Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com

[Phoenix1969]

What I tried to underline is that:
a) I have no idea what caused my Saturns problems, my Jupiter running on the same line and same PSU type was not affected
b) The Saturns came with all boards affected by die #0 issue, (same as my Jupiter), they are running with die #0 off on 0.98
c) Both Saturns ran pretty well on 0.98.1 beta, one of them easily powering all dies, the other required more heat and was really hard to keep all dies powered on
d) Once 0.99 was released, i switched all my machines to it and for a day or two, they were running the same as on 0.98.1 beta
e) All of a sudden, both Saturns became affected with disabled cores, but in a different way: one of them simply has all cores disabled at startup (and keeps them like that) on 0.98.1 beta or official and 0.99. The other one starts normally, but after a while almost all cores on the same ASIC (coincidence?), the lower one on the web interface, gets disabled, only 0-5 cores remaining enabled on each die. Again, disabled cores are present on just one ASIC, the upper one in the web interface page.
This started at a day or 2 after 0.99 and the problem remained even after hard reset and affecting 0.98.1 as well, beta or official.
f) Both Saturns run normally (with their die #0 issue) on 0.98

My guess was that 0.99 FW somehow caused this issue, but it just persists now on 0.98.1 as well.

Hmm, that is indeed strange, and I had a similar incident...  which is why I stay on the beta.... I had to reboot/reflash one of the machines a few times...
I 'm clueless on the actual problem, but as I stated yesterday, that very same machine/hashing board was fixed in a "desperation move" that I can't recommend...
It hasn't acted up in over 12 hours now so far.... (The tower grab incident)
but...
one of the other main techniques I employ, is keeping the temps to a specific "Sweetspot" which also seems to help stability, and help avoid the"Dwindledown"(also linked to mem issue)The "Spot" is also  in a tight 5 degree range. Moreover, a board with troubles is likely to stay fully operational for longer periods, with a lower error rate.
I probably shouldn't mention this, but I've moved my target temps even higher on every board, which is how I achieved a full 12v & 50amp on almost every vrm, on every single board, which I agree...doesn't really make sense, but it is what it is...  discovered it fiddling with the Die0, or bad/unop vrm, whichever you deem it. The board with the "Dead vrm" became the best one when I accidentally reached 80C a certain temp on that board. I thought that it may be specific to that board, but decided to try to duplicate it on the other boards, on that machine, to see if the behaved the same way....they did....so I did them all. And before Edgar someone starts screaming I'm giving "Bad advice", stop right there... I'm NOT giving advice here. I'm simply telling you what I'm doing, and what the results are.

I wonder if There's a way I could get ahold of some of the "Bad" boards... RMA'd ones.... to try this on....  but I doubt it...they probably repair them...lol

[jxz]

A question for those with November orders.   When I log in to the knc site, on my common information tab, it shows my customer group as "Upgrade Modules".   Is this how it reads for everything or is something on my account screwed up?

Edit to add: My order still is listed as paid status, I'm in the 106XX range.

[KGBSlim]

A question for those with November orders.   When I log in to the knc site, on my common information tab, it shows my customer group as "Upgrade Modules".   Is this how it reads for everything or is something on my account screwed up?

Edit to add: My order still is listed as paid status, I'm in the 106XX range.

Mine says the same and its order 102xx

[lemonte]

A question for those with November orders.   When I log in to the knc site, on my common information tab, it shows my customer group as "Upgrade Modules".   Is this how it reads for everything or is something on my account screwed up?

Edit to add: My order still is listed as paid status, I'm in the 106XX range.

Mine says the same and its order 102xx

Mine says the same.

[Biffa]

COOL, I just noticed they only mention a single model...."Neptune"
This will solve many of the issues selling smaller machines... and make Customer service a breeze!! I really hope that's what it means!...

Heh, I hope Neptune "IS" the smaller model

[Phoenix1969]

COOL, I just noticed they only mention a single model...."Neptune"
This will solve many of the issues selling smaller machines... and make Customer service a breeze!! I really hope that's what it means!...

Heh, I hope Neptune "IS" the smaller model

Not a bad idea really......!  
one easy size & model to deal with.....

[fragout]

O'rama, be nice: can you give us a hint of hashrate? What kind of ASIC will it be?

There will be more info tomo. Figures have been mentioned, but I'm not going to steal anyone else's thunder. They're working hard for this, 20nm is just being released for commercial use, and we'll be one of the first companies in the world to half-step down to this process node. The figures have to make sense, Alchip flew here Friday week before last, and we are proceeding with the design.

define commercial use ?

[Biffa]

A question for those with November orders.   When I log in to the knc site, on my common information tab, it shows my customer group as "Upgrade Modules".   Is this how it reads for everything or is something on my account screwed up?

Edit to add: My order still is listed as paid status, I'm in the 106XX range.

Mine says the same and its order 102xx

Mine says the same.

102xx and "Upgrade modules" I think they changed us to that group just before they had the flashmob sale of upgrade modules.

btw, I don't think I said it at the time, but just for those of you that missed out on the upgrade modules, I think they should have been limited to only Saturn and Mercury buyers, even though I didn't have either model.

[Micky25]

btw, I don't think I said it at the time, but just for those of you that missed out on the upgrade modules, I think they should have been limited to only Saturn and Mercury buyers, even though I didn't have either model.

+1 on all points

[Gator-hex]

No details. Coming Soon^TM

Wow!  20nm AND early 2014!

That MUST be the "incoming news" announcement from 'orama.

Bingo!

Great news, 20nm!
Bad news 'Orders opening soon'!


Bitcoinorama, in hope I get not ignored I'd like to ask the following:

1) Why is the pre-order game continuing ?
     Didn't they collect enough money to fund the next gen ?!

2) Do you have to pay the full price when opening the order books or is it like pay 10-20% up front and then the rest when it's close to shipping...?

3) How much will they approximately cost ? Would be very nice to get a clue before you actually have to pay..

4) ANY advantage for the early investors who took a high risk and making KnCMiner's success possible in first place ?

5) Will there be another batch of upgrade boards for October gen ?

Thank you very much in advance for your answers!


**For those who want to pay in BTC, be aware here's a guy offering you a 60% return of your coins without additional costs for electricity, tranquilizers, waiting, or else...might be the better choice  

DONT GET TOO EXCITED!

I don't think it will be a true 20nm ASIC, looking at how their 28nm compares to 55nm BitFury in speed/efficiency, I think they are using FPGA to ASIC HardCopying http://www.altera.co.uk/devices/asic/hardcopy-asics/hardcopy-v/hcv-index.jsp

Even if they bring out a 20nm it's doubtful it will be anymore efficient than a true 28nm ASIC so they're no further along than the competition.

[Mota]

O'rama, be nice: can you give us a hint of hashrate? What kind of ASIC will it be?

There will be more info tomo. Figures have been mentioned, but I'm not going to steal anyone else's thunder. They're working hard for this, 20nm is just being released for commercial use, and we'll be one of the first companies in the world to half-step down to this process node. The figures have to make sense, Alchip flew here Friday week before last, and we are proceeding with the design.

define commercial use ?

Commercial use means they will stand by their illegal ToS and will try not to be held responsible for warranty issues and losses incurred by delayed production. Same old same old.
And again with the preorder bullshit because if they let you make a normal order they have to deliver in time. All risks to the customers as well as the funding. That's the way to build lasting business relationships!

[vesperwillow]

I don't think it will be a true 20nm ASIC, looking at how their 28nm compares to 55nm BitFury in speed/efficiency, I think they are using FPGA to ASIC HardCopying http://www.altera.co.uk/devices/asic/hardcopy-asics/hardcopy-v/hcv-index.jsp

Even if they bring out a 20nm it's doubtful it will be anymore efficient than a true 28nm ASIC so they're no further along than the competition.

This is part of the reason I was a bit shocked with the claim, and the reason I pointed to commercial GPU's and other high-end products which favor 28 lately.

My 2 concerns with this would be the issues faced with 20nm tapeout, and firmware. The mercury's I've seen seem to have no issues whatsoever, but some Saturns and most Jupiters do, so it makes me wonder if they'll be able to stabilize the next generation before shipping.

[Micky25]

great news they keep pace. The clock is ticking...

[FUKT]

O'rama, be nice: can you give us a hint of hashrate? What kind of ASIC will it be?

There will be more info tomo. Figures have been mentioned, but I'm not going to steal anyone else's thunder. They're working hard for this, 20nm is just being released for commercial use, and we'll be one of the first companies in the world to half-step down to this process node. The figures have to make sense, Alchip flew here Friday week before last, and we are proceeding with the design.

?
How late should I expect delivery of these products

[Crypto_Cumbrian]

Hello Jupiter Owners. (also other miners may pitch in as well)

Anyone got a Temperature reader/gun.

Any chance you could measure the Temperature of the PCI cables, seen another post for a Bitfury thingy where a PCI cable burnt out.

I have Just Measured mine, running at 28c, 30c , 35c , 40c. Measured where it connects to the Jupiter PCI-e extension cable.

Ambient Temp for the Room is 26c.

Cheers

C_C  

[jxz]

A question for those with November orders.   When I log in to the knc site, on my common information tab, it shows my customer group as "Upgrade Modules".   Is this how it reads for everything or is something on my account screwed up?

Edit to add: My order still is listed as paid status, I'm in the 106XX range.

Mine says the same and its order 102xx

Mine says the same.

102xx and "Upgrade modules" I think they changed us to that group just before they had the flashmob sale of upgrade modules.

btw, I don't think I said it at the time, but just for those of you that missed out on the upgrade modules, I think they should have been limited to only Saturn and Mercury buyers, even though I didn't have either model.

Thanks all for the confirmaion.

[Phoenix1969]

O'rama, be nice: can you give us a hint of hashrate? What kind of ASIC will it be?

There will be more info tomo. Figures have been mentioned, but I'm not going to steal anyone else's thunder. They're working hard for this, 20nm is just being released for commercial use, and we'll be one of the first companies in the world to half-step down to this process node. The figures have to make sense, Alchip flew here Friday week before last, and we are proceeding with the design.

?
How late should I expect delivery of these products

Good question...  "Early 2014" is kinda what we already knew... and pretty vague...
but I do especially like "Orders opening Soon"....oyeah!...

[soy]

The power line could be the problem indeed. As for PSU I'm using 2 X Enermax Maxrevo 1500W (gold), one powering the Jupiter, the other powering the 2 saturns. They have 4 12V rails available for PCI-e and I simply use one rail for each module.
My Jupiter runs just fine on 0.98.1 beta and it ran fine on 0.99 since release until today, when I found it running with all die #0 offline so i switched back to 0.98.1 beta. Just the 2 Saturns seems to have been affected. They still run "ok" with only die #0 offline on 0.98.
By the way, both PSU's are getting power from the same line.

By 4 rails for the PCI-E do you mean that not only are the individual 12v lines separate but that they have independent grounds?  Independent grounding could cause difficulties.

[KGBSlim]

KnC is, and was apparently the only good choice in this market! Im excited about the news but it wont sink in until my Jupiter is up and running. This Thanksgiving I am thankful that it isnt a holiday in Sweden and KnC wont miss out on precious time getting the November orders all out!

[kronut]

My big question would be: is KNC going to offer any kind of discounts for the late October delivery customers, the ones that suffered the big losses? I mean, I personally paid $131200 at current exchange rate for 1Th/s

Learn to hedge.  That is an 'all-in' mentality that will always leave you chasing bets

Perhaps it would of been better to buy one Jupiter and keep the rest in BTC?  But then you probably would of sold that BTC a couple months ago when it doubled and then said more coulda shouldas

I'll be as honest as possible with my reply: I bought my miners first of all hoping to get a profit in BTC (I was terribly wrong, helped a bit by KNC production delays that were affecting the late customers much harder than the ones at the beginning of the queue) and secondly for the thrill of mining Kind of expensive caprice I'd say... I'm currently sitting on a nice amount of BTC that I started buying long ago, back when the exchange rate was abour $10/BTC. I still have NO intention to sell them as I strongly believe BTC is still going to get value.
If there are miners out there willing to take losses in BTC for the sake of $ gains, my offer still stands: send me 100 BTC now and I promise I'll send you back 60 BTC once the value of BTC doubles. No hassle, no electricity cost, no hardware failures!

This is the elephant in the room for us October buyers, if you paid in BTC, you will never see that BTC back or make any amount of profit if your hardware got delivered past October 15th. In fact if you bought BTC with what you paid for your miner, you would be much better off, except everyone seems to ignore this.

I really like mining, but I admit it would have been better to hold or buy that BTC at this point.