And i tried it again,  I downgraded down to .95 then  restarted and ran enable cores again.  And this time i did not restart after enable cores  and then upgraded back up to .97  and this time  its been running for over an hour.  551 Gh/s and errors at 8.1 right now and seem to be slowly going down.   BTCguild shows it 1t 538

[timmmers]

So i see allot of people here are on eligius pool I tried it over night and seemed to be less then i was making on btcquild.  However i know i really have to give it more time to see real results.  But im curious if there is anyone that has spend allot of time on both of them and what kind of findings did they find?   I really like the layout of btcguild my self.  But if i can make more BTC else where being eligius or somewhere else i give up the nice interface,  seems i have only made around .7 of a bitcoing the last 24 hours on btcquild with a Jupiter witch im thinking i could be making more eles where.   what are others making a day and where at?

My merc (ave 136) did .31 in the last 24 hours at slush. Looks like you're better than double that so you're better off there depending on how fast your rig hashes.

[opentoe]

im highly considering asking for a refund.

I've already got my November-Jupiter refunded.
Still sitting out on the hosted 39xx Saturn (will give them one more week or so before asking for a refund), though people after me in the queue started receiving their miners. My hope is that Saturn can be later upgraded to gen2 Jupiter (sometime close to the end of the 6-month hosting period) and shipped to me.

Upgrading a Saturn to a Jupiter you'll be in the same boat you are now. Just trying to play catch up. There's really no sense is buying anything that has hashing power less them 1Th/s these days. You know they are going to charge you for those modules just enough to mine enough to make some bitcoin to break even at a %50/%50 chance. Why do you think all the mining manufacturing companies are just selling these and not mining themselves? Because you can't make any money in mining anymore.

[nightengale]

Our vendor has told us that the substrates — one of the final components in completing the chip module  — are going to take a more time than expected.  The good news is that the silicon, arguably the more complicated part of the design, is right on track.  Once the substrates arrive, we can place the silicon and finish production. Our updated estimate is that the rigs will begin shipping in mid-November.

Found the source of info on HF running late -- once all KnC units are hashing, hopefully this delay will give us a little breathing room for ROI. And hopefully "mid-November" is an overly optimistic estimate to placate their customers...

[Phoenix1969]

Our vendor has told us that the substrates — one of the final components in completing the chip module  — are going to take a more time than expected.  The good news is that the silicon, arguably the more complicated part of the design, is right on track.  Once the substrates arrive, we can place the silicon and finish production. Our updated estimate is that the rigs will begin shipping in mid-November.

Found the source of info on HF running late -- once all KnC units are hashing, hopefully this delay will give us a little breathing room for ROI. And hopefully "mid-November" is an overly optimistic estimate to placate their customers...

You are the Man
That's awesome

[timmmers]

im highly considering asking for a refund.

 Why do you think all the mining manufacturing companies are just selling these and not mining themselves? Because you can't make any money in mining anymore.

They are mining. KNC said they would from the start. They need us to fund them with pre-orders or they couldn't afford to build them at all.
Give me a Jupiter now at the cost price to KNC and I'd be a very happy boy and making plenty...they ain't paying anything like what we do and will be able to make their "costs" back easily...I say "costs" because we probably already paid for their rigs so all it's costing is electricity and maybe hosting is paying that too looking at the mad pricing of it.

One day a company will grab enough finding from round one of pre-orders and sales to not need us anymore. They will make more from mining than sales. If a 7k rig wil break even now just about...and you can have that same rig for a fraction of the price, why would you sell it and let someone else take that profit? They won't one day if they don't need funding anymore.

[timmmers]

As someone who had a shoddy boxed unit full of rainwater arrive I've been quite pleased with the Jupiter...it runs on .95 at 555 gh and the highest core temp I have is
40c one is 28c the other 2 32c each....

so to say the least I've not upgraded ANYTHING but take the top off and have 2 small walmart fans pointing at the naked miner..that's it...been too scared I'd muck it up...to even think about anything else at least till I saw .97 as the recommended update

anyway if I do go with the new .97 upgrade this weekend when I have time to panic if it goes wrong....how hard is it to backtrack...say to .95 or 96? not that big a deal or what?

if it is painless going backwards as well as forward I'll take the chance

awaiting better minds then myself to weigh in on this


I'm also on slush an my ave hash there of long term is about 525gh even....

i'm not at work so I don't have hw nor wu rates available I think my error rate last I looked was 5 percent

anyway whatcha think

hey I appreciate the help ..I still think this so called out of control ahem "hobby" would be better run as co-op with some guys over beers...its lonely out in the sticks when you bump the table and your miner goes off and you scream like an 8yr old girl in terror!!! (luckily re-boot pops it right back up on restart)....such things are better shared while telling bfl horror stories over a campfire and a beer imho

anyway thanks for the advice you guys are pretty much the only source in town

Searing

I'm happy with the update, I thought about messing with a well running rig I hadn't touched, then I thought "Well it looks like I'd have roughly a Jalapeno extra hashpower on this merc, and I'd not leave a Jala sitting idle would I? Also, as I had mine delivered running .96 all I'd have to do if it went tits up was a factory reset...so easy enough to go back assuming that means back to what it was delivered running.

[Rawbit]

reboot...same
coldstart...
same
enablecores & coldstart.. 2 of 3 are back to old numbers..., 1 is 20gh/s slower than it was
guess time will tell...uuugghhf

enablecores & coldstart - did the trick for me too - thx!

[bobsmoke]

just wake up this morning and notice that my hosting miner has been offline since 22.40 GMT...it means 0 hashing.
In the KNC pool site, the miner says offline ... already sent an email to customer support...lets see.

Did anyone experience anything similar on the hosting?

[Searing]

As someone who had a shoddy boxed unit full of rainwater arrive I've been quite pleased with the Jupiter...it runs on .95 at 555 gh and the highest core temp I have is
40c one is 28c the other 2 32c each....

so to say the least I've not upgraded ANYTHING but take the top off and have 2 small walmart fans pointing at the naked miner..that's it...been too scared I'd muck it up...to even think about anything else at least till I saw .97 as the recommended update

anyway if I do go with the new .97 upgrade this weekend when I have time to panic if it goes wrong....how hard is it to backtrack...say to .95 or 96? not that big a deal or what?

if it is painless going backwards as well as forward I'll take the chance

awaiting better minds then myself to weigh in on this


I'm also on slush an my ave hash there of long term is about 525gh even....

i'm not at work so I don't have hw nor wu rates available I think my error rate last I looked was 5 percent

anyway whatcha think

hey I appreciate the help ..I still think this so called out of control ahem "hobby" would be better run as co-op with some guys over beers...its lonely out in the sticks when you bump the table and your miner goes off and you scream like an 8yr old girl in terror!!! (luckily re-boot pops it right back up on restart)....such things are better shared while telling bfl horror stories over a campfire and a beer imho

anyway thanks for the advice you guys are pretty much the only source in town

Searing

I'm happy with the update, I thought about messing with a well running rig I hadn't touched, then I thought "Well it looks like I'd have roughly a Jalapeno extra hashpower on this merc, and I'd not leave a Jala sitting idle would I? Also, as I had mine delivered running .96 all I'd have to do if it went tits up was a factory reset...so easy enough to go back assuming that means back to what it was delivered running.

ok that makes sense the hard 5 push reset trick and it would go back to .95...I can probably deal with that ...so i'll guess i'll give it a try this weekend when i'm off work

thanks for the help to those of us on here that at least up till this .97 version have had no inclination to upgrade..but then again they recommend the upgrade to I suppose I should just give it a shot to .97

thanks for the info
Searing

[btcusr]

Anyone noticed, this thread crossed half a million posts mark?!

[Rawbit]

i just flashed enablecores onto my .97 jup and so far i cant get back into knc GUI. During the flash i saw All Cores Enabled.

ive cleared the cache and tried to connect via FF, IE & Chrome - none allow me past the login screen..

puTTY shows the rig is running, BTCG shows it is hashing albeit 100GH slower than it was but i expect it will ramp up.

still, would like to get back into the GUI without having to unplug my ether cable to get in direct...

Clear You browsing history - or start "Private browsing" if using Firefox.

[edgar]

As someone who had a shoddy boxed unit full of rainwater arrive I've been quite pleased with the Jupiter...it runs on .95 at 555 gh and the highest core temp I have is
40c one is 28c the other 2 32c each....

so to say the least I've not upgraded ANYTHING but take the top off and have 2 small walmart fans pointing at the naked miner..that's it...been too scared I'd muck it up...to even think about anything else at least till I saw .97 as the recommended update

anyway if I do go with the new .97 upgrade this weekend when I have time to panic if it goes wrong....how hard is it to backtrack...say to .95 or 96? not that big a deal or what?

if it is painless going backwards as well as forward I'll take the chance

awaiting better minds then myself to weigh in on this


I'm also on slush an my ave hash there of long term is about 525gh even....

i'm not at work so I don't have hw nor wu rates available I think my error rate last I looked was 5 percent

anyway whatcha think

hey I appreciate the help ..I still think this so called out of control ahem "hobby" would be better run as co-op with some guys over beers...its lonely out in the sticks when you bump the table and your miner goes off and you scream like an 8yr old girl in terror!!! (luckily re-boot pops it right back up on restart)....such things are better shared while telling bfl horror stories over a campfire and a beer imho

anyway thanks for the advice you guys are pretty much the only source in town

Searing

If you are happy with its performance at .95 i would suggest you leave it as is - i was happy but wanted more and regret fkn with it now.



Also, try to think what you want to say and post it in 1 msg, if you need to add more use the edit button - multiple posts again & again gets quite annoying and i personally begin ignoring them..

@rawbit - did all that no joy - flashed back to .97 and everything is back to normal so far...

PuTTy & KnC Gui both show my avg as 539 but BTCG varies constantly from 480 - 569. Not sure why, perhaps the flushing still?

[PilotCurly99]

Anyone seen an issue with a Jupiter that is hashing at half speed?  Appears by temperature, that two of the cores are not running at all. 
I;ve tried moving cables to different slots, hard resets, and different versions of firmware.  Every time, half the speed and only two cores show an increase in temperature.

Any ideas?  Just got it today and very disappointed.  My first one works perfectly, so this is very surprising.

[bobsag3]

Also have a strange unit.... Worked fine for ~8 hours, then started randomly shutting off.
Tried different PSU's, ethernet cables, internal connections checked, firmware from .95 to .97 and back, nothing. Unit just hashes away @ ~500ghash with 1 ASIC being much hotter than the others. Finally I tried unplugged that ASIC and boom- rock solid stable and hashing away at 410ghash. Do I have a dead asic or is this something I can resurrect?

[FoolPartedWithMoney]

Anyone willing to run their unit with chip fans removed along with me? 'Cause it's a bit nerve-racking, and it will make me feel a bit easier.

[trepex]

So it's official that 2 Saturns > 1 Jupiter (not by much, but still).

From a logic point of view: Of course!
Assuming that the ASICs perform at the same speed for both models under the same environment.

BUT
- 2x Saturn have better cooling (you can fix this with manually adding extra cooling/fans)
- The flushwork and maybe some other CPU/FPGA actions rely on the BBB speed. For a Jupiter the BBB has twice the
   amount of work to do.

On the other side:
- A Jupiter is more power efficient.
- A Jupiter had been cheaper than 2x Saturn

[Puppet]

From a logic point of view: Of course!
Assuming that the ASICs perform at the same speed for both models under the same environment.

BUT
- 2x Saturn have better cooling (you can fix this with manually adding extra cooling/fans)
- The flushwork and maybe some other CPU/FPGA actions rely on the BBB speed. For a Jupiter the BBB has twice the
   amount of work to do.

It really shouldnt have to. A BeagleBone is considerably more powerful than a raspberry pi and I would be surprised if it struggled running 4 or many more modules. If its true the bottleneck is there, it has got to be fixable with a less crappy firmware. And if it really is too slow, it would make sense to just buy a second BBB or Pi, you'd get better performance per $.

Likewise for cooling, if the bottleneck is there, then KnC shipped too slow or not enough fans. A pair of exhaust fans costs like $2, why wouldnt they include that for jupiters then? You are paying what, $10 per GH? If more fans would add just 1% more hashrate, its a massive win.

[ElGabo]

I've screwed up 0.97. Hashrate down from 550 to 410. HW from 3,5 to 10%.

It was runing for 12 hours. Now back to 0.96.